Rosemary's Baby

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror.

0:25 Lee I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:29 Lee Hey!

0:30 Lee And we are here this evening for another one. Now I say it quite a lot, but again, another film that I can't believe we've done 140 episodes and haven't actually covered it yet, but there you go.

0:43 Lee We are covering 1968's Rosemary's Baby.

0:47 Lee after it was mentioned by the Eri Esx girls recently.

0:53 Adam Yeah.

0:54 Lee and yeah.

0:56 Lee Quite rightly, it should definitely have been something we should have covered before now.

1:00 Lee So.

1:01 Lee Better late than never.

1:03 Lee Here we are.

1:04 Chris Yeah.

1:04 Chris There it is.

1:05 Lee But before we get into that.

1:08 Lee Chris.

1:09 Lee I know the answer because he's just told me off air.

1:12 Lee Have you seen anything horror related?

1:14 Chris Yes.

1:15 Chris I've been I've been a very naughty boy.

1:17 Lee Again.

1:19 Chris But I did remember something though that is actually, I think I can make something out of this.

1:24 Chris So when when I mentioned the witch, I'm just going to mention it again, and I'm tempted to mention it a bit later on.

1:29 Adam But.

1:30 Chris But Danny, who's been on the show before as a guest, for Cabinet of the Woods, I think it was.

1:37 Chris Another fantastic film.

1:39 Chris he mentioned to me about when I'd post on Instagram with my picture of Black Phillip.

1:45 Chris saying who knows what it is, Danny didn't know what it was.

1:47 Chris And he said he's excited for The Northman.

1:50 Chris Which then I went and read up a little bit on it.

1:53 Chris And you might have mentioned it to us, Adam or Lee, but yeah, it looks amazing.

1:59 Chris Like such a like fantastic cast of quite eclectic people, I think Bjork's in there.

2:09 Chris

2:09 Adam Which I can't remember, I can't remember who it was who said it to me.

2:13 Adam But someone did say casting Bjork as an Icelandic witch, is that genius or really lazy?

2:21 Chris Yeah.

2:23 Chris Fair fair point, I guess we will find out.

2:27 Chris

2:28 Chris Yeah, so.

2:30 Chris So I don't know when it's coming out.

2:31 Chris But funnily enough, Apple News decided to send me an article about it today.

2:35 Chris And it says here, this is from Empire going berserk.

2:38 Chris Robert Egger's wild, mad, brutal Viking epic, The Northman is the director's biggest, most ambitious film yet.

2:44 Chris And as Empire discovers, some of the blood, sweat and tears were for real.

2:49 Chris So I'm even more excited.

2:52 Lee Yes.

2:52 Lee I just looked it up on IMDB, that does definitely tick a lot of boxes for me.

2:58 Chris Yeah.

2:58 Adam Oh, you've if you've not seen the trailer, man, do check it out.

3:02 Adam Cuz yeah.

3:03 Adam It looks pretty damn fucking fantastic.

3:08 Lee Awesome.

3:09 Chris Yeah, I also got Anya Taylor Joy, who was in The Witch, quite young in that, and I loved her in The Queen's Gambit as well, which was about chess but done fantastically well.

3:16 Chris So yeah, I think she's fantastic.

3:19 Chris I'm very excited, I think this is going to be great.

3:22 Adam Well, I think also.

3:24 Adam It's because obviously he did The Lighthouse and then I'm not sure if he still meant to be doing it or not.

3:28 Adam But he then was meant to be doing a remake of Nosferatu.

3:31 Lee yes.

3:32 Adam I see it there. Yeah.

3:33 Adam But this is obviously what he's done what Robert Eggers has done next.

3:39 Adam And yeah, it's.

3:42 Adam Proper straining at the bit to see this fucker.

3:45 Lee Yeah.

3:47 Adam

3:48 Adam It just does look incredible.

3:51 Adam Oh yeah, spoilers and swearing.

3:53 Lee Oh yeah.

3:53 Lee There will be both of those things going on.

3:57 Lee only for the main film though, just to warn you all.

4:00 Lee Well done, Adam.

4:01 Adam Yeah, we can't we can't spoil The Northman is just yet.

4:04 Chris Not not easily.

4:06 Adam No.

4:08 Lee Excellent.

4:09 Lee So.

4:10 Lee Adam.

4:11 Lee What have you been checking out recently?

4:13 Adam well a couple of bits.

4:15 Adam I I think it might have been something that Richard Daniels from the Octarian of Albion had posted.

4:20 Adam but I watched on YouTube, a thing called The Norliss Tapes.

4:25 Adam And it's directed by Dan Curtis, who did some of Kolchak, I don't think he did the original, but I think he did the Night Strangler and maybe some of the episodes as well.

4:44 Adam

4:45 Lee He did what was the series that he did?

4:51 Adam

4:52 Adam Not sure.

4:52 Chris The Night Stalker.

4:53 Adam Yes, sorry, yeah, yeah, he was like one of the main driving forces behind that, he also and funnily enough, this was a film I was gonna I've got to recommend it to certainly to you, Lee.

5:03 Adam I mean to everyone, but I think you would like it.

5:05 Adam He did a film called Burnt Offerings.

5:08 Adam with Ollie Reed, which is just a great haunted house film, it really, yeah.

5:14 Adam and and also Trilogy of Terror, which is again well worth checking out.

5:20 Adam but The Norliss Tapes.

5:22 Adam The best way I could describe it is once you've watched all of Kolchak.

5:27 Adam If you still want to watch some Kolchak, watch The Norliss Tapes.

5:30 Adam Because it's a author who is writing a book debunking the occult, but then sort of gets involved with a sort of ancient Egyptian undead artifact curse magic thing.

