A Nightmare on Elm Street III

0:24LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26ChrisI'm Chris.

0:28AdamI'm Adam.

0:29UnknownI'm Jennifer.

0:31LeeAnd I cannot believe it's taken us 83 episodes, I believe, 84.

0:37AdamYeah, I think it's 84, yeah.

0:39Lee84. I would have said this film would definitely have been in the first 10, but we've only just made it to this evening's highlight, Nightmare on Elm Street 3 The Dream Warriors.

0:51AdamYes.

0:52LeeYes.

0:55LeeSo right off the bat, Adam is going to open a beer. I'm going to open a beer also.

1:00AdamOh no, it's an Iron Brew.

1:02LeeOh, Iron Brew.

1:04AdamYes, Iron Brew extra. It's like the Coke Zero of Iron Brew.

1:08UnknownI was going to say what does the extra stand for, but extra means no sugar.

1:11AdamYeah. but it actually tastes like Iron Brew, unlike diet Iron Brew, which tastes like I don't know, piss if you drank battery acid.

1:23LeeNice.

1:24UnknownLovely.

1:26ChrisIs that your celebratory drink, Adam, for July the 4th?

1:31AdamNo, no, this it's my celebratory drink and that I actually had some.

1:37AdamI was just very pleased to see that I haven't had an Iron Brew for a wee while, so it's quite nice. Do we tipple?

1:47LeeYes. So happy 4th of July. belated for our listeners overseas. Well done for escaping the tyranny of us terrible limies. Congratulations.

2:00UnknownThe tea might have been better though if they'd have stuck with us.

2:02LeeWell, maybe.

2:03AdamI don't know, I like the tea.

2:05UnknownYeah.

2:07LeeSo yes, so Elm Street 3 before we get into it, I'd like to say a massive thank you to Claire for joining Adam on a fantastic bonus episode, which would have gone up midweek.

2:22UnknownThey live together and he's got a big sharp claw.

2:25AdamYeah.

2:26LeeI guess this is true.

2:28AdamI'll be I'll be honest, it was mainly my assistance

2:30UnknownYeah, exactly.

2:31Adambecause because what because watching it was just a yeah, it just it was like oh yeah, I forgot there's all these new people, you know. There's people who have not seen Nightmare on Elm Street 2 and it's a it's memorable if nothing else.

2:48LeeIt is. I just started watching it. So I watched Elm Street 3 today with Lady Jennifer and we finished about an hour early, so I watched the first hour or so of Elm Street 2 because I didn't get around to it in the week.

3:03LeeYeah, it it starts off so well is the problem. Like it starts off pretty good and and I think it's one of the best ones for his makeup to be honest.

3:14AdamOh, undoubtedly Freddy looks great in number 2. It's like

3:18ChrisSo that's funny. Why why would it be different in 2 from say one of the 3?

3:23AdamBetter money, more time, more time to people have worked on it before, so they can refine it and everything else like that.

3:30LeeYeah, I think

3:31AdamBecause the the first film he's a bit covered in jam.

3:34ChrisWhen he is in the dark a lot.

3:36AdamYeah, but he's in the dark covered in jam. You you'd look at it. If if you would say you know, you you've just gone outside the the your apartment door, shall we say, living living in a quiet building, quite modern, and then you come out in the middle of the night and they're just in the hazy hazy lights of the of the hallway, the dimly lit hallway.

3:58AdamThere's a man with jam on his face.

4:02AdamBut when you first clocked him, that wouldn't be jam. That would be all all manner of horrors that would be. And just thinking about it, a man hanging around creepily after dark covered in jam is also quite sinister in in and of itself.

4:18AdamSo yeah.

4:19LeeCouldn't agree more that it's pretty horrible.

4:21AdamSo I've so I've sent it into Jordan Peele's Twilight Zone, but I've yet to hear back.

4:27LeeIt wouldn't be the worst episode on there. No, no, that's not true. I shouldn't knock that. I I actually really enjoyed that show, so but yes, so I watched it, yes, and it is very surprising a lot of things about it.

4:41LeeI'd also forgot the other thing that you were saying about all of the the things you didn't notice when you watched it when you were younger. so in it, Jesse is supposed to be what, about 15 or 16?

4:53AdamYeah.

4:53Leeand I noticed that you you you and Claire pointed out the terrible art on the in the hallway, the paintings of the house which don't match. but the most surprising one to me is on the outside Jesse's bedroom door, he's got a massive sign that says no chicks, which

5:11AdamYeah.

5:11LeeAs a boy of 15 16 years old, I I would have had exactly the opposite.

5:17AdamIt says but if if if you look at it closely, it says no out of state chicks.

5:23LeeOh

5:25AdamIt's it's like they've found they've found some really shit compromise. You know, someone came in and just said, oh do we have to have the no fat chicks sign on the door?

5:34AdamCome on. Come on, just think of that. So yeah, I think that was but again, the fact they've put that there, it's like well, you know, he's he's as manly as Liberace.

5:50Leeso before we get into this evening's main movie, Chris, have you had the opportunity to check out anything in the meantime?

6:00ChrisAbsolutely. On on your suggestion

6:02LeeOh

6:03Chrisand because it's the perfect time to do it, I watched the remake.

6:08LeeOh, okay.

6:10AdamOh yes.

6:12ChrisOh well, I did like it. No, I did like it. I thought it I do still like the the style, overall style of films from 2000 onwards. So it had all of that going for it.

6:28ChrisI thought the story was good, but I certainly and I don't know whether you primed me for this, I certainly could see how it was hard to like Freddy Krueger as much.

6:41ChrisAnd they'd kind of made him more of a child abuser. It was like he's much more fun in the originals.

6:51LeeYeah.

6:51ChrisSo he's almost you can almost like him, you know, outside from obviously he's doing bad things, but you don't have that sense of him whereas in this one he was just a dirty, horrible

7:00LeeYeah, they don't keep reminding you in the originals which are it's like mentioned in the first one, look he killed some kids.

7:04ChrisYeah. Yeah, but that's not the focus.

7:09LeeYeah.

7:09AdamBut what's weird as well because Freddy becomes almost like Freddy's like a trickster sort of

7:16ChrisYeah.

7:16Adamcharacter in the end. And so in a weird way, you know, it's kind of better off that they leave it a bit folkloory almost. He's like the Pied Piper.

7:27AdamHe's like some sort of Pied Piper figure. He took the kids away.

7:31ChrisYeah.

7:31AdamAnd then haunted everyone's dreams, you know.

7:34LeeThat is in the remake. There is a scene where they're looking at stuff in the library and one of the things they bring out is a book on the Pied Piper.

7:41ChrisOh which which you don't think of the Pied Piper in such a terrible way as you know, as you're saying it.

7:47AdamOh no, oh no, it was mythical.

7:48ChrisBut yeah.

7:49AdamYeah.

7:50ChrisOh no, I'm not suggesting it was I'm not suggesting it was a grand nonce, but he you know. But I mean

7:56UnknownHe was quite good if you wanted to get rid of rats and or children, you know, depending on

7:59ChrisYeah.

8:03ChrisYeah. In the originals they don't they they just you have a sense that he's probably done some terrible things and he's definitely killed them, but in this yeah, it's that's much more of the story and and so it's like it's it's it's good, but then I don't know whether if it wasn't actually Nightmare on Elm Street, it would be better because you're just comparing it to that idea and so I preferred you know, the original, the way they did that, whereas it still is a very good story.

8:32ChrisIt's just harder to like it. but I didn't so you said about the effects and I didn't mind the CG effects. I thought they were okay. I did watch it on my iPad, so it maybe that

8:44Unknownplay computer games and you've played computer games since you were I to you the world is just you know, poor version of CGI.

8:54ChrisThat may well be true, but I it it didn't stand out as being terrible CGI and although they'd changed the way he looked, I thought he still looked okay, just not typically how you think of Freddy.

9:05ChrisSo as long as I'd sort of tried to not have that expectation as much as possible, but so I and there were a few scenes that I did quite like the way they've done it in this compared to the original.

9:17Chrisso I I quite liked the ending that he pulled her through the mirror. so that but they again they're deliberately not making it funny. They're making it more real I suppose.

