Rosemary's Baby

0:23LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror.

0:25LeeI'm Lee.

0:26ChrisI'm Chris.

0:27AdamI'm Adam.

0:29LeeHey!

0:30LeeAnd we are here this evening for another one. Now I say it quite a lot, but again, another film that I can't believe we've done 140 episodes and haven't actually covered it yet, but there you go.

0:43LeeWe are covering 1968's Rosemary's Baby.

0:47Leeafter it was mentioned by the Eri Esx girls recently.

0:53AdamYeah.

0:54Leeand yeah.

0:56LeeQuite rightly, it should definitely have been something we should have covered before now.

1:00LeeSo.

1:01LeeBetter late than never.

1:03LeeHere we are.

1:04ChrisYeah.

1:04ChrisThere it is.

1:05LeeBut before we get into that.

1:08LeeChris.

1:09LeeI know the answer because he's just told me off air.

1:12LeeHave you seen anything horror related?

1:14ChrisYes.

1:15ChrisI've been I've been a very naughty boy.

1:17LeeAgain.

1:19ChrisBut I did remember something though that is actually, I think I can make something out of this.

1:24ChrisSo when when I mentioned the witch, I'm just going to mention it again, and I'm tempted to mention it a bit later on.

1:29AdamBut.

1:30ChrisBut Danny, who's been on the show before as a guest, for Cabinet of the Woods, I think it was.

1:37ChrisAnother fantastic film.

1:39Chrishe mentioned to me about when I'd post on Instagram with my picture of Black Phillip.

1:45Chrissaying who knows what it is, Danny didn't know what it was.

1:47ChrisAnd he said he's excited for The Northman.

1:50ChrisWhich then I went and read up a little bit on it.

1:53ChrisAnd you might have mentioned it to us, Adam or Lee, but yeah, it looks amazing.

1:59ChrisLike such a like fantastic cast of quite eclectic people, I think Bjork's in there.

2:09Chris

2:09AdamWhich I can't remember, I can't remember who it was who said it to me.

2:13AdamBut someone did say casting Bjork as an Icelandic witch, is that genius or really lazy?

2:21ChrisYeah.

2:23ChrisFair fair point, I guess we will find out.

2:27Chris

2:28ChrisYeah, so.

2:30ChrisSo I don't know when it's coming out.

2:31ChrisBut funnily enough, Apple News decided to send me an article about it today.

2:35ChrisAnd it says here, this is from Empire going berserk.

2:38ChrisRobert Egger's wild, mad, brutal Viking epic, The Northman is the director's biggest, most ambitious film yet.

2:44ChrisAnd as Empire discovers, some of the blood, sweat and tears were for real.

2:49ChrisSo I'm even more excited.

2:52LeeYes.

2:52LeeI just looked it up on IMDB, that does definitely tick a lot of boxes for me.

2:58ChrisYeah.

2:58AdamOh, you've if you've not seen the trailer, man, do check it out.

3:02AdamCuz yeah.

3:03AdamIt looks pretty damn fucking fantastic.

3:08LeeAwesome.

3:09ChrisYeah, I also got Anya Taylor Joy, who was in The Witch, quite young in that, and I loved her in The Queen's Gambit as well, which was about chess but done fantastically well.

3:16ChrisSo yeah, I think she's fantastic.

3:19ChrisI'm very excited, I think this is going to be great.

3:22AdamWell, I think also.

3:24AdamIt's because obviously he did The Lighthouse and then I'm not sure if he still meant to be doing it or not.

3:28AdamBut he then was meant to be doing a remake of Nosferatu.

3:31Leeyes.

3:32AdamI see it there. Yeah.

3:33AdamBut this is obviously what he's done what Robert Eggers has done next.

3:39AdamAnd yeah, it's.

3:42AdamProper straining at the bit to see this fucker.

3:45LeeYeah.

3:47Adam

3:48AdamIt just does look incredible.

3:51AdamOh yeah, spoilers and swearing.

3:53LeeOh yeah.

3:53LeeThere will be both of those things going on.

3:57Leeonly for the main film though, just to warn you all.

4:00LeeWell done, Adam.

4:01AdamYeah, we can't we can't spoil The Northman is just yet.

4:04ChrisNot not easily.

4:06AdamNo.

4:08LeeExcellent.

4:09LeeSo.

4:10LeeAdam.

4:11LeeWhat have you been checking out recently?

4:13Adamwell a couple of bits.

4:15AdamI I think it might have been something that Richard Daniels from the Octarian of Albion had posted.

4:20Adambut I watched on YouTube, a thing called The Norliss Tapes.

4:25AdamAnd it's directed by Dan Curtis, who did some of Kolchak, I don't think he did the original, but I think he did the Night Strangler and maybe some of the episodes as well.

4:44Adam

4:45LeeHe did what was the series that he did?

4:51Adam

4:52AdamNot sure.

4:52ChrisThe Night Stalker.

4:53AdamYes, sorry, yeah, yeah, he was like one of the main driving forces behind that, he also and funnily enough, this was a film I was gonna I've got to recommend it to certainly to you, Lee.

5:03AdamI mean to everyone, but I think you would like it.

5:05AdamHe did a film called Burnt Offerings.

5:08Adamwith Ollie Reed, which is just a great haunted house film, it really, yeah.

5:14Adamand and also Trilogy of Terror, which is again well worth checking out.

5:20Adambut The Norliss Tapes.

5:22AdamThe best way I could describe it is once you've watched all of Kolchak.

5:27AdamIf you still want to watch some Kolchak, watch The Norliss Tapes.

