Triangle

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:29 Lee And we are here this evening to cover 2009's Triangle.

0:34 Lee But in typical fashion as always, before we get into that, Chris, what have you been watching?

0:43 Chris Well, I have been watching things, not strictly horror, but I've been reading something.

0:49 Lee Oh.

0:50 Adam Oh, Empire of the Gods.

0:53 Chris Yeah, no, this was given to me by a certain Mr. Lee over there.

0:57 Lee Hello.

0:58 Chris And you might be tempted to say this is not strictly horror either, it is sci-fi, but it's got some horror aspects. I've got to say it.

1:43 Lee It definitely does.

1:45 Adam Normally.

1:47 Chris Yes, there is, there is.

1:48 Adam It says that.

1:49 Chris Yeah.

1:50 Chris And I, I think, I think this is a very good.

1:52 Chris Now, you just got to remind me, I'm sure you said something like you know the writer or it's a friend of a friend.

1:57 Lee So my boss at work, I was discussing with another guy, actually, we were talking about the new Dune movie and he just happened to walk into the office at the time and he said, my friend has just written his first novel and it's a sci-fi novel.

2:11 Lee It's available on Amazon.

2:12 Lee So I went and purchased it immediately. yeah, and then read it in a few days. Yeah, and was really, really impressed.

2:20 Lee It was one of those, he said it was his first novel and it was just a friend of a friend, so I was like, I wasn't expecting much.

2:28 Chris Your expectations, yeah.

2:29 Lee Yeah.

2:30 Lee yeah, and I was totally blown away by it, I really enjoyed it, it was really well written.

2:35 Chris It, it is, it's got enough sort of references and the mixture of comedy with some brutal elements, it's all there, really.

2:45 Chris And it's still an easy read and I'm just going to read out a little bit because I think it deserves it.

2:51 Chris So it's by Benjamin Nash.

2:52 Chris It says, at the end of the world, it helps to have a sense of humor.

2:56 Chris When flesh eating insects appear in the Cotswolds a week after the mysterious destruction of the pyramids of Giza, Jack Gibson and Denzel Reid's dreary team building week takes a deadly turn.

3:20 Chris While fleeing the carnage with their boss Lucy, they crash into a car containing an ancient artifact from beyond the stars, throwing them into the heart of an intergalactic rebellion.

3:37 Chris I'm just going to read out a couple of little bits to show you the brutality and comedy.

3:43 Chris The giant insects began flooding the men's bathroom like water overwhelming a sinking ship.

3:52 Chris I shouted at the officer to run, but it was too late.

3:54 Chris The creatures swarmed all over her, burrowing inside her ears, eyes and clothes.

4:07 Chris She screamed, allowing at least three to force their way down her throat.

4:11 Chris Tearing her face apart in the process.

4:14 Chris The memory of it still haunts the dark corridors of mind.

4:19 Chris By which I mean, it gives me a serious case of the willies.

4:23 Chris My survival instinct kicked in and I dragged a hyperventilating Denzel to his feet.

4:30 Chris And then a bit later on.

4:32 Chris I walked outside, closely followed by my new K9 companion to be confronted by Denzel standing next to the van.

4:41 Chris He was toting a rifle in one hand and a massive floppy dildo in the other.

4:46 Chris Ziggy increased his barking by several decibels as he advanced towards my best friend.

4:54 Chris Denzel didn't even flinch, he just nonchalantly threw the phallice through the air and cried fetch.

5:01 Chris Ziggy did what any self-respecting pooch would do when presented with something to chase and skid it off across the gravel in hot pursuit.

5:07 Chris What the hell are you doing with that thing? I asked.

5:09 Chris I couldn't find a stick, you replied.

5:11 Chris Not the cock, you moron, the gun.

5:16 Chris So as you can see, it's nice a easy read.

5:19 Chris And yeah, it's each chapter.

5:22 Chris Is very compelling.

5:23 Lee Yeah.

5:23 Lee I really enjoy the the mixture of the the action and comedy.

5:26 Lee It ran to me quite a lot of the the Rivers of London series.

5:31 Chris Oh, nice.

5:31 Lee Oh yeah, it kind of had that same sort of feel to it, which yeah, which I think I'm about four or five books into that series.

5:37 Lee So it gives you an idea of how much I enjoyed them.

5:40 Adam I I think he has just released another as well, actually, on Rivers of London.

5:44 Lee Yeah, I I think they're great.

5:46 Lee But yeah, and and this kind of struck me the same way, the action and everything's great, the sci-fi is really good.