5:45 Adam but it's got that same it has that because and the reason it's called The Norliss Tapes is because it's just he dictates all his writing.

5:55 Adam and it's so the whole thing has that similar feeling that Kolchak does of having the voiceover.

6:02 Lee Yeah.

6:02 Adam I'm I have to say, I think that literally this could be a Kolchak episode or something.

6:10 Adam You know, it's got exactly that feeling.

6:12 Adam well by which I mean it feels like you're watching a supernatural Columbo.

6:17 Adam

6:18 Adam And yes, the definitely definitely well worth a watch and

6:28 Adam The the other thing that I've watched and obviously we've been discussing this as well, Lee, is I well, I rewatched Psychomania for the first time in a long time.

6:41 Adam And that film just.

6:44 Adam I adore it.

6:45 Adam I am not in any way, shape or form implying that anyone should take that film seriously.

6:52 Lee Yeah.

6:54 Adam Because it's impossible to do so.

6:56 Adam But as just a rockous bit of an hour and a half's worth of entertainment of isn't that and the fuck.

7:06 Lee Yeah.

7:07 Adam You know, it really really suits suits that.

7:10 Adam I've asked Lee, we're going to put it on the list, Chris, so you will get to see Psychomania.

7:15 Chris Excellent.

7:16 Adam The the plot of which is basically I believe he's described on IMDB, thank you, my scientific advisor has coming with this.

7:32 Adam Also, just for just in case I believe in America.

7:35 Adam It is known as The Death Wheelers rather than Psychomania.

7:39 Adam but I think it's now they just know it as Psychomania.

7:41 Adam But here's the synopsis from IMDB, I'm inspired by you here Chris, because I know you you sort of liked it to go.

7:48 Adam An amiable psychopathic leader of a violent teen motorbike gang is spurred by his mother, a satan worshipping spiritual medium into committing suicide and returning to life as an undead.

8:02 Adam and it's got that lovely sort of how can I put it, it's got that lovely thing of British teen sort of thug movies.

8:10 Adam Like a Clockwork Orange.

8:12 Adam Where these teenagers are suspiciously the wrong end of 30.

8:18 Adam

8:18 Adam And but also, you know,

8:23 Adam It's got it's George Saunders's last film, giving it full Shere Khan as a very sinister butler.

8:31 Adam Beryl Reid is the mother, Doc Cotton turns up at one point.

8:36 Adam Tim's mate from Sorry is in it.

8:40 Adam

8:40 Lee Oh yeah.

8:41 Adam That that horrible little ginger bastard who's in

8:43 Adam Blood on Satan's Claw in it as well, who always plays nasty little.

8:48 Lee Yeah.

8:49 Adam Nasty little shit.

8:51 Adam and basically yeah, it is quite.

8:54 Adam It's quite something to be seen and it does feature what I consider to be the most infectious guitar riff in the world.

9:05 Adam I remember working it out once and I was so pleased, unlike everyone around me who had to hear it for about three hours.

9:14 Adam but.

9:15 Adam Yeah, it's it's definitely got to be seen to be believed from from 1973.

9:20 Adam So that's got that sort of thing of oh yeah, no one's noticed that the '60s are over yet, so everything everything's still a bit hippy.

9:29 Adam But yeah, also.

9:31 Adam And also the the thing that I think is the greatest touch of touch of reality about the film has to be the fact that the motorbike thugs are all relentlessly middle class.

9:43 Lee Yes.

9:44 Adam So that which just feels absolutely right and so much as it's always the best homes that produce the worst people.

9:53 Adam

9:54 Adam I mean going all the way up to our own dear Queen.

9:56 Lee

9:57 Lee Ouch.

9:59 Adam You know, and fortunately, no sweaty noncy in Psychomania.

10:04 Adam So, you know, it's.

10:05 Adam Still means to cut above our own dear Royal family.

10:09 Adam But

10:10 Lee Yeah, so it's it's definitely on the list.

10:13 Lee

10:14 Lee I I will be on it, I mean you might be better off, I was thinking you might be better off getting Bobby and Adam on it because I think Adam would love it and I know it's one of Bobby's faves.

10:23 Lee

10:24 Lee I am not a fan, so I'm happy to come and slag it off.

10:29 Lee I'll tell you what it feels like, you know when a TV show makes like a sitcom TV show or whatever.

10:33 Lee Makes a film and then tries to do something outlandish.

10:38 Lee This felt like if Emmerdale would try to make a film.

10:43 Lee That was exactly what it looks and feels like to me.

10:45 Lee And I fucking hated it.

10:47 Lee But I will gladly watch it again and tell you blow for blow, why I felt that way.

10:53 Chris You want a bit contrast.

10:55 Lee I've only seen it once.

10:57 Lee

10:58 Lee Yeah.

10:59 Chris Or it might grow on you.

11:00 Lee Not a fan.

11:01 Adam As as I as I say, this this the the entertainment of this film is not.

11:07 Adam To actually end point think.

11:11 Adam That's that's actually pretty good.

11:13 Lee Yeah.

11:14 Adam

11:15 Adam It is much more of just an strange curiosity, but I get exactly what you mean about the like the TV.

11:25 Adam it does it does have that feel of oh, we've got slightly more of a budget.

11:30 Lee Yeah.

11:31 Adam You know.

11:32 Adam Everything's on film.

11:33 Chris But we're no better at writing or acting or production.

11:36 Lee Yeah, you know all of these people and you've seen them doing their normal boring day-to-day slug, but suddenly we're going to transport them into this unreal world that's just a complete lunacy.

11:49 Lee And that's that was kind of what I I made of it at the time.

11:51 Lee It was a long time ago.

11:52 Lee I I will give it another go, yeah.

11:57 Adam As as I say, I think for the sheer the sheer mentalness of it.