5:30AdamBecause it's a author who is writing a book debunking the occult, but then sort of gets involved with a sort of ancient Egyptian undead artifact curse magic thing.

5:45Adambut it's got that same it has that because and the reason it's called The Norliss Tapes is because it's just he dictates all his writing.

5:55Adamand it's so the whole thing has that similar feeling that Kolchak does of having the voiceover.

6:02LeeYeah.

6:02AdamI'm I have to say, I think that literally this could be a Kolchak episode or something.

6:10AdamYou know, it's got exactly that feeling.

6:12Adamwell by which I mean it feels like you're watching a supernatural Columbo.

6:17Adam

6:18AdamAnd yes, the definitely definitely well worth a watch and

6:28AdamThe the other thing that I've watched and obviously we've been discussing this as well, Lee, is I well, I rewatched Psychomania for the first time in a long time.

6:41AdamAnd that film just.

6:44AdamI adore it.

6:45AdamI am not in any way, shape or form implying that anyone should take that film seriously.

6:52LeeYeah.

6:54AdamBecause it's impossible to do so.

6:56AdamBut as just a rockous bit of an hour and a half's worth of entertainment of isn't that and the fuck.

7:06LeeYeah.

7:07AdamYou know, it really really suits suits that.

7:10AdamI've asked Lee, we're going to put it on the list, Chris, so you will get to see Psychomania.

7:15ChrisExcellent.

7:16AdamThe the plot of which is basically I believe he's described on IMDB, thank you, my scientific advisor has coming with this.

7:32AdamAlso, just for just in case I believe in America.

7:35AdamIt is known as The Death Wheelers rather than Psychomania.

7:39Adambut I think it's now they just know it as Psychomania.

7:41AdamBut here's the synopsis from IMDB, I'm inspired by you here Chris, because I know you you sort of liked it to go.

7:48AdamAn amiable psychopathic leader of a violent teen motorbike gang is spurred by his mother, a satan worshipping spiritual medium into committing suicide and returning to life as an undead.

8:02Adamand it's got that lovely sort of how can I put it, it's got that lovely thing of British teen sort of thug movies.

8:10AdamLike a Clockwork Orange.

8:12AdamWhere these teenagers are suspiciously the wrong end of 30.

8:18Adam

8:18AdamAnd but also, you know,

8:23AdamIt's got it's George Saunders's last film, giving it full Shere Khan as a very sinister butler.

8:31AdamBeryl Reid is the mother, Doc Cotton turns up at one point.

8:36AdamTim's mate from Sorry is in it.

8:40Adam

8:40LeeOh yeah.

8:41AdamThat that horrible little ginger bastard who's in

8:43AdamBlood on Satan's Claw in it as well, who always plays nasty little.

8:48LeeYeah.

8:49AdamNasty little shit.

8:51Adamand basically yeah, it is quite.

8:54AdamIt's quite something to be seen and it does feature what I consider to be the most infectious guitar riff in the world.

9:05AdamI remember working it out once and I was so pleased, unlike everyone around me who had to hear it for about three hours.

9:14Adambut.

9:15AdamYeah, it's it's definitely got to be seen to be believed from from 1973.

9:20AdamSo that's got that sort of thing of oh yeah, no one's noticed that the '60s are over yet, so everything everything's still a bit hippy.

9:29AdamBut yeah, also.

9:31AdamAnd also the the thing that I think is the greatest touch of touch of reality about the film has to be the fact that the motorbike thugs are all relentlessly middle class.

9:43LeeYes.

9:44AdamSo that which just feels absolutely right and so much as it's always the best homes that produce the worst people.

9:53Adam

9:54AdamI mean going all the way up to our own dear Queen.

9:56Lee

9:57LeeOuch.

9:59AdamYou know, and fortunately, no sweaty noncy in Psychomania.

10:04AdamSo, you know, it's.

10:05AdamStill means to cut above our own dear Royal family.

10:09AdamBut

10:10LeeYeah, so it's it's definitely on the list.

10:13Lee

10:14LeeI I will be on it, I mean you might be better off, I was thinking you might be better off getting Bobby and Adam on it because I think Adam would love it and I know it's one of Bobby's faves.

10:23Lee

10:24LeeI am not a fan, so I'm happy to come and slag it off.

10:29LeeI'll tell you what it feels like, you know when a TV show makes like a sitcom TV show or whatever.

10:33LeeMakes a film and then tries to do something outlandish.

10:38LeeThis felt like if Emmerdale would try to make a film.

10:43LeeThat was exactly what it looks and feels like to me.

10:45LeeAnd I fucking hated it.

10:47LeeBut I will gladly watch it again and tell you blow for blow, why I felt that way.

10:53ChrisYou want a bit contrast.

10:55LeeI've only seen it once.

10:57Lee

10:58LeeYeah.

10:59ChrisOr it might grow on you.

11:00LeeNot a fan.

11:01AdamAs as I as I say, this this the the entertainment of this film is not.

11:07AdamTo actually end point think.

11:11AdamThat's that's actually pretty good.

11:13LeeYeah.

11:14Adam

11:15AdamIt is much more of just an strange curiosity, but I get exactly what you mean about the like the TV.

11:25Adamit does it does have that feel of oh, we've got slightly more of a budget.

11:30LeeYeah.

11:31AdamYou know.

11:32AdamEverything's on film.

11:33ChrisBut we're no better at writing or acting or production.

11:36LeeYeah, you know all of these people and you've seen them doing their normal boring day-to-day slug, but suddenly we're going to transport them into this unreal world that's just a complete lunacy.

11:49LeeAnd that's that was kind of what I I made of it at the time.

11:51LeeIt was a long time ago.

11:52LeeI I will give it another go, yeah.