5:52 Chris Yeah.

5:53 Lee it isn't kind of over it does that thing where it doesn't have to overexplain everything.

5:59 Lee It's like, this is the world and, you know, you're seeing it through.

6:03 Adam You you pick it up from circumstance and mentions, right, yeah.

6:08 Lee Precisely, rather than it being too kind of backstory heavy, it just kind of gets on with it.

6:12 Lee And yeah.

6:14 Adam That's that's good world building.

6:15 Chris Yeah.

6:16 Lee Yeah.

6:17 Lee So yeah.

6:18 Chris I'm really impressed.

6:19 Lee I'm glad that you've brought that up because yeah, I've very much enjoyed it too.

6:22 Lee So yeah, well done Benjamin Nash, we want more of that, please.

6:25 Lee Thank you very much.

6:26 Chris Absolutely.

6:27 Lee Yeah.

6:28 Lee Is that everything you've been up to?

6:31 Chris I I have also watched Memento, which I'm going to relate to a little bit of of a triangle.

6:39 Lee Oh, okay.

6:39 Adam Yes.

6:40 Lee Cool.

6:41 Chris So again, not not not horror, but yeah.

6:43 Chris I'll mention it.

6:44 Adam It's it it kind of borders into psychological horror.

6:48 Chris Yeah.

6:49 Adam It's a bit, I, it would, it wouldn't be.

6:53 Adam It would have been a Hitchcock film back in the 60s, Memento, I think.

6:57 Chris Yeah, that's an interesting idea.

6:59 Chris Yeah.

7:01 Chris Yeah, and and watching it, I was thinking there aren't many films that have done essentially time travel.

7:07 Chris Because from his perspective, it is time is completely messed up.

7:12 Chris That they've done it so well with such a unique perspective.

7:15 Chris And then I watched Triangle and I was like, oh, that's interesting.

7:17 Lee Well, that was why we why I thought we should cover it.

7:22 Lee Adam and I had discussed it previously and said it'd be a good film to cover.

7:25 Lee But when we went to Horror on Sea and you said you loved the time.

7:28 Chris Yes.

7:29 Chris Yeah.

7:30 Lee Adam is waving.

7:32 Adam I'm just going to say swearing and spoilers.

7:34 Lee Oh, yes.

7:35 Lee Yes.

7:35 Lee Sorry.

7:36 Adam Especially for Triangle, before we say anything, if you've not seen Triangle, we are going to have to spoil it to even talk about it.

7:36 Chris Well, yeah, yeah, definitely don't listen.

7:44 Lee Yeah.

7:44 Adam Watch it if you trust us and have not seen it.

7:47 Chris Otherwise all we can say is it's called Triangle.

7:50 Lee Yeah.

7:52 Adam It's it's called Triangle and that's it.

7:54 Chris It has people in it.

7:56 Adam Yeah.

7:57 Lee Excellent, well done, Chris.

7:59 Lee Adam, what have you been watching?

8:03 Adam well, I I mean, this I'd almost forgotten I it was when I was only when I was trying to remember earlier to write down what I've been watching.

8:12 Adam I watched Blackenstein, which is obviously, well, regards, well, not regarded is, a cheap cash in that was created after the success of Blackula, the black vampire film, which genuinely is good.

8:22 Adam And, yeah, I can honestly say in terms of cheap knockoff, this on a budgetary level made thanks killing look like Avatar.

8:35 Adam It really is low budget.

8:39 Adam But and here's a really cool bit about it, the one thing that looks great is that they've, they've hired the same props they used in the Universal Frankenstein.

8:56 Adam Like they found them, they found them available in a prop house.

8:58 Adam So the Frankenstein creation room is, I mean, it's not as good because they've hired the equipment, not the walls or anything like that.

9:06 Adam So it still likes like really sort of just a big empty space somewhere, someone's garage or whatever.

9:14 Adam but they've got all the all the right stuff.

9:18 Adam in there.

9:18 Adam So, yeah.

9:20 Adam it's just a very fucking odd film.

9:25 Adam So.

9:26 Adam But again, I'm glad I've seen it.

9:28 Adam So, yeah.

9:29 Adam and then,

9:30 Adam William Hurt, died in the week.

9:35 Adam so.

9:36 Adam Obviously, RIP him.

9:38 Adam RIP Peter Bowles, who we saw in Legend of Hell House.

9:43 Adam I'd forgot because I'd almost forgotten because I was like, Peter Bowles never done a horror film, but he's in that.