12:01 Adam It's one of those things where you're like.

12:03 Adam It's like and again, it has like Robert Hardy is in it, there's some really sort of big names in there.

12:08 Adam But like Robert Hardy's in it and I can't work out whether he's shit or brilliant.

12:13 Adam I can't work out whether he's just playing an out of his depth police inspector so well or he's phoning it in.

12:26 Adam I am I still don't know.

12:28 Adam So.

12:28 Adam You know, it's sort of yeah, it is quite the quite the extraordinary piece.

12:33 Adam it looks pretty fucking great on Blu-ray.

12:37 Adam Although and here's here's the here's the tell of a truly cheap and obscure film.

12:41 Adam Is that it still doesn't look that great on Blu-ray, you know, it's it's the best it's gonna get.

12:47 Adam and yeah, and as I say the soundtrack is just.

12:50 Adam Fucking chef's kiss, it's fucking great.

12:53 Adam and yeah, that's all the weather.

12:56 Adam That's that's pretty much it.

12:57 Adam I did watch one other thing on well, I tried to watch one other thing on YouTube, but we'll come back to that because that does have a bearing on our main feature.

13:03 Lee Excellent.

13:05 Lee Cool.

13:06 Lee so I like you tried to watch a film.

13:09 Lee

13:09 Lee I tried to watch Werewolves Within on Netflix.

13:13 Adam Oh yes.

13:14 Adam Yes.

13:15 Lee no, it didn't work.

13:18 Lee It's it's a Do you know what, it's one of those things where I can't work out why it didn't work.

13:24 Lee The cast was fantastic.

13:26 Adam

13:27 Lee it yeah, it came out around the same time as Wolf of Snow Hollow, I believe.

13:31 Lee

13:32 Adam Yes, yeah.

13:33 Adam I think it did.

13:34 Lee And it has got a bit of a similar feeling in the dry comedy aspect.

13:40 Lee

13:41 Lee But yeah, it just didn't reel me, it might be one of those I just wasn't in the mood.

13:46 Lee I watched it literally for about 50 minutes and then stopped to go and read a book.

13:49 Chris No.

13:50 Chris I was.

13:50 Chris I was going to say, we are seeing a bit of a pattern, I think, so it could be you're not in the mood for this for some of these, because I'm sure you've said that a couple of times now.

13:57 Chris That on paper it everything is there.

13:59 Chris And then just somehow.

14:01 Adam Sometimes I think of it though like it's what I would refer to as stabbing Westwood.

14:09 Adam Where there's the band Stabbing Westwood, and as a nine-inch nails fan, you should like Stabbing Westwood.

14:16 Chris

14:17 Adam But I don't and they just made me think, I could be listening to fucking nine-inch nails.

14:20 Lee Yeah.

14:21 Lee It it did kind of have that element.

14:22 Lee It was that thing of it wasn't enough comedy and it wasn't quite enough horror.

14:30 Lee And it just couldn't hold my attention.

14:33 Lee The cast was fantastic and it was the acting was really good in it, considering it's a bit of a lower budget.

14:39 Lee It's one of those where almost everybody who turns up on screen, apart from the two main characters, almost everyone who turns up on screen, you go, oh, that's him from what we do in the shadows and oh, that's him from American horror story.

14:54 Lee Like you know all the people.

14:56 Lee but they just don't seem to gel together.

15:00 Adam Yeah.

15:01 Lee yeah and it's just.

15:03 Lee Yeah, I don't know what was missing from it.

15:04 Lee It's one of those things where it could be something as minor as the editing just didn't get the jokes to land properly and therefore it just felt flattish.

15:12 Lee

15:13 Lee But yeah, I was hoping for more unfortunately.

15:16 Lee But.

15:17 Lee

15:18 Lee Yeah, it was worth a stab.

15:20 Chris So I would say that's a great segue.

15:24 Lee Yeah.

15:24 Chris But if you've got more to say, go ahead.

15:26 Lee well, I have, I did also want to say the saying I'd nipped off to read a book.

15:32 Lee The other book I've been reading, which is definitely in the realm of horror, Adam, you suggested to me when we were covering Sherlock Holmes.

15:37 Lee Guy Adams, The Breath of God, which is Sherlock Holmes versus Alistair Crowley.

15:41 Adam Yes, yes.

15:42 Lee I'm only about two-thirds of the way through, but it's really, really good.

15:48 Lee So anyone who likes your big extended universe stuff.

15:52 Lee they've got Holmes and Watson really well nailed down in it and it's in a supernatural setting.

15:58 Adam Cool.

15:58 Lee Yeah.

15:58 Lee And it's going really well.

16:00 Lee So I'm I'm really getting into it.

16:01 Chris Nice.

16:02 Chris Excellent.

16:03 Lee and.

16:04 Lee The only other thing which isn't something I watched but that I did hear about today.

16:08 Lee So this is breaking news.

16:09 Lee I heard about two things, but one of them having done a five minutes of research, I think might be an April Fools because we are recording this on the 1st of April, someone did post that Netflix for Halloween are going to be launching Freddy versus Jason 2.

16:25 Lee

16:26 Lee Which which I was like, oh yes, I'm totally up for that.

16:30 Lee But when I put it in IMDB, it says it's a 45 minute short from 2014 with the same cover.

16:36 Lee So either it's happening and they've just grabbed the random cover from somewhere because it's Instagram, they need a picture.

16:40 Lee Or it's an April Fool.

16:42 Lee In which case.

16:43 Adam

16:44 Lee Fuckers.

16:45 Lee

16:46 Lee the other thing is an artist who I follow, who does like Gothic cartoon work, released today that he has been employed again by Disney because he's done some work for Disney.

