Night of the Eagle

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LeeGood evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.

ChrisI'm Chris.

AdamAnd I am Adam.

LeeYes.

AdamYes.

LeeAnd we are here this evening as per Adam's request to cover this fantastic movie. So we are covering Night of the Eagle aka Burn Witch Burn aka in my household which is be crazy.

LeeAll the women in this are mental.

AdamYes.

LeeAnd witches. So

AdamYes.

LeeChris looks like he either doesn't agree or doesn't like the term.

AdamI think I think I think everyone in it is sort of in in one way or another off the scale or shall we say.

Leeso before we get into that Chris have you been watching anything horror related?

ChrisI have so I continued watching Eli Roth's history of horror.

LeeWonderful.

ChrisAnd it's on this episode is called the demons inside. And so as you can imagine it's all about possession. And so the first film they cover was sure you won't be surprised about this either the exorcist.

AdamCan't can't you the one you've got to cover if you're doing that yeah.

ChrisAnd and I didn't remember so in this but Linda Blair is on it and she said that her lower spine was actually broken when she was getting thrashed around in the bed.

AdamYeah.

ChrisWhich again another you know I learned that Candyman got stung by bees 24 times. Like these are serious actors. These aren't messing around.

AdamOh yeah.

ChrisWell not only that but also

AdamIt was more Billy Friedkin weren't fucking messing around.

LeeYeah.

AdamBloody loony.

ChrisYeah. Because I do remember you mentioning about how cold it was and again Linda Blair had to you know she wasn't wearing that much. so yeah you know to be fair I'm sure she wouldn't have chosen quite to be put under that sort of pressure.

AdamBecause actually in the film you can hear her say Billy.

ChrisOh okay. She actually says Billy as in Billy Friedkin when she crashed Yeah when she crashed around on the bed because the like the harness came loose and then yeah they were literally like

LeeWow.

ChrisSo yeah if you did mention that I I missed it but I thought yeah that was

AdamI I think we did but we also I think we also mentioned there was there was a lot in there gunshots and Ellen Burstyn also getting her bloody coccyx split and

LeeYeah.

Adamyou know and a serial murderer involved you know possible serial murderer.

ChrisYeah. And then so so that was great. And then they went on to paranormal activity which I didn't remember anyone mentioning in the past. Have you have you seen that?

Leeit came out on Halloween it it was showing in Leicester Square on Halloween night in 2009. and yeah it had been put forward as being like the most scary movie of all time and you know yes.

LeeAnd it's fine.

ChrisYeah.

LeeYeah.

ChrisWell yeah so so it didn't look like it it looks this is a found footage. Kind of look homemade sort of thing. And so yeah it didn't look like I would find it very very scary really.

ChrisBut Jordan Peele said that he considered it a game changer. And it shows what you can do with a minimalist approach. And you can scare the shit out of people.

ChrisAnd it's mostly pacing and the way you told the story which is interesting you know it's interesting to look at it like that because we've definitely mentioned pacing and how effective that can be.

AdamI I think also it's it's always the strength of your actors when you've got when you're when you're that minimal which is unfortunately where a lot of low budget stuff sort of goes.

ChrisMay not have

AdamBecause they might have the ideas but if they've not got people who can translate it well which again you know you you know you're working on a tiny budget it's probably friends and family or whatever like that.

AdamAnd not everyone's friends are I don't know Bruce Campbell.

ChrisYes

AdamYou know that was a very good segue because the next one they went on to was Evil Dead. It's not the Evil Dead is it?

ChrisIt's

LeeNo I think it's Evil Dead.

AdamIt's just It's Evil Dead.

LeeYes.

AdamBecause I can't remember now but I'm I'm looking at I'll have a look to see if I can find it in the in the book here. But yeah.

ChrisAnd Bruce Campbell was on talking about it which is great. And he said one of their aims was to make a man scream like a girl. That had never been done before it seemed like.

ChrisAnd then it shows a few clips of him and he does pretty good job really of of his screaming.

AdamI'll definitely

LeeJust to clarify it is the Evil Dead from 1981 and the 2013 one is Evil Dead.

AdamThere we go. Because then it's but then it 's Evil Dead too. It's not the Evil Dead too. And it's Ash is it Ash versus is is it Ash versus Evil Dead?

LeeI I think it might be the Evil or saying

AdamI'm not sure again yeah.

AdamSo those definite articles

ChrisThese are important details.

LeeEvil Dead yeah.

AdamSo it's Ash versus Evil Dead yeah. So it sort of becomes Evil Dead as it goes on.

ChrisYeah so so yeah still great watching through these and you know just getting insights from the actors, directors and and just seeing all the clips you know put together.

ChrisYou could just show so many of these clips just string them all back to back for half an hour so that would be a great bit of great bit of entertainment.

AdamYeah. I I think back to paranormal activity I know I think I got an insight into how it worked by I was what round I was round Dean's once and his flatmate at the time Matt was watching it downstairs.

AdamAnd we literally would we didn't hear a peep out of him for ages. And then it suddenly sounded like you'd thrown a cat on a drum kit. You just suddenly get And I think that might be part of its sort of jump scare thing is that clearly there's just long periods of silence and then suddenly wallop.

LeeYeah.

AdamLike huge on the soundtrack because that because that only that occurred a couple of times but then the rest of it was just dead quiet so

LeeYeah. It is and not so much actually I forgot to mention that last week and the week before in fact when we were talking about the the Nightmare on Elm Street remake that one of the things that annoyed me with that yeah was the sound that in was the same.

LeeSo everyone was whispering and then as soon as Freddy turned up or whatever they literally just doubled the volume. So you ended up almost having to watch it with one hand on the volume control.

AdamYeah.

ChrisEven like you know trying to watch it late at night when someone's in bed would be impossible. I was watching it in the middle of the afternoon and I still had to have my hand on the volume control because it was too too loud.

ChrisIt was just yeah or maybe I just got ship No I think I think it's I think it is very much I also it's I mean you that's that that's the thing you've got a genuinely great audio setup.

ChrisSo you know but that means that you're getting that's how it would have been in the cinema.

LeeYeah.

ChrisJust you had no control over the volume at that point. I mean it's it's I can't imagine it's any sort of I can't imagine it's quite on the scale of Drag Me to Hell which is possibly the loudest thing I've ever experienced in the cinema.

LeeDeafening from beginning to end

ChrisYeah. Oh yeah they That wasn't about jump scares that was just like we've mastered this really well. Have a listen.

LeeYeah. Oh up deaf stunning stunning. yes. So so I'm trying to think Chris you so you've seen those movies already apart from paranormal activity. Are you going to put it on your

ChrisYeah.

Leeif you want to see now or are you not really?

ChrisIt probably wouldn't be one that I would rush to watch. but certainly every time they show a film in this because it just gives you I suppose on the whole positive insight into the film then it makes it tempting you know more than it might have been.

Chrisslight downside though is that they just gone to Rosemary's Baby so I've sort of skipped through that a bit because I figure we may watch that at some point.

LeeI'd be surprised if we didn't.

ChrisPossibly I think I think also did I don't think it would count in the same genre but did the Omen come up at any point?