9:47 Adam and,

9:49 Adam Also we lost Ron Pember the other week, who is not as well known an actor.

9:53 Adam But he's definitely a well-known face, who's in just so much stuff.

9:59 Adam He's basically who Alan Ford is now.

10:02 Lee Yeah.

10:02 Adam You know Bricktop?

10:04 Adam Yeah, he's he's essentially that sort of, yeah, he he used to fulfill that that kind of a role.

10:07 Adam But,

10:09 Adam Yeah, so, but I watched, so I thought, I'm going to watch Altered States.

10:13 Adam And it's it's a Ken Russell film, so I know it's going to have like literally hallucinogenic mentalness in it.

10:18 Adam but I'd actually and I'll I I know this sounds weird because I because I'm a Ken Russell fan, but.

10:23 Adam I'd actually forgotten that he's a very good director.

10:25 Chris

10:26 Adam Inasmuch as, yeah, he does the visual stuff and things like that, but there's genuinely on the edge of your seat sort of bits where.

10:35 Adam You're sort of like, you know, they're sort of chasing people chasing a creature through a seller at a university and it's just sort of hanging around in the pipes and stuff like that.

10:43 Adam And it's all sort of, yeah, the way it's shot is really cool.

10:46 Adam But, just to give you an idea I've I've I don't know if you've seen it, Lee?

10:50 Adam I'm not sure.

10:51 Lee I'm not, no.

10:52 Adam All right.

10:53 Chris Chris.

10:53 Adam And Chris, I take it you've not seen it?

10:56 Chris I haven't, no.

10:57 Adam No, but basically, well, you'll like this, basically the premise is,

11:03 Adam William Hurt is a scientist who is using, studying doing studies into century deprivation, so he's using century deprivation tanks and stuff like that.

11:13 Chris

11:13 Adam But he finds a way of, he just, that was it, yeah, he basically goes on the,

11:21 Adam white intellectual quest and goes and patronizes some people in South America.

11:26 Adam And basically gets Ihuasca.

11:31 Adam And, yeah, he's so he goes and does a ritual with them and trips his fucking tits off.

11:37 Chris

11:37 Adam so he decides what would be a really good idea is to take lots of this stuff and get in the isolation tank.

11:44 Chris

11:46 Adam And basically begins to devolve.

11:49 Adam Because he's sort of going back through because he's tripping, he's going back to the very source of humanity and stuff like that.

11:58 Adam And yeah, he basically devolves into, yeah, a a cave creature and then sort of big glowing electric slug.

12:05 Adam But,

12:09 Adam I genuinely, I think the the strangest thing I got watching it is even like the music that was in it.

12:15 Adam Is so like the fly, like the Cronenberg version of the fly.

12:21 Chris

12:21 Adam That I almost feel that that's what Cronenberg had watched and sort of.

12:27 Adam formulated his way of redoing the fly.

12:31 Adam Because it really has that same sort of feeling.

12:34 Adam but it's definitely.

12:37 Adam definitely worth watch and like I say, you get it's there's a like 18-eyed goat Christ crucified and stuff like that.

12:45 Adam You know, you get lots of incredible stuff from the trippy ball sequences.

12:53 Adam and, and like I say, it's actually.

12:56 Adam you know, it's a really well-shot horror film outside of, oh, and it's got these fucking really trippy bits.

13:01 Chris

13:02 Adam So, yeah, I do recommend Altered States.

13:05 Adam the only other thing I've been watching that's kind of horror related is I've watched all of series three of Wellington Paranormal and still that show just goes from strength to strength, I think.

13:15 Adam It's just so fucking good.

13:17 Adam that that's the one which is is the two cops from the movie version of What We Do in the Shadows.

13:30 Adam You know when they come around and it's like.

13:33 Adam well, what are you doing there, this this this guy's dead on the floor, drunk, you know, does he want to lay there, no, he doesn't, does he, so come on, think think think these things through, guys.

13:42 Adam Let's try and not make a mess.

13:43 Adam And, yeah, it's them in their sort of own X-Files.

13:46 Adam But yeah,

13:48 Adam Series three, very good.

13:50 Lee Oh, I have to watch that.

13:51 Lee I really enjoyed the first two seasons, the same as you did.

13:53 Lee So yeah, I have to watch that.

13:54 Adam I think I think they're I think they've actually just been, I don't know whether it's just been on or it's just coming on, but they've,

14:02 Adam they've shot another now showing series four as well in New Zealand.