16:59 Lee To work on a stop motion animation of The Haunted House.

17:03 Lee Haunted Mansion, sorry.

17:05 Adam Oh, well.

17:07 Lee so because obviously The Muppets did The Haunted Mansion Halloween just gone.

17:12 Lee Apparently, yeah, they're going to start work on a stop motion animation version.

17:15 Lee So.

17:16 Lee If that is true and he's not another April Fool, I'll be very excited about that, but I didn't have time to research that as well, so.

17:25 Lee That's just a bit of news for you.

17:27 Adam See that's that sounds more likely.

17:31 Adam The April the the the other was an April Fool where it's like, yeah, this will just get people excited for 10 minutes.

17:37 Adam And.

17:37 Lee And then they'll hate you for lying to them.

17:39 Adam Yes.

17:41 Adam They the other the other feels a bit just maybe a tag too obscure for I don't know.

17:47 Adam Yeah, so it probably does have the ring of truth.

17:50 Adam So.

17:51 Adam Yeah.

17:51 Adam I thought genuinely, I thought I thought this is how out of the loop Lee's got.

17:56 Adam It's going to be.

17:56 Adam I don't know if this is an April Fool, but did Will Smith slap Chris Rock.

18:02 Lee Yeah.

18:03 Lee It's funny you mentioned that.

18:05 Lee Talking of women with terrible haircuts who instill violence.

18:10 Lee Let's go on and talk about Rosemary's Baby.

18:13 Adam Whoa.

18:15 Chris Another segue.

18:16 Lee Yeah, I I have put in my notes at that point where he says you didn't pay for that haircut, did you?

18:22 Lee I was waiting for Will Smith to appear as the genie from Aladdin and slap him in the face.

18:26 Lee But luckily, he managed to get away with it.

18:29 Lee

18:30 Lee So yes, as promised, 1968.

18:33 Lee Rosemary's Baby.

18:35 Lee right at the top, we are going to say that we will not be discussing the director.

18:41 Lee As we've talked about that piece of shit quite enough on our ninth gate episode.

18:47 Lee So.

18:47 Adam Yeah.

18:48 Adam Episode 132.

18:50 Lee Yes.

18:50 Lee If you would like to hear what scumbag he is,

18:54 Lee But we are going to put that aside and let it drift from our minds and focus on this spoiler alert beautiful masterpiece of a movie.

19:14 Lee So.

19:15 Lee Oh, go on, Adam.

19:16 Adam I was just I was just going to say, there's there there is a feeling.

19:20 Adam In terms of like how someone maybe goes on beyond very horrible things in their past.

19:29 Adam Is that Rosemary's Baby, you want to keep.

19:34 Adam No one's that bothered about Jeepers Creepers.

19:38 Lee Yeah.

19:38 Lee Yeah, yeah.

19:40 Adam You know, so I think yeah.

19:42 Lee I think that lets us know.

19:43 Lee So, Chris, had you seen this film before and what did you make of it this time?

19:49 Chris So I hadn't, I've heard you mention it for years.

19:52 Chris Probably before we even started doing the podcast, you may have mentioned it.

19:57 Chris

19:59 Chris Yeah, so obviously I heard about it a lot.

20:02 Chris I I.

20:04 Chris

20:06 Chris I'm trying to think, the best way I can sum it up is.

20:10 Chris I like everything about it, somehow I don't quite like it.

20:14 Chris And I think it's the ending.

20:17 Lee Oh.

20:18 Chris Like somehow I just didn't really like the actual story.

20:21 Chris And I and this is where I'm going to mention The Witch again.

20:24 Chris Is that I really loved The Witch in that you can take it as either.

20:27 Chris And obviously we debated a bit about what ending you might prefer.

20:30 Chris But the fact that you really can take it as either, I just so much prefer that.

20:35 Chris Whereas this, when they really are all witches, it just seemed a bit like, oh, and then and then this is where, you know, we've argued over if a film is a bit funny, is it meant to be a spoof?

20:47 Chris And for me, this falls in the realm of then feeling like a spoof.

20:51 Chris Because it's like, well, you're they're not like that's not really how witches would be.

20:55 Chris Is it all just standing around and then there's the devil baby and then there's a guy taking photos?

21:01 Chris It's like that feels spoofish.

21:03 Lee See, I think that's the thing.

21:04 Chris And it doesn't fit the whole rest of the film.

21:05 Lee I think what I like about this is that it does set it in the real world.

21:08 Lee Where they are real people with real jobs and real life, but they're going through.

21:12 Chris Yeah.

21:13 Chris So I liked that bit.

21:14 Lee Yeah.

21:14 Chris I liked that all the way through.

21:16 Lee Yeah.

21:17 Chris But then it's just when they're just sort of all milling around, it's like what is that just how they just hang out in their room.

21:24 Chris A bit.

21:24 Chris I don't know, just felt really odd.

21:26 Chris I couldn't.

21:28 Adam See, I I think I think you're I think I think I'm with you, Lee, I think it's the it's that real.

21:36 Adam Domesticness of everyone like particularly the Coven that really sells it.

21:40 Adam Sells the reality of it.

21:41 Adam In a weird way.

21:42 Chris So so it might be that we have to watch some more.

21:44 Chris Where they perhaps touch on this, but I just I'm just trying to imagine that in the real world and it's like it just breaks down for me.

21:53 Chris I just can't quite see how that would actually work.

21:54 Chris And when when you're trying to make it seem real, then it feels like it needs to be something that I would believe.

21:57 Chris Now, it might just be I have no experience of people in, you know, that sort of lifestyle where that is how they would all act together.

22:04 Chris That's that's possibly true.

22:04 Chris But yeah, like it's just that I start to question where if you're trying to make it seem very real, I feel like there's a few more details that you perhaps need to cover to convince me.

