Triangle

0:23LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26ChrisI'm Chris.

0:27AdamI'm Adam.

0:29LeeAnd we are here this evening to cover 2009's Triangle.

0:34LeeBut in typical fashion as always, before we get into that, Chris, what have you been watching?

0:43ChrisWell, I have been watching things, not strictly horror, but I've been reading something.

0:49LeeOh.

0:50AdamOh, Empire of the Gods.

0:53ChrisYeah, no, this was given to me by a certain Mr. Lee over there.

0:57LeeHello.

0:58ChrisAnd you might be tempted to say this is not strictly horror either, it is sci-fi, but it's got some horror aspects. I've got to say it.

1:43LeeIt definitely does.

1:45AdamNormally.

1:47ChrisYes, there is, there is.

1:48AdamIt says that.

1:49ChrisYeah.

1:50ChrisAnd I, I think, I think this is a very good.

1:52ChrisNow, you just got to remind me, I'm sure you said something like you know the writer or it's a friend of a friend.

1:57LeeSo my boss at work, I was discussing with another guy, actually, we were talking about the new Dune movie and he just happened to walk into the office at the time and he said, my friend has just written his first novel and it's a sci-fi novel.

2:11LeeIt's available on Amazon.

2:12LeeSo I went and purchased it immediately. yeah, and then read it in a few days. Yeah, and was really, really impressed.

2:20LeeIt was one of those, he said it was his first novel and it was just a friend of a friend, so I was like, I wasn't expecting much.

2:28ChrisYour expectations, yeah.

2:29LeeYeah.

2:30Leeyeah, and I was totally blown away by it, I really enjoyed it, it was really well written.

2:35ChrisIt, it is, it's got enough sort of references and the mixture of comedy with some brutal elements, it's all there, really.

2:45ChrisAnd it's still an easy read and I'm just going to read out a little bit because I think it deserves it.

2:51ChrisSo it's by Benjamin Nash.

2:52ChrisIt says, at the end of the world, it helps to have a sense of humor.

2:56ChrisWhen flesh eating insects appear in the Cotswolds a week after the mysterious destruction of the pyramids of Giza, Jack Gibson and Denzel Reid's dreary team building week takes a deadly turn.

3:20ChrisWhile fleeing the carnage with their boss Lucy, they crash into a car containing an ancient artifact from beyond the stars, throwing them into the heart of an intergalactic rebellion.

3:37ChrisI'm just going to read out a couple of little bits to show you the brutality and comedy.

3:43ChrisThe giant insects began flooding the men's bathroom like water overwhelming a sinking ship.

3:52ChrisI shouted at the officer to run, but it was too late.

3:54ChrisThe creatures swarmed all over her, burrowing inside her ears, eyes and clothes.

4:07ChrisShe screamed, allowing at least three to force their way down her throat.

4:11ChrisTearing her face apart in the process.

4:14ChrisThe memory of it still haunts the dark corridors of mind.

4:19ChrisBy which I mean, it gives me a serious case of the willies.

4:23ChrisMy survival instinct kicked in and I dragged a hyperventilating Denzel to his feet.

4:30ChrisAnd then a bit later on.

4:32ChrisI walked outside, closely followed by my new K9 companion to be confronted by Denzel standing next to the van.

4:41ChrisHe was toting a rifle in one hand and a massive floppy dildo in the other.

4:46ChrisZiggy increased his barking by several decibels as he advanced towards my best friend.

4:54ChrisDenzel didn't even flinch, he just nonchalantly threw the phallice through the air and cried fetch.

5:01ChrisZiggy did what any self-respecting pooch would do when presented with something to chase and skid it off across the gravel in hot pursuit.

5:07ChrisWhat the hell are you doing with that thing? I asked.

5:09ChrisI couldn't find a stick, you replied.

5:11ChrisNot the cock, you moron, the gun.

5:16ChrisSo as you can see, it's nice a easy read.

5:19ChrisAnd yeah, it's each chapter.

5:22ChrisIs very compelling.

5:23LeeYeah.

5:23LeeI really enjoy the the mixture of the the action and comedy.

5:26LeeIt ran to me quite a lot of the the Rivers of London series.

5:31ChrisOh, nice.

5:31LeeOh yeah, it kind of had that same sort of feel to it, which yeah, which I think I'm about four or five books into that series.

5:37LeeSo it gives you an idea of how much I enjoyed them.