LeeSo they didn't talk a lot about it because it's not really a possession thing it's just

Christhe antichrist is no one gets possessed by the devil.

LeeYes. They didn't go into much detail on it or if they did I I didn't pick up on that. I think because someone commented that kids are just scary.

ChrisYeah.

AdamWhich I'm sure Lee would wholeheartedly agree with.

LeeAbsolutely.

ChrisOr or you may use a slightly different word.

LeeCool. Excellent. Well done. Adam

AdamYeah.

Leewatched anything horror related in the last week?

Adamonly thing I've watched is on Shudder I've watched I watched Blood Machines the other night. That's I mean it's pretty good. like you say I mean it looks incredible, sounds incredible.

AdamThere's not much of a plot is there really.

LeeNo. No.

AdamAnd and I think we can qualify here that I definitely found it style over substance. And you know that that's often a recommendation for me. but yeah I think it was just yeah I think it's it's just a great exercise in visuals.

AdamBut yeah there's nothing there's no sort of real beyond the concept there's no real plot going on or anything like that so it's yeah it's entertaining while it's on.

LeeIt's perfect background. It's if you want something on while you're working or whatever so you don't have to watch it you can just listen to it. And when you're on over you know something exciting and neon and shiny will be happening then you don't say you don't have to follow a story or anything it's it's just good.

LeeGood background stuff really.

ChrisYeah. So but yeah that's the only I think that's the only thing I've watched I've watched this week of other than the films that we've been covering so

LeeExcellent. I have watched a couple of things. I have completed the whole of the first season of Castle Rock.

ChrisOh yes. And

LeeStephen King it's very good now. I I made a point of not looking it up. I had two people recommend it so I went in completely blind. I know there is a second season but the way that season one is I'm imagining it's going to be an American horror story type scenario where it will cut to a different story taking place in the same town.

ChrisUniversal sort of thing yeah.

LeeYeah because I don't see how it can carry on with the same story because it came to a very definite end. But yeah really good, really creepy, fantastic acting, really well written.

Leeyeah I mean it's testament to it that in two weeks I watched all 10 hours of it so

ChrisYeah that's a pretty good that's a pretty good indicator isn't it?

LeeYeah. and the other thing which we didn't watch but we kind of we did Dave who was on previously emailed me in the week to tell me that London Horror Society who we mentioned a couple of weeks ago had put up an hour long quarantine horror quiz.

ChrisOh wow.

Leeso it's lots of famous people

ChrisYeah.

Leegiving you a few questions on horror trivia. yeah and it runs for about an hourish. There's over a hundred questions.

ChrisOh that's brilliant.

LeeIt's really good so they give you that say it's done in eight rounds so they'll give you like 10 or 12 questions from different celebrities

ChrisMhm.

Leelike one or two questions from each person. And then they give you the answers and then they go to the next round. there were two mistakes I noticed which were slightly annoying where they asked the question and then missed the answers when they went into editing.

Leethe question and never answered it but I say there was over a hundred and I only got 27 it's really obscure stuff in there.

ChrisWow.

ChrisOh oh I feel I I feel I've got I've got to watch that now.

LeeYou got to give it a go. Yeah I'll forward you the link. Yeah you can give it a try and see if you Oh definitely yeah. but yeah I mean it's fantastic.

LeeAgain it was a really fun way Jennifer and I sat down with and just sat and went through and spent the evening doing that. It was good fun.

ChrisThat's great.

AdamYeah.

ChrisI like it.

LeeYes. So onto this evening's main feature Night of the Eagle from 1961 or two depending on where you look at it apparently is what I've discovered.

AdamAll right. Okay.

LeeIt says 62 on IMDB.

Christhat's what I've got as my date down yeah.

LeeBut I was trying to work out what studio had released it because it was A I P and

ChrisI saw I saw it was Elstree at the end.

LeeYes. Yes. It was a lot of it was shot at Elstree and the rest was all shot on location down in Cornwall. So all that nice stuff of the beaches and things.

ChrisYeah. Yeah.

LeeBut yeah so I was trying to find I was looking at the DVD release and a couple of them were showing 1961 so I don't quite know

ChrisAll right. Okay.

Leewhat happened there but we will go with IMDB and say 62. yes so a very brief rundown of the story a successful doctor successful go on.

AdamWhat?

LeeThat's all right. It sounded like you were about to

AdamI was just about to laugh because I just when I don't know why but it was just the way you were saying successful sounded like you were going into sexy.

AdamSo I thought it was just going to be a sexy

ChrisWell that that's probably applicable as well.

AdamDo you know what sexy professor

Leeis just magnificent and that's not let's not beat around the bush there is

ChrisNo he's he's he's a he 's a he's a he's a magnificent figure of a man.

LeeHe is indeed. so a it so he's an eminent professor and he's everything's going well in his life. and it transpires that his wife is a witch and believes the people are trying to do him harm and has been setting about the whole time counteracting what she believes is evil witchcraft against him.

LeeHe gets her to stop. And everything unravels pretty quickly in his life.

AdamI don't think you'd be going too far in saying tits up.

LeeYes. Very much so very quickly. so Chris what did you make of this movie?

ChrisI loved the idea of it. And I was really enjoying it. I would say more than I expected because it's got a few things against it potentially but they were doing it such a good job.

ChrisAnd then I was really hoping that it wasn't going to be witchcraft. And I need that bit explained in case I've mistaken it. It seems like there definitely was elements of witchcraft in it because how did she know about the car crash?

ChrisAnd maybe it

Chrisyeah so I don't know I that kind of ruined it for me because I'd much prefer that it wasn't. And I still don't know for sure how much of it was because obviously a lot of it could be explained through luck and people interpreting things.

Chrisif you say this is happening because of witchcraft you could start to think oh maybe it is because how could that possibly happen but of course those things can happen.

ChrisThey just seem a bit surprising. So yeah does does one of you want to tell me if I'm being a bit dim?

Leeno I I think I had the same as you. I I think that it was an element of it was certainly hypnosis as we saw.

ChrisYeah. Yeah.

LeeBut I yeah I do think that there was witchcraft at play as well. And that there was that supernatural element. I definitely thought there was.

AdamI I felt that that was that that was kind of what I felt the film sort of wanted you certainly that the film believed it.

LeeMhm.

AdamIf you see what I mean like the filmmakers were doing it from the point of view yet that yeah it's definitely witchcraft. It has a supernatural

Chriswas Yeah.

Adamorigin or sort of explanation. And I think it's because it's a very much it's very much a sort of keystone of the film is

Adamthe professor's phone from his position of absolute what's the word for it like absolute secular non-belief. You know as far as he's concerned it's all mumbo jumbo.

ChrisRational.

AdamYes. Yeah. And I think that's what it I think that's what it is. It's basically it's it's a rational man having it having that removed. Bit not not too far distant from whistle and I'll come to you.

LeeYes.

AdamWhere it's you know you've got the professor who's just sort of like I mean done in a much different way you know obviously it's more comedic and everything but it's that same thing of someone who sort of is

Adamresolute in their in their non-belief getting it sort of shaken up and getting their world turned on its head essentially.