22:17 Lee It's.

22:17 Lee The reason it it as we were saying about it working is because I mean, if you take somebody who you know.

22:21 Lee Who has who's devoutly religious, like they just have a normal life the same as you and I.

22:25 Lee But then they have this it's always in the back of their mind and they have a strong belief.

22:29 Lee And this felt like this just felt like they don't go to church.

22:33 Chris That that's fine.

22:34 Chris That would be fine.

22:35 Lee Yeah.

22:35 Chris When they start.

22:36 Chris But when they start doing all the actions of manipulating, like you don't tend to get religious people doing a lot of that.

22:39 Chris And so it's that combination of.

22:42 Chris Not not in not in a.

22:44 Lee Yeah.

22:45 Adam I know.

22:45 Chris Like not where they're all sort of scheming together and they got the doctors involved and it's like, it's just getting a little bit too big conspiracy.

22:54 Chris And it's like, you couldn't easily keep that working, I don't think.

22:56 Chris Like not where you've really got the devil appearing and doing things.

22:58 Adam Or thinking about it.

23:00 Adam I mean, I would I would argue that the greatest conspiracy is keeping everyone in line by promising them a better life later.

23:05 Lee Yeah, exactly, yeah.

23:06 Chris Absolutely.

23:07 Chris Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's not that's not sort of that's not mundane actions.

23:11 Chris That's sort of like some grand ethereal, you know, we'll say it and it's going to be there.

23:16 Chris But we don't actually have to do anything about it right now, whereas this, you've got to do a lot of working together.

23:20 Chris A lot of communicating sort of.

23:23 Chris It's just like that's just seems like quite a lot.

23:25 Chris Now, it might be possible, but whereas I think if they hadn't had that sort of.

23:30 Chris Broad end scene where they're obviously feeding her, and I suppose at the time, I was sort of thinking, why are they that bothered about her?

23:40 Chris Obviously, at the very end, you realize that they.

23:44 Chris At least some of them, they do perhaps, in fact, it's called Roman, wants to bring her into the Coven.

23:51 Chris And so it's like, okay, yeah.

23:52 Chris That that makes sense.

23:54 Chris He wants to.

23:55 Chris Some of the others perhaps aren't so keen on her,

23:58 Chris But yeah, it's almost like I'd like more details about all of them to kind of really be happy that that it's it's sort of meshes properly.

24:05 Adam But then I think even that probably sells the idea in so much as they're not all quite on board.

24:10 Chris Yeah, yeah.

24:11 Lee Yeah.

24:12 Lee Because they're.

24:13 Adam In the same way.

24:14 Lee Because they're the worst place, everyone's got their own personalities and you know, you've got people who are disagreeing with others.

24:18 Lee And you've got little cliques within the main group.

24:21 Lee And that's that's how it felt to me.

24:22 Lee That was why it felt.

24:23 Lee I I that last scene, I've got to say.

24:26 Lee When on longer than I remember and I had forgotten the pivotal moment where she you can see her thinking of succumbing to it.

24:31 Lee And I'd forgotten that that happened, I obviously remember the what have you done to its eyes bit.

24:36 Adam Yeah.

24:37 Lee But I'd forgotten afterwards, yeah, how they do kind of talk around as you say, Roman sort of starts to convince her.

24:43 Lee And and and against the wishes of some of the others clearly wants to keep her in the.

24:48 Lee Roman who I've got to say.

24:50 Lee I did have to check at one point, I was so convinced that that was bloody Roger Corman.

24:55 Lee I was like, how is he not Roger Corman.

24:56 Adam I know.

24:57 Adam What do you mean?

24:58 Adam I know what you mean.

24:58 Adam The thing is Roger Corman would have been much younger at the point that this was made.

25:02 Lee Yeah.

25:03 Lee That's what.

25:03 Lee I thought, I was like, it looks like Roger Corman now, so I thought either he's aged very well over the last 60 years, he had a very rough beginning to his life and he's been on easy street since.

25:08 Lee Or.

25:10 Adam Well.

25:10 Adam I mean, I'll sort of mention it now now that you've brought up Roman, or Stephen.

25:17 Adam

25:18 Adam But there is a sequel to Rosemary's Baby, which is a TV movie called Look What's Happened to Rosemary's Baby.

25:27 Lee Yeah.

25:28 Lee Right.

25:28 Lee It's a little bit lately, but all right, I'll go with it.

25:31 Adam Very.

25:31 Adam Very, I was I was thinking that either or with Bruce Willis as the voice of Andrew.

25:35 Lee Yeah.

25:36 Chris And is is he.

25:36 Chris Ugly in the cradle, or beautiful at the table, or does he keep his father's eyes all the way through.

25:41 Adam He's got he's got a he's got at one point he has got what can only be described as a monkey doll's hand.

25:45 Lee Yeah.

25:46 Adam Right.

25:47 Adam I'll I'll be honest, I tried to watch this.

25:49 Lee Monkey bastard hands.

25:50 Adam Monkey bastard hands, I tried to watch it and frankly, it was shit.

25:53 Adam

25:54 Adam No, it was.

25:55 Adam It was fucking awful.

25:56 Adam because it was like,

25:59 Adam It was just such it was it was I it was I it was clearly a TV movie.

26:06 Adam

26:06 Adam But also and this is this is the weird bit, so Ruth Gordon returns as Minnie.

26:13 Lee She was fantastic.

26:14 Adam Yeah, yeah, who was.

26:16 Lee Does good.

26:17 Adam Yeah, well, I mean, she got an Oscar for this at like 78 or something like that.

26:20 Lee Unbelievable.

26:21 Adam And she'd actually had a period of not acting.