11:57AdamAs as I say, I think for the sheer the sheer mentalness of it.

12:01AdamIt's one of those things where you're like.

12:03AdamIt's like and again, it has like Robert Hardy is in it, there's some really sort of big names in there.

12:08AdamBut like Robert Hardy's in it and I can't work out whether he's shit or brilliant.

12:13AdamI can't work out whether he's just playing an out of his depth police inspector so well or he's phoning it in.

12:26AdamI am I still don't know.

12:28AdamSo.

12:28AdamYou know, it's sort of yeah, it is quite the quite the extraordinary piece.

12:33Adamit looks pretty fucking great on Blu-ray.

12:37AdamAlthough and here's here's the here's the tell of a truly cheap and obscure film.

12:41AdamIs that it still doesn't look that great on Blu-ray, you know, it's it's the best it's gonna get.

12:47Adamand yeah, and as I say the soundtrack is just.

12:50AdamFucking chef's kiss, it's fucking great.

12:53Adamand yeah, that's all the weather.

12:56AdamThat's that's pretty much it.

12:57AdamI did watch one other thing on well, I tried to watch one other thing on YouTube, but we'll come back to that because that does have a bearing on our main feature.

13:03LeeExcellent.

13:05LeeCool.

13:06Leeso I like you tried to watch a film.

13:09Lee

13:09LeeI tried to watch Werewolves Within on Netflix.

13:13AdamOh yes.

13:14AdamYes.

13:15Leeno, it didn't work.

13:18LeeIt's it's a Do you know what, it's one of those things where I can't work out why it didn't work.

13:24LeeThe cast was fantastic.

13:26Adam

13:27Leeit yeah, it came out around the same time as Wolf of Snow Hollow, I believe.

13:31Lee

13:32AdamYes, yeah.

13:33AdamI think it did.

13:34LeeAnd it has got a bit of a similar feeling in the dry comedy aspect.

13:40Lee

13:41LeeBut yeah, it just didn't reel me, it might be one of those I just wasn't in the mood.

13:46LeeI watched it literally for about 50 minutes and then stopped to go and read a book.

13:49ChrisNo.

13:50ChrisI was.

13:50ChrisI was going to say, we are seeing a bit of a pattern, I think, so it could be you're not in the mood for this for some of these, because I'm sure you've said that a couple of times now.

13:57ChrisThat on paper it everything is there.

13:59ChrisAnd then just somehow.

14:01AdamSometimes I think of it though like it's what I would refer to as stabbing Westwood.

14:09AdamWhere there's the band Stabbing Westwood, and as a nine-inch nails fan, you should like Stabbing Westwood.

14:16Chris

14:17AdamBut I don't and they just made me think, I could be listening to fucking nine-inch nails.

14:20LeeYeah.

14:21LeeIt it did kind of have that element.

14:22LeeIt was that thing of it wasn't enough comedy and it wasn't quite enough horror.

14:30LeeAnd it just couldn't hold my attention.

14:33LeeThe cast was fantastic and it was the acting was really good in it, considering it's a bit of a lower budget.

14:39LeeIt's one of those where almost everybody who turns up on screen, apart from the two main characters, almost everyone who turns up on screen, you go, oh, that's him from what we do in the shadows and oh, that's him from American horror story.

14:54LeeLike you know all the people.

14:56Leebut they just don't seem to gel together.

15:00AdamYeah.

15:01Leeyeah and it's just.

15:03LeeYeah, I don't know what was missing from it.

15:04LeeIt's one of those things where it could be something as minor as the editing just didn't get the jokes to land properly and therefore it just felt flattish.

15:12Lee

15:13LeeBut yeah, I was hoping for more unfortunately.

15:16LeeBut.

15:17Lee

15:18LeeYeah, it was worth a stab.

15:20ChrisSo I would say that's a great segue.

15:24LeeYeah.

15:24ChrisBut if you've got more to say, go ahead.

15:26Leewell, I have, I did also want to say the saying I'd nipped off to read a book.

15:32LeeThe other book I've been reading, which is definitely in the realm of horror, Adam, you suggested to me when we were covering Sherlock Holmes.

15:37LeeGuy Adams, The Breath of God, which is Sherlock Holmes versus Alistair Crowley.

15:41AdamYes, yes.

15:42LeeI'm only about two-thirds of the way through, but it's really, really good.

15:48LeeSo anyone who likes your big extended universe stuff.

15:52Leethey've got Holmes and Watson really well nailed down in it and it's in a supernatural setting.

15:58AdamCool.

15:58LeeYeah.

15:58LeeAnd it's going really well.

16:00LeeSo I'm I'm really getting into it.

16:01ChrisNice.

16:02ChrisExcellent.

16:03Leeand.

16:04LeeThe only other thing which isn't something I watched but that I did hear about today.

16:08LeeSo this is breaking news.

16:09LeeI heard about two things, but one of them having done a five minutes of research, I think might be an April Fools because we are recording this on the 1st of April, someone did post that Netflix for Halloween are going to be launching Freddy versus Jason 2.

16:25Lee

16:26LeeWhich which I was like, oh yes, I'm totally up for that.

16:30LeeBut when I put it in IMDB, it says it's a 45 minute short from 2014 with the same cover.

16:36LeeSo either it's happening and they've just grabbed the random cover from somewhere because it's Instagram, they need a picture.

16:40LeeOr it's an April Fool.

16:42LeeIn which case.

16:43Adam

16:44LeeFuckers.

16:45Lee

16:46Leethe other thing is an artist who I follow, who does like Gothic cartoon work, released today that he has been employed again by Disney because he's done some work for Disney.