ChrisSo so the main problem I have with that is that because witchcraft is obviously complete nonsense then I don't mind it when a film is supernatural to the point of not possible but when it presents as you know this kind of could be real then it's just hard for me to fully enjoy that aspect of it whereas if they'd gone for the it is actually just that it can all look like that and yeah some hypnosis and certainly psychology probably coming into it then I sort of prefer that outcome.

ChrisWhereas say if we looked at the witch then I still really liked that at the end whether it was she was a real witch or not.

AdamYeah.

ChrisAnd so kind of heard that. Now the only thing that still left left me a bit confused at the end of this was why did the eagle then fall on

AdamGo on.

ChrisYes.

LeeFlora.

ChrisYes Flora.

LeeFlora Carr. see now I took that to be because there's the thing in witchcraft in there that what you do to others comes back to you.

ChrisYes. No it's not I think it is

LeePossibly.

ChrisBut it's it's but it's basically yeah the concept is like what is it it comes back to you threefold.

LeeOkay. Now why would you ever be a witch then?

ChrisBecause you can you if you I think this is the point is that if you're using and also I think it's the psychology of the person. She didn't believe that what she was doing was wrong.

ChrisSo you know well I think she thinks she well she's just looking to further her husband and her she position within the university.

AdamOh yeah. But no but what I'm saying is from her point of view that is entirely justified.

ChrisWell it's true a lot of people do things that are absolutely insane whilst still thinking that somehow they're fine to do but if they've done to them they'd probably have a few words to say about it.

AdamExactly. It's it's more to do with no one it's like no one no one's a villain in their own story.

ChrisYeah.

AdamDo you know what I mean Hitler genuinely believed you know that he was doing the right thing.

ChrisHe's the hero of the story yeah.

AdamExactly. And I think it's the same sort of thing as far as they're concerned like look at this young upstart and his

ChrisThen then why did she need to lie to his to her husband?

AdamOh because I think just he would be he would probably react much in the same way as

AdamI keep I keep going to call him I keep going to call him Peter Warlock but I'm going to I'm going to call him by his character's name but by you know how Norman was with his wife I think it would be the same thing where it's like oh no it'll be

ChrisYour mental.

AdamYeah. Well also I think it's just sort of like you would and then also you begin to question if it was you know it's I think it's a complicated one but because I think everyone basically all the men in this would be dismissive.

ChrisYes. Yeah. I guess it was that era as well. I'm sure

AdamWell I think yeah but it's also it it's a it's a university campus. It's like academics you know people who regardless of what you know regardless of what it is they will be leaders in their field and feel or probably feel that they are you know you know you you have letters after your name.

AdamYou're clearly intelligent. But that but it's also that thing of where you know does that translate like you get in classic B movies where it's like well I'm an astronomer but I've just synthesized this enzyme and I've looked into the you know the archaeological significance of the thing and it's like no you've got you're not you're not general science everything yeah you know you it's sort of as soon as it's like sort of you know oh he's he's he's a marine biologist but he knows how to create you know I don't know fucking dynamite.

LeeYeah. Yeah.

AdamOr or he can analyze you know creature from another planet or whatever like that. It's it gets a very sort of confused but I think genuinely I think that it's the in terms of with like magic coming back to you is I think that there is people who see good in their purpose won't you know won't equate it with what's coming back to them.

AdamAnd also you've got to remember is that if you then use your witchcraft in good ways what would come back to you would be beneficial. You know if you were using your if you were using witchcraft to heal people then you know, to whatever.

AdamThis is this is a discussion that implies that witchcraft is is real.

ChrisYeah.

AdamBut do you know what I mean?

LeeIn the context of this film, it is. So we have to discuss it as if that's

AdamYeah, and I think that's the point is that it's sort of like it yes, there is the thing of stuff coming back to you threefold, but probably the majority of people wouldn't necessarily think what they're doing is wrong.

LeeSo did they did they say that in the film that it comes back to you?

AdamI don't think they do.

LeeBecause that would be a fair moral to the end of the film then is they're trying to teach people who are trying to be witches, well, you want to watch out because you might think you're doing good, but you're going to get an eagle fall on you.

AdamWell, I think also I think the point is is that you've got the key moment weirdly is not Taylor being pursued by the eagle or even the wonderful BBC Radiophonic Workshop Whirly real-to-real background that's on his lecture about neurosis.

AdamBut that the key point is actually is when he reaches the absolute what well, what he thinks is the end of his tether,

LeeYeah.

Adamhe performs a magical ritual.

AdamAnd it's at that point that it 's like that's really I think the moral of the film is do not dismiss. You know, just because it is outside of your purview doesn't necessarily mean I it won't work or indeed there might be more intelligent or people with better knowledge than yourself out there.

LeeHe does very you know, very blanketly say at the beginning when he's doing his during his lecture, he's saying it's people in a state of desperation. Yeah, and then when you see him find himself in that desperation,

ChrisYeah.

Leehe does the same. He'll try anything in order to save his wife even if it's something that he has no real belief in.

AdamFor that moment, you know, and it and the thing is it appears to work and weirdly I think that might be part of the moral as well is then don't dismiss.

AdamIf if something has proven itself to you in one way, then it become surely you can't then rewrite it later. You can't go back on yourself and dismiss that and say, oh well, you know, well, obviously it was it was a coincidence, which indeed it probably was, but it sort of you know, it's got to leave you room to think and I think that's what it is.

AdamHalf of it I think is about narrow-mindedness and then I think also the other half is actually the real horror story of this is people like basically a workplace drama about people backbiting.

LeeYeah.

ChrisWell, yeah.

AdamAnd rather than and rather than it being sort of like you get someone throwing you under the bus with something that's happened or or even how it would be nowadays where it's like, well, look at this tweet that they put out in March 2008 where they said this, you know, we'll get rid of them.

AdamAnd I think it's that you know, I think that's what it is is really it's half workplace drama about people being bitchy, backbiting, petty-minded tossers combined with and don't take the piss out of witches otherwise watch it.

AdamWhat I didn't realise is it's actually the because it's based on it's based on a book by the author Fritz Leiber. Now I've read some Fritz Leiber and it's very good, very sort of it's definitely falls into the weird fiction purview.

AdamAnd he's done stuff with he's written using the Cthulhu Mythos.

ChrisNice.

AdamOh, pardon me. Excuse me. There you go. That's Subway coming back. But yeah, he but he also was the person who coined the term sword and sorcery.

ChrisOh, well, that's interesting.

AdamYeah, and he wrote he wrote a lot of sword and sorcery. He wrote some out out horror weird fiction. He also wrote sci-fi. A lot of his sci-fi and horror kind of coalesce a bit a bit how Lovecraft does weirdly.

AdamBut yeah, so and the story is actually called Conjure Wife. And must I must confess I've not read it, but it was originally published in Unknown Worlds in 1943, then in an anthology and then as a novel as part of an anthology in 52 and then actually as a standalone novel in 53.

AdamAnd there's actually there's two other adaptations of it. There's a film called The Weird Woman from Universal with Lon Chaney Jr.

ChrisNice.

AdamFrom 1944 and then there's some a comedy from 1980 called Witches Brew with Teri Garr which I thought would intrigue you, Lee. So on a on a number of levels there.