9:29ChrisThere wasn't much funny in it at all.

9:31LeeOh no, not at all.

9:34ChrisIs that what that is is was it like the sort of thing you know, where they like regularly do there was that big thing in the '80s where they'd always do like superheroes darker?

9:46ChrisLike they they they were obsessed with like oh we'll do we'll do Batman, but as if you know, he really was a bloke who went out seven nights a week knocking the fuck out of people in alleyways.

9:57ChrisYou know, and the psychology of that actually if it was a real world thing. You know like the sort of watchman idea. And I wonder is that the same thing they thought well, if we take this story, but then we apply the real world to it.

10:09ChrisBut it's a bloke killing people in their fucking dreams.

10:12LeeYeah. Yeah, there's only so much realism you can you can put to such a ridiculous kind of idea really.

10:20UnknownI think just having to spell it out for today's generation. Look, they're not going to get it if we don't explain.

10:20ChrisYeah.

10:27LeeYeah.

10:28ChrisYeah.

10:28AdamYeah.

10:29Chrisand and and the the actor was he was fine, but yeah, he wasn't quite Robert England.

10:34LeeIt didn't have the the height. Yeah, the voice Freddy's voice and and that's the thing I love about Freddy. So I know we're getting into it already. but as I mentioned before, everything about him is iconic, that jumper, that hat, the glove, the voice, like you can take any of those have them on their own and recognize them without having to have them all together.

10:54ChrisHe's yeah.

10:59LeeAnd yeah, I just think the new version

10:59ChrisYeah.

11:04Leeyeah, had taken those things, but they just didn't feel so without the voice and everything it just didn't work. And I just think goes to show what a sterling performance we got from Robert England.

11:16LeeIt was a relatively unknown actor at the time. yeah, when you give that character to somebody else and see and again like I said, he's a fine actor and he's in a lot of stuff.

11:27LeeSo it's not that they've given it to someone without any talent, but it does just go to show how much Robert England totally personified that role in his characterization and

11:37ChrisYeah, but equally I wonder if it was the other way around if you saw the remake first and then watched the others, if you'd have the same problem with it, you'd be like oh no, I liked you know, that feels like the correct way to have done it because it's so hard to say well, well yeah, yeah, someone who hasn't seen any of them.

11:57LeeYeah. Excellent. But yeah, I'm glad you saw the original and let's the remake, sorry, because yeah, as I say, I yeah,

12:04ChrisIt has meant I've got slightly a mix in the original remake and now the third. Trying to keep them separate in my mind, but and I don't know I did I liked the micro sleep aspect to it.

12:21ChrisI thought that was quite interesting. You you mentioned that as well. and I liked the fact that you got the adrenaline. That that kind of seemed like okay, because she was going to be oh god, trying not to spoil it anyway yet.

12:34Christhere was a yeah, just definitely a few bits that I thought okay, yeah, that that's all right.

12:39LeeYeah, I I think the thing is they've got a decent screenwriter to to have a go over it. I don't think the script

12:48LeeI just feel the problem is with the original so many things worked perfectly. So when the when the remake was a kind of mediocre version of it, I think that was that was what let it down.

13:00LeeBut as I say, I mean I say the script and everything and the actual story itself, I I didn't have any problem with. I just felt that it didn't quite reach the heights of the original and that's the problem.

13:11LeeYou're always just making a slightly shit replica or something which I I don't understand the the point of of doing that when there's nothing wrong with the original really.

13:21LeeSo

13:22ChrisYeah.

13:24LeeAdam

13:26AdamYes, my dear.

13:27LeeWhat did you see anything this week?

13:30AdamI saw lots of things, but I watched Tetsuo the Iron Man. I had a rewatch. because I got it on Blu-ray in an Arrow sale. they they're the distributors.

13:43AdamI can't remember the company's Third Window Films. But Arrow are their distributor. And yeah, like Blu-ray really really crisp or certainly the best I've seen it on the old like really high contrast black and white film.

14:05AdamBut yeah, just still an astounding film. A film that I feel that Chris has probably watched, but probably would think it a dream.

14:18AdamIt's what it's one of because it is it is a it is a classic of industrial culture.

14:23LeeOh yeah, definitely.

14:24AdamAnd it's definitely it will have been on at a club.

14:27ChrisSomewhere, yeah.

14:28AdamYeah, like it'll be on a screen somewhere or on a flyer or something like that. But yeah, it's a the very I mean it's a very strange tale of a man who basically metal infecting the world.

14:42AdamAnd it all goes a bit sort of near Godzilla. there's drill dicks. There's an incredible soundtrack. and yeah, I just so I watched that. I I haven't it's part of a double pack with Body Hammer like the second one.

15:02LeeOh yeah.

15:02Adambut I've but I've not I've not watched that as yet. And I really hope they release Bullet Man because I don't think you can get it. I think I've got it on an import Japanese DVD.

15:15Adambut it's not sort of been re-released along with the other stuff. And that I think is probably that's probably my second favorite of the of the lot. the only other thing I watched was Sleepwalkers, but I can't really count that because I thought it's late.

15:29AdamI watched Sleepwalkers and I put it put it on and ignored it. So yeah.

15:36UnknownSleep

15:38AdamI I think I I can only describe it as sleep watching.

15:41UnknownYeah.

15:43AdamI definitely I definitely watched it, but every single aspect of it slid off like a glass mirror in my mind so that nothing went in. I was just yeah, I was clear.

15:54AdamClearly I should have been in bed frankly, but there we go.

15:58LeeLady Jennifer and I watched one of your recommendations, Adam. You've been recommending this film for years as far as I can remember and I've had trouble getting hold of it, so I only finally saw it last night.

16:09Leewe watched Murder by Decree.

16:12AdamOh fuck, yes.

16:14LeeDefinitely a horror.

16:16AdamYes.

16:18LeeSo Murder by Decree is Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper.

16:26Leebasically the same story that spoiler alert, but basically the same story as From Hell.

16:33AdamYes, the same conspiracy to like like thoughts as from Hell, yeah.

16:39Leebut yeah, really really really sinister, really dark.

16:43ChrisYeah.

16:44LeeIt's a bit so bit I thought from what I'd seen it was going to be a bit Hammeresque. And I know Hammer was obviously serious at the time and wasn't as tongue in cheek as we see now.

16:55UnknownYeah.

16:56LeeI certainly thought this was a a lot darker than you would necessarily get from that. Jennifer's looking at me like I'm Rob.

17:02UnknownNo, yeah, it was a very serious film, very long and probably longer than it needed to be. Lots of sort of oh, let's talk for ages about this. but interestingly it did have a couple of humorous bits in it, didn't it?

17:16UnknownSo there were bits near the start when I was like oh no, maybe they are appreciating that this is

17:21AdamBut I think that's because they they get they get Holmes and Watson right.

17:25LeeYeah.

17:25UnknownYeah, yeah.

17:26AdamThey really do. It's like that bit because is that the one where right near the start where it's Watson trying to get the pee off his plate.

17:35LeeYes, yeah.

17:36UnknownHe squished his pee.

17:38AdamYou you squashed my pee.

17:40ChrisJennifer Mason, yes.

17:41UnknownIt's like that. They played straight and not in any way humorous, but you're watching it going you know, that's clearly ridiculous.

17:42AdamYeah.

17:49UnknownYeah, no

17:49AdamBut that's what I mean. They get they get they get the Holmes aspect right definitely I think.

17:56Adamyeah, but that is

17:57LeeYeah. And if if you count it as horror, we can always cover it one day.

18:02ChrisOh yeah, oh definitely. I'd be happy to watch this again definitely.

18:06AdamI'm glad I'm glad you enjoyed because I always knew it would be one you'd you'd dig.

18:10LeeYes, definitely. and the other things I've watched now these aren't horror, but they did feature ghosties and ghoulies. I watched the Scooby Doo movies from 2002 and 2004.

18:27ChrisThe that's the live action ones?

18:29LeeYes.

18:30ChrisUh-huh.

18:32Leeand I I I don't apologize for enjoying them, but I think I only enjoyed them for Matthew Lillard's Shaggy portrayal because he's absolutely amazing in them, absolutely amazing.

18:44ChrisYeah, it's spot on.