16:59LeeTo work on a stop motion animation of The Haunted House.

17:03LeeHaunted Mansion, sorry.

17:05AdamOh, well.

17:07Leeso because obviously The Muppets did The Haunted Mansion Halloween just gone.

17:12LeeApparently, yeah, they're going to start work on a stop motion animation version.

17:15LeeSo.

17:16LeeIf that is true and he's not another April Fool, I'll be very excited about that, but I didn't have time to research that as well, so.

17:25LeeThat's just a bit of news for you.

17:27AdamSee that's that sounds more likely.

17:31AdamThe April the the the other was an April Fool where it's like, yeah, this will just get people excited for 10 minutes.

17:37AdamAnd.

17:37LeeAnd then they'll hate you for lying to them.

17:39AdamYes.

17:41AdamThey the other the other feels a bit just maybe a tag too obscure for I don't know.

17:47AdamYeah, so it probably does have the ring of truth.

17:50AdamSo.

17:51AdamYeah.

17:51AdamI thought genuinely, I thought I thought this is how out of the loop Lee's got.

17:56AdamIt's going to be.

17:56AdamI don't know if this is an April Fool, but did Will Smith slap Chris Rock.

18:02LeeYeah.

18:03LeeIt's funny you mentioned that.

18:05LeeTalking of women with terrible haircuts who instill violence.

18:10LeeLet's go on and talk about Rosemary's Baby.

18:13AdamWhoa.

18:15ChrisAnother segue.

18:16LeeYeah, I I have put in my notes at that point where he says you didn't pay for that haircut, did you?

18:22LeeI was waiting for Will Smith to appear as the genie from Aladdin and slap him in the face.

18:26LeeBut luckily, he managed to get away with it.

18:29Lee

18:30LeeSo yes, as promised, 1968.

18:33LeeRosemary's Baby.

18:35Leeright at the top, we are going to say that we will not be discussing the director.

18:41LeeAs we've talked about that piece of shit quite enough on our ninth gate episode.

18:47LeeSo.

18:47AdamYeah.

18:48AdamEpisode 132.

18:50LeeYes.

18:50LeeIf you would like to hear what scumbag he is,

18:54LeeBut we are going to put that aside and let it drift from our minds and focus on this spoiler alert beautiful masterpiece of a movie.

19:14LeeSo.

19:15LeeOh, go on, Adam.

19:16AdamI was just I was just going to say, there's there there is a feeling.

19:20AdamIn terms of like how someone maybe goes on beyond very horrible things in their past.

19:29AdamIs that Rosemary's Baby, you want to keep.

19:34AdamNo one's that bothered about Jeepers Creepers.

19:38LeeYeah.

19:38LeeYeah, yeah.

19:40AdamYou know, so I think yeah.

19:42LeeI think that lets us know.

19:43LeeSo, Chris, had you seen this film before and what did you make of it this time?

19:49ChrisSo I hadn't, I've heard you mention it for years.

19:52ChrisProbably before we even started doing the podcast, you may have mentioned it.

19:57Chris

19:59ChrisYeah, so obviously I heard about it a lot.

20:02ChrisI I.

20:04Chris

20:06ChrisI'm trying to think, the best way I can sum it up is.

20:10ChrisI like everything about it, somehow I don't quite like it.

20:14ChrisAnd I think it's the ending.

20:17LeeOh.

20:18ChrisLike somehow I just didn't really like the actual story.

20:21ChrisAnd I and this is where I'm going to mention The Witch again.

20:24ChrisIs that I really loved The Witch in that you can take it as either.

20:27ChrisAnd obviously we debated a bit about what ending you might prefer.

20:30ChrisBut the fact that you really can take it as either, I just so much prefer that.

20:35ChrisWhereas this, when they really are all witches, it just seemed a bit like, oh, and then and then this is where, you know, we've argued over if a film is a bit funny, is it meant to be a spoof?

20:47ChrisAnd for me, this falls in the realm of then feeling like a spoof.

20:51ChrisBecause it's like, well, you're they're not like that's not really how witches would be.

20:55ChrisIs it all just standing around and then there's the devil baby and then there's a guy taking photos?

21:01ChrisIt's like that feels spoofish.

21:03LeeSee, I think that's the thing.

21:04ChrisAnd it doesn't fit the whole rest of the film.

21:05LeeI think what I like about this is that it does set it in the real world.

21:08LeeWhere they are real people with real jobs and real life, but they're going through.

21:12ChrisYeah.

21:13ChrisSo I liked that bit.

21:14LeeYeah.

21:14ChrisI liked that all the way through.

21:16LeeYeah.

21:17ChrisBut then it's just when they're just sort of all milling around, it's like what is that just how they just hang out in their room.

21:24ChrisA bit.

21:24ChrisI don't know, just felt really odd.

21:26ChrisI couldn't.

21:28AdamSee, I I think I think you're I think I think I'm with you, Lee, I think it's the it's that real.

21:36AdamDomesticness of everyone like particularly the Coven that really sells it.

21:40AdamSells the reality of it.

21:41AdamIn a weird way.

21:42ChrisSo so it might be that we have to watch some more.

21:44ChrisWhere they perhaps touch on this, but I just I'm just trying to imagine that in the real world and it's like it just breaks down for me.

21:53ChrisI just can't quite see how that would actually work.

21:54ChrisAnd when when you're trying to make it seem real, then it feels like it needs to be something that I would believe.

21:57ChrisNow, it might just be I have no experience of people in, you know, that sort of lifestyle where that is how they would all act together.

22:04ChrisThat's that's possibly true.