14:07 Lee Fantastic.

14:08 Adam So, yeah, but,

14:09 Adam No, it's just such a fantastic show.

14:12 Adam And and it's I think certainly that and the series of What We Do in the Shadows.

14:15 Adam are probably the best things out like, you know, certainly in terms of horror comedy, you know, or certainly on TV, I mean, it's such a few and far between thing anyway.

14:26 Adam But it used to be you'd have the league dominating things in that school.

14:28 Adam But yeah, it's,

14:29 Adam No, it's just a fantastic show.

14:31 Adam And and.

14:32 Adam Everyone should see it.

14:33 Lee Yes.

14:34 Lee There we go.

14:35 Lee Absolutely, totally agree.

14:38 Lee I've caught up with a couple of movies, both from 2021.

14:43 Lee so some nice modern fair, which isn't my normal viewing, I must admit.

14:47 Lee so I caught up with a film called The Cursed.

14:52 Lee it's well, I saw it called The Cursed, but it is also on IMDB as Eight for Silver.

14:58 Adam Sorry, Eight.

15:00 Lee Eight for Silver.

15:02 Adam Eight for Silver.

15:03 Adam All right.

15:04 Lee so it stars Kelly Riley and Alistair Petrie, who's always great in everything he's in.

15:09 Lee

15:11 Lee And it is it's funny because I didn't realize it's set in 19th century France.

15:17 Lee Because they're all British actors in it, all right, speaking very British, and it it makes no difference to the story.

15:21 Adam All right.

15:21 Lee And it.

15:22 Lee but yeah, it's a really good tale.

15:26 Lee basically a group of Romani travelers move onto a piece of land owned by aristocratic group.

15:33 Lee and they have some kind of a claim to the land, it's kind of implied.

15:37 Lee so basically they hire some mercenaries because someone says, oh, if they go and threaten them, they'll all just move on.

15:42 Lee So when they go and threaten them and they don't move on, they just slaughter the lot.

15:45 Lee and someone puts a curse on them, and ultimately, it isn't too much of a giveaway because it's the cover of the, DVD.

15:50 Lee yes, basically it's a a werewolf curse.

15:56 Adam Oh, wow, okay.

15:57 Lee

15:58 Lee Yeah.

15:58 Adam Oh, I've I sorry, I've just looked up Alistair Petrie, I now know who you mean and yeah, he is fucking great.

16:04 Lee Yeah, again, again, it's one of those people you don't know his name, but every time you see him, you go, it's him, he's brilliant in everything, but yeah, I didn't know his name until until this.

16:12 Adam If you want to know how tragically things had got the other afternoon, I was so bored, I was compiling a list of British character actors who've played members of the Galactic Empire in Star Wars.

16:23 Adam And, and I was so when I was going through it, I was like, why did they have him in the rebels, that's so annoying, he would have been a fucking perfect like Star Destroyer captain.

16:32 Lee Oh, he's fantastic in Utopia as well, the original, the original series, such a good show.

16:37 Lee Oh, yeah.

16:38 Lee

16:41 Lee But yeah, so it was a really good film.

16:42 Lee So a lower budget, but that didn't damage it in any way.

16:46 Lee the effects for the creatures, they get quite a bit of screen time.

16:50 Lee And they they hold up really well.

16:54 Lee So, yeah, it's it's it's really good, it was one of those sort of last minute finds, I was like, oh, I know anything about it, I'll give it a go, it's got an interesting cover.

17:02 Lee

17:03 Lee And and really enjoyed it.

17:05 Lee So that's definitely one to check out.

17:08 Lee also very low budget from 21, I watched Hellbender.

17:15 Adam Hellbender.

17:17 Adam Is that got thingy in it, the one from Pompey Pole?

17:20 Lee No.

17:22 Adam Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of something else.

17:23 Lee No.

17:24 Lee so basically it's a young girl and her mother, and they live out in a house kind of in the middle of a it's it's a modern house, but it's set aside from everyone out in the mountains.

17:37 Lee it's never I don't think it's ever given any clear definition of where it is in the mountains.

17:44 Lee but yeah, basically they're kept in and the daughter is kept away from everyone and he's told that she's ill.

17:51 Lee but it later transpires that it isn't and basically.

17:55 Lee it's I I won't give anything away because it's definitely a film worth watching, it's a slow burn and it's it's more psychological than anything.

18:03 Lee but yeah, it is a a witch.

18:05 Adam You're selling it, you're selling it well there.