AdamBut yeah, and apparently

LeeI've got a feeling somebody's watching me.

AdamI I yes, I've got a feeling I yes, because that's strange because I remember thinking that at the time. I came across that when we were doing research for the for Young Frankenstein.

AdamI remember thinking I must hunt it down. I forgot all about it and then like a week later you said we should definitely do this film and I was like, that's strange, but yeah, yeah.

AdamSo you're right. Yes. Yeah. So so yeah, so there's like this is like apparently this is the the the best of the adaptations. But from what I gathered, Conjure Wife because obviously there's the whole thing that they it's kind of not they don't make too much of a bones about it in this, but there's obviously it's where they've been like the Taylors have been on on field studies to look at voodoo practices which obviously again plays into it.

AdamIt still can be it still can be considered witchcraft. And another interesting thing is that there's much the same as with witchcraft with voodoo practitioner. A lot of it is believed to be it's belief that makes it work.

AdamI.e. the belief of the person doing it, but also the person the belief of the person who is subject to it. Whereas I think that's the interesting thing with this film is it's like he apparently has been well, certainly he's been fortunate and lucky and how much of that is down to I think that's another thing that affects his arrogance as well is it's like my wife did all these things.

AdamIs that why I'm successful? Because then that implies I wouldn't have done it on my own. And again I think that's almost like it's an affront to him but it's like, well, why are you doing this?

AdamObviously we've got this lovely house and this lovely job and everything else like that because I'm fucking great. Not you know, not because you've

AdamWho hasn't? So but from so from what I gather Conjure Wife like the the novel they they dwell more on that. I believe that the witch doctor who they talk about in this is actually a character in Conjure Wife.

AdamAnd from what I gather kind of the the not not the twist or anything else like that but kind of what becomes apparent in Conjure Wife is that all women know about witchcraft and all women are witches and they've just kept it from us.

AdamThey've kept it from men but all women know how Claire's nodding. She knows.

AdamOh, there we go. Yeah, Claire's just explained it. It's actually that's what the instructions in boxes of tampons is. They're just the instructions you know, basics of things like I'll tell you what, your husband's boat annoying you, right, get shell of an egg, put it in some water, stir it around and push it in.

AdamCunt or drown. So but remember you'll drown three times as worse later. It did feel like that. It certainly it it did feel because Jennifer said that. She was like, is every woman in this a witch?

LeeCunt or drown. So but remember you'll drown three times as worse later. It did feel like that. It certainly it it did feel because Jennifer said that. She was like, is every woman in this a witch?

AdamAnd I was like, well, yeah, pretty much. I think they are. Kind of yeah, that's kind of how the book sort of works is that basically there's this whole background world that all the men are not not not sort of privy to whereby you know, and well, let's face it.

LeeAnd I was like, well, yeah, pretty much. I think they are.

AdamKind of yeah, that's kind of how the book sort of works is that basically there's this whole background world that all the men are not not not sort of privy to whereby you know, and well, let face it.

AdamIt 's like well, all all the women are actually doing all the work. And actually they are the sort of they are the reason that life is actually

AdamIt's like well, all all the women are actually doing all the work. And actually they're the sort of they're the reason that life is actually

LeeWe're back to social commentary again.

AdamWell, I don't I don't even know if it's that but I think I just love the fact because I think it is because it is a film that does it it works in that very much distinction of masculine feminine as well whereby like you say, I mean like Jennifer saying, our world is everyone a wit are all the women witches.

AdamBut there's also the thing where it's basically it's like, no, I want you to listen to this lecture about neurosis and learn that you're a nutter. Yeah. You know, you you silly woman with your womb leading you to all manner of of ungodly weirdness.

AdamAnd how dare you, you know, because I'm a rational bloke. And I think that 's yeah,

AdamAnd how dare you, you know, because I'm a rational bloke. And I think that's yeah,

LeeIt certainly doesn't make himself entirely endearing

AdamOh, no, he's an absolute dick to her. And it's sort of but it's like and it does feel like it's half half of it is the affront of sort of, oh, why do you believe this nonsense?

AdamOh, no, he's an absolute dick to her. And it sort of but it the affront of sort of, oh, why do you believe this nonsense? But it does sort of seem to almost get to the fundamental thing of was just stop being a silly woman.

AdamBut it does sort of seem to almost get to the fundamental thing of was just stop being a silly woman. Why can't you be more like a chap? They won't be doing this sort of silly thing.

AdamWhy can't you be more like a chap? They won't be doing this sort of silly thing. So

AdamSo

Adambut I yeah, so I I gather that that's sort of something that probably feeds in from the book but isn't there. This isn't there necessarily explicitly in the film.

Adambut I yeah, so I I gather that that 's sort of something that probably feeds in from the book but isn't there. This isn't there necessarily explicitly in the film.

AdamBut also I mean the people who adapted it this it's got three script writers, one of which is Richard Matheson who we've been raving about since Legend of Hell House episode five.

AdamSo you know, he and and Charles Beaumont and George Baxt and they're all of them wrote for like The Twilight Zone and things like that and I think that really that really comes across in this.

AdamI think you know, they've got they've got some bloody good writers involved. And actually from a from a cinematography point of view, I just love how it looks. You know, the black of the black and white of this is so sort of crisp and

LeeYeah, I was thinking it's aged really well.

AdamWell, I think it because it feels like it's a decision rather than just oh, everything with black and white then. Do you know what I mean? It's like you you're working you're working to the benefit of being black and white.

AdamWell, I think it because it feels like it 's a decision rather than just oh, everything with black and white then. Do you know what I mean? It's like you you're working you're working to the benefit of being black and white.

AdamIt's not just well, the only way we can film this is black and white because colour don't exist or you know, we don't have the money for colour or whatever.

LeeYeah, no, it it does look really good and I love the sets as well, you know, like his house and the the university where they all teach. They just look fantastic.

LeeYeah, no, it it it does look really good and I love the sets as well, you know, like his house and the the university where they all teach. They just look fantastic.

LeeThere's some lovely old buildings and yeah, and as you say, even the shooting at not a lot of times that like when you go back to films this old, the contrast between indoor and outdoor feels very different.

LeeAnd

AdamYes.

LeeI didn't feel it so much in this but those outdoor shots at night as we've said, you know, a lot of time they do day for night shooting. It looks absolutely god-awful.

LeeAnd yeah, but they did a fantastic job with this. I thought it looked really not even the running around the beach at night just looked wonderful.

AdamYeah. It's I think yeah, they've it's it's such such a good job and it actually and I think that the the eagle you know, they do it just right, I think.

AdamYeah. It is I think yeah, they've it's it's such such a good job and it actually and I think that the the eagle you know, they do it just right, I think.

AdamThere's a couple of moments where it's like that's an eagle in a full-sized in a model of a passageway. But in but in essence it gets the point across.

AdamThere's a couple of moments where it like that an eagle in a full-sized in a model of a passageway. But in but in essence it gets the point across.

AdamAnd actually and that another thing apparently in Conjure Wife, the statue that comes to life is a dragon. And I have to say like almost like proper round of applause to the filmmakers where they're like we're going to if we try and do a dragon, it's going to look so shit.