18:48ChrisYeah.

18:50Leeif you closed your eyes, you could almost think you were listening to the original, but it's

18:54ChrisYeah, it's really he does it astoundingly well.

19:00LeeYeah, fantastic. And I've forgotten that the opening scene of the second one like the title sequence just totally rips off the Beetlejuice. It's the same camera movement and the same music and everything.

19:12ChrisOh right.

19:14Leebut yeah, as I say, I quite

19:16LeeI quite another podcast was covering the first one, so I thought I should rewatch it before listening to it. and then I enjoyed it so much I watched the second one.

19:25LeeSo

19:27ChrisWell, are you going to watch the the new one Scoop?

19:31LeeI I think that's a cartoon the new one, isn't it?

19:33ChrisYeah.

19:34LeePossibly. Do you know what? I love Scooby Doo the original cartoon.

19:36ChrisIt is it was well written like you know, it was

19:40LeeIt was I was disappointed is the problem though. I was disappointed

19:41ChrisSherlock Holmes

19:45ChrisBecause you wanted him to get away with it.

19:46UnknownNo, it wasn't it wasn't Freddy meddling kids. They would have done. Is that it? You're rooting for the bad guys.

19:51LeeI watched every single episode and they were oh, it wasn't a ghost. It was never a ghost.

19:55ChrisYeah.

19:58LeeAlways let down, always. but yeah.

20:01AdamAnd with the slight readjustment it's also the Jimmy Savile case. Would have got away with it if I hadn't been meddling with kids.

20:13Leeso without further ado, we shall head into this evening's main feature. so as we said, we are covering 1987's Nightmare on Elm Street 3 Dream Warriors.

20:28AdamAnd we're only doing

20:33LeeNice.

20:34ChrisVery good, yeah.

20:35LeeNice music on set from Adam.

20:43Adamscore from the first one.

20:46LeeVery nice. Yes, so Chris, have you seen this film before and what did you make of it?

20:54ChrisYeah, this was one that I saw trailerred on Sky a few times. so I'm trying to think how old I was, but I I'd seen it. It had built up in my mind and I I remembered the veins scene and the the TV scene and they they were like just seriously like well, that is I've never seen something like that before at that point.

21:21Chrisso I think I did try and sort of definitely did watch it. I can't say that I watched all of it in the first viewing because watching this now I didn't remember some of the end.

21:33ChrisSo but it was such a nostalgic trip to watch it because yeah, like it's still so good. The the TV scene yeah, and the vein scene. And just yeah, well it's it's great still, you know.

21:48ChrisIt is just great.

21:51UnknownIconic, aren't they those scenes?

21:52ChrisIt is, yeah.

21:53Unknownand out and you go oh yeah.

21:55LeeNow I think the thing I say I've always obviously as I said before been obsessed with these films for forever. but I think what sets these apart from the other slashers of the time, so the the Friday the 13th movies and the Halloween movie, is that the teenagers in these aren't just a body count, like they're actual three dimensional characters and they've got their own traits and you really care about them, whereas I think with other slashers it's just here's a group.

22:23LeeSome of them are nice. Some of them are dickheads. They're all going to die. Whereas with these films you kind of really care about them. It actually focuses on on them more than just let's watch the killer do his

22:36ChrisYeah.

22:37LeeSo I despite the fact he's the best killer of them all, I think that pairs off really well that it isn't just a Freddy show at this point. It's still

22:43ChrisYeah.

22:48AdamI think they give him a lot of it gives Freddy something to react off to in so much as the first time round you meet everyone and you're you're kind of meant to care for them, but you just don't that much, you know what I mean.

23:07AdamYou know, Rob Rob's clearly a knob.

23:11UnknownOh

23:11AdamJolly Jolly Depp's ridiculous.

23:13UnknownOh

23:14AdamSo so I think yeah, you don't sort of you're not that bothered. whereas I think yeah, they do actually create a nice and then Nancy comes back and you realize oh yeah, I was bothered about her in this

23:27ChrisYeah. Yeah, I was going to say that yeah. She she worked. And yeah it's nice to see her come back in this.

23:33UnknownDid anyone else or did I just imagine it that her white hair is on the different side of her head this time round?

23:41AdamI don't know.

23:41UnknownIt's really annoying me.

23:42LeeNow you've said it, I do think you're right. I do think her grey streak has changed sides.

23:46UnknownYeah, we should go back and watch the other one now.

23:48AdamIt's quite an odd mistake.

23:49UnknownWell it does, exactly. That why maybe I imagined it but yeah it's nice she was back there definitely.

23:56ChrisAlso another surprise was seeing Lawrence Fishburne.

23:59LeeYeah.

24:00AdamYeah.

24:00LeeLarry Fishburne.

24:02AdamLarry Fishburne.

24:03UnknownIf you look at the credits at the start I'm like Larry Fishburne. They're like yeah of course it's Lawrence now. But yeah he had a good role.

24:12AdamObviously welcome to horror episode 54 of Vent Horizon

24:17LeeYes.

24:17Adamwhere we were first talking about the the marvelous Mr. Fishburne. Actually I mean this was the thing as well as you can you can it's like you 've got two proper impressive names again like Johnny Depp.

24:31AdamYou know if your if your film's got Johnny Depp in it and you and it's not just like a cameo, you're actually like a main character. Nowadays that really is that's all you need to sell your film.

24:42AdamOr it was, you know I don't know. And I think that you've got like Lawrence Fishburne and Patricia Arquette in this.

24:48ChrisYeah.

24:49AdamAnd Lawrence Fishburne was already like doing really cool stuff because he'd done like Apocalypse Now before that and

24:56UnknownYeah.

24:57Adambut he was sort of just on the cusp of huge. And this is Patricia Arquette's first film.

25:06LeeIt is. one of the things I learned from I'm going to have to put it out there. Anybody who is a fan of this franchise, I didn't mention it in the last episode and I really should have done.

25:15LeeAnyone who is a fan of this franchise definitely should own the Never Sleep Again 4 Hour Documentary.

25:21ChrisYeah I think I do.

25:23LeeIt's absolute, it's so solid, it's fantastic and it goes through every film in real data. and one of the things I remember them saying was that Patricia Arquette was almost written out after her first well she was almost replaced, sorry, after her first scene because Robert Shay hated her.

25:45AdamOh bloody hell.

25:46LeeSo in the scene when they're trying to restrain her and she's got their scalpel and she's and she cuts Lawrence Fishburne and she starts doing

25:57ChrisYeah.

25:58LeeYeah they had to do like 30 plus takes and Robert Shay was getting more and more annoyed and it was her very first scene they shot and he was close to scrapping her and having her replaced because she couldn't get it right.

26:08UnknownA little harsh though to give a you know first scene.

26:12LeeIt is quite a difficult scene. And the problem is just

26:14UnknownThey do that for a point to test her out.

26:16Leejust breaking into that random nursery room which I've always found slightly jarring about these. yeah that's a hard scene to sell for anybody I think. but yeah I I think she's fantastic in this.

26:29AdamShe is she is really really good. I mean and actually and then because obviously she's Rosanna Arquette's sister and Alexis Arquette RIP. but also David Arquette. And I'll be honest I've probably got the name wrong.

26:51Adambut he's in the Scream films as Dewey but I think that is the name of the

26:56LeeDewey.

26:57AdamDewey. Yeah that's it yeah. Sorry. I'm thinking of Scary Movie at that point, aren't I?

27:04LeeYeah. And I think yeah so but so yeah so there is a carrying on the Wes Craven association

27:13AdamYeah.

27:14Leeby being in the Scream films because Wes Craven wrote this one.

27:20AdamYeah.

27:20LeeSo although he's not back as director he's he did write it because he didn't want to do a second film but they went ahead and did Freddy's Revenge. And then that was a success.

27:33LeeAnd so Wes Craven is not an idiot. And he was like okay it's you're going to make another one. It will do it will do really well. I'll write it then because I've got first refusal because I created Freddy Krueger so

27:46UnknownNice.

27:48Leeyeah and I think that sort of apparently also he was his original plan for like his original outline for number three was what became New Nightmare.

27:59AdamYeah.