18:07 Lee Yeah.

18:08 Adam Well, I'm fucking sold.

18:09 Lee But it is a witch, it's really it's got some some of the imagery in it is absolutely amazing.

18:14 Lee You'll love it, Adam, it's really, really good.

18:17 Lee

18:17 Adam Cool.

18:18 Lee But yeah, yeah, really good movie, again, another one I'd seen the cover around and was sort of interested.

18:24 Lee And I watched the trailer and I thought, well, I'll give it a go and see, but I've not really heard anyone talking about it.

18:29 Lee Yeah, and and was really impressed with it.

18:30 Lee So, yeah.

18:32 Lee Definitely also I recommend.

18:39 Lee before we jump into Triangle, a quick bit of news I wanted to bring up, I'm not sure if you guys have seen it.

18:44 Lee So Rob Zombie has come out talking about his Monsters remake and he said it is going for a PG rating.

18:50 Adam Yes, I saw that and which makes sense.

18:53 Lee Yeah.

18:53 Adam Because then you're doing the Monsters.

18:55 Lee Exactly, that was my concern is that he was going to try and zombie it effectively.

19:00 Lee I'm I'm glad that he hasn't and he is going.

19:03 Lee and Cassandra Peterson who plays Elvira is going to be in it as well.

19:08 Lee so the more of the cast that come out, it's looking more and more like it could be a.

19:14 Chris So this could be his biggest hit ever.

19:16 Lee Oh, let's hope, let's hope.

19:19 Lee I've got good.

19:20 Lee I mean, I I think it's again, it's one of those things that I don't know if it would work remaking it.

19:27 Lee So I've got reservations from the off, but if somebody could get it going.

19:31 Lee I think Rob Zombie might be the person to do it.

19:36 Chris I imagine he could get the style, he would get a good style with it.

19:41 Chris I mean, certainly from what I've seen of him, he's definitely got the ability.

19:46 Adam Also, he's got, one of the cast is Sylvester McCoy, which immediately warmed me to it, obviously.

19:52 Lee Oh, is he really?

19:53 Lee I didn't see that.

19:54 Adam Yeah, he's he's like, he's, I don't think I don't know if he's called Igor, but he's basically grandpa has a lab assistant.

20:02 Lee Fantastic.

20:04 Adam because,

20:07 Adam Yeah, the because I was I was thinking with it like the same as you leak because I mean, obviously there was The Monsters to Die, which was fucking dreadful.

20:19 Adam But had no right to be anything else.

20:24 Adam But I do think he'll, you know, I I think he recognizes what the appeal of it is.

20:31 Adam And it's not to alter that.

20:34 Lee Yeah.

20:36 Adam It's, yeah.

20:37 Adam It doesn't sort of like, because, because weirdly enough.

20:39 Adam I mean, obviously, I mean, there they started off as a cartoon anyway.

20:44 Adam but the, like the Addams Family have obviously faired a lot better in this sort of thing where they've had.

20:54 Adam you know, I mean, sort of I'm not that massive a fan, but the, you know, good movies, reasonably, you know, watchable films.

21:01 Adam The latest animated ones are pretty good as well.

21:04 Lee Yeah, I enjoyed those.

21:05 Adam You know.

21:07 Adam So, yeah, it'll be nice for the Monsters to sort of come back in in into favor.

21:13 Adam Funnily enough.

21:14 Adam It was something I was thinking the other day is I'm wondering if about showing it to Ted because I know there's nothing in it, but he he knows who Frankenstein is and he knows.

21:23 Adam Drag, you know, he knows the horror archetypes and stuff like that.

21:27 Adam So.

21:28 Adam Yeah, I just thought that might it might amuse him, I don't know.

21:32 Lee Oh, definitely.

21:32 Lee And and as you say, it's,

21:34 Lee It I mean, we grew up on them as kids, yeah, and it's definitely helped instill those characters, I think, and, and you know, and played a part in us going back and watching the old 30s and 40s movies, really.

21:48 Lee So, yeah, I think it's a it's it is again, it's another good jumping off point, isn't it, really, to to bring them in in such a family-friendly environment.

21:55 Lee So you get comfortable with the characters and then move more into their their actual horror.

22:01 Adam Yeah.

22:02 Adam It's like stuff like the groovy ghoulies as well and you know, you.

22:05 Lee Love The Groovy Ghoulies.

22:08 Adam But I think that, yeah, no, I I think that because what was the one you showed me which was a pilot?