26:24 Adam and then yeah, suddenly it's like, oh, well, I might be doing.

26:27 Adam Something all right then if I just won an Oscar in my '70s, you know.

26:30 Chris I do think that the acting and interactions and dialogue.

26:32 Chris I think throughout was fantastic.

26:33 Adam I tell you what the the worst thing is that Mia Farrow wasn't even fucking nominated.

26:36 Chris Oh, right.

26:37 Lee Right.

26:37 Lee That's unbelievable.

26:39 Adam She does.

26:40 Chris That is surprising.

26:42 Adam And it's weird because you get her role.

26:46 Adam Is often a role that you would not take to, if you see what I mean.

26:50 Adam Because you'd be like, oh, get some backbone, or do you know what I mean?

26:54 Adam In lesser hands, but you just are so with her and understanding of, you know, why she's in the predicament she's in, because literally every fucker is is gaslighting her and yeah.

27:07 Chris Yeah, and bullshitting her and everything else like that.

27:09 Adam And it's like.

27:10 Adam And you do, you know, all the way through it, you're with her.

27:14 Adam You really do sort of.

27:16 Chris Go with her.

27:17 Adam But the but this, yeah, so this sequel.

27:20 Adam Roman's in it.

27:22 Adam But he's played by Ray Milland, Ray Milland.

27:25 Lee Oh, no.

27:26 Adam he's the man with the X-ray eyes, he's in loads of likeman stuff.

27:34 Adam he is the man who Peter Cushing is telling the cat stories to in The Uncanny.

27:40 Lee Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:41 Adam And to be honest.

27:43 Adam When I was watching Rosemary's Baby, I was like, that bloke is so like Ray Milland.

27:47 Adam And then, yeah, I found out the sequel, I'm like, right, cuz get this, so you've got so like I said, so Ruth Gordon's in it.

27:53 Adam Ray Milland takes over as Roman and it was like, right, that's fucking natural because essentially the guy who's playing him is Ray Milland anyway.

27:59 Adam

28:00 Adam And

28:02 Adam Patty Duke is in it as Rosemary, and get this.

28:08 Adam The grown up Adrian or Andrew, depending on which parent is talking to him, is Stephen Mcty from fucking Pontepool.

28:16 Lee Oh, really?

28:18 Adam Like and it's really it's what it's that weird thing of seeing.

28:20 Adam Someone young when you know them as like looking like they're made of stone and been weathered on a fucking Icelandic beach for 40 years.

28:30 Adam So seeing him young is really fucking weird.

28:33 Adam But he but despite all of these really talented interesting people, the story's just sort of meh.

28:43 Adam Yeah.

28:44 Adam And it just and it's it's weird because I think it relies too much on the one thing this doesn't have is.

28:53 Adam It doesn't have because you never see the baby.

28:59 Adam You never have to have the powers or anything that makes it cheap.

29:04 Lee Yeah.

29:05 Lee I thought that was a fantastic call, never seeing anything of the baby.

29:09 Lee And literally just seeing the cart rocking, I thought that was a really good touch.

29:13 Adam

29:14 Lee Yeah.

29:15 Lee Again, and that's what I like this whole film is subtly uncomfortable.

29:18 Lee Like it's got nothing overt in it, but all the way through, there's just a constant air of menace, I think.

29:25 Lee I think it starts straight away from when they view that flat and all of the shooting is from down low, it's all shot up a high angle from like down by the skirting.

29:36 Lee

29:36 Lee Yeah.

29:37 Lee And it just gives it a really strange outlook on everything that just puts you on edge and yeah.

29:43 Lee It's it's very well done.

29:47 Chris I think the the music was good as well, right, the opening theme and at the end when it replays again.

29:52 Chris You know, so yeah, all those touches definitely set the scene.

29:57 Adam Yeah, because the the music's by Christoph Kada, who done who did who did lots of Polanski's earlier films.

30:04 Adam but he died the same year this came out, he was at a party no, actually, he died the following year because basically he was at a party in December in '68 and he was like play fighting with someone.

30:17 Adam And fell over like fell over like a hill, landed on his head, went into a coma and never came out of it and died like few a few months later.

30:27 Adam And

30:30 Adam again that's that's again and much like we had with The Exorcist and The Omen, Rosemary's Baby sort of fulfills that demon children trilogy of again, apparently being a cursed film.

30:46 Adam And I mean.

30:46 Adam Obviously.

30:47 Adam Obviously, you've got Manson the Manson like Manson family murdering Sharon Tate and everything and you know, which obviously, yeah.

30:57 Adam That's definitely on the fucking unusual scale.

31:01 Adam but you also got like the like I say, the composer died and he was I think he was like 35, 36.

31:07 Adam Oh.

31:07 Adam So.

31:08 Adam He was not particularly old and yeah, he just sort of died in quite a weird circumstance.

31:18 Adam Although I did see someone part of the basically one of the producers is obviously William Castle.

31:23 Lee Yes, I spotted his cameo this time that I don't think I picked up on.

31:25 Lee Last time I saw it.

31:26 Adam I definitely didn't.

31:27 Adam Because when he turned around, I was just fucking, yeah.

31:31 Lee Yeah.

31:32 Lee I was like, oh, it's him.

31:33 Lee Oh, it's William Castle, shit.

31:34 Lee Yeah.

31:35 Adam Yeah.

31:35 Adam Because he he's if you didn't spot him, Chris, he's the guy when she is in the phone booth and he's he's the guy who she thinks is Roman Dr. Sassteen.

31:47 Chris Oh, Sassteen.

31:48 Chris Oh, yeah.

31:48 Chris Yeah.

31:49 Chris I must admit, I did mix him up a couple of times, I was thinking.

31:52 Adam And and then it turns around, he's a bloke with a cigar.