28:00LeeSo he was already preparing that like sort of 10 years on

28:04AdamThat that's the one where it becomes real.

28:06LeeYeah. That's the one where it sort of comes out into the real world. So he but they didn't want to do that so he shelved that and did and wrote Dream Warriors.

28:17AdamYeah so what I what I think stands out for me most about this one is this this is my favorite my favorite for Freddy. when he's like we say this is is makeup's getting better.

28:32Adamhe's more fleshed out as a character. He's starting to be a bit of a dick but he hasn't turned into a cartoon still yet.

28:37ChrisYeah. Yeah not completely yeah. It's a good balance.

28:41AdamYeah. So I think this was the kind of tipping I quite enjoy four as well but it slides away pretty fast after that really.

28:49ChrisI like like the finishing moves in this are impressive, aren't they? Like I call I call them finishing moves now because it reminds me of Mortal Kombat where you used to what the character does but then something changes in a surreal way and all of a sudden it's like whoa hey came out of nowhere.

29:04ChrisYeah.

29:05AdamBecause I think

29:05ChrisI'll tell you it's Go on. Yeah cool man.

29:10AdamI I was going to say it must have had an effect on me because I've now started having nightmares.

29:14UnknownYeah.

29:16LeeWe need it.

29:18ChrisI was quite pleased about that.

29:20AdamWherever you are Mr. Craven it has worked.

29:22ChrisHe's done a good job yeah.

29:24AdamYeah. I think it's also this is the this is the bitch debut as well.

29:31ChrisYes. Yeah.

29:32AdamI did I I did count there was two bitches. There was the Welcome to Primetime Bitch and bitch carved into Joey's stomach. So yeah. But it is it's not quite the bitch fest it becomes.

29:46LeeNo. It isn't. actually you saying about the mentioning the TV kill earlier Chris did make me think it's one of those I didn't pick up on it but yeah it's the fact that later on after she's dead it's like that was suicide and it's like how did she get two foot in the air to smash her into suicide?

30:01Unknownobviously when right at the start they kill off the guy who you assume is going to be the main guy.

30:05LeeYeah.

30:06LeeYeah.

30:06Unknownand the same when they do the red wedding and they're like well I'll just kill everyone. What's that all about? You know. So I thought that was quite a new thing.

30:07ChrisYeah.

30:08AdamThat's kind of what? But yeah I don't know.

30:11ChrisI I see my impression is that they sort of always hint at these sort of adult characters being a little bit like they just almost don't want to accept what's going on so they would just be like oh yeah you know we're not even going to look at the details.

30:13UnknownYeah exactly. I can't watch this anymore. Oh actually there's another several seasons but

30:17Unknownyeah it's interesting that actually they've been doing

30:24ChrisIt's just suicide done you know. We don't want to think about what else it could be.

30:31AdamWell I think there's I mean there's there's always the given thing about parental secrets in it. Although although me and Claire did obviously have to play the game with Kirsten's mom where sort of like starts off with Kirsten making the house and then her mom comes in and Claire said so prostitute

30:53Adamor slag.

30:58LeeYeah.

30:58AdamAnd yeah because it was the I've got a man downstairs.

31:03UnknownA guest she said a guest. It could have been email with a very deep voice asking for whisky.

31:05LeeI'm guest. Yeah.

31:08AdamYeah.

31:10LeeI was convinced there was a third bitch there. I'd already actually written it down.

31:14AdamA what yeah I

31:15LeeYeah I was convinced it was yeah. Where's the fucking bourbon bitch? But it wasn't bitch at the end and I was like oh man.

31:22AdamYeah I thought that that was one as well. So I think that it's this is you know if if we were I can I think I can use the term in confidence if we were real cunts like we could now say that it's the Mandela effect and we're special and we've noticed

31:38UnknownYes. Yeah.

31:41Adamthat the world has jumped a track rather than not for one moment looking at the teeming arrogance of that rather than I might have misremembered something.

31:52LeeOh there's definitely two dimensions. I couldn't have made that mistake. Yeah possibly have happened.

31:57AdamExactly. I mean that's yeah that's ego on a whole scale that on a whole new scale that really is. But I do think but I I think it might be even that thing where it was because this was this was definitely the one Freddy's Revenge was discussed a lot at school.

32:15AdamBut obviously just because of the absolute sort of not not gay subjects.

32:23LeeNo.

32:24AdamThe gay foreground of Freddy's Revenge.

32:28UnknownWhen was that well was that?

32:29AdamSo that obviously

32:31UnknownWas that the year perhaps when we were at school as well perhaps that

32:31AdamSo that I think they well 80 87 and 80 yeah definitely would have but it would have been when they were sort of coming out on rental. So that one was that one was obsessed over but then

32:46Lee85

32:47Adambut it was done in a but that was that was humorously referred to whereas this was the one where everyone was like the oh and there's this bit where he like pulls his veins out and he's walking around like a it's like proper how many killings

33:01LeeYeah.

33:02Adamschool stuff I remember. So I think a lot of the time was also people telling you the lines and adding bitch.

33:09LeeYeah.

33:10AdamSo where's the proper bitch? And I mean it's also the dick was fucking madness as well was just yeah that's just a lovely a lovely little moment. I think it you do start getting everything's this is the this is where you get the proper absurd stuff going on with the like not absurd but like the proper dream because Claire Claire pointed out the first film has dream geography perfect.

33:44LeeYeah.

33:45AdamBecause it has that thing of you walk places very quickly. Like you walk out of your front door, you're walking into another building. There's no journey.

33:54LeeYeah.

33:55AdamSo it has that sort of proper dream geography sort of feeling to it. Whereas this one is like right it's dreams so you can do giant snakes and fucking you know mechanical heads come out of tellies and so on and so forth.

34:10AdamSo yeah.

34:11LeeIt does but it's actually it's funny because I'd forgotten what a low body count there is in this film because although they start off with a gang of 18 teenagers or so only half of them die.

34:23LeeThe rest of them make them make it to the end which is unusual. No normally you get a final girl or a final guy. yeah and for them to start with eight and finish with four I think it is.

34:35Leeyeah they only kill half of them which is a lot less than I thought they'd they'd plan to do.

34:40AdamYeah. But then again is it the thing where like we said you everyone feels like an important death.

34:47LeeYeah.

34:48AdamAnd again that goes that goes very much to the almost to the the other side of what a slasher tends to be. It's like quantity rather than quality.

34:58ChrisYeah.

34:59LeeYeah.

34:59AdamWhere it's like with this you actually give a shit. And then people are killed off and you are pissed off that they get killed off.

35:06LeeYeah.

35:06AdamBut you are still enjoying Freddy's performance and sort of the way he's carrying on.

35:12LeeYeah that so they definitely do away with that later on in the series and do go more for the right we just it's all just set pieces in the later movies, isn't it?

35:21LeeI think really it's and I think that's what this one sets up but it does it very well whereas in the later ones it's like right we'll get eight kids.

35:29LeeThis is what they're scared of. This is how he's going to focus murder for them and it will just be a whole

35:33AdamYeah.

35:35UnknownIt's formulaic does it. Works it out. This will just do this. Done.

35:40LeeThat's what people like and

35:41UnknownWas this story is quite ludo really, isn't it? If they get ground to the kids and

35:45ChrisYeah I was going to say that making things a little more serious because what did you think about the nun scenes with his mom explaining and not excusing him but explaining that she was raped by a hundred is it a hundred

36:02AdamYeah a bastard son of a hundred maniacs which became

36:05ChrisYeah.

36:07Adamwhich became one of the many titles they would use.

36:10ChrisOh right.

36:11AdamThat that again like we were saying about this thing with Freddy Krueger where he's like modern mythology and like almost like a tulpa sort of thing of being willed into being.

36:22AdamHe even has a series of grand names that sound like they they sound older than him.

36:31LeeYeah.

36:32AdamLike the bastard son of a thousand maniacs could be something out of like I don't know like Mesopotamian legend or Lovecraft or anything.

36:42LeeYeah. And I think that's why it works so well. I think that they I think the way they flesh the character out in these first films where I mean I know obviously it gets ludicrous when we start getting into the sixth one and demons as you say demons have used him as some kind of a familiar or however that works out.