22:18 Adam Eddie Izzard was grandpa.

22:20 Lee So that was 13 13 Mockingbird Lane.

22:22 Adam That was it, yeah.

22:22 Lee So.

22:23 Adam Which tried to to sort of make it because I actually thought that was pretty reasonable, you know, it was a pretty good version, but that was someone trying to a update it so it wasn't using the universal looks of the Monsters.

22:33 Adam But also to sort of bring in more horror elements or whatever like that.

22:38 Adam And actually, yeah, I sort of I was pondering with where the Rob Zombie would do something the same.

22:44 Adam But, you know, it looks like he's just going plain and simple with it.

22:46 Lee Yeah.

22:47 Lee Definitely, and that 13 13 Mockingbird like I was gutted when, after that pilot was ditched.

22:53 Lee Because I I again, like you, I'd really enjoyed it and was looking forward to seeing more.

22:58 Lee and because it was such high production values and everything, I didn't see how it could fail.

23:03 Lee But unfortunately, it didn't test well.

23:04 Lee And yeah.

23:05 Adam Yeah.

23:06 Adam I think it was yeah, it was just one of those things, wasn't it, really, unfortunately.

23:09 Lee Yeah.

23:10 Adam But, yeah, I thought that had that really did have potential.

23:14 Lee I then again saying that I thought the same with, the first season of Cowboy Bebop, I've just watched the live action first season of that.

23:18 Lee I thought it was really, really good.

23:20 Lee Yeah, and they've canceled it before season two.

23:21 Adam Yeah.

23:22 Lee What a terrible thing to do.

23:24 Adam Mind, I was very pleased to see that the because that was the one thing I did, I because I hadn't watched it.

23:30 Adam But I did, I watched up to the opening credits of the first episode.

23:34 Adam Because I was just like, what music are they using?

23:36 Adam Because obviously Cowboy Bebop like the cartoon and then it was just, oh, you're just using the music, fair enough, well done, well done, everyone.

23:42 Lee That's good.

23:43 Adam That's good.

23:44 Adam Pass.

23:45 Lee Yeah.

23:46 Lee

23:47 Lee Right, so without further ado, as we say, we are going to go into spoiler territory.

23:51 Lee Because it's impossible not to.

23:54 Lee we had told Chris, literally don't read anything, don't look at anything, just find the film and watch it.

24:03 Chris And I'm glad I did.

24:05 Lee Yes, good, I'm glad to hear it.

24:07 Lee So what did you make of it?

24:09 Chris Well, yeah, yeah, as you correctly, you know, knew.

24:13 Chris I'd mentioned my love of time travel movies or movies that play with the idea of time.

24:21 Chris

24:22 Chris And yeah, so as I mentioned earlier, Memento, which it's.

24:28 Chris You said again, so spoil it for some people who haven't seen it, even though it's a fairly old movie now, but it feels like time travel is happening because of the way it's presented.

24:41 Chris And essentially from his perspective, he is reliving the same experience every day.

24:45 Chris Except if he's got new notes because obviously he's got, is it antegrade amnesia?

24:51 Adam Yeah.

24:51 Chris I know he says it's not amnesia throughout, but but essentially he can't make new memories.

24:55 Lee Yeah.

24:55 Chris So he remembers everything from before an accident where he had a head trauma.

25:01 Chris yeah, but so he can't remember anything new.

25:03 Chris And it it's it's a fascinating idea.

25:05 Chris I mean, for somebody that that happens to, you are just.

25:10 Adam He's Christopher Nolan, isn't it?

25:12 Chris Is.

25:12 Chris Yeah, yes, and I didn't realize that, I mean, I saw it, I think when it first came out, long time ago now.

25:17 Chris But yeah, and I had no idea though, having seen his more recent movies, completely makes sense that he would take on something like that.

25:23 Adam Oh, yeah.

25:23 Chris And and the way that it's shot that you work your way backwards, but again, you're following his story and he's trying to piece together that he's he's his life.

25:30 Chris And you know, the the people in it and, you know, from his perspective, who do you trust and and sort of it's it's a very complex.

25:37 Chris But I thought such a clever way to to play with the idea, like presenting that, in a film, it's got to be very difficult to make it make sense.

25:47 Chris And equally with this, I mean, essentially to spoil this straight away,

25:54 Chris The the way the time loops.

25:57 Chris and and now, so obviously I've watched this once.

26:00 Chris And I was so tempted to watch it again, I didn't actually watch it today, which I normally do, I watched it yesterday, and I was if I had time, I would have liked to have watched some of it again.