22:04ChrisBut yeah, like it's just that I start to question where if you're trying to make it seem very real, I feel like there's a few more details that you perhaps need to cover to convince me.

22:17LeeIt's.

22:17LeeThe reason it it as we were saying about it working is because I mean, if you take somebody who you know.

22:21LeeWho has who's devoutly religious, like they just have a normal life the same as you and I.

22:25LeeBut then they have this it's always in the back of their mind and they have a strong belief.

22:29LeeAnd this felt like this just felt like they don't go to church.

22:33ChrisThat that's fine.

22:34ChrisThat would be fine.

22:35LeeYeah.

22:35ChrisWhen they start.

22:36ChrisBut when they start doing all the actions of manipulating, like you don't tend to get religious people doing a lot of that.

22:39ChrisAnd so it's that combination of.

22:42ChrisNot not in not in a.

22:44LeeYeah.

22:45AdamI know.

22:45ChrisLike not where they're all sort of scheming together and they got the doctors involved and it's like, it's just getting a little bit too big conspiracy.

22:54ChrisAnd it's like, you couldn't easily keep that working, I don't think.

22:56ChrisLike not where you've really got the devil appearing and doing things.

22:58AdamOr thinking about it.

23:00AdamI mean, I would I would argue that the greatest conspiracy is keeping everyone in line by promising them a better life later.

23:05LeeYeah, exactly, yeah.

23:06ChrisAbsolutely.

23:07ChrisYeah, yeah, yeah, but that's not that's not sort of that's not mundane actions.

23:11ChrisThat's sort of like some grand ethereal, you know, we'll say it and it's going to be there.

23:16ChrisBut we don't actually have to do anything about it right now, whereas this, you've got to do a lot of working together.

23:20ChrisA lot of communicating sort of.

23:23ChrisIt's just like that's just seems like quite a lot.

23:25ChrisNow, it might be possible, but whereas I think if they hadn't had that sort of.

23:30ChrisBroad end scene where they're obviously feeding her, and I suppose at the time, I was sort of thinking, why are they that bothered about her?

23:40ChrisObviously, at the very end, you realize that they.

23:44ChrisAt least some of them, they do perhaps, in fact, it's called Roman, wants to bring her into the Coven.

23:51ChrisAnd so it's like, okay, yeah.

23:52ChrisThat that makes sense.

23:54ChrisHe wants to.

23:55ChrisSome of the others perhaps aren't so keen on her,

23:58ChrisBut yeah, it's almost like I'd like more details about all of them to kind of really be happy that that it's it's sort of meshes properly.

24:05AdamBut then I think even that probably sells the idea in so much as they're not all quite on board.

24:10ChrisYeah, yeah.

24:11LeeYeah.

24:12LeeBecause they're.

24:13AdamIn the same way.

24:14LeeBecause they're the worst place, everyone's got their own personalities and you know, you've got people who are disagreeing with others.

24:18LeeAnd you've got little cliques within the main group.

24:21LeeAnd that's that's how it felt to me.

24:22LeeThat was why it felt.

24:23LeeI I that last scene, I've got to say.

24:26LeeWhen on longer than I remember and I had forgotten the pivotal moment where she you can see her thinking of succumbing to it.

24:31LeeAnd I'd forgotten that that happened, I obviously remember the what have you done to its eyes bit.

24:36AdamYeah.

24:37LeeBut I'd forgotten afterwards, yeah, how they do kind of talk around as you say, Roman sort of starts to convince her.

24:43LeeAnd and and against the wishes of some of the others clearly wants to keep her in the.

24:48LeeRoman who I've got to say.

24:50LeeI did have to check at one point, I was so convinced that that was bloody Roger Corman.

24:55LeeI was like, how is he not Roger Corman.

24:56AdamI know.

24:57AdamWhat do you mean?

24:58AdamI know what you mean.

24:58AdamThe thing is Roger Corman would have been much younger at the point that this was made.

25:02LeeYeah.

25:03LeeThat's what.

25:03LeeI thought, I was like, it looks like Roger Corman now, so I thought either he's aged very well over the last 60 years, he had a very rough beginning to his life and he's been on easy street since.

25:08LeeOr.

25:10AdamWell.

25:10AdamI mean, I'll sort of mention it now now that you've brought up Roman, or Stephen.

25:17Adam

25:18AdamBut there is a sequel to Rosemary's Baby, which is a TV movie called Look What's Happened to Rosemary's Baby.

25:27LeeYeah.

25:28LeeRight.

25:28LeeIt's a little bit lately, but all right, I'll go with it.

25:31AdamVery.

25:31AdamVery, I was I was thinking that either or with Bruce Willis as the voice of Andrew.

25:35LeeYeah.

25:36ChrisAnd is is he.

25:36ChrisUgly in the cradle, or beautiful at the table, or does he keep his father's eyes all the way through.

25:41AdamHe's got he's got a he's got at one point he has got what can only be described as a monkey doll's hand.

25:45LeeYeah.

25:46AdamRight.

25:47AdamI'll I'll be honest, I tried to watch this.

25:49LeeMonkey bastard hands.

25:50AdamMonkey bastard hands, I tried to watch it and frankly, it was shit.

25:53Adam

25:54AdamNo, it was.

25:55AdamIt was fucking awful.

25:56Adambecause it was like,

25:59AdamIt was just such it was it was I it was I it was clearly a TV movie.

26:06Adam

26:06AdamBut also and this is this is the weird bit, so Ruth Gordon returns as Minnie.

26:13LeeShe was fantastic.

26:14AdamYeah, yeah, who was.

26:16LeeDoes good.

26:17AdamYeah, well, I mean, she got an Oscar for this at like 78 or something like that.