5:40AdamI I think he has just released another as well, actually, on Rivers of London.

5:44LeeYeah, I I think they're great.

5:46LeeBut yeah, and and this kind of struck me the same way, the action and everything's great, the sci-fi is really good.

5:52ChrisYeah.

5:53Leeit isn't kind of over it does that thing where it doesn't have to overexplain everything.

5:59LeeIt's like, this is the world and, you know, you're seeing it through.

6:03AdamYou you pick it up from circumstance and mentions, right, yeah.

6:08LeePrecisely, rather than it being too kind of backstory heavy, it just kind of gets on with it.

6:12LeeAnd yeah.

6:14AdamThat's that's good world building.

6:15ChrisYeah.

6:16LeeYeah.

6:17LeeSo yeah.

6:18ChrisI'm really impressed.

6:19LeeI'm glad that you've brought that up because yeah, I've very much enjoyed it too.

6:22LeeSo yeah, well done Benjamin Nash, we want more of that, please.

6:25LeeThank you very much.

6:26ChrisAbsolutely.

6:27LeeYeah.

6:28LeeIs that everything you've been up to?

6:31ChrisI I have also watched Memento, which I'm going to relate to a little bit of of a triangle.

6:39LeeOh, okay.

6:39AdamYes.

6:40LeeCool.

6:41ChrisSo again, not not not horror, but yeah.

6:43ChrisI'll mention it.

6:44AdamIt's it it kind of borders into psychological horror.

6:48ChrisYeah.

6:49AdamIt's a bit, I, it would, it wouldn't be.

6:53AdamIt would have been a Hitchcock film back in the 60s, Memento, I think.

6:57ChrisYeah, that's an interesting idea.

6:59ChrisYeah.

7:01ChrisYeah, and and watching it, I was thinking there aren't many films that have done essentially time travel.

7:07ChrisBecause from his perspective, it is time is completely messed up.

7:12ChrisThat they've done it so well with such a unique perspective.

7:15ChrisAnd then I watched Triangle and I was like, oh, that's interesting.

7:17LeeWell, that was why we why I thought we should cover it.

7:22LeeAdam and I had discussed it previously and said it'd be a good film to cover.

7:25LeeBut when we went to Horror on Sea and you said you loved the time.

7:28ChrisYes.

7:29ChrisYeah.

7:30LeeAdam is waving.

7:32AdamI'm just going to say swearing and spoilers.

7:34LeeOh, yes.

7:35LeeYes.

7:35LeeSorry.

7:36AdamEspecially for Triangle, before we say anything, if you've not seen Triangle, we are going to have to spoil it to even talk about it.

7:36ChrisWell, yeah, yeah, definitely don't listen.

7:44LeeYeah.

7:44AdamWatch it if you trust us and have not seen it.

7:47ChrisOtherwise all we can say is it's called Triangle.

7:50LeeYeah.

7:52AdamIt's it's called Triangle and that's it.

7:54ChrisIt has people in it.

7:56AdamYeah.

7:57LeeExcellent, well done, Chris.

7:59LeeAdam, what have you been watching?

8:03Adamwell, I I mean, this I'd almost forgotten I it was when I was only when I was trying to remember earlier to write down what I've been watching.

8:12AdamI watched Blackenstein, which is obviously, well, regards, well, not regarded is, a cheap cash in that was created after the success of Blackula, the black vampire film, which genuinely is good.

8:22AdamAnd, yeah, I can honestly say in terms of cheap knockoff, this on a budgetary level made thanks killing look like Avatar.

8:35AdamIt really is low budget.

8:39AdamBut and here's a really cool bit about it, the one thing that looks great is that they've, they've hired the same props they used in the Universal Frankenstein.

8:56AdamLike they found them, they found them available in a prop house.

8:58AdamSo the Frankenstein creation room is, I mean, it's not as good because they've hired the equipment, not the walls or anything like that.

9:06AdamSo it still likes like really sort of just a big empty space somewhere, someone's garage or whatever.

9:14Adambut they've got all the all the right stuff.

9:18Adamin there.

9:18AdamSo, yeah.

9:20Adamit's just a very fucking odd film.

9:25AdamSo.

9:26AdamBut again, I'm glad I've seen it.

9:28AdamSo, yeah.

9:29Adamand then,

9:30AdamWilliam Hurt, died in the week.

9:35Adamso.

9:36AdamObviously, RIP him.

9:38AdamRIP Peter Bowles, who we saw in Legend of Hell House.

9:43AdamI'd forgot because I'd almost forgotten because I was like, Peter Bowles never done a horror film, but he's in that.

9:47Adamand,

9:49AdamAlso we lost Ron Pember the other week, who is not as well known an actor.

9:53AdamBut he's definitely a well-known face, who's in just so much stuff.

9:59AdamHe's basically who Alan Ford is now.

10:02LeeYeah.

10:02AdamYou know Bricktop?

10:04AdamYeah, he's he's essentially that sort of, yeah, he he used to fulfill that that kind of a role.

10:07AdamBut,

10:09AdamYeah, so, but I watched, so I thought, I'm going to watch Altered States.

10:13AdamAnd it's it's a Ken Russell film, so I know it's going to have like literally hallucinogenic mentalness in it.

10:18Adambut I'd actually and I'll I I know this sounds weird because I because I'm a Ken Russell fan, but.

10:23AdamI'd actually forgotten that he's a very good director.

10:25Chris

10:26AdamInasmuch as, yeah, he does the visual stuff and things like that, but there's genuinely on the edge of your seat sort of bits where.

10:35AdamYou're sort of like, you know, they're sort of chasing people chasing a creature through a seller at a university and it's just sort of hanging around in the pipes and stuff like that.

10:43AdamAnd it's all sort of, yeah, the way it's shot is really cool.

10:46AdamBut, just to give you an idea I've I've I don't know if you've seen it, Lee?

10:50AdamI'm not sure.

10:51LeeI'm not, no.

10:52AdamAll right.

10:53ChrisChris.

10:53AdamAnd Chris, I take it you've not seen it?

10:56ChrisI haven't, no.

10:57AdamNo, but basically, well, you'll like this, basically the premise is,

11:03AdamWilliam Hurt is a scientist who is using, studying doing studies into century deprivation, so he's using century deprivation tanks and stuff like that.

11:13Chris

11:13AdamBut he finds a way of, he just, that was it, yeah, he basically goes on the,

11:21Adamwhite intellectual quest and goes and patronizes some people in South America.

11:26AdamAnd basically gets Ihuasca.

11:31AdamAnd, yeah, he's so he goes and does a ritual with them and trips his fucking tits off.

11:37Chris

11:37Adamso he decides what would be a really good idea is to take lots of this stuff and get in the isolation tank.

11:44Chris

11:46AdamAnd basically begins to devolve.

11:49AdamBecause he's sort of going back through because he's tripping, he's going back to the very source of humanity and stuff like that.

11:58AdamAnd yeah, he basically devolves into, yeah, a a cave creature and then sort of big glowing electric slug.

12:05AdamBut,

12:09AdamI genuinely, I think the the strangest thing I got watching it is even like the music that was in it.

12:15AdamIs so like the fly, like the Cronenberg version of the fly.

12:21Chris

12:21AdamThat I almost feel that that's what Cronenberg had watched and sort of.

12:27Adamformulated his way of redoing the fly.

12:31AdamBecause it really has that same sort of feeling.

12:34Adambut it's definitely.

12:37Adamdefinitely worth watch and like I say, you get it's there's a like 18-eyed goat Christ crucified and stuff like that.

12:45AdamYou know, you get lots of incredible stuff from the trippy ball sequences.

12:53Adamand, and like I say, it's actually.

12:56Adamyou know, it's a really well-shot horror film outside of, oh, and it's got these fucking really trippy bits.

13:01Chris

13:02AdamSo, yeah, I do recommend Altered States.

13:05Adamthe only other thing I've been watching that's kind of horror related is I've watched all of series three of Wellington Paranormal and still that show just goes from strength to strength, I think.

13:15AdamIt's just so fucking good.

13:17Adamthat that's the one which is is the two cops from the movie version of What We Do in the Shadows.

13:30AdamYou know when they come around and it's like.

13:33Adamwell, what are you doing there, this this this guy's dead on the floor, drunk, you know, does he want to lay there, no, he doesn't, does he, so come on, think think think these things through, guys.

13:42AdamLet's try and not make a mess.

13:43AdamAnd, yeah, it's them in their sort of own X-Files.

13:46AdamBut yeah,

13:48AdamSeries three, very good.

13:50LeeOh, I have to watch that.

13:51LeeI really enjoyed the first two seasons, the same as you did.

13:53LeeSo yeah, I have to watch that.

13:54AdamI think I think they're I think they've actually just been, I don't know whether it's just been on or it's just coming on, but they've,

14:02Adamthey've shot another now showing series four as well in New Zealand.

14:07LeeFantastic.

14:08AdamSo, yeah, but,

14:09AdamNo, it's just such a fantastic show.

14:12AdamAnd and it's I think certainly that and the series of What We Do in the Shadows.

14:15Adamare probably the best things out like, you know, certainly in terms of horror comedy, you know, or certainly on TV, I mean, it's such a few and far between thing anyway.

14:26AdamBut it used to be you'd have the league dominating things in that school.

14:28AdamBut yeah, it's,

14:29AdamNo, it's just a fantastic show.

14:31AdamAnd and.

14:32AdamEveryone should see it.

14:33LeeYes.

14:34LeeThere we go.

14:35LeeAbsolutely, totally agree.

14:38LeeI've caught up with a couple of movies, both from 2021.

14:43Leeso some nice modern fair, which isn't my normal viewing, I must admit.

14:47Leeso I caught up with a film called The Cursed.

14:52Leeit's well, I saw it called The Cursed, but it is also on IMDB as Eight for Silver.

14:58AdamSorry, Eight.

15:00LeeEight for Silver.

15:02AdamEight for Silver.

15:03AdamAll right.

15:04Leeso it stars Kelly Riley and Alistair Petrie, who's always great in everything he's in.

15:09Lee

15:11LeeAnd it is it's funny because I didn't realize it's set in 19th century France.

15:17LeeBecause they're all British actors in it, all right, speaking very British, and it it makes no difference to the story.

15:21AdamAll right.

15:21LeeAnd it.

15:22Leebut yeah, it's a really good tale.

15:26Leebasically a group of Romani travelers move onto a piece of land owned by aristocratic group.

15:33Leeand they have some kind of a claim to the land, it's kind of implied.

15:37Leeso basically they hire some mercenaries because someone says, oh, if they go and threaten them, they'll all just move on.

15:42LeeSo when they go and threaten them and they don't move on, they just slaughter the lot.

15:45Leeand someone puts a curse on them, and ultimately, it isn't too much of a giveaway because it's the cover of the, DVD.

15:50Leeyes, basically it's a a werewolf curse.

15:56AdamOh, wow, okay.

15:57Lee

15:58LeeYeah.

15:58AdamOh, I've I sorry, I've just looked up Alistair Petrie, I now know who you mean and yeah, he is fucking great.

16:04LeeYeah, again, again, it's one of those people you don't know his name, but every time you see him, you go, it's him, he's brilliant in everything, but yeah, I didn't know his name until until this.

16:12AdamIf you want to know how tragically things had got the other afternoon, I was so bored, I was compiling a list of British character actors who've played members of the Galactic Empire in Star Wars.

16:23AdamAnd, and I was so when I was going through it, I was like, why did they have him in the rebels, that's so annoying, he would have been a fucking perfect like Star Destroyer captain.

16:32LeeOh, he's fantastic in Utopia as well, the original, the original series, such a good show.

16:37LeeOh, yeah.

16:38Lee

16:41LeeBut yeah, so it was a really good film.

16:42LeeSo a lower budget, but that didn't damage it in any way.

16:46Leethe effects for the creatures, they get quite a bit of screen time.

16:50LeeAnd they they hold up really well.

16:54LeeSo, yeah, it's it's it's really good, it was one of those sort of last minute finds, I was like, oh, I know anything about it, I'll give it a go, it's got an interesting cover.

17:02Lee

17:03LeeAnd and really enjoyed it.

17:05LeeSo that's definitely one to check out.

17:08Leealso very low budget from 21, I watched Hellbender.

17:15AdamHellbender.

17:17AdamIs that got thingy in it, the one from Pompey Pole?

17:20LeeNo.

17:22AdamOh, sorry, I'm thinking of something else.

17:23LeeNo.

17:24Leeso basically it's a young girl and her mother, and they live out in a house kind of in the middle of a it's it's a modern house, but it's set aside from everyone out in the mountains.

17:37Leeit's never I don't think it's ever given any clear definition of where it is in the mountains.

17:44Leebut yeah, basically they're kept in and the daughter is kept away from everyone and he's told that she's ill.

17:51Leebut it later transpires that it isn't and basically.

17:55Leeit's I I won't give anything away because it's definitely a film worth watching, it's a slow burn and it's it's more psychological than anything.

18:03Leebut yeah, it is a a witch.

18:05AdamYou're selling it, you're selling it well there.

18:07LeeYeah.

18:08AdamWell, I'm fucking sold.

18:09LeeBut it is a witch, it's really it's got some some of the imagery in it is absolutely amazing.

18:14LeeYou'll love it, Adam, it's really, really good.

18:17Lee

18:17AdamCool.

18:18LeeBut yeah, yeah, really good movie, again, another one I'd seen the cover around and was sort of interested.

18:24LeeAnd I watched the trailer and I thought, well, I'll give it a go and see, but I've not really heard anyone talking about it.

18:29LeeYeah, and and was really impressed with it.

18:30LeeSo, yeah.

18:32LeeDefinitely also I recommend.

18:39Leebefore we jump into Triangle, a quick bit of news I wanted to bring up, I'm not sure if you guys have seen it.

18:44LeeSo Rob Zombie has come out talking about his Monsters remake and he said it is going for a PG rating.

18:50AdamYes, I saw that and which makes sense.

18:53LeeYeah.

18:53AdamBecause then you're doing the Monsters.

18:55LeeExactly, that was my concern is that he was going to try and zombie it effectively.

19:00LeeI'm I'm glad that he hasn't and he is going.

19:03Leeand Cassandra Peterson who plays Elvira is going to be in it as well.

19:08Leeso the more of the cast that come out, it's looking more and more like it could be a.

19:14ChrisSo this could be his biggest hit ever.

19:16LeeOh, let's hope, let's hope.

19:19LeeI've got good.

19:20LeeI mean, I I think it's again, it's one of those things that I don't know if it would work remaking it.

19:27LeeSo I've got reservations from the off, but if somebody could get it going.

19:31LeeI think Rob Zombie might be the person to do it.

19:36ChrisI imagine he could get the style, he would get a good style with it.

19:41ChrisI mean, certainly from what I've seen of him, he's definitely got the ability.

19:46AdamAlso, he's got, one of the cast is Sylvester McCoy, which immediately warmed me to it, obviously.

19:52LeeOh, is he really?

19:53LeeI didn't see that.

19:54AdamYeah, he's he's like, he's, I don't think I don't know if he's called Igor, but he's basically grandpa has a lab assistant.

20:02LeeFantastic.

20:04Adambecause,

20:07AdamYeah, the because I was I was thinking with it like the same as you leak because I mean, obviously there was The Monsters to Die, which was fucking dreadful.

20:19AdamBut had no right to be anything else.

20:24AdamBut I do think he'll, you know, I I think he recognizes what the appeal of it is.

20:31AdamAnd it's not to alter that.

20:34LeeYeah.

20:36AdamIt's, yeah.

20:37AdamIt doesn't sort of like, because, because weirdly enough.

20:39AdamI mean, obviously, I mean, there they started off as a cartoon anyway.

20:44Adambut the, like the Addams Family have obviously faired a lot better in this sort of thing where they've had.

20:54Adamyou know, I mean, sort of I'm not that massive a fan, but the, you know, good movies, reasonably, you know, watchable films.

21:01AdamThe latest animated ones are pretty good as well.

21:04LeeYeah, I enjoyed those.

21:05AdamYou know.

21:07AdamSo, yeah, it'll be nice for the Monsters to sort of come back in in into favor.

21:13AdamFunnily enough.

21:14AdamIt was something I was thinking the other day is I'm wondering if about showing it to Ted because I know there's nothing in it, but he he knows who Frankenstein is and he knows.

21:23AdamDrag, you know, he knows the horror archetypes and stuff like that.

21:27AdamSo.

21:28AdamYeah, I just thought that might it might amuse him, I don't know.

21:32LeeOh, definitely.

21:32LeeAnd and as you say, it's,

21:34LeeIt I mean, we grew up on them as kids, yeah, and it's definitely helped instill those characters, I think, and, and you know, and played a part in us going back and watching the old 30s and 40s movies, really.

21:48LeeSo, yeah, I think it's a it's it is again, it's another good jumping off point, isn't it, really, to to bring them in in such a family-friendly environment.

21:55LeeSo you get comfortable with the characters and then move more into their their actual horror.

22:01AdamYeah.

22:02AdamIt's like stuff like the groovy ghoulies as well and you know, you.

22:05LeeLove The Groovy Ghoulies.

22:08AdamBut I think that, yeah, no, I I think that because what was the one you showed me which was a pilot?

22:18AdamEddie Izzard was grandpa.

22:20LeeSo that was 13 13 Mockingbird Lane.

22:22AdamThat was it, yeah.

22:22LeeSo.

22:23AdamWhich tried to to sort of make it because I actually thought that was pretty reasonable, you know, it was a pretty good version, but that was someone trying to a update it so it wasn't using the universal looks of the Monsters.

22:33AdamBut also to sort of bring in more horror elements or whatever like that.

22:38AdamAnd actually, yeah, I sort of I was pondering with where the Rob Zombie would do something the same.

22:44AdamBut, you know, it looks like he's just going plain and simple with it.

22:46LeeYeah.

22:47LeeDefinitely, and that 13 13 Mockingbird like I was gutted when, after that pilot was ditched.

22:53LeeBecause I I again, like you, I'd really enjoyed it and was looking forward to seeing more.

22:58Leeand because it was such high production values and everything, I didn't see how it could fail.

23:03LeeBut unfortunately, it didn't test well.

23:04LeeAnd yeah.

23:05AdamYeah.

23:06AdamI think it was yeah, it was just one of those things, wasn't it, really, unfortunately.

23:09LeeYeah.

23:10AdamBut, yeah, I thought that had that really did have potential.

23:14LeeI then again saying that I thought the same with, the first season of Cowboy Bebop, I've just watched the live action first season of that.

23:18LeeI thought it was really, really good.

23:20LeeYeah, and they've canceled it before season two.

23:21AdamYeah.

23:22LeeWhat a terrible thing to do.

23:24AdamMind, I was very pleased to see that the because that was the one thing I did, I because I hadn't watched it.

23:30AdamBut I did, I watched up to the opening credits of the first episode.

23:34AdamBecause I was just like, what music are they using?

23:36AdamBecause obviously Cowboy Bebop like the cartoon and then it was just, oh, you're just using the music, fair enough, well done, well done, everyone.

23:42LeeThat's good.

23:43AdamThat's good.

23:44AdamPass.

23:45LeeYeah.

23:46Lee

23:47LeeRight, so without further ado, as we say, we are going to go into spoiler territory.

23:51LeeBecause it's impossible not to.

23:54Leewe had told Chris, literally don't read anything, don't look at anything, just find the film and watch it.

24:03ChrisAnd I'm glad I did.

24:05LeeYes, good, I'm glad to hear it.

24:07LeeSo what did you make of it?

24:09ChrisWell, yeah, yeah, as you correctly, you know, knew.

24:13ChrisI'd mentioned my love of time travel movies or movies that play with the idea of time.

24:21Chris

24:22ChrisAnd yeah, so as I mentioned earlier, Memento, which it's.

24:28ChrisYou said again, so spoil it for some people who haven't seen it, even though it's a fairly old movie now, but it feels like time travel is happening because of the way it's presented.

24:41ChrisAnd essentially from his perspective, he is reliving the same experience every day.

24:45ChrisExcept if he's got new notes because obviously he's got, is it antegrade amnesia?

24:51AdamYeah.

24:51ChrisI know he says it's not amnesia throughout, but but essentially he can't make new memories.

24:55LeeYeah.

24:55ChrisSo he remembers everything from before an accident where he had a head trauma.

25:01Chrisyeah, but so he can't remember anything new.

25:03ChrisAnd it it's it's a fascinating idea.

25:05ChrisI mean, for somebody that that happens to, you are just.

25:10AdamHe's Christopher Nolan, isn't it?

25:12ChrisIs.

25:12ChrisYeah, yes, and I didn't realize that, I mean, I saw it, I think when it first came out, long time ago now.

25:17ChrisBut yeah, and I had no idea though, having seen his more recent movies, completely makes sense that he would take on something like that.

25:23AdamOh, yeah.

25:23ChrisAnd and the way that it's shot that you work your way backwards, but again, you're following his story and he's trying to piece together that he's he's his life.

25:30ChrisAnd you know, the the people in it and, you know, from his perspective, who do you trust and and sort of it's it's a very complex.

25:37ChrisBut I thought such a clever way to to play with the idea, like presenting that, in a film, it's got to be very difficult to make it make sense.

25:47ChrisAnd equally with this, I mean, essentially to spoil this straight away,

25:54ChrisThe the way the time loops.

25:57Chrisand and now, so obviously I've watched this once.

26:00ChrisAnd I was so tempted to watch it again, I didn't actually watch it today, which I normally do, I watched it yesterday, and I was if I had time, I would have liked to have watched some of it again.

26:08ChrisBecause I'm I'm trying to remember, and again, I didn't want to look anything up.

26:12ChrisI said to Lee, I looked up the name of the ship because I was trying to think back to the,

26:20Chrisessentially the story of Sisyphus.

26:24AdamYeah.

26:24ChrisRolling the boulder up the hill and replaying it.

26:26ChrisAnd and so, so I'm kind of jumping around a bit here as I I do.

26:31ChrisAnd especially with this movie.

26:33LeeWe do, it's fine.

26:34ChrisWell, yeah, yeah.

26:35ChrisBut so, so you, they tell you the name of the ship.

26:38ChrisWhich I have forgotten again, A Aeolus.

26:43AdamAeolus, yeah.

26:45ChrisRight.

26:46ChrisThey explain that about halfway through the film that that's the ship they're on.

26:49ChrisAnd the reason that it's called that.

26:52ChrisAnd so you know that that is happening and and it seems like it's probably happening to Jess.

26:59Chrisbecause obviously there's something a bit strange about her.

27:05ChrisBut now what I can't remember is, right, every time she goes through the time loop.

27:11AdamYeah.

27:11ChrisDoes it reveal more about the previous one, I couldn't remember if you knew what had happened to her son at the start.

27:17ChrisI'm fairly certain you didn't, right.

27:18ChrisBecause that's sort of the point is you don't know.

27:21ChrisI was like, oh, hold on, when you see the very end.

27:24ChrisI was like, what did they what did they tell you at the start?

27:27ChrisLike, it it was obviously meant to be a bit confusing.

27:31AdamYeah.

27:31ChrisBecause you're trying to piece it together.

27:33ChrisBut.

27:34AdamIt's the well, the sort of implication is that by the time she's on the loop.

27:38AdamReturning to the boat.

27:39ChrisYeah.

27:40AdamThat's when she loses her memory, essentially.

27:45ChrisOkay.

27:46Adamand that she regains.

27:48AdamBut then she regains it as she's going through.

27:50ChrisAs she as it.

27:51ChrisYeah.

27:51ChrisOkay.

27:52AdamAnd there's notes that added and stuff.

27:54LeeSo I noticed that this time, it's the point where she wakes up and she says, I had a horrible dream.

27:58LeeAnd the woman says to, what did you dream, and she said, I can't remember.

28:01LeeSo I think.

28:01ChrisOh, yeah.

28:02LeeSo I think her memory restarts when she falls asleep.

28:05LeeAnd that's when the loop.

28:06LeeBut that was what I loved about this was the fact that you thought the loop was just from when she stepped.

28:09ChrisYeah.

28:10Leeonto the cruise ship.

28:11LeeAnd it kept playing up and over.

28:13LeeAnd then when she gets out of it, you're like, oh.

28:15LeeThank God she's out of it.

28:17LeeAnd then as soon as you realize that this is also the loop and she's coming back around again to restart, you're like, oh, no, it's it's a loop.

28:24LeeIt's a multiple loops within a single larger loop and it's so growling, you feel awful for.

28:25ChrisYeah.

28:29ChrisAnd and but and the way it does reveal extra perspectives on each of the experiences they're going through.

28:33ChrisYeah, you know, it's so well done, like it is great.

28:39Chrisbecause yeah, just seeing that bit extra every time, but then the next loop is sort of coming and like how she going to interact with them next and then seeing the one before.

28:50ChrisIt's yeah, it's fascinating.

28:55AdamThe the curious thing is if you watch it from watching it from the start.

29:00AdamThere's one bit that's slightly out, but there's certain things such as she has got a noticeably heavy bag.

29:09LeeYeah.

29:10AdamNoticeably heavy.

29:11LeeOkay, yeah, you notice that when she saw it, when she put the bag in the boat, she was like.

29:15LeeThat's a very bad, especially when she got on, what does she have that massive bag to get on the boat?

29:17LeeBut of course.

29:18ChrisYeah.

29:18LeeThat's why she didn't take the bag with that.

29:21ChrisSo that's it, that's what I was trying to think what were the clues that were you could have picked up on throughout.

29:26LeeWhat I.

29:27LeeSorry, go.

29:28AdamI don't know if you can, to be honest.

29:29AdamI think there's because I mean.

29:30AdamThe history of this is for me is that Lee showed me this.

29:33AdamAnd I'm eternally fucking grateful because it's great.

29:35AdamBut I remember, I remember being totally blown away by it sort of on first watch.

29:43AdamWatching it this time round, obviously coming in from the point that I know what's happening and everything, it's actually really fascinating like how like you say, there's this weird thing also where you get where you you there's a weird thing where you get with it, which is when you realize that there's three Jese on the ship at any one time.

29:55ChrisYeah.

29:57AdamRather than because you're used to time loops and stuff where people go back and meet themselves.

30:05ChrisThey might, yeah, the one.

30:06AdamBut the fact this sort of crosses through three loops sort of cross, but like a spyrograph rather than three separate circles.

30:15AdamIt's like, yeah.

30:16AdamIt's some weird Venn diagram of.

30:18ChrisYeah, complexity seems to just increase.

30:22AdamYeah.

30:23AdamYeah.

30:23AdamIt's.

30:24Adamquite.

30:24ChrisYeah.

30:25AdamYeah.

30:25AdamBut it sort of.

30:26Adamit does help.

30:27Adammake a.

30:28Adammake a very good sense of it.

30:30AdamAnd actually, I mean, it's I think the director stated, one of them was one of the influences with dead of night.

30:35AdamBut he said he wanted to explore it.

30:36AdamSo it wasn't just how dead of night loops at the end.

30:40LeeYeah.

30:41AdamOr indeed something like ghost stories, you know, where they put themselves in this like a turnal loop, eternal damnation sort of thing, even Krampus kind of does it as well, and yeah, but I think that this is it's much more interesting that it's like, no, we're going to explore what the implications are of it.

30:56Adamrather than just, oh, so that's what's going on.

30:59LeeYeah.

31:00AdamYou know.

31:00LeeSo it's a mechanism.

31:01LeeRather than the final stinger at the end, you kind of learn very early on that you're in a loop, it's saying it's and then the final stinger of course is, yeah, is that that loop is taking place within a larger loop.

31:10ChrisBig loop, yeah.

31:12LeeYeah.

31:12AdamYeah.

31:13AdamBecause you assume the loop is the boat, you assume, you're almost assume that the boat's like the hotel in The Shining or something like that, where it's like the the that's contained there. Yeah. Funny you should say that, did you notice the cabin number when she was.

31:31LeeNo, I did.

31:35AdamYeah.

31:35LeeWhen she goes in, 237 is the room that she goes into that's got go to the theater written in blood on the mirror.

31:40ChrisOh.

31:40AdamNo. Yeah.

31:43LeeYeah.

31:44AdamOh, fuck.

31:46AdamTrouble is I'm I'm going through the whole.

31:47LeeNo, I'm going to tell Liam.

31:48AdamOh, right.

31:49LeeSorry.

31:49AdamNo, it was it was just.

31:50LeeSo I'm sorry.

31:52AdamI'm going to explain it.

31:54AdamI wasn't going to, I was just going to leave it there.

31:55AdamBut I feel I'm I'm.

31:56AdamI'm going to have to tell people now.

31:58AdamNext to all the all the cards in the CD section were hand written, so, you know, like of the band names as you were going through and everything.

32:09AdamAnd Dot Alison, someone obviously really fancied Dot Alison.

32:12AdamSo they put Dot Alison and.

32:14AdamLike just four N's lower case, like.

32:17AdamSo.

32:18AdamYeah.

32:18AdamThere we go.

32:21Adamand,

32:23AdamAnd actually she is married to Christian Henson.

32:27AdamSo I I assume that was an easy call to make.

32:28AdamWhere it was like, you're trying to send in vocal from the film, the film of.

32:33AdamDo you?

32:34AdamYes.

32:34AdamSo.

32:35AdamWe'll see.

32:35AdamIf that happens or not.

32:36LeeRight.

32:37AdamWell, so yeah, so,

32:39Adamrequest, Rosemary's Baby next episode.

32:41LeeWhoa.

32:42AdamHopefully by then Colin will have changed.

32:43AdamAnd I won't sound quite so much like I've eaten a pillow.

32:45AdamSo.

32:46LeeYeah, I'm the same, I keep I keep bunging up and having to move around to keep my circulation going.

32:50Leebut there you go.

32:52LeeSo now you all know about my snot, I'll let you all go.

32:54LeeThanks ever so much for listening.

32:56LeeGood night.

32:57ChrisGood night.

32:58AdamGood night.