AdamAnd actually and that another thing apparently in Conjure Wife, the statue that comes to life is a dragon. And I have to say like almost like proper round of applause to the filmmakers where they are like we're going to if we try and do a dragon, it 's going to look so shit.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo let's change it for something that we can bring

AdamSo let change it for something that we can bring

ChrisReason to Turkey.

AdamWe can we can hire an eagle. We can't hire a dragon. So

LeeYeah, I agree that and the thing is if that had come off badly that effect, it could have sunk you know, films have been sunk by less than you know, decision.

AdamWell, I mean

LeeSo I think you I think you're right. I think it was a fantastic idea.

AdamWell, if this film gets compared to something that we will have to show Chris as well at some point to Night of the Demon.

LeeYes. Oh yeah, yeah, totally.

AdamBut but a lot of people do say the problem with Night of the Demon is the Demon that it works. I I personally don't have a problem with it but I understand where people are coming from is that they're sort of like their take on it is that the implication is more frightening than the the thing that eventually appears.

AdamBut I do think that you know, I I can understand and I do think that it does have it does have a bearing on people's appreciation of it whereas I think with this that's that's an eagle.

AdamAnd it's you know, they haven't and I mean also just to just to give you an indication, we're back to The Exorcist and amazing moments of sort of action shall we say.

AdamAnd it 's you know, they haven't and I mean also just to just to give you an indication, we're back to The Exorcist and amazing moments of sort of action shall we say.

AdamI'll give you three guesses how they got the eagle to attack Peter Blatty.

LeeOff through his coat.

AdamYeah, they stuck a load of meat under his jacket.

AdamAnd you know, and Peter Blatty said afterwards, yes, it was it was a very real reaction because it had a 9-ft wingspan and was terrified.

LeeYeah.

Adamas well but yeah, I yeah, and it's funny because because there's two cuts of Night of the Demon, isn't there? There's a British and an American.

LeeYeah, one yeah, because the American is Curse of the Demon.

AdamThat 's right and I believe one of them doesn't have the monster doesn't have the demon in. Is that correct?

LeeOne I think one of them no, one of them has

ChrisCurse of the Demon in.

AdamIt has the demon in less. I think there's like there's a bit I think there might it might be Curse or it might be Night. I can't remember which way round it is but one of them you see the you see the creature at the beginning as well as the end.

LeeYeah.

AdamWhereas I think and I it may actually be it may be the American version that doesn't have you don't see it at the start.

LeeI think that's the if I remember correctly, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah.

LeeI think that 's the if I remember correctly, that what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah.

AdamYeah. So and again I think that was probably just the decision was made much the same with this. It was like Night of the Eagle. We're going to go and see that.

AdamWe'll call it Burn, Witch, Burn.

AdamWe'll

Adamit Burn, Witch, Burn.

LeeYeah.

AdamAnd you know, the the the the drive-through guys the driving crowd will be set. You know, I I mean I have to say if it's something that's got when something's called Burn, Witch, Burn, I'd be a bit disappointed by this film because I don't go into this film like Night of the Eagle.

AdamI'm intrigued and I'll sit there and I will continue to be intrigued.

LeeYeah.

AdamBurn, Witch, Burn I can imagine I'm sitting there like looking at the watch going, I ain't seen a fucking witch yet.

AdamBurn, Witch, Burn I can imagine I sitting there like looking at the watch going, I ain't seen a fucking witch yet.

LeeYeah. I I see I went into this completely blind. I'd never even heard of this film and Adam they release they released it on DVD and you bought it for me for my birthday or Christmas one year.

AdamYes, yeah.

LeeAnd it sat on the shelf for a couple of months again because I didn't know anything about it so I didn't know when I was going to be in the mood for it.

LeeAnd in one night I was like, oh, I'll just stick that on and give it a go. Yeah, and was absolutely I was like, why have I never even heard of this film?

LeeIt's it's such a fantastic. And I think what works for me particularly, which is funny because it's the exact opposite kind of what of what Chris said I think what particularly works for me is the fact that it implies that there is is witchcraft and that it does work but it isn't full-on balls to the wall.

LeeIt's it's such a fantastic. And and I think what works for me particularly, which is funny because it's the exact opposite kind of what of what Chris said I think what particularly works for me is the fact that it implies that there is is witchcraft and that it does work but it isn't full-on balls to the wall.

LeeWe're going to raise a demon. He's going to run through the streets. It's all it's stuff very easily being

ChrisYeah.

Leeincident or circumstantial but the idea that that is how that's how witchcraft works.

Leeincident or but the idea that that is how that's how witchcraft works.

ChrisYeah.

Leeeasily dismiss or miss it. And I think that's why this works for me as much as it did because it is that subtle you know, it's not right, you know, we want him dead just the instructions you know, basics of things like I'll tell you what, your husband's boat annoying you, right, get shell of an egg, put it in some water, stir it around and push it in.

Leeeasily dismiss or miss it. And I think that 's why this works for me as much as it did because it is that subtle you know, it's not right, you know, we want him dead we're going to get a thing and stick pins in it and he's just going to fall dead in the street.

LeeIt's it's a subtle yeah, sort of controlling manipulative type of witchcraft yeah, which I thought was fantastic yeah, and and a lot more almost as you say not believable but if you were to believe it, I'm sure people who do believe in witchcraft do believe in it this way, you know, they don't think they can raise a demon and send it to go and kill someone in the night but they do think they can put bad luck on them and just general life will wear them down quicker because of the influences that they've had.

AdamYeah, it's definitely it's definitely a it's one of those things where it works on a subjective level and also with without you know, without belief there on either party it can't work anyway.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo you know, and I think I think that's the thing is the point of it is is it's about it's a who was it put that? It was Warren Ellis who wrote Transmetropolitan and the adaption of Castlevania, you know, the cartoon the animated Castlevania.

AdamYeah, he it's in one of one of his in one of his comics they refer to it as the cheat codes of reality. That and that's what magic is but also there's the whole thing where it's about the establishment of your own personal reality.

AdamSo the world is as you see it because it can't be any other way essentially.

LeeYeah.

ChrisWell, you generate the world in your mind.

AdamExactly. And therefore

ChrisAs much as

Adamyou can choose to do that and weirdly enough it can and then it intersects with other people and that's just how you know, that that is in essence how reality works is it's just we all we all agree on certain things.

ChrisYeah.

AdamIt's probably the the best way of putting it. But but I think that's yeah, there's a a lot in this that can be read either way. And and as shockingly enough I think apart from apart from the attack of the apart from the attack of well, like basically a a statue comes to life and attacks someone, you know, and that point

ChrisThat that could well, yeah, but I was was wondering it still could have been you know, his started to go crazy and so he is imagining it at this point.

AdamExactly.

LeeRight, now the attack with the of the eagle I took to be purely hypnosis.

ChrisBecause she was playing it so loud and yeah.

AdamIt's related to that tape message.

LeeYeah.

ChrisYeah.

AdamYeah.

LeeMany things I took to be real real quote-unquote witchcraft if you like. Yeah, is the fact that she might have had some control over that van that ran him off the road when he was trying to get Tensey to get off of the coach.