31:56 Adam Yeah, that's really horrible the producer.

31:58 Adam But William Castle who we met on there's quite a lot of call backs on this one, but episode 33, House on Haunted Hill.

32:08 Adam and he was the mad director of that.

32:10 Adam Who would perform like he would he had gimmicks and would shock seats to get people to scream in the middle of his films.

32:16 Adam And stuff like that.

32:17 Adam He was a and he's he was like talking about, oh, it's a cursed film.

32:21 Adam It's like.

32:21 Adam Yes.

32:22 Adam You would say that, you absolute like sideshow barker.

32:25 Adam Of of a man that you are because there is no way that any publicity is bad publicity.

32:29 Adam And yeah, we're going to say, because he was saying.

32:31 Adam He ended up hospitalized with kidney stones and it's like, that is not the same.

32:37 Lee Yeah.

32:38 Adam As your pregnant wife being stabbed to death by a load of fucking mad hippies.

32:42 Lee Yeah.

32:43 Adam It's not on the same scale, William.

32:45 Chris Yeah.

32:45 Adam I'm sorry, mate.

32:47 Adam You know.

32:49 Adam But.

32:50 Adam

32:50 Adam But yeah, so but she's got like.

32:52 Adam and actually and here's an interesting little insight, apparently a teenage Tim Roth was so in love with Mia Farrow.

32:58 Adam He went and had his hair cut like it and felt like a prick.

33:00 Adam For six months until it grew out.

33:03 Adam I remember seeing an interview with him once.

33:05 Adam

33:06 Adam But the other the other weird in joke in here is obviously is when she meets Terry.

33:11 Adam The girl who the woman who the the Castlevetts have taken in, who was a former drug addict.

33:15 Adam Who ends up dying.

33:16 Adam and she says to her, oh, you look like Victoria Vetri.

33:19 Lee Yeah.

33:20 Adam That is Victoria Vetri.

33:21 Lee Wow.

33:22 Adam but she's playing she's using she's credited under her original stage name.

33:26 Adam Which is Angela Dorian.

33:28 Lee Yeah.

33:28 Adam But it is her.

33:29 Adam And that's yeah, so that's just weird.

33:32 Adam Who is in Invasion of the Bee Girls.

33:34 Adam Which I'm sure for guest Wes said he wanted to come back and look at at some point.

33:37 Adam

33:38 Adam So yeah, you've got Dr. Sassteen, who is Randolph Duke.

33:41 Adam From Trading Places, you know, one of the old boys who's the.

33:44 Adam Yeah.

33:45 Adam but he's I didn't realize he's also in the Wolfman.

33:50 Adam And ghost of Frankenstein and stuff.

33:53 Adam and Hutch.

33:57 Adam Good old Hutch is Dr. Zias from Planet of the Apes.

34:01 Lee Oh.

34:01 Adam And that pleases me so much because it makes you realize.

34:04 Adam It makes you realize quite how good the the makeup is.

34:07 Adam In so much as it still looks like him.

34:10 Lee Yeah.

34:11 Adam but he's he has a lot of experience with Coven.

34:13 Adam Because he is Samantha's father in Bewitched.

34:16 Lee Oh, cool.

34:17 Adam And.

34:18 Adam he's also the puzzler in Batman, which was a villain that I remember.

34:23 Adam It was like you couldn't get anyone to play the riddle of this week, could you?

34:25 Lee Yeah.

34:26 Adam So that's why I'm assuming the puzzler has been created.

34:29 Adam

34:30 Adam And and yeah, and obviously Ruth Gordon.

34:34 Adam and who was in like she's in Hamel de Mold.

34:37 Adam And and she's I can't remember she's I think she's Clint Eastwood's mum.

34:41 Adam In every which way but loose.

34:42 Lee Yeah, that was a long time.

34:44 Adam Me neither.

34:44 Adam she's in Scavenger Hunt.

34:46 Adam And.

34:47 Adam she's also something called Voyage of the Rock Aliens in which she's playing the town sheriff, no idea what that's all about, but I'm quite

34:56 Adam And in some.

34:57 Adam Like female animal house rip off called Mugsy's Girls.

35:01 Adam and but I have and this is just purely a fact that is going out.

35:05 Adam Entirely for my sister.

35:06 Adam she is the main villain in try and catch me.

35:08 Adam An episode of Columbo.

35:10 Adam And if you're very polite to my mom, she will do an impersonation of how she walks.

35:13 Adam She has got like a funny little shuffle.

35:15 Adam And

35:17 Adam Yeah, so my mom.

35:18 Adam There you go.

35:19 Adam I'll I'll get.

35:20 Adam I'll guess to put it up on the Instagram.

35:22 Adam Fucking like she's going to do that.

35:24 Adam

35:26 Adam

35:27 Adam But yeah, I mean it's there's also there's also a.

35:33 Adam there is a sequel book.

35:36 Adam Which Ira Levin wrote.

35:37 Adam But we are talking 1997.

35:40 Adam And it was the last book he wrote.

35:42 Adam And.

35:43 Adam Rosemary emerges from a covenant of juiced coma in 1999 to find her grown son Andy has rebelled against his satanic destiny.

35:50 Adam And become the head of a charitable organization promoting world peace, but circumstances indicate his Antichrist destiny is fulfilled.

35:55 Adam Regardless of his participation, and at a candlelit Millennium celebration, a deadly virus is unleashed that destroys the human race.

36:00 Adam Satan returns to Earth and drags Rosemary to hell, only for her to awaken.

36:04 Adam And find that it's before the events of the first book and film.

36:08 Adam And it was all a dream.

36:11 Lee Oh.

36:12 Adam So.

36:13 Adam There you go, Chris.