37:04Leebut yeah I mean up until this point Chris looks pained at that though. but yeah at this point they're just fleshing the story out enough and making it making it deep enough to to give him more as you say like a mythical feel.

37:21AdamI think actually because this is this is this is the Freddy episode in a weird way. It's like the first film's about Nancy.

37:30LeeYeah.

37:30AdamAnd then the second film's about Jesse and then I can't remember his girlfriend's name but her story and this is the one where Freddy's actually like oh this is Freddy Krueger.

37:42AdamThis is what he comes from. This and then they start even putting in things like the you know burying him in consecrated ground. Rather than a a car crush

37:55Unknownthat

38:01Adamcar dump basically.

38:03UnknownIt did seem odd. It was like is this really going to work if they just dig a hole in the ground where's all the

38:07LeeI did think that it's not consecrated ground. We're just going to stick him in a in a hole in a graveyard. If we walk all over it then it will just be dandy and wave across it a bit.

38:18UnknownPresumably I mean I don't know what happens in the next one but presumably it didn't work.

38:23LeeOh he comes back to life in a style you would not fucking believe in a million years. My favorite Freddy is around.

38:30AdamBecause I all I will say is this is this is something to sort of tempt people with is the I don't have as strong memories of any of the subsequent Nightmare on Elm Street films.

38:45AdamBut this but number four Dream Master does actually continue this story.

38:52UnknownOh I might remember it when I watch it perhaps yeah.

38:53AdamSo so you get Kirsten. It's not Patricia Arquette. It's a different actress playing her. But Kirsten's back, King Kade is back, Joey's back. And but I mean let's face it not to get not to get too far in to spoiler mode.

39:14Adambut essentially it's like oh here's these three people from the first from that film that you remembered. yeah we'll bump them off so we can get on with the new characters that we've introduced and they're just not as fucking interested.

39:28LeeNo. No.

39:29AdamYou know because you've sort of I don't know what it is but it is just like yeah because and yeah as Lee said the resurrection of Freddy Krueger. Lee am I right?

39:42AdamDoes King Kade's dog piss fire?

39:44LeeYes.

39:45AdamYes. That's what I thought.

39:47LeeThat's where Harry comes back to life. King Kade King Kade's dog pisses fire into the into the grave and brings him back to life because

39:54UnknownOkay.

39:56LeeWell you know what else is he going to do?

39:58UnknownYeah.

39:59AdamAgain sounds oddly folkloric.

40:01UnknownWho wrote this one? Was this still what's his name or was this someone else writing it?

40:05LeeSo the fourth one is is Wes Craven oh no Wes Craven is the characters. So they're saying he come up with the original characters but it's written by somebody else.

40:12AdamYeah. Yeah.

40:14UnknownRight it's someone entirely, okay.

40:16AdamYeah. Because I don't think I don't think he has an association with the other than the credits the character credits. He doesn't have an association with the films until New Nightmare again.

40:29AdamSo and I didn't realise this. There's a there's a thing out there much in the same way as there's the correct way to watch Star Wars now. And which is which is basically don't watch The Phantom Menace.

40:41UnknownJust don't ever watch that

40:43AdamYeah. And what was it? It's like yeah don't watch this. Start with proper start no start with Rogue One.

40:52LeeYeah.

40:53AdamThen yeah start with Rogue One. Then A New Hope Return of the Jedi no sorry Empire Strikes Back. Then Revenge of the Sith as a as a flashback.

41:06Unknownokay.

41:06AdamTo flesh out Darth Vader and then yeah and then Return of the Jedi.

41:11UnknownSo sneak that one in the middle when you you know you've seen a lot of good films. You're not going to watch too much.

41:15AdamYes. I wonder if you could do that actually take little clips out of the the prequels you know because they they must have a couple of tiny few seconds of value in there somewhere.

41:28LeeIf you can well if you can cut it as well as the Jedi Star Wars you know that's done.

41:34UnknownGenius.

41:35AdamYeah simply beautifully.

41:38Leeyeah and the other thing with this that I'd forgotten as well is just and they did it in the first the first two as well. But what I love about this is there isn't that whole big long build up of you've got to wait half an hour or so for the first dream sequence or your first bit of Freddy.

41:56LeeIt's always right off the bat. Freddy is there before the credits are finished. And they they always get so you get your money's worth right off. And then it goes into the story a bit.

42:06LeeAnd I like that. Nothing irks me more than when you have to wait too long for what you've paid for.

42:14AdamYeah. It's so much it's so much better when it's like right within 15 minutes. You know right we've had 15 minutes. That's included one killing in the credits. Okay.

42:26AdamSo yeah we're fine. We're fine.

42:27UnknownI wonder if anyone has done any kind of you know grouping of horror films based on that. These are the ones that got their killings in straight away. These are the ones that made you wait half hour.

42:37UnknownThese ones don't even bother with. You had to wait at least an hour for any action. You know maybe that's something we could work on.

42:43LeeI think we've done it already. I think it's decades. If you watch them in the 19 80s they're pretty much like this. You're in straight away. The stuff from the 50s you get to see the monster in the last 10.

42:54LeeBefore that you'll see like a footprint and then maybe a shadow and then you'll see a claw.

42:59UnknownThat's because they didn't have all the technology. They couldn't you know make the whole monster.

43:03LeeYeah and it was just all at an hour and a quarter build up to five minutes of battle with the monster.

43:09AdamFor toy soldiers to fight an iguana.

43:14LeeI still love them.

43:16AdamOh yeah.

43:19Leeyeah you saying Adam about killing off the characters in the fourth one as well. That really pissed me off because one of the things I loved about this was the fact that the characters like King Kade for me is one of the best a quote unquote victims of this whole film.

43:35Leelike his lines and stuff is just amazing. And I was so gutted because he made it to the fourth movie. I was like yes he's in the fourth movie Yeah because they kill they kill them off really quick at the start if I remember rightly and it's like

43:50AdamI think they do.

43:52LeeAnd and in a weird way you sort of like right so Kirsten's played by a different actress. So you at first you're like oh well they've probably done that just because they couldn't get Patricia Arquette back so they've decided you know just best of a bad job.

44:08LeeSomeone can stand in and then we kill them off. And then the other two go and it's like oh no no you're just going to piss on everything all the it's it's the same room it's the same thing.

44:18LeeI don't personally I don't have it but I know it's the same thing a lot of people have with Alien 3 because you've got like

44:30Leeoh is it Hicks or Hudson who survives? It's

44:35AdamI'm not going to lie. I'm not very well versed in the Alien movies and I should be.

44:39LeeOh that's just completely gone.

44:41ChrisIn Aliens Hicks is

44:43LeeLike I'm on it. I'm on IMDB. So what's what movie are you questioning Alien or Aliens?

44:48AdamAliens. And who does who does oh fucking hell this is just like this there you go this is just

44:59ChrisIt is it is Hicks.

45:00UnknownCorporal Hicks.

45:01LeeCorporal Hicks.

45:01ChrisYeah.

45:02AdamYeah who plays Hicks?

45:03LeeBut there is also a Hudson. So Paxton is Hudson.

45:04AdamYeah who Yeah that's

45:07ChrisAlso it's Hicks who survives.

45:09AdamYeah.

45:09LeeYeah it's Hicks and like New, the little girl that she saved and everything else like that. And then they kill him off before the credits in Alien 3

45:18UnknownOh mean

45:19Leeto put to put Ripley back on her own. And lots of people don't like it just for that reason. That's the the problem they've got with it. It's it's like yeah but I wanted to see what happened to them too.

45:28LeeIt's like sort it out to them too. They're dead.