ChrisWell, that seemed surprising that she knew about it.

LeeYeah, and obviously the house burning down.

AdamYeah. Interesting fact.

ChrisBut but they showed that as the cat doing it. So again it was like, you know, you could be explained. Yeah, but that could be explained either way.

LeeBut his wife suddenly developing a limp and going and getting a big knife from

ChrisA knife, yeah, yeah.

Leethat is a little bit

AdamI I don't know. I'd imagine Jennifer's been near it a few times.

LeeI wouldn't have I wouldn't bet against it and be honest.

AdamBut I think that the I think also we we've obviously got to say hail to Peter Blatty.

LeeIndeed.

AdamFor being just absolutely absolutely fucking brilliant.

ChrisYeah. He must have done some other things.

Adamwell, he famously he he was he played a character called Jason Jason King on television. It first of all in a show called Department S which was a bit like a sort of it was from the 60s around that same sort of time you get The Avengers and The Champions and basically it's a group of people who solve unsolvable crimes like like I forget what like you know, it'd be like plane takes off with loads of people in it, plane lands, they've all gone.

AdamWhere does that stand as part of the you know, and then they call in Department S who solve the mystery. And his role in that was Jason King and he basically is the inspiration for Austin Powers.

Adamhe was a crime novelist who also served crimes in his spare time. He was constantly surrounded by ladies. And he had an incredible rapist moustache and bouffant hair. And Jason King was so popular as part of Department S that they then spun it out and he had his own series for a while.

AdamAlso like we discussed I think it was last week he played Lando Pike in Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes.

LeeYeah.

Adambut he also played the character of Baron Gruner in The Illustrious Client in an earlier adaption of Sherlock Holmes, the Douglas Wilman Douglas Wilmer and Nigel Stock era from the 60s.

Adamso yeah, and Baron Gruner is is perfect for Peter Cushing because he's he's that awful bastard. You know the one who's like he ends up getting a victory or throwing.

LeeYeah, the one who's got the book of women.

AdamThat's it, yes.

LeeYes.

AdamYeah. He is yeah, and so you've yeah, but he's also Peter Cushing in The Innocence which came out. I didn't realise it came out just before this so it's you know, they're quiet and The Innocence is an adaption of The Turn of the Screw by Henry James really really good brilliant film that is.

AdamYou would probably know Chris as Clytus in Flash Gordon.

ChrisNo, I am not as familiar with Flash Gordon as I should be.

AdamHe's the one with the gold skull face.

ChrisOkay.

AdamWho's Ming's Ming's assistant essentially or he's like his right-hand man. Responsible for one of the finest moments of an obscure body in the SK system. The inhabitants call it

AdamSo yeah. Someone sat someone sat him down and said we want you to find a different way of saying and he found one. he was in Doctor Who Planet of Fire.

AdamHe he's actually he's Steve's dad in The Yob. Comic strip presents The Yob.

LeeOh, really?

AdamYeah.

LeeBlimey.

Adamhe's in two really good episodes of The Avengers, one of which is called a Touch of Brimstone, which was banned at the time because he ran he was the evil aristocrat who ran the Hellfire Club.

AdamAnd at one point Emma Peel, played by Diana Rigg, comes out in a spiked corset with a snake round her neck. And Blimey, yeah. So that's yeah, that's that's good.

ChrisSays it all.

AdamYeah. Yeah, but and that episode actually got was I think it was cut because at one point because it's meant to be like they're meant to be like a modern day version of the Hellfire Club, so it's all like sort of you know drink and debauchery and and yeah, but she comes out like that, but she's also got a whip with her.

AdamAnd at one point Peter Wingard's trying to whip her and then she whips him back and yeah, a lot of people read something into that. I don't know what.

AdamIt's only perfectly innocent to me. You know, so yeah. But I mean he sort of you know he did the rounds in lots and lots of stuff. I really want to see a there's a film called Tank Mallin, which stars Ray Winston as a journalist.

AdamIt's like from the mid eighties.

ChrisIt wasn't the role I was expecting you to say for Ray Winston.

AdamYeah, but Wingard plays an evil aristocrat covering up a child prostitution scandal in the government. but it's got like yeah, and it's directed by Georgie from a Orange which is just weird.

AdamBut in now the interesting thing is that Peter Wingard, as I say, he was this massive massive icon because of playing Jason King. My dad used to dress like fucking Jason King.

Adambecause Jason King, he always had birds around the place and everything else like that. However, in the when was it? In the sort of mid mid seventies basically sort of like at the height of his power, he was arrested twice for yeah, he was arrested twice for gross indecency in some public toilets where basically he was in there procuring for gay sex.

AdamHe was he was closeted and I think remained so pretty much for his entire life, but you know these sort of came out at which point my dad stopped dressing like Jason King strangely enough, even though he and he was really pissed off because he'd grown the mustache bought all the like the crushed velvet jackets and shirts and everything.

ChrisHe's putting a serious effort.

AdamHe put in a lot of effort and then yeah, and then that happened, which was quite good because my dad basically looked like a technicolour version of the Yorkshire Ripper rather than Jason King.

AdamIt has to be said.

LeeOh.

AdamYeah. but he but now but the interesting thing is is that I mean regardless of anything else, Peter Wingard, fucking great actor. Brilliant sort of that sort of brilliantly hammy delivery as well, but it's just just on the right side of ham a lot of the time, you know.

AdamLike a bit of pickle. Just on the right side of ham he did release he released the self-titled album in 1970 just called Peter Wingard. Later re-released as when sex leers its inquisitive head.

AdamIt's a very good album, but oh my fuck, there is stuff on that album that just Jesus Christ, it must have been dodgy at the time.

LeeOh, really?

AdamYeah. There is there is stuff the majority of it sort of like you know it's sort of bandies along and it's sort of like partially spoken word and actually the opening track is brilliant because it's just him Hello.

AdamYes, come right in. Yes. no the lights haven't gone, it's candle light. Yes. Can I can I take your coat? what an amazing central earring. Is it? Yes, I thought so.

AdamAnd it's just this sort of weird like seduction intro. unfortunately that segues into a song called Rape in which he jokingly describes rape in various different countries whilst impersonating the accents of the countries involved.

LeeI can see why this is and into the mainstream anytime recently.

AdamYeah. Yeah, I this this is be I think this is this is almost like a dictionary definition of problematic.

LeeYes.

AdamSo but yeah, so yeah I mean it's an album that has to be heard to be believed, but on your own head be it, please. Please be aware that I do not I do not recommend it from an entertainment value more a curiosity one.

LeeYeah.

AdamThere is however a song on there that's beautiful called Neville Thumb Catch, which is basically it got ripped off by eels for Nova Cane for the Soul. It's that same riff.

LeeOkay.

AdamThat's sort of But it's yeah, really good song. but yeah, there's others on there that oh Christ. Now he died in January 2018. And I thought I knew the story of Peter Wingard because it was sort of like you know he was an actor like my dad had made me aware of him.

Adammy dad had told told me he's essentially his story and everything else like that and you know I'd seen him in lots of stuff. I'd seen him in Flash Gordon.