26:20LeeUnbelievable.

26:21AdamAnd she'd actually had a period of not acting.

26:24Adamand then yeah, suddenly it's like, oh, well, I might be doing.

26:27AdamSomething all right then if I just won an Oscar in my '70s, you know.

26:30ChrisI do think that the acting and interactions and dialogue.

26:32ChrisI think throughout was fantastic.

26:33AdamI tell you what the the worst thing is that Mia Farrow wasn't even fucking nominated.

26:36ChrisOh, right.

26:37LeeRight.

26:37LeeThat's unbelievable.

26:39AdamShe does.

26:40ChrisThat is surprising.

26:42AdamAnd it's weird because you get her role.

26:46AdamIs often a role that you would not take to, if you see what I mean.

26:50AdamBecause you'd be like, oh, get some backbone, or do you know what I mean?

26:54AdamIn lesser hands, but you just are so with her and understanding of, you know, why she's in the predicament she's in, because literally every fucker is is gaslighting her and yeah.

27:07ChrisYeah, and bullshitting her and everything else like that.

27:09AdamAnd it's like.

27:10AdamAnd you do, you know, all the way through it, you're with her.

27:14AdamYou really do sort of.

27:16ChrisGo with her.

27:17AdamBut the but this, yeah, so this sequel.

27:20AdamRoman's in it.

27:22AdamBut he's played by Ray Milland, Ray Milland.

27:25LeeOh, no.

27:26Adamhe's the man with the X-ray eyes, he's in loads of likeman stuff.

27:34Adamhe is the man who Peter Cushing is telling the cat stories to in The Uncanny.

27:40LeeOh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:41AdamAnd to be honest.

27:43AdamWhen I was watching Rosemary's Baby, I was like, that bloke is so like Ray Milland.

27:47AdamAnd then, yeah, I found out the sequel, I'm like, right, cuz get this, so you've got so like I said, so Ruth Gordon's in it.

27:53AdamRay Milland takes over as Roman and it was like, right, that's fucking natural because essentially the guy who's playing him is Ray Milland anyway.

27:59Adam

28:00AdamAnd

28:02AdamPatty Duke is in it as Rosemary, and get this.

28:08AdamThe grown up Adrian or Andrew, depending on which parent is talking to him, is Stephen Mcty from fucking Pontepool.

28:16LeeOh, really?

28:18AdamLike and it's really it's what it's that weird thing of seeing.

28:20AdamSomeone young when you know them as like looking like they're made of stone and been weathered on a fucking Icelandic beach for 40 years.

28:30AdamSo seeing him young is really fucking weird.

28:33AdamBut he but despite all of these really talented interesting people, the story's just sort of meh.

28:43AdamYeah.

28:44AdamAnd it just and it's it's weird because I think it relies too much on the one thing this doesn't have is.

28:53AdamIt doesn't have because you never see the baby.

28:59AdamYou never have to have the powers or anything that makes it cheap.

29:04LeeYeah.

29:05LeeI thought that was a fantastic call, never seeing anything of the baby.

29:09LeeAnd literally just seeing the cart rocking, I thought that was a really good touch.

29:13Adam

29:14LeeYeah.

29:15LeeAgain, and that's what I like this whole film is subtly uncomfortable.

29:18LeeLike it's got nothing overt in it, but all the way through, there's just a constant air of menace, I think.

29:25LeeI think it starts straight away from when they view that flat and all of the shooting is from down low, it's all shot up a high angle from like down by the skirting.

29:36Lee

29:36LeeYeah.

29:37LeeAnd it just gives it a really strange outlook on everything that just puts you on edge and yeah.

29:43LeeIt's it's very well done.

29:47ChrisI think the the music was good as well, right, the opening theme and at the end when it replays again.

29:52ChrisYou know, so yeah, all those touches definitely set the scene.

29:57AdamYeah, because the the music's by Christoph Kada, who done who did who did lots of Polanski's earlier films.

30:04Adambut he died the same year this came out, he was at a party no, actually, he died the following year because basically he was at a party in December in '68 and he was like play fighting with someone.

30:17AdamAnd fell over like fell over like a hill, landed on his head, went into a coma and never came out of it and died like few a few months later.

30:27AdamAnd

30:30Adamagain that's that's again and much like we had with The Exorcist and The Omen, Rosemary's Baby sort of fulfills that demon children trilogy of again, apparently being a cursed film.

30:46AdamAnd I mean.

30:46AdamObviously.

30:47AdamObviously, you've got Manson the Manson like Manson family murdering Sharon Tate and everything and you know, which obviously, yeah.

30:57AdamThat's definitely on the fucking unusual scale.

31:01Adambut you also got like the like I say, the composer died and he was I think he was like 35, 36.

31:07AdamOh.

31:07AdamSo.

31:08AdamHe was not particularly old and yeah, he just sort of died in quite a weird circumstance.

31:18AdamAlthough I did see someone part of the basically one of the producers is obviously William Castle.

31:23LeeYes, I spotted his cameo this time that I don't think I picked up on.

31:25LeeLast time I saw it.

31:26AdamI definitely didn't.

31:27AdamBecause when he turned around, I was just fucking, yeah.

31:31LeeYeah.

31:32LeeI was like, oh, it's him.

31:33LeeOh, it's William Castle, shit.

31:34LeeYeah.

31:35AdamYeah.

31:35AdamBecause he he's if you didn't spot him, Chris, he's the guy when she is in the phone booth and he's he's the guy who she thinks is Roman Dr. Sassteen.

31:47ChrisOh, Sassteen.

31:48ChrisOh, yeah.

31:48ChrisYeah.