36:14 Adam You thought you had a bad ending.

36:15 Chris Yeah.

36:16 Adam Yeah.

36:16 Chris No.

36:17 Lee I was just about to say that sounds like everything, the exact opposite of everything I love about this film.

36:22 Lee Is that, you know, the subtlety of it has gone entirely out the window for that.

36:27 Adam Oh.

36:28 Adam Definitely, but then like I say, it was his last book he wrote before he died.

36:31 Adam And I think it's I think it's fair to say that he might have lost his mojo by then.

36:35 Adam You know.

36:36 Adam So.

36:38 Adam

36:38 Adam I didn't realize there's also been.

36:41 Adam In 2014, there was a mini series.

36:43 Adam Version of this with Zoe Saldana as Rosemary.

36:45 Lee Yeah, I saw that when I was bringing it up on IMDB, so I all the facts in front of me before we started recording, I spotted that, which I hadn't seen before.

36:49 Lee I might give it a go.

36:50 Adam And there's.

36:51 Adam An unofficial sequel segment in the anthology film XX called Her Only Living Son.

36:57 Adam but I've.

36:58 Adam I must confess, I've not seen that.

37:01 Lee No.

37:01 Adam Not that.

37:02 Adam and to where are we.

37:04 Adam I'm just seeing.

37:05 Adam I've gotta get.

37:07 Adam I think it.

37:08 Adam I think it is yeah, like you say.

37:10 Adam It's City of.

37:12 Adam City of the Dead.

37:13 Lee Yes.

37:14 Lee I adore this film.

37:15 Lee Let you all know in the dance.

37:16 Lee And it's one I think we recorded last time and we had a little 10, 15 minute chat after the end of the episode as we normally do.

37:23 Lee And then about 10 minutes afterwards, I got a text message from Adam that just said, what the fucking out haven't we covered this film and I was like, I don't know, I love it.

37:32 Lee I absolutely adore it, there isn't a year goes by that I don't watch it.

37:36 Adam It was much the same as how long it took us to get to Curse of the Crimson Altar.

37:41 Lee Yeah.

37:42 Adam You know, it's just a just a weird one where it's like, yeah, why have we not done that.

37:46 Adam So.

37:47 Adam Yeah.

37:48 Lee Excellent.

37:49 Lee Right.

37:50 Lee So.

37:52 Lee for our next episode, we haven't planned what we're going to do.

37:55 Adam Oh yeah.

37:56 Lee I just realized as we were talking, I was like, I should probably get that up on the diary that we have.

37:59 Lee So I know what we're doing next.

38:01 Lee We have a massive list of films as previously mentioned, but.

38:04 Lee so what I'll do is I've got three films that I wrote down during our last episode that were to go on the list, that haven't yet gone on the list.

38:06 Lee So, Adam, would you like me to just throw those three at you and your gut instinct pick one of those films.

38:12 Lee Okay, so we have Severance, the Danny Dyer,

38:16 Lee Comedy horror.

38:18 Lee 30 Days of Night.

38:19 Adam

38:21 Lee and as you pointed out, why haven't we covered it, it is definitely always in my top 10.

38:25 Lee We have not covered Horror Hotel, also known as City of the Dead, I believe is the original title.

38:32 Adam Oh.

38:33 Adam Yes.

38:34 Adam It's it's a toss up for me between.

38:37 Adam 30 days and and Horror Hotel, I think, just because obviously we did Triangle, which was the Severance director last time.

38:42 Lee But it's also the same actress from Triangle as well.

38:43 Lee She plays the the main woman in it.

38:45 Lee So.

38:46 Lee Oh, there you go, so it looks like we're going with Horror Hotel for our next film.

38:47 Chris Okay.

38:48 Chris Excellent.

38:48 Chris Good choice.

38:49 Lee Let me just.

38:49 Lee While you talk amongst yourselves, double check for our US listeners.

38:53 Lee that I have got you.

38:55 Adam I think it.

38:57 Adam I think it is yeah, like you say.

38:58 Adam It's City of City of the Dead.

39:01 Lee yes, I adore this film.

39:04 Lee Let you all know in advance.

39:05 Lee And it's one I think we recorded last time and we had a little 10, 15 minute chat after the end of the episode as we normally do.

39:11 Lee And then about 10 minutes afterwards, I got a text message from Adam that just said, why the fucking haven't we covered this film and I was like, I don't know, I love it.

39:18 Lee I absolutely adore it, there isn't a year goes by that I don't watch it.

39:23 Adam It was much the same as how long it took us to get to Curse of the Crimson Altar.

39:27 Lee Yeah.

39:28 Adam You know, it's just a just a weird one where it's like, yeah, why have we not done that?

39:32 Adam So.

39:33 Adam Yeah.

39:34 Lee Excellent.

39:35 Lee Right.

39:36 Lee So, thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

39:40 Lee don't forget to go and check out the Not for Everyone podcast.

39:44 Lee Don't forget to go and check out Eri Esx.

39:47 Adam Yeah.

39:48 Adam I hope you enjoyed the episode, ladies.

39:49 Chris Yeah, thank you for the recommendation.

39:51 Lee Yeah.

39:52 Lee Absolutely, it's again, it's another one of those that I was desperately came to talk about.

39:56 Lee And comes up on a regular basis, yeah, and we just needed a little prod in that direction to get us there.

40:04 Lee So yeah, I'm very glad we covered it.

40:08 Lee and we will be back in a Fortnight's time with Horror Hotel or City of the Dead, depending on your geographical location.

40:14 Lee And we will see you then.

40:16 Lee Thanks very much.

40:16 Lee Good night.

40:17 Adam Good night.

40:18 Chris Good night.

40:19 Lee My stomach could rumbling that whole time.