AdamI'd seen episodes of Department S, episodes of Jason King, all the episodes he's in The Avengers, Doctor Who and so on and so forth. So there's a lot of it was about crossover and I thought you know I kind of know Peter Wingard.

AdamTurns out I don't and not many people did because what's become clear since his death is that he was an utter utter bullshitter. And you seriously this is one of those things where it like it's admirable.

AdamIt's not it's not sort of that no one has been hurt by this. It's not like suddenly you know stuff comes out of the woodwork where it's like oh they've did these terrible things or whatever like that.

AdamIt's just a a tissue of whoppers that he has sort of like laid out in his in his wake so to speak. So yeah. First of all his real name was Cyril Goldbert.

AdamAnd he changed his name to Peter Wingard. and took the opportunity to change his date of birth, his educational credentials.

Adamyeah. Basically just yeah, where is it? So he claimed a birth year of either 1933 or 37 and it was probably 1927. He claimed to be born to an English father and a French mother in a Marseille in in Marseille in France with his father named as a diplomat called Henry Wingard, where his actual father who Wingard referred to as his stepfather, was a Ukrainian merchant seaman who naturalized as a British citizen living in Malaya.

AdamHis mother was a mixed race woman from Singapore. and yeah. So and they would like they had like several brothers and sisters and everything. And then when Japan they were living out in Shanghai and when Japan occupied during World War II, they were placed in the Long Hua civilian internment camp, which is where JJ Ballard spent his time when flight where the book Empire of the Sun comes from.

Adamhe JJ Ballard claims he knew Peter Wingard. Peter Wingard denied it. But I think that might have something to do with the fact that Peter Wingard did acknowledge that he was in the in the Long Hua camp.

AdamHowever, he claimed he was the youngest un unsupervised child in the camp at five years old. Whereas actually he was in there with his entire family and was probably about 15.

AdamSo so he did so he didn't overwrite everything, but he did knock where it's like well actually if I've shaved that off my I'd have been five when I was in there.

AdamIsn't isn't that marvelous? And yeah, so I mean basically he yeah, he came when he came to when he came to England and changed his name to Peter Wingard, he just chose well fuck it, I'm just going to rewrite my autobiography.

AdamAnd we and even even now 1927 is the most likely date of birth. We don't know it for certain. You know he did a very good job of just making sure that all his his past was discarded and everything else like that.

AdamAnd it's just again I just love that. I just think that's just such a wonderful thing where it's like you know someone it's like the same with my nan.

AdamWhen my nan died we found out she'd been lying about her fucking age for years. But she should shave she should shave like three or four years off her bloody self.

AdamAnd it was which was something only discovered when we discovered her birth certificate. And I just think I just think it's lovely that he just sort of he's like sod it, I'm going to take the opportunity and just like yeah, what's what what's the bio I want rather than the bio I've got.

Adambut yeah, I mean he has to it has to be said yeah, I think he's I mean he he makes the movie, but I think that the cast the rest of the cast are really strong as well.

ChrisOh, good. Yeah.

AdamI don't think there's any weak links.

AdamAnd actually I have to say the guy who plays well let's just say I think nowadays whenever especially a British horror film, if I watch an old British horror film, I'm thinking that if what if they remade this today, which character would be played by Mark Gatiss?

AdamBecause you know he'd get his bloody in there. And it's Flora's husband, isn't it?

LeeYeah.

AdamYeah, that's who Mark Gatiss would play in this but that guy is a guy called Colin Gordon, who was one of the few people to play a multiple number two in The Prisoner.

LeeOh.

AdamAnd Peter Wingard was a number two in The Prisoner as well. So and he was very good. He was in Checkmate, but yeah, but he's in like sort of he's in a lot of stuff.

AdamHe was in Doctor Who The Faceless Ones. He's in Hancock, The Pink Panther Casino Royale, the original not the

LeeYeah.

Adamnot the not the latest one. and yeah, I think that he's definitely that's definitely the role I would have said that's that the that Mark Gatiss would have said oh well I'll I'll play I'll I'll play Lindsay Car and it was pretty good.

AdamBut yeah, I think but again I think everyone's sort of everyone's working to the same place as well. Also the guy the guy who was the doctor, which I do love that bit where it's just like well I don't advise you, you take it to a hospital.

AdamWhat are you doing? You know. And and again it's that sort of thing of oh I'm you know I'm smarter than you, ain't I? But that doctor turns up in loads and loads of comedy films and stuff, doesn't he?

AdamHe's like sure he's in Forty Towers and Rising Damp and stuff like that. But he's in The Hammer House of Horror, The Thirteenth Reunion. And I think I think maybe maybe when we come up to Christmas we might we could do with a bit of visiting some of those, I reckon.

LeeOh, yeah. Oh, totally. And I love those The Hammer House of Horrors. Some of those are absolutely amazing. so yeah, I'd be very keen to

AdamAnd actually Wingard was in one of the Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense episodes as well. So there's a I mean there's a lot of stuff. I mean the thing is it's like well it's a British film from the sixties, yeah.

AdamYou can guarantee that someone's been in The Avengers, they've been in Doctor Who, they've been you know they'll have been in at least one sort of sitcom or comedy or whatever like that.

AdamBut yeah, I think that oh and one interesting fact is and probably the only thing you know it's always that classic thing of oh you're dealing with witchcraft, you're dealing with magic, oh everything's going to go to up, everything's going to go weird and everything else like that.

AdamApparently Janet Blair, who is Tanzi Tanzer who is Tanzer when they were filming the bit where the house burns down, halfway through that she got a phone call and was told that her house in California was burning to the ground.

AdamYeah. But I mean that I mean that's literally that that's literally the only thing that anyone's got on the sort of the trivia thing for this or anything. So but

Leeput that down to pure coincidence.

AdamBut I think yeah, I mean certainly coming coming from this film I think I would definitely I think we need to do some of the Hammer House of Horrors.

AdamWe'll have a think about what episodes or whatever. but also I think at some point we need to cover Night Slash Curse of the Demon.

LeeYeah, without a doubt.

AdamBecause they're class I mean obviously they're it's so close to this that we've got we we definitely have to leave it for a little while.

LeeYeah.

AdamBecause they I mean they you know they're very much in the same sort of thing. It'd be interesting to see how that compares for you Chris as well because that it's not and it's not a sort of word for word sort of follow to this because it's based on MR James's short story The Casting of the Runes and you've got a very Alistair Crowley type villain turns up in it.

AdamIt's just really It's again a cracking film I think. But I mean it was nice it I have to say it was nice revisiting this. I did find it I did find it a bit slow maybe, but not never to the point of like you know never to the point that it lost its shine, shall we say?

LeeNo.

ChrisI think I would quite I enjoyed the pace enough. I I mean I know what you mean, but yeah I liked the mystery element kept me going all the way through.

AdamI think maybe that's what it is is because I'm maybe it's because it's a third fourth watch or something like that. So I know what's going on and I'm kind of like right get there.

AdamNow get to that bit and then there's that bit and there. It's much much in the same way as how you'd watch Star Wars as a kid and like right yeah we get the love stuff.

AdamCome on where's you know all right. And I think yeah, I think that that may have had a an effect on it possibly.