26:08 Chris Because I'm I'm trying to remember, and again, I didn't want to look anything up.

26:12 Chris I said to Lee, I looked up the name of the ship because I was trying to think back to the,

26:20 Chris essentially the story of Sisyphus.

26:24 Adam Yeah.

26:24 Chris Rolling the boulder up the hill and replaying it.

26:26 Chris And and so, so I'm kind of jumping around a bit here as I I do.

26:31 Chris And especially with this movie.

26:33 Lee We do, it's fine.

26:34 Chris Well, yeah, yeah.

26:35 Chris But so, so you, they tell you the name of the ship.

26:38 Chris Which I have forgotten again, A Aeolus.

26:43 Adam Aeolus, yeah.

26:45 Chris Right.

26:46 Chris They explain that about halfway through the film that that's the ship they're on.

26:49 Chris And the reason that it's called that.

26:52 Chris And so you know that that is happening and and it seems like it's probably happening to Jess.

26:59 Chris because obviously there's something a bit strange about her.

27:05 Chris But now what I can't remember is, right, every time she goes through the time loop.

27:11 Adam Yeah.

27:11 Chris Does it reveal more about the previous one, I couldn't remember if you knew what had happened to her son at the start.

27:17 Chris I'm fairly certain you didn't, right.

27:18 Chris Because that's sort of the point is you don't know.

27:21 Chris I was like, oh, hold on, when you see the very end.

27:24 Chris I was like, what did they what did they tell you at the start?

27:27 Chris Like, it it was obviously meant to be a bit confusing.

27:31 Adam Yeah.

27:31 Chris Because you're trying to piece it together.

27:33 Chris But.

27:34 Adam It's the well, the sort of implication is that by the time she's on the loop.

27:38 Adam Returning to the boat.

27:39 Chris Yeah.

27:40 Adam That's when she loses her memory, essentially.

27:45 Chris Okay.

27:46 Adam and that she regains.

27:48 Adam But then she regains it as she's going through.

27:50 Chris As she as it.

27:51 Chris Yeah.

27:51 Chris Okay.

27:52 Adam And there's notes that added and stuff.

27:54 Lee So I noticed that this time, it's the point where she wakes up and she says, I had a horrible dream.

27:58 Lee And the woman says to, what did you dream, and she said, I can't remember.

28:01 Lee So I think.

28:01 Chris Oh, yeah.

28:02 Lee So I think her memory restarts when she falls asleep.

28:05 Lee And that's when the loop.

28:06 Lee But that was what I loved about this was the fact that you thought the loop was just from when she stepped.

28:09 Chris Yeah.

28:10 Lee onto the cruise ship.

28:11 Lee And it kept playing up and over.

28:13 Lee And then when she gets out of it, you're like, oh.

28:15 Lee Thank God she's out of it.

28:17 Lee And then as soon as you realize that this is also the loop and she's coming back around again to restart, you're like, oh, no, it's it's a loop.

28:24 Lee It's a multiple loops within a single larger loop and it's so growling, you feel awful for.

28:25 Chris Yeah.

28:29 Chris And and but and the way it does reveal extra perspectives on each of the experiences they're going through.

28:33 Chris Yeah, you know, it's so well done, like it is great.

28:39 Chris because yeah, just seeing that bit extra every time, but then the next loop is sort of coming and like how she going to interact with them next and then seeing the one before.

28:50 Chris It's yeah, it's fascinating.

28:55 Adam The the curious thing is if you watch it from watching it from the start.

29:00 Adam There's one bit that's slightly out, but there's certain things such as she has got a noticeably heavy bag.

29:09 Lee Yeah.

29:10 Adam Noticeably heavy.

29:11 Lee Okay, yeah, you notice that when she saw it, when she put the bag in the boat, she was like.

29:15 Lee That's a very bad, especially when she got on, what does she have that massive bag to get on the boat?

29:17 Lee But of course.

29:18 Chris Yeah.

29:18 Lee That's why she didn't take the bag with that.

29:21 Chris So that's it, that's what I was trying to think what were the clues that were you could have picked up on throughout.

29:26 Lee What I.

29:27 Lee Sorry, go.

29:28 Adam I don't know if you can, to be honest.

29:29 Adam I think there's because I mean.

29:30 Adam The history of this is for me is that Lee showed me this.

29:33 Adam And I'm eternally fucking grateful because it's great.

29:35 Adam But I remember, I remember being totally blown away by it sort of on first watch.

29:43 Adam Watching it this time round, obviously coming in from the point that I know what's happening and everything, it's actually really fascinating like how like you say, there's this weird thing also where you get where you you there's a weird thing where you get with it, which is when you realize that there's three Jese on the ship at any one time.

29:55 Chris Yeah.

29:57 Adam Rather than because you're used to time loops and stuff where people go back and meet themselves.

30:05 Chris They might, yeah, the one.

30:06 Adam But the fact this sort of crosses through three loops sort of cross, but like a spyrograph rather than three separate circles.

30:15 Adam It's like, yeah.

30:16 Adam It's some weird Venn diagram of.

30:18 Chris Yeah, complexity seems to just increase.

30:22 Adam Yeah.

30:23 Adam Yeah.

30:23 Adam It's.

30:24 Adam quite.

30:24 Chris Yeah.

30:25 Adam Yeah.

30:25 Adam But it sort of.

30:26 Adam it does help.

30:27 Adam make a.

30:28 Adam make a very good sense of it.

30:30 Adam And actually, I mean, it's I think the director stated, one of them was one of the influences with dead of night.

30:35 Adam But he said he wanted to explore it.

30:36 Adam So it wasn't just how dead of night loops at the end.

30:40 Lee Yeah.

30:41 Adam Or indeed something like ghost stories, you know, where they put themselves in this like a turnal loop, eternal damnation sort of thing, even Krampus kind of does it as well, and yeah, but I think that this is it's much more interesting that it's like, no, we're going to explore what the implications are of it.

30:56 Adam rather than just, oh, so that's what's going on.

30:59 Lee Yeah.

31:00 Adam You know.

31:00 Lee So it's a mechanism.

31:01 Lee Rather than the final stinger at the end, you kind of learn very early on that you're in a loop, it's saying it's and then the final stinger of course is, yeah, is that that loop is taking place within a larger loop.

31:10 Chris Big loop, yeah.

31:12 Lee Yeah.

31:12 Adam Yeah.

31:13 Adam Because you assume the loop is the boat, you assume, you're almost assume that the boat's like the hotel in The Shining or something like that, where it's like the the that's contained there. Yeah. Funny you should say that, did you notice the cabin number when she was.

31:31 Lee No, I did.

31:35 Adam Yeah.

31:35 Lee When she goes in, 237 is the room that she goes into that's got go to the theater written in blood on the mirror.

31:40 Chris Oh.

31:40 Adam No. Yeah.

31:43 Lee Yeah.

31:44 Adam Oh, fuck.

31:46 Adam Trouble is I'm I'm going through the whole.

31:47 Lee No, I'm going to tell Liam.

31:48 Adam Oh, right.

31:49 Lee Sorry.

31:49 Adam No, it was it was just.

31:50 Lee So I'm sorry.

31:52 Adam I'm going to explain it.

31:54 Adam I wasn't going to, I was just going to leave it there.

31:55 Adam But I feel I'm I'm.

31:56 Adam I'm going to have to tell people now.

31:58 Adam Next to all the all the cards in the CD section were hand written, so, you know, like of the band names as you were going through and everything.

32:09 Adam And Dot Alison, someone obviously really fancied Dot Alison.

32:12 Adam So they put Dot Alison and.

32:14 Adam Like just four N's lower case, like.

32:17 Adam So.

32:18 Adam Yeah.

32:18 Adam There we go.

32:21 Adam and,

32:23 Adam And actually she is married to Christian Henson.

32:27 Adam So I I assume that was an easy call to make.

32:28 Adam Where it was like, you're trying to send in vocal from the film, the film of.

32:33 Adam Do you?

32:34 Adam Yes.

32:34 Adam So.

32:35 Adam We'll see.

32:35 Adam If that happens or not.

32:36 Lee Right.

32:37 Adam Well, so yeah, so,

32:39 Adam request, Rosemary's Baby next episode.

32:41 Lee Whoa.

32:42 Adam Hopefully by then Colin will have changed.

32:43 Adam And I won't sound quite so much like I've eaten a pillow.

32:45 Adam So.

32:46 Lee Yeah, I'm the same, I keep I keep bunging up and having to move around to keep my circulation going.

32:50 Lee but there you go.

32:52 Lee So now you all know about my snot, I'll let you all go.

32:54 Lee Thanks ever so much for listening.

32:56 Lee Good night.

32:57 Chris Good night.

32:58 Adam Good night.