45:30Leethat's what happens that's life mate it's a shitter

45:34UnknownI mean with Friday the 13th as well didn't she survive to the end and then we see her pulled into the water out of the boat at the end but then the second movie starts with her and pre credits Michael Myers to Michael Myers you Jason Voorhees turned up for the very first time and slaughtered her in her living room before if if I'm correctly

45:57LeeI think you pro I think you're right there I think yeah there's a it's a I don't know whether it's just because people are like you know again it's like that focus group thing where it 's like people are saying well you've got to have these three characters in it when the new guy comes in to direct the new one or write the new one or you've got to have these three characters in there and they're a bit well I don't I'm not interested in them because I didn't invent them so I'll invent these other people who they know they'll kill them off then it's that's done yeah this is better now

46:27UnknownYeah maybe I mean I thought that it was you know thinking Game of Thrones that that was quite a new thing when they obviously trying not to give spoilers away to anyone out there who's been under a rock for 10 years obviously when right at the start they kill off the guy who you assume is going to be the main guy

46:45AdamYeah

46:46Unknownand the same when they do the red wedding and they're like well I can just kill everyone what's that all about you know so I thought that was quite a new thing yeah exactly like I can't watch this anymore oh actually there's another several seasons but yeah it's interesting that actually they've been doing that since the 80s then

47:01LeeI I think it's just there's a there's a especially because the 80s horror has a nice streak of nihilism about it

47:09UnknownYeah

47:10Leewhere there's a lot of just like no it's it's pointless and everyone dies so you know but I think that but yeah oh yeah as I was saying about the like viewing or ways to view apparently there's a group of people out there who say there's a Nightmare on Elm Street trilogy which seems to be the Wes Craven trilogy essentially as they say it's the first third and New Nightmare

47:37AdamOkay

47:38LeeSo you you that's like that and I I like I say I've really got to rewatch New Nightmare but I think that in my head that was kind of always how I found it I think they're just like the best examples in the series

47:52AdamI I've got to admit I didn't hate the third one I think I think the

47:57LeeThis is the third one

47:58UnknownYeah

47:58Adamthe sorry the fourth one I know they moved I think the problem is again they replaced Kristen which is fine but the character they replaced her with played her so entirely differently was was where the problem was so Tuesday Night played her in the second one which I know that talk about

48:23LeeI I'm I mean if if someone comes in and to be fair I genuinely think that both Lawrence Fishburne and Patricia Arquette really stand out in this like you can see that they're good actors

48:37AdamYeah

48:37UnknownDo you think they got lucky with that or do you think they just got picked to be the actors

48:39LeeI think they just got lucky I think they I think they just got lucky but I but it's definitely yeah you sort of have that element have that element of but then someone comes in called Tuesday Night I don't think they're a serious actor

48:56UnknownWhat else has she done

48:59Adamlet's have a quick check on IMDB and again they do that passing the torch so she comes in and then kind of passes the torch to Alice and Alice leads from there on in so Tuesday Night as as only had 61 roles

49:17UnknownWhat's she in Exiles Yeah She's a prostitute in something

49:23AdamSex Demon Metropolis and Vampire Madonna interesting

49:27LeeOkay

49:29AdamYeah she is in New Nightmare as well very briefly so yeah not an awful lot again she's it's not that she's a bad actress she just plays the character

49:40UnknownMaybe she was told to

49:42AdamYeah well possibly

49:43LeeYeah she might not have even watched the original

49:46UnknownMaybe she was told to do it yeah off your own

49:46LeeA lot no because a lot of people do it so they're not doing an impersonation of someone

49:52AdamYeah

49:53Leeor trying not to but yeah sometimes it can just be

49:56AdamThat's a bit strange

49:58UnknownIs it only to be fair like one scene she's in and then she's killed anyway

50:02LeeShe she she's in it because she has to she has to kind of be the she's the exposition

50:08UnknownYeah

50:08LeeYeah and also because her power is to draw other people into her dreams so again and again this is the ridiculousness of it like Lee said you've got a character who can pull people into their dream but you decide to kill them off but gives them the ability to pass that on to someone else and it's like but you obviously shouldn't kill them off at that point

50:31AdamYeah

50:32Leeyou know it's sort of

50:34AdamAnd the the girl she passes it off to when she passes the power off to Alice Alice also has the power to take other people's powers when they're killed so her brother is a martial arts expert he gets killed and all of a sudden she is a martial arts expert when previously he tries to teach her and she's got awful really yeah and and the second her brother is killed by Freddy all of a sudden she's a a master which is

50:58LeeRight

51:05LeeWhat so that that gives them the ability to kill off people legitimately seeming seeming

51:10AdamYeah yeah yeah and again it gives her the ability to go from a a mousy twee girl which she is she's very much a a quiet delicate little flower and because she absorbs other people's powers it allows her to become more and more powerful until eventually she can beat Freddy despite the fact she's kind of left on her own as I remember

51:34LeeBut that's number four

51:35AdamYeah that's not the one I was watching sorry

51:38LeeYeah

51:39AdamBut it's it's obviously a it's not bothersome

51:41LeeI think it's no but I think it I think it's just that thing it's we probably did we I think we did a similar thing with Hellraiser when we talked about number two a lot because it's you do get you do actually get a continuation of what's been going on but I mean like you say Lee it was like I remember everyone being upset at like everyone I went to school with was obsessed with King Kade

52:02AdamYeah

52:02Leehe was like he was he was the hero of the film as far as they were concerned and yeah there's the guy who plays who becomes the wizard

52:15AdamWill

52:16LeeWill yeah he becomes the wizard I I can't help but feel he'd be dressed like Harry Potter these days but but he apparently he was a he played Dungeons and Dragons anyway

52:32AdamOh really yeah

52:32Leein real life yeah and

52:35UnknownAnd was still an actor as well how did that work

52:38LeeHe was still he was still an actor but yeah so all I will say is leave some pussy for the rest of us

52:47LeeBut he yeah so he was like he basically wrote that scene as far as I'm aware or like his he just did them a he did them a dungeon mastering

52:59UnknownNice

52:59AdamYeah aside from Stranger Things is this the only film that's had like pretty serious attempt at you know portraying Dungeons and

53:05LeeOh

53:09LeeWell no there isn't you're saying about leave some pussy for the rest of it let's not forget Vin Diesels movie that he did what was that movie that he did that was based on the Dungeons and Dragons game that he used to play because he is apparently a massive

53:24UnknownGreat Disney

53:25LeeNo I'm telling you

53:26UnknownYou just I think you dreamt it

53:27LeeI'm I'm telling you Vin Diesel is a massive D&D nerd I'm telling you that film is based on the game that he used to play which is why he took it and I can't remember what it is I'm going to

53:34AdamWell

53:40AdamGoing to YouTube Lee is completely correct

53:42LeeYes

53:43AdamGet fucking

53:43LeeOh because there's quite a few videos of him playing and talking

53:47AdamAnd as if and as if Vin Diesel couldn't get any cooler

53:52UnknownNo

53:55LeeBut there's there's there's a film called there's a film called Monsters and Mazes which is like a panic TV movie about the horror of D&D leading your children down the path to Satan and this

54:09UnknownOh nice

54:10AdamIs there anything that hasn't led your children down the path to Satan

54:15LeeSatanism

54:16AdamYeah

54:17LeeIt was the last for anyone who was lost as to what film I was talking about it was the last Witch Hunter

54:23UnknownNo

54:23LeeRight okay

54:25Adamit was bloody awful

54:25UnknownIt was six on IMDB honey so some people like it

54:28AdamYeah

54:29LeeYeah people who play Dungeons and Dragons and back in Vin Diesel

54:33Adamalso the Dungeons and Dragons kid terrible will from the film Elvira real name the other thing I've seen him in he is one of the guys who hangs around with Elvira in the Elvira

54:49LeeYes

54:50Adamwhich is

54:50LeeYes I I saw that

54:51UnknownNo no he got some pussy after all

54:54LeeYes

54:55AdamElvira isn't

54:56UnknownYeah exactly

54:57LeeOh dear

54:58UnknownYeah

54:59LeeBecause the and like reading up about it like you say apart from there's oh there are four people who returned to this movie from the first Nightmare on Elm Street

55:14AdamOh

55:16LeeSo obviously Freddy

55:17AdamFreddy

55:18UnknownYeah

55:19LeeYeah and who else we got Freddy we got

55:23AdamHeather Langenkamp is back in this one

55:25LeeYeah

55:26AdamJohnny Depp is back in Elm Street 6

55:29LeeNo no no this is specific to

55:30AdamJohnny Depp surprising their characters

55:33LeeYeah specifically in this film

55:35AdamOh bloody hell

55:37LeeOh the the the father as well

55:39UnknownOh yeah

55:40LeeYeah John Saxton so that's the three also that bit where the teacher where the doctor is like musseling up John Saxton it's like he's got a gun and he could probably paste you across that well he's full Bruce Lee mate

55:55AdamIt's exactly what I said Jennifer I went this clearly never seen Into the Dragon because he's about to get his ass handed to him if he tries to start a fight with John Saxton he's an idiot

56:05LeeBut yeah and the third the fourth person rather

56:09AdamGo on

56:09Leeis a gentleman called Jack Shay not as in spelt differently to like Bob Shay is it Bob Shay

56:16AdamBob Shay yeah

56:17LeeYeah Bob Shay that's when you that's a Olympic ice bowl isn't it but yeah and he is the he's a he's a priest or vicar at the funeral

56:33UnknownYeah

56:33Leehe buries Rod and he buries Nancy at the end of this

56:37UnknownOh nice

56:39LeeAnd it's the same guy and it's just a weird thing because I was I and I obviously I checked it out but I when I was actually watching it I was like sure that 's the same bloke but then he's in it so briefly

56:50AdamYeah

56:51Leethat you think oh no they wouldn't have but yeah they obviously just were like well he's he's the Elm Street priest

56:57UnknownYeah that's it why not he lives local you know let's make him again

57:00LeeYeah And and obviously everyone's obsession is with Taryn as well

57:10AdamYes

57:12LeeJennifer Rubin has been in a film called Bad Dreams in which she is someone who recovers from a coma after they've been in a involved in a cult and then she is she wakes up in a mental institution and she has to fight a man who is stalking people in their dreams to kill them

57:35AdamWell I heard that story before

57:37LeeYeah seriously it sounds like I mean I I don't know I could be doing it a disservice but it sounds like it's pretty much like it is the plot to number three it's just the cult leader is is

57:50AdamIt was the very next year as well they didn't even leave any time for it to settle

57:55UnknownWell they were like that was good let's quick get on that bandwagon

57:55LeeThere was no yeah

57:59LeeYeah But yeah I didn't realise there's where is it she is in this is just I didn't realise there was a remake of the Wasp Woman but she's in a remake of the Wasp Woman as well apparently

58:13UnknownOkay

58:14Leeso like the old Coleman film

58:17AdamYeah

58:17Leebut that was around the same time actually the director of this is Chuck Russell who did the Blob like the remake the 80s remake the Mask

58:28AdamYep

58:29Leewith the Jim Carrey one not the Cher one Eraser Bless the Child and the Scorpion King

58:36AdamYeah so he's done so he's had a varying It's funny like

58:41LeeIt's a strange collection you don't feel like they're the same guy

58:44AdamNo they've got nothing in common and they're completely different genres to be fair I think they're all pretty good films

58:52LeeYeah they're not but I mean certainly I mean they're certainly well executed films and everything and yeah I think it's just again it's just a strange sort of little handful of films especially when it's something like because the Mask was a huge success so you kind of feel that you would know the director or mind you then I he didn't direct it but yeah the Mask 2 or Son of the Mask or whatever looks like looks like a shitty disaster splattering down a wall

59:17AdamYeah

59:23AdamYeah I've not seen it but I've seen the trailer and I struggled to get to the end of that I'm not going to lie and that was a minute and 45 seconds or whatever so

59:26LeeNo

59:32LeeNo I've I've I've I've watched someone sort of go through it online and Jesus Christ it it looks like a shitty nightmare

59:40UnknownOh dear

59:41Leelike just yeah it's how to how to how to kill a franchise in one film I think that's what that is

59:48AdamThank God because that that that first I think it the first one wasn't a all wasn't an awful movie necessarily but I think it suffered from that thing of being me it it was so big so quick and for so long that within 12 months you were sick of everything mimicking it and copying it

1:00:07LeeYeah they lost their powers some effects as well yeah

1:00:09AdamYeah Yeah and you were just so sick of you know people at work doing the voices

1:00:16UnknownUnlike Freddy Krueger which you know obviously everyone enjoys

1:00:20AdamNever never tired never tired of Freddy

1:00:21UnknownNever exactly never tired of Freddy

1:00:25LeeBut then you've got lots of but then you've got your irritating manager at work going smoking

1:00:31AdamExactly he's

1:00:32LeeAnd like in in his best impression whereas you want to hear him say welcome to Prime Time Bitch

1:00:37AdamDidn't didn't thingy go for Freddy Star went for a phase ripping off lines from the Mask and I was because again obviously not a Freddy Star fan but even I'm aware

1:00:42LeeYes he did

1:00:49UnknownHow did you know that then yeah

1:00:51LeeI remember do you know why you know this Lee and we go back to our childhood that he was on there was when they first started releasing stand up videos and they would have trailers for everyone else and yeah there was a and obviously yeah you just didn't fast forward through them you just left them on because you were sorting out whatever you were doing and but it was always weird because it was no there was no sort of market sense done with it so it'd be someone someone genuinely really good like their stand up DVD and then the start was like you'd get like Chucky Brown Jim Davidson

1:01:30UnknownYeah Burn After Reading

1:01:31Leeand Freddy Star yeah but lumped in with someone like I don't know I'm pretty sure like the Jerry Seinfeld's Live I had had them at the start of it and it's like that is that's mind you I suppose it's very sweary so that's the only thing I could

1:01:47AdamThe the Mary Whitehouse experience was the same it was like

1:01:50LeeYes it was

1:01:51AdamYeah why don't you watch Mike Reid what the fuck is Mike Reid

1:01:54UnknownMaybe that was for your parents they thought you know your parents might have been watching the start of the video with you and that's all the comedians they like

1:01:59AdamOh wow

1:02:02UnknownAnd they were all on Avalon Comedy or whatever it was

1:02:03AdamYeah

1:02:04LeeYeah

1:02:05AdamAvalon's still Avalon's still going mate

1:02:07UnknownOh God I'm glad to hear it actually

1:02:09LeeThey were they are still a huge company I I think that they do Taskmaster

1:02:14UnknownOh

1:02:16Adamyou like that

1:02:16LeeThey're still they're still like a huge management and production company yeah

1:02:18AdamLovely

1:02:20UnknownIt's working through season eight right now actually

1:02:23LeeOh nice which one's season eight who's in it

1:02:26Adamseason eight is a load of people I've never heard of but they're very funny

1:02:34Adamalso callback to a previous episode did you see the clips what when Jennifer is watching TV and burning herself with cigarettes did you see what was on the TV

1:02:49LeeYes

1:02:50AdamOh bugger yeah what was it it was

1:02:54LeeIt was Critters

1:02:55AdamIt was a

1:02:55LeeYes

1:02:56AdamWas it

1:02:57LeeYeah because I know every line of dialogue from that film so literally as soon as it started in the background within three words I was like

1:03:03UnknownYou were very excited didn't you honey

1:03:05AdamShe's watching Critters

1:03:06LeeI was like of course she is it's new line so Robert Shay owns it so he can put it on there and I don't have to pay anybody

1:03:13AdamYeah

1:03:14LeeNice But yeah so Critters is playing on the TV just before it switches channels to Jojo Rabbit

1:03:21AdamYeah

1:03:23LeeYes darling

1:03:24AdamGoing mate yeah

1:03:28LeeBut all in all Chris so so did this did this bring back happy memories of from childhood is that the right way of putting it I don't know

1:03:39AdamYeah no it definitely did yeah yeah it was it is funny like you say how long we've waited to watch these but it it that's feels like a seriously good landmark point

1:03:51LeeYeah definitely definitely I think yeah

1:03:54AdamI think they are and the problem is that was the other thing I think we tried to show you lots of sub genres and lots of different decades rather than just going these are the 10 best films everything after this is going to be a bit shit so I'm glad that we're still we're still eating out the cream this late on it's a nightmare you know that sounds horrible why did I word it like that

1:04:19LeeYeah like Lee

1:04:20UnknownWhat were you watching

1:04:22AdamWhat were what were you just came out

1:04:23LeeGreat British Wankoff

1:04:26AdamOn that note we're going to call it a day so we've got our next two episodes lined up

1:04:33UnknownOh I didn't I only got one on here

1:04:35AdamWell

1:04:35LeeYes

1:04:37AdamHave we We have Adam I don't know why you look confused one of them was your idea so

1:04:43LeeThat's that's was it

1:04:46AdamSo for the next episode we are going to be watching the classic Night of the Eagle

1:04:53LeeOh oh fucking hell

1:04:56AdamYeah Night of the Eagle fantastic movie classic

1:05:02LeeIsn't it in in America is do they call it Burn Witch Burn or something

1:05:05AdamYes it is called Burn Burn in America yeah

1:05:09LeeThey don't sound like similar things

1:05:12AdamThey don't

1:05:12LeeThey not

1:05:13AdamYeah I was going to say yeah one is definitely a more relevant title and and it is now and and then the week after that or the episode after that is going to be Jennifer's Birthday

1:05:28UnknownOh yes

1:05:29Adamso Jennifer has requested that we watch Let the Right One In

1:05:34LeeOh

1:05:34UnknownThe Right One In

1:05:35AdamYes yes not let me in which was fine

1:05:36UnknownYes Not letting you in no

1:05:41Adambut yeah so just to give you all the heads up to get your hands on those those are going to be their next episode so Night of the Eagle is next followed by Let the Right One In

1:05:49LeeOh that is some fucking quality mate

1:05:51AdamI know right How are we still getting into great films this late on and this is as I say this is what keeps this is why I love horror as much as I do as we say we're we're 80 odd episodes in and we're still watching films that we're desperately excited to show Chris

1:06:08LeeYeah Yeah

1:06:11AdamIt bodes well it's because this it's because the good thing is is that it's constantly updating as well where it's like you know oh you've got to see this film that came out last year which is astounding or you've got to see this film that came out when you know your great grandparents were were going to the cinema so

1:06:33LeeExactly exactly it's and these I think that's why I like these two as well so we've gone from the 80s Night of the Eagle I think is the 60s let me

1:06:41AdamYeah I think it's early 60s yeah

1:06:52LeeNight of the Eagle Blimey 62 it doesn't feel that old

1:06:55AdamWow

1:06:56Leewith Peter Wingard who we recently saw on when we were rewatching the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes

1:07:03AdamYes

1:07:04LeeOn Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes yes

1:07:06UnknownYes Yeah his memoirs it was very camp

1:07:09LeeYes

1:07:09AdamOh no it's Casebook

1:07:11LeeOh is it Casebook yes it is because it's the very last season

1:07:13AdamNo no no you're right it is Memoirs sorry Casebook and then Memoirs sorry

1:07:19LeeIf I if I get it wrong Sarah will be so pissed off

1:07:22AdamOh Sarah we're so sorry do you know what it is

1:07:24UnknownWe'll edit this bit out we're fine

1:07:26AdamI didn't even realise they were called different things I thought they were all called think think end need to put your glove on again the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes because we only ever you know, like we watch all We watched the whole 16 disc thing three times now.

1:07:38AdamBut we don't look read through the episodes or anything. So I just changed the discs.

1:07:42UnknownYeah, they haven't separated them or anything. Yeah.

1:07:45AdamYeah. And it's exactly the same titles. It just it reads slightly differently. So it will say the Memoirs in very small and then Sherlock Holmes. So I didn't even notice it changed until recently.

1:07:55UnknownNow, I mean, I'll try and I will try and work it out maybe. But I did notice that

1:08:11Unknownalmost goes into the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes music.

1:08:15AdamOh, yeah.

1:08:23UnknownSo So it's not It's not absolute nonsense that we've mentioned it during Night Gallery on the street. You could do a sort of Bill Bailey mash up where he mixes up, you know, all his songs together.

1:08:35UnknownNightmare on Baker Street. Yes, you see, you're there already. I expect you be listening to this next week for intro. Please, Adam. Cool. I'm in.

1:08:44LeeI think I think before we end, you need to put the glove on again.

1:08:48UnknownOh, no, I we'll be here all bloody night, mate. The best The best thing is is that this glove has been done properly. So it's got like the the holes

1:08:57LeeDoes look seriously good.

1:08:59UnknownIt's got the holes like as in Freddy's glove.

1:09:03AdamAnd one of the reviews on one of the reviews on Amazon was like one star. Fucking useless. Covered in rips.

1:09:15UnknownYeah.

1:09:17LeeNow Now does Claire let you call her Nancy when you wear it?

1:09:22UnknownOddly enough, I have to call her Rod.

1:09:28UnknownActually, no, I have to call her Coach Snyder.

1:09:32UnknownNice.

1:09:33AdamThat probably

1:09:35UnknownFor the best.

1:09:35Adamshould be left there. Not going any further. Yes. So next week 1962's Night of the Eagle or Burn, Witch, Burn if you're in the States. The following week 2008 Let the right one in.

1:09:52AdamPerfect.

1:09:53Unknownis Yeah, I'm so proud of you for choosing that. Aw, thanks.

1:09:58AdamYeah, it just goes to show you do know good films and you don't just agree with me.

1:10:03UnknownI definitely don't agree with you, Adam. I would I would like to also offer my thanks to Jennifer because I have not thought about rewatching it for a long time and I so desperately need to.

1:10:14UnknownWell, that's what suddenly occurred to me when I was thinking of a sort of birthday choice. What have I, you know, watched that actually I really want to go back to?

1:10:21UnknownAnd there's not many films that I find that's the case of and that just sprung into my head and I was like, yes.

1:10:30AdamOh, yeah. Get into it on the episode. But yes. I'm so excited. I want to talk about it now. right. So thanks very much for listening, everybody. go and check out the rest of the Elm Street series.

1:10:43AdamThat includes you, Chris. And thank you, Dave, for joining us again last week on our episode on the first movie. Thank you, Claire, for joining us on the second movie.

1:10:55AdamI hope all of us collectively will be taking our own time out to go all the way through the series.

1:11:02UnknownI think it's going to happen.

1:11:03AdamYeah.

1:11:04UnknownWe're in lockdown. What else are we doing?

1:11:05AdamThey're really not too. They're really I know they vary in quality, but they're all entertaining in their own way.

1:11:10UnknownThey're never unwatchable.

1:11:12AdamNo, oh, no. No, absolutely.

1:11:14UnknownStay alert, stay indoors and watch Elm Street.

1:11:16AdamYeah.

1:11:17UnknownOh, oh, well done, Adam. Yes.

1:11:19AdamOh.

1:11:19UnknownYes, I found this earlier when I was researching this is that this thing kept coming up and it was only when I was looking It was weirdly enough, it was Brooke Bundy, who plays Kirsten's mom.

1:11:32UnknownAnd so Kirsten's mom's name is Elaine Parker. And when I was going through looking at people's credits and stuff, she was credited At her last credit was as Elaine Parker.

1:11:44UnknownAnd I thought okay. And yeah, there's a thing on YouTube and it's literally this. It's hashtag make the nightmare stop. Was that I think that was it, wasn't it?

1:11:55AdamI believe that's it.

1:11:57UnknownYeah. Or no, hashtag stop the nightmare.

1:11:59AdamYes, that's it.

1:12:00UnknownYeah. And basically a load of cast from the various Elm Streets have all come together to do a COVID-19 PSA. Oh. And they redo they redo Freddy 's rhyme about but like as in sort of ways of avoiding infection and spreading infection.

1:12:26AdamI think it's bloody brilliant.

1:12:28UnknownYeah. And like Heather Langenkamp's in there. There was loads loads of people.

1:12:32AdamYeah, definitely a Elm Street yeah. King Kade's in there and it's just yeah.

1:12:36UnknownOff of the bottom of the thingy on the technology thingy.

1:12:39AdamOh, yes. If we remember, it will be in the blurb below. Yeah.

1:12:42UnknownYes. Yes.

1:12:44AdamExcellent. Fantastic. Right. Thanks very so much for listening, everybody. Go and check that out. Check out the two films we're going to be covering in the subsequent weeks. And we will see you all next week.

1:12:55AdamGood night.

1:12:56UnknownBye. Night.

1:12:57AdamStay in, stay healthy, wash your hands and shit.

1:13:00UnknownWatch horror movies. Yay. Sweet dreams.

1:13:04AdamBitch.

1:13:05UnknownBitch.