LeeI didn't get that, but I did get to when it gets to the point where they're on the beach in Cornwall at night. Yeah, I did think hang on a minute, how is this only 45 minutes in?

LeeI'm sure this there there's here, then there's the eagle and that's the end of it. How is there still 45 minutes to go?

AdamBut then I think I I mean actually Flora as the villain is pretty obvious because it's the it's the classic thing of essentially it's like oh well she's got a funny eye and a and a limp.

AdamYou know I mean she's clearly the villain. It's it's bone theory. Do you know what I mean? It's like have you got a physical disability? Yes, right we'll go and and stroke the cat.

AdamI don't watch a lot of like crime thrillers, but at one point it did just suddenly make me think of Columbo. It might have been when he was confronting her and explaining it all and I was like yeah, it's a little bit of a you know bit in the mold slightly.

LeeYeah, I fantastic absolutely brilliant.

AdamAnd when she's sitting there and it's just well I'm just playing with a pack of cards. You know actually I think that's probably probably if he'd been allowed to that is the role that Mark Gatiss would want.

AdamHe'd want he'd want to drag up and be Flora, but probably wouldn't be allowed to. But I think that you know she has a she has a it's it's a wonderfully sinister air, but it's also so crushingly sort of parochial.

AdamBecause it's like what so you've got these powers you can unleash. And you're using it to make sure your husband gets a promotion. Do you know what I mean?

AdamIt's like the most sort of Margo led better middle class witchery. Sort of thing. And even down to that where it's like at the start where clearly she's been round the house putting curses in.

AdamBecause that's when Tanzi goes round and he's like finding like the like the poppet in the lampshade and stuff like that. And again it's like she's you know she's obviously sort of it's it's like this this thing has been ongoing for some time and Tanzi's obviously been aware of it.

AdamAnd yeah, and it's only just sort of like come to his attention. I also have to say and this is again part of maybe part of the sort of question of being of its being of its time in so much as you're kind of expected to go along with Peter Wingard where it's like you know sort of like oh these silly women and their stupid fantasies and everything else like that.

AdamIs it's interesting that you when you watch it where you've got because nowadays I don't think they would put in the plot line about the the student, the girl.

LeeNo.

AdamWhere it's like she accuses and because I think now it would be almost assumed that it was the case.

LeeYeah.

AdamNot necessarily like just from a point of view of it as a trope in film and TV. I think it would be assumed that that was what was going on.

AdamWhereas you know in this it's almost it well it's it's not question

LeeUnthinkable.

AdamYeah. It's it's not question because you're with the character, so you know you know that that that isn't what happened.

LeeYeah.

AdamBut it's still I think now they just wouldn't put it in because it would just it would reflect too much doubt and also create you know that's a thing where you know if it was if if it was played out that would be I mean that's a ruinous of a career anyway.

AdamWhich is again part of the part of the Flora scheme if it's Flora who's influencing her to be

LeeYeah.

Adamyeah.

LeeControlling her. Yeah.

AdamWell she is they do say she's her ward, don't they?

LeeYeah.

AdamSo she's obviously got access to her as it were. And so she's probably been the one who's like feeding it with either mentally or witchcraft she's the one who's feeding.

LeeYeah.

AdamWhether it's manipulation or genuine magic. So but again I think it's I just think that that's something that wouldn't necessarily be wouldn't necessarily be done now or without it being because I mean it's quite explicit in the film, but I think they would have they would just be like shoring it up

LeeYeah.

Adamso much that you didn't you know this didn't definitely didn't happen and he's not got phone for it or anything else like that. You know. So it's yeah, that's definitely something that sort of was like

ChrisI kind of I kind of think it worked as a you know as one of the things that was going wrong because it had both her and her boyfriend as well, who was you know that the backstory was he was flunking out of class.

ChrisAnd then he is

AdamYeah.

Chrisis Norman actually being bad on him. You know like it's a bit questionable.

AdamYeah, is he is he giving him a hard time? Why is he giving him a hard time? Is it because he's a prick or I mean the best bit I mean when he pulls the gun on him and then he just grabs it off him and slaps it was like that yeah.

AdamYou were never going to use that were you posh boy.

Leewhen he's on the phone he says no no nobody's hurt. You just slapped him in the face and he is crying and he seems quite quite hurt.

AdamYeah. But yeah, but

Leehurt, but you know.

AdamYeah, I mean it's sort of well still still I mean it's like you know you know Peter Wingard's there if you're acting like a bitch I'm going to slap you like a bitch.

AdamThat's what he's that's what he's always said. That's always said, you know what I mean. But yeah, I

LeeYeah, so

Adamjust a it's just a very it's it's a very good film, but I do feel like yeah, it's half it's half a workplace drama. Half a supernatural chiller.

LeeYeah, I think this afternoon was the perfect time to watch it on a rainy Saturday afternoon. Yeah, so yeah, I think that was the perfect time to watch it.

LeeSo that's how I recommend do watch it. Watch it on a rainy Saturday afternoon and you will not be

AdamI think I think that's absolutely that is actually perfect. And weirdly enough I think this is a film that you could you could put this on in the afternoon weirdly enough.

AdamThere's a you know there's a there's enough in it that's like there's nothing in it that's sort of overtly

ChrisYeah.

Adamyou know but it still has I think that's the point. It still has a psychological value.

ChrisYeah.

AdamLike it could still you know it still intrigues, it still sort of like you you you think about it afterwards, but there's nothing in there that's like going to frighten the horses.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo you know

LeeYes, fantastic movie.

AdamVery well made. So on that note don't forget next week we are going to be doing Jennifer's birthday pick.

ChrisLet the right one in.

LeeSo we'll be covering Let the Right One In.

AdamThat is the original, not the remake, which will forever be known as Let the Right One In.

ChrisYeah.

LeeAnd we

ChrisLet the Means on it I need to watch that as well then, don't I? Afterwards.

LeeI

AdamI'm not going to.

LeeIf you get the chance, then I think you should I'm not going to lie, I enjoyed the remake. It's a film.

ChrisYou might be able to get an argument going then.

AdamWell yeah, yeah. You may be able to. It's worth a go. I just I felt without spoilers they made it different. It wasn't just let's reshoot it because people can't to read subtitles.

AdamThey changed the story in around enough to make it more relevant for an American audience, which I Yeah, I think oh no fair fair play to him that that it isn't it isn't like like a shot for shot remake essentially.

AdamIt's like you said it's not for lazy people who can't read subtitles.

LeeYeah.

AdamOr maybe it is and they thought well seeing as we're remaking it let's

LeeYeah. While we're here.

AdamGo. Right, so thanks everyone so much for listening everybody. go and check out Let the Right One In ready for next week. Go and check out Night of the Eagle if you haven't already.

LeeGo and listen to Not for Everyone.

AdamListen to Not for Everybody. Not for Everybody. No, they're not for everyone. Yes.

LeeThey aren't for everybody, but not what they're called.

AdamNo.

LeeYes. And we will see you all next week for Let the Right One In. Good night.

AdamNo, good night.

ChrisGood night.

LeeHow did I get their name wrong rough? Fucking Mel.

AdamPlease keep that in.

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