31:49ChrisI must admit, I did mix him up a couple of times, I was thinking.

31:52AdamAnd and then it turns around, he's a bloke with a cigar.

31:56AdamYeah, that's really horrible the producer.

31:58AdamBut William Castle who we met on there's quite a lot of call backs on this one, but episode 33, House on Haunted Hill.

32:08Adamand he was the mad director of that.

32:10AdamWho would perform like he would he had gimmicks and would shock seats to get people to scream in the middle of his films.

32:16AdamAnd stuff like that.

32:17AdamHe was a and he's he was like talking about, oh, it's a cursed film.

32:21AdamIt's like.

32:21AdamYes.

32:22AdamYou would say that, you absolute like sideshow barker.

32:25AdamOf of a man that you are because there is no way that any publicity is bad publicity.

32:29AdamAnd yeah, we're going to say, because he was saying.

32:31AdamHe ended up hospitalized with kidney stones and it's like, that is not the same.

32:37LeeYeah.

32:38AdamAs your pregnant wife being stabbed to death by a load of fucking mad hippies.

32:42LeeYeah.

32:43AdamIt's not on the same scale, William.

32:45ChrisYeah.

32:45AdamI'm sorry, mate.

32:47AdamYou know.

32:49AdamBut.

32:50Adam

32:50AdamBut yeah, so but she's got like.

32:52Adamand actually and here's an interesting little insight, apparently a teenage Tim Roth was so in love with Mia Farrow.

32:58AdamHe went and had his hair cut like it and felt like a prick.

33:00AdamFor six months until it grew out.

33:03AdamI remember seeing an interview with him once.

33:05Adam

33:06AdamBut the other the other weird in joke in here is obviously is when she meets Terry.

33:11AdamThe girl who the woman who the the Castlevetts have taken in, who was a former drug addict.

33:15AdamWho ends up dying.

33:16Adamand she says to her, oh, you look like Victoria Vetri.

33:19LeeYeah.

33:20AdamThat is Victoria Vetri.

33:21LeeWow.

33:22Adambut she's playing she's using she's credited under her original stage name.

33:26AdamWhich is Angela Dorian.

33:28LeeYeah.

33:28AdamBut it is her.

33:29AdamAnd that's yeah, so that's just weird.

33:32AdamWho is in Invasion of the Bee Girls.

33:34AdamWhich I'm sure for guest Wes said he wanted to come back and look at at some point.

33:37Adam

33:38AdamSo yeah, you've got Dr. Sassteen, who is Randolph Duke.

33:41AdamFrom Trading Places, you know, one of the old boys who's the.

33:44AdamYeah.

33:45Adambut he's I didn't realize he's also in the Wolfman.

33:50AdamAnd ghost of Frankenstein and stuff.

33:53Adamand Hutch.

33:57AdamGood old Hutch is Dr. Zias from Planet of the Apes.

34:01LeeOh.

34:01AdamAnd that pleases me so much because it makes you realize.

34:04AdamIt makes you realize quite how good the the makeup is.

34:07AdamIn so much as it still looks like him.

34:10LeeYeah.

34:11Adambut he's he has a lot of experience with Coven.

34:13AdamBecause he is Samantha's father in Bewitched.

34:16LeeOh, cool.

34:17AdamAnd.

34:18Adamhe's also the puzzler in Batman, which was a villain that I remember.

34:23AdamIt was like you couldn't get anyone to play the riddle of this week, could you?

34:25LeeYeah.

34:26AdamSo that's why I'm assuming the puzzler has been created.

34:29Adam

34:30AdamAnd and yeah, and obviously Ruth Gordon.

34:34Adamand who was in like she's in Hamel de Mold.

34:37AdamAnd and she's I can't remember she's I think she's Clint Eastwood's mum.

34:41AdamIn every which way but loose.

34:42LeeYeah, that was a long time.

34:44AdamMe neither.

34:44Adamshe's in Scavenger Hunt.

34:46AdamAnd.

34:47Adamshe's also something called Voyage of the Rock Aliens in which she's playing the town sheriff, no idea what that's all about, but I'm quite

34:56AdamAnd in some.

34:57AdamLike female animal house rip off called Mugsy's Girls.

35:01Adamand but I have and this is just purely a fact that is going out.

35:05AdamEntirely for my sister.

35:06Adamshe is the main villain in try and catch me.

35:08AdamAn episode of Columbo.

35:10AdamAnd if you're very polite to my mom, she will do an impersonation of how she walks.

35:13AdamShe has got like a funny little shuffle.

35:15AdamAnd

35:17AdamYeah, so my mom.

35:18AdamThere you go.

35:19AdamI'll I'll get.

35:20AdamI'll guess to put it up on the Instagram.

35:22AdamFucking like she's going to do that.

35:24Adam

35:26Adam

35:27AdamBut yeah, I mean it's there's also there's also a.

35:33Adamthere is a sequel book.

35:36AdamWhich Ira Levin wrote.

35:37AdamBut we are talking 1997.

35:40AdamAnd it was the last book he wrote.

35:42AdamAnd.

35:43AdamRosemary emerges from a covenant of juiced coma in 1999 to find her grown son Andy has rebelled against his satanic destiny.

35:50AdamAnd become the head of a charitable organization promoting world peace, but circumstances indicate his Antichrist destiny is fulfilled.

35:55AdamRegardless of his participation, and at a candlelit Millennium celebration, a deadly virus is unleashed that destroys the human race.

36:00AdamSatan returns to Earth and drags Rosemary to hell, only for her to awaken.

36:04AdamAnd find that it's before the events of the first book and film.

36:08AdamAnd it was all a dream.

36:11LeeOh.

36:12AdamSo.

36:13AdamThere you go, Chris.

36:14AdamYou thought you had a bad ending.

36:15ChrisYeah.

36:16AdamYeah.

36:16ChrisNo.

36:17LeeI was just about to say that sounds like everything, the exact opposite of everything I love about this film.

36:22LeeIs that, you know, the subtlety of it has gone entirely out the window for that.

36:27AdamOh.

36:28AdamDefinitely, but then like I say, it was his last book he wrote before he died.

36:31AdamAnd I think it's I think it's fair to say that he might have lost his mojo by then.

36:35AdamYou know.

36:36AdamSo.

36:38Adam

36:38AdamI didn't realize there's also been.

36:41AdamIn 2014, there was a mini series.

36:43AdamVersion of this with Zoe Saldana as Rosemary.

36:45LeeYeah, I saw that when I was bringing it up on IMDB, so I all the facts in front of me before we started recording, I spotted that, which I hadn't seen before.

36:49LeeI might give it a go.

36:50AdamAnd there's.

36:51AdamAn unofficial sequel segment in the anthology film XX called Her Only Living Son.

36:57Adambut I've.

36:58AdamI must confess, I've not seen that.

37:01LeeNo.

37:01AdamNot that.

37:02Adamand to where are we.

37:04AdamI'm just seeing.

37:05AdamI've gotta get.

37:07AdamI think it.

37:08AdamI think it is yeah, like you say.

37:10AdamIt's City of.

37:12AdamCity of the Dead.

37:13LeeYes.

37:14LeeI adore this film.

37:15LeeLet you all know in the dance.

37:16LeeAnd it's one I think we recorded last time and we had a little 10, 15 minute chat after the end of the episode as we normally do.

37:23LeeAnd then about 10 minutes afterwards, I got a text message from Adam that just said, what the fucking out haven't we covered this film and I was like, I don't know, I love it.

37:32LeeI absolutely adore it, there isn't a year goes by that I don't watch it.

37:36AdamIt was much the same as how long it took us to get to Curse of the Crimson Altar.

37:41LeeYeah.

37:42AdamYou know, it's just a just a weird one where it's like, yeah, why have we not done that.

37:46AdamSo.

37:47AdamYeah.

37:48LeeExcellent.

37:49LeeRight.

37:50LeeSo.

37:52Leefor our next episode, we haven't planned what we're going to do.

37:55AdamOh yeah.

37:56LeeI just realized as we were talking, I was like, I should probably get that up on the diary that we have.

37:59LeeSo I know what we're doing next.

38:01LeeWe have a massive list of films as previously mentioned, but.

38:04Leeso what I'll do is I've got three films that I wrote down during our last episode that were to go on the list, that haven't yet gone on the list.

38:06LeeSo, Adam, would you like me to just throw those three at you and your gut instinct pick one of those films.

38:12LeeOkay, so we have Severance, the Danny Dyer,

38:16LeeComedy horror.

38:18Lee30 Days of Night.

38:19Adam

38:21Leeand as you pointed out, why haven't we covered it, it is definitely always in my top 10.

38:25LeeWe have not covered Horror Hotel, also known as City of the Dead, I believe is the original title.

38:32AdamOh.

38:33AdamYes.

38:34AdamIt's it's a toss up for me between.

38:37Adam30 days and and Horror Hotel, I think, just because obviously we did Triangle, which was the Severance director last time.

38:42LeeBut it's also the same actress from Triangle as well.

38:43LeeShe plays the the main woman in it.

38:45LeeSo.

38:46LeeOh, there you go, so it looks like we're going with Horror Hotel for our next film.

38:47ChrisOkay.

38:48ChrisExcellent.

38:48ChrisGood choice.

38:49LeeLet me just.

38:49LeeWhile you talk amongst yourselves, double check for our US listeners.

38:53Leethat I have got you.

38:55AdamI think it.

38:57AdamI think it is yeah, like you say.

38:58AdamIt's City of City of the Dead.

39:01Leeyes, I adore this film.

39:04LeeLet you all know in advance.

39:05LeeAnd it's one I think we recorded last time and we had a little 10, 15 minute chat after the end of the episode as we normally do.

39:11LeeAnd then about 10 minutes afterwards, I got a text message from Adam that just said, why the fucking haven't we covered this film and I was like, I don't know, I love it.

39:18LeeI absolutely adore it, there isn't a year goes by that I don't watch it.

39:23AdamIt was much the same as how long it took us to get to Curse of the Crimson Altar.

39:27LeeYeah.

39:28AdamYou know, it's just a just a weird one where it's like, yeah, why have we not done that?

39:32AdamSo.

39:33AdamYeah.

39:34LeeExcellent.

39:35LeeRight.

39:36LeeSo, thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

39:40Leedon't forget to go and check out the Not for Everyone podcast.

39:44LeeDon't forget to go and check out Eri Esx.

39:47AdamYeah.

39:48AdamI hope you enjoyed the episode, ladies.

39:49ChrisYeah, thank you for the recommendation.

39:51LeeYeah.

39:52LeeAbsolutely, it's again, it's another one of those that I was desperately came to talk about.

39:56LeeAnd comes up on a regular basis, yeah, and we just needed a little prod in that direction to get us there.

40:04LeeSo yeah, I'm very glad we covered it.

40:08Leeand we will be back in a Fortnight's time with Horror Hotel or City of the Dead, depending on your geographical location.

40:14LeeAnd we will see you then.

40:16LeeThanks very much.

40:16LeeGood night.

40:17AdamGood night.

40:18ChrisGood night.

40:19LeeMy stomach could rumbling that whole time.