Blood Night
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It’s full on slasher territory this time, as we discuss 2009’s “Blood Night: The Legend of Mary Hatchet”. A film in which we witness the dangers of using a pickaxe for amateur colonic irrigation; realise that the lessons of “Scream” thirteen years ago have been long forgotten by the subsequent generation of horny teens; and the stinky man from the cemetery is to be trusted implicitly (at least when he’s Bill fucking Moseley!). Along the way we discuss the Long Island urban folklore that inspired the film, “Galaxy of Terror” (again), “Scream” 2022, “The Mangler”, “The Witch” (again), and “The Devil’s Men” aka “Land of the Minotaur”. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND/SPEECH QUALITY ISSUES - THIS EPISODE WAS RECORDED REMOTELY, IN A DISUSED PSYCHIATRIC FACILITY.
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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeAnd we are here this evening to talk about 2009's Blood Night, the Legend of Mary Hatchet.
LeeBut before we do, laden with swearing and spoilers, no doubt.
LeeChris, what have you been watching in horror since our last meeting?
ChrisSo, so I've tried to do something really, really well, yeah, absolutely.
Chrisyeah, I've tried to do something really clever tonight. I've posted on Instagram to synchronize with this live event, which is not going to be live for anyone who listens to it, so it makes no sense whatsoever.
ChrisThey some of some of the people out there may have seen my my story post, so this gives away if you know what I've been watching.
ChrisAnd and it's it's played on my mind since we watched it, I wanted to watch it again for years now. Amazing. It was years ago that we watched this.
LeeI like, where's time gone?
AdamWhy are we so fucking old?
ChrisWell, and I always wondered because for me it really was like I kept saying it it felt documentary-like in its attention to detail.
Chrisand was it supernatural, was there a witch or wasn't there? And I like, what did the what did the writer and director, I think, think, what was his view?
ChrisAnd interestingly enough, I I decided to look it up, which I I don't tend to do, but I thought I've got to try and see if he spoke about it.
ChrisSo, the film is The Witch, if I don't know if Adam had figured that out, but yeah.
ChrisI'd mention it to Lee just before we came on, but go on.
AdamI think I I think I got it when you said it was a documentary like.
ChrisYeah, because supernatural or not, and I was like, all right, okay.
ChrisThat that does narrow it down, but yeah, I mean I said that at the time that that's how it came across to me. Like there's definitely it's minimal to the horror aspects.
ChrisNow, when you do see the witch, whether she's real or not, it's there's, you know, that's pretty harrowing scenes with her.
Chrisbut yeah, so I just I really wondered what Roger Eggers, what he thought.
ChrisAnd I came across an interview with him, it says the voices of the undead Robert, not Roger, Robert Eggers on The Witch, the writer-director of this archetypal New England horror story talks about how he pulled a powerful Puritan's nightmare from our collective unconscious.
ChrisAnd at one point, one of the questions is, The Witch has been likened to a horror film, but it's also a gothic study of faith and patriarchy, akin to say, The Devils or even The Village.
ChrisNow, we haven't seen either of those, but I'm fairly certain you've both mentioned The Village.
LeeI assume that's the M. Night.
AdamShyamalan one.
LeeYeah, I was thinking of the M. Night one.
LeeI watched it fairly recently, so I mentioned it in a what would've been watching that I'd seen it, I believe.
ChrisYeah, okay.
Chrisand at times it feels almost like a documentary account of the harshness of 17th-century life in America. How would you characterize your film?
ChrisAnd he replied with, 'I wanted this film to be like a nightmare from the past, like a Puritan's nightmare that you could upload into the mind's eye, and it's a folk tale.'
ChrisCertainly classifying it in the realm of, like you've got to buy a ticket and see it, it's a horror movie, but I think also good fairy tales and folk tale are always family dramas and a family drama is the most interesting drama.
ChrisThis is what we're always living out in our lives with all of the relationships that we have, and there's a reason why Lear and Hamlet tend to be considered the finest Shakespeare plays.
ChrisAnd the reason why, Luke, I'm your father, and not Luke, I am some guy. And in the complex dynamics of this family within this cabin fever situation, all this Freudian stuff is brewing up and then exploding and exploding in junkin ways.
ChrisAnd he essentially says, 'You can, I don't mind, you can view it either way, as if there is really a witch, or as if it is all just everything's going wrong.'
ChrisAnd, you know, once things start to break down, it's much harder to then deal with the next problem and it cascades into this this nightmare.
Chrisand and that's how I I probably prefer to view it when it's I I think, you know, trying to reflect on all the different films we've seen, if it's full-on supernatural, that's good.
ChrisAnd I view that in a certain way.
ChrisIf it's something where it's mostly real life, but with a a question mark, something's happening, then I tend to think I prefer to think of it that it's in their minds, because I find that the most fascinating, how what we perceive is not reality, and we can conjure up all sorts of horrors in our minds when there's, you know, it's just the wind making a noise.
ChrisSo, I find that the fascinating aspect of it, and so that's why I think this film stood out so much is because it it really can be seen both ways, and it works fantastically for both.
AdamIt's got that ambiguity there, definitely.
AdamI mean, I personally with The Witch, I prefer to read that as a supernatural event, because that gives it a happy ending.
AdamIf if you see what I mean.
AdamBecause otherwise it is just, it's the at that point.
AdamIt becomes like Brazil or something where it's like, oh, no, she's just gone mad.
ChrisIt's just because.
ChrisYeah, well that's that is that is a bit too mad, yeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamI think because it's a but also weirdly enough, I think the ambiguous readings are actually quite the scariness, it's like The Omen.
AdamLike the thing with The Omen is is that if you read it as a battle against the Antichrist, it's quite scary and, you know, so on and so forth.
AdamBut if you read it as a man slowly goes mad and is shot dead trying to murder his own son in a church, you know, that actually is far worse and far more horrifying than the birth of the Antichrist, weirdly.
AdamBut I think I like that thing you said though about the family thing, because I think that is something that does come up, I mean, like Poltergeist, Hereditary, a lot of it is centered around, yeah.
AdamOr even actually, I mean, even even when it's groups of people, there is that element of family.
ChrisYeah, yeah, their relationships.
AdamBut I mean, well, the classic slasher, I mean, obviously, what with what we're covering tonight, but like the classic slasher thing where it's just it's a group of friends who, you know, are it's that sort of a family, it's a a family of friends rather than, you know, a biological or whatever family.
ChrisYeah, yeah, definitely.
AdamIt's interesting though, he mentioned The Devils. Now, I don't think Lee's seen The Devils, I'm not sure that,
AdamHave have you mate, Chris?
ChrisDon't believe I have, no.
AdamThe Devils is fucking brilliant and it's fucking extraordinary.
AdamIt is kind of a horror film, but it's basically, it's, Ken Russell.
AdamSo, already, it's fucking mad as a box of frogs.
AdamAnd, Ollie Reed is, and it's base, it is based on a true story.
Adamwhich was basically this, group of nuns in France,
Adambasically accused a cardinal of possessing them with the devil and coming to them at night and sleeping with them and...
LeeI know the true story that that's based on.
LeeYeah, didn't know that that was what the film was about.
AdamYeah, The Devils of Loudun, isn't it? Yeah.
AdamAnd, yeah, so basically, it's it's that and again, I think Ken Russell goes with he goes with gothic horror, but it is pretty much done from the point of view of, no, this is a lot of people swept up in a hysteria.
Adamand essentially a good man dies.
AdamOr not, I mean, not necessarily good, he's quite a flawed character, but he is he's not what they are accusing him of and he is not the monster that they ascribe him to be.
Adam
Adambut yeah, I mean, it's like like I say, I mean, it's it's Ken Russell as well, so it's like lesbian nun OG's and just yeah, it's fucking insane.
AdamThere is the line, which I think, Lee's brother Dean had on his WhatsApp for ages, which was,
AdamA crocodile? What fresh madness is this?
LeeYeah.
AdamWhich is a line from the because because this is the thing, is he, the the character, like Ollie Reed's character, is basically, although he is religious and believes in God and everything, and this is sort of like the Inquisition sort of era.
Adam
Adambut he's also quite progressive.
AdamAnd again, that's another reason why the church authorities are quite happy to hang him out to dry.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBecause he goes around sort of saying, well, no, this is bullshit, or, you know, and and and he has confrontations with plague doctors about like, you know, where it's just like quacks trying on, you know, you know, sort of and that's where the crocodile line comes from.
AdamWhere it's like they're trying to treat someone and they've got a stuffed crocodile in there for some fucking reason.
AdamAnd,
Adambut yeah, I mean, it's he is a fucking brilliant film.
AdamIt is.
ChrisCould we get this on the list?
AdamRight.
AdamI I mean, I would say, I would say I would encourage you both to watch it.
Adam
AdamI'm again, I think we could put it on, I think we could do it as an episode.
AdamBut I think yeah, I think it's one to watch where you're like sort of you might want to do the episode knowing what you're getting into rather than sort of because there's it's a lot.
AdamI will say that and there is.
LeeIt's not strictly horror, either, although it's.
AdamIt's.
LeeAlthough it is horrific, it's not for someone you know, the story as it is.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd but I mean he does, I mean he films it fantastically and there's a there's a curious thing as well which is that, the convent isn't sort of sweeping arches and things like that.
AdamA lot of it takes place in very sort of clean tiled rooms that look almost surgical.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd, you know, there is a it's it has very much has its own flavor and it has its own it's Ken Russell, so immediately does anyway.
AdamBecause he's a mad dirty bugger, so it's sort of, you know.
AdamI mean, I remember there was he was on Celebrity Big Brother once and there was the guy, what was it? Donny Taret, or Danny Taret from a he was like in a punk band that was fucking Towers of London, thank you.
Adamwere like a punk band who were like sort of big for about two minutes in the 2000s, and he was on there talking to Ken Russell.
AdamAnd he was like explaining to him the term MILF, but he didn't want to say fuck in front of Ken Russell.
AdamAnd I'm like, have you any idea who you are talking to here?
AdamBecause, you know,
AdamKen's not going to be shocked, I know to you he seems like this sort of like rather posh old boy, but actually no.
AdamHe is, yeah, he is pure filth and if you've thought about it, he's probably done it, so, you know, it's.
AdamBut, I mean it's I I recommend it, but it's like one that.
AdamI think watch it and judge whether we do it on the show, because it's like, yeah, it's not strictly horror.
AdamIt gets mentioned with horror a lot.
Adam
Adamand I mean, I suppose something something similar.
AdamWould be Robert Eggers like The Lighthouse.
Chrisyeah.
AdamAgain, not strictly horror, but it really.
ChrisAlthough hard hard to categorize under much else.
AdamExactly.
AdamAnd that's pretty much the same with The Devils, in a weird way.
ChrisYeah, like who else will it appeal to aside from weird, dark people?
AdamI I mean, it's.
AdamIt is a.
ChrisIt's not, it's not light watching.
AdamIt's extreme.
AdamI'll put it that way.
AdamAnd, there's bits of it that are still cut out to this day.
LeeWow.
AdamWhere they're like, no, you're not doing that.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt's like, no, she can't frigger herself with the thigh bone of a burnt man. No.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah.
LeeInteresting.
AdamYeah, and I know.
LeeCool.
AdamAnd I know.
LeeI'm really glad you went back and rewatched The Witch, though, Chris, because.
LeeI mean, I remember we were impressed with it at the time.
LeeAnd obviously Adam and I've watched it multiple times, but I know you're not generally one who goes back and rewatches stuff an awful lot.
ChrisIt's amazing how much there is to watch, it's hard to fit in.
ChrisBut, yeah, I mean, that was certainly one that stood out from early on.
ChrisAnd amazing how long ago it was, but there you go.
LeeFantastic.
AdamYeah, it must have been must have been one of our really early episodes, like 10 or something, wasn't it?
ChrisYeah.
LeeWell, I think if I, have I got it right, is it this year that we've been recording for five years?
LeeI got that right?
AdamAbout that, I think.
ChrisIt could well be.
LeeI know.
AdamMy scientific advisor is nodding.
LeeYeah.
LeeSo, so yeah, last month we'd been recording this for five years.
AdamBloody hell.
LeeBloody hell.
AdamI was on one of the first episodes, I wasn't, I was on it after a while.
AdamAnd I was pregnant with Ted.
LeeOh.
AdamAnd Ted's four this year.
ChrisYeah, that's true.
LeeSo yeah, five.
ChrisThat's that's a good way to measure.
AdamCheck out the episode pre-venge.
LeeYes.
ChrisYes.
LeeYes.
AdamYou're on The Lost Boys as well, don't forget that.
AdamShameless self-promotion.
ChrisPre-venge was number 25.
Adamthank you. There we go.
LeeIt's funny how early we covered some of that stuff when I think about it now. It still seems fairly recent, but.
AdamWell, I think The Witch, it was actually, it was pretty new.
ChrisIt was number 10.
ChrisNumber 10.
AdamAnd was it?
AdamYeah, it'd only been out a couple of, I think it'd only been out a couple of years when we covered it.
Chrisyeah.
ChrisYeah, you're right.
AdamSo, it's weird because now it would be considered an older movie, you know, if we covered it now, it's an older movie.
AdamBut at the time we were like, this just came out.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt's I mean, it's an interesting thing.
AdamFunnily enough, I was look when I was sort of looking, when I, sort of researched the films and stuff like that.
AdamIt's quite common now that even if they've even if we've covered someone previously, it's pretty common now that they've done another couple of movies since.
Chris
AdamYeah.
AdamLast.
ChrisYeah, or the the Green The Green Knight.
LeeYes.
ChrisThat is on my list.
ChrisDefinitely going to.
LeeYeah, you really need to see that.
LeeReally, really, do.
LeeIt's amazing. Again, not again, it's another one of those, if it wasn't for the fact that I it'd be a tight squeeze to call it a horror film.
LeeIt'd be fantastic to cover.
LeeBut it's just not quite, but again, as you said, you would have to put it.
LeeIf you had to categorize it, it would go in as horror because it doesn't fit anything else, but.
LeeBut yeah, a fantastic movie.
LeeWonderful.
AdamThe thing I loved about that film is, and this is something you'll probably appreciate Chris, because you've now come to the or you I think have you come to the end of your Marvel run, haven't you?
ChrisYes.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah, is the great thing about it is that it does expect you to know some Arthurian legend.
AdamSo, when when you go into it, you're like, it's like clocking into like a second Avengers movie or like Iron Man 2 completely cold.
AdamSo, but you've got to be like, oh, so that's that guy.
AdamWho's in this in another film, or whatever, like that, so it's like, oh, so that's Merlin.
AdamEven though he's got like one line.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut you know, but obviously you know he's a big deal.
AdamYeah.
ChrisSo.
ChrisI'm just going to finish off my my segment here by saying, here's the the the spiel that we wrote for it.
ChrisJoin Lee, Chris and Adam as they take the Horrormobile back to New England 1630 to experience Robert Eggers' incredible 'The Witch'.
ChrisMarvel as the guys go skyclad.
ChrisDon't worry folks, this is audio only.
ChrisWill they get ergot poisoning? Will they mistakenly suckle a raven? Will they live deliciously?
ChrisThere you go.
LeeNow, credit where it's due, as well, we should tell everyone that Adam writes the the descriptions for all of the episodes.
LeeBecause they do make me laugh every single time I read them, so,
AdamThank you.
ChrisI think we need to turn that into like a short book, really, at some point.
ChrisThey they are they are some genius.
LeeOh, like a like a Charlie Brooker style, will just book of the descriptions of all the episodes.
AdamWe should, well, what we'll what we'll do is that this is this is what we'll do, we'll have to we'll have to do a book which is just purely the kind of based on our reviews.
AdamWhere it's like just an an archive of all the films we've watched and how fucking, not only that, but also you you would get that impression of, wow, we jump about a lot.
ChrisYes.
AdamYou know.
AdamI've been I've been listening to actually I've been listening to a podcast, which I would recommend, called Hammer House of Podcast.
Adam
Adamwhich is Lisbeth Miles and I'm I'm not doing it's not A Lisbeth, it's Lisbeth Miles.
AdamAnd, Paul Cornell, who is a, well, they're both writers, but like Paul Cornell and and Lisbeth Miles have both written stuff for Doctor Who.
AdamWhich is why I know them.
Adambut it's basically them going through all the Hammer films in order.
LeeOh.
AdamOh, that's nice.
Adamand it's it's really weird because when you do it that way.
AdamYou sort of like because you always the way you sort of block them in your head.
AdamAnd then you actually find out, oh no, there's like eight films between, Curse of Frankenstein before you even get to another big classic or something like that.
AdamBecause they've not, I don't think they've got to The Devil Rides Out yet or anything like that.
AdamBut it's sort of,
Adamand it's it's interesting as well.
AdamBecause there is there there there are ones in there that I've never seen.
AdamBy the man who could cheat death and things like that.
AdamWhich are all sort of.
AdamThey're ones I'm aware of, but I've never either had the fortune to find it on the telly at one point.
AdamSo just casually moved into it.
AdamOr or sort of investigated it, but yeah, it's I mean, it's,
Adamyeah, so our scattershot approach, I think, is slightly.
LeeWell, it's funny you saying about, you know, obviously jokingly saying we should release a book.
LeeI I near when I finished my first notepad that we were using.
ChrisYeah.
LeeI've got like a proper leather-bound leather book.
Leeand when I finished my first one, part of me was like, do you know what, be a bit of fun, we should have a competition and I'll just give it away, but then I realized whoever gets it would think I've I've got some kind of disability.
LeeBecause I sit in the dark writing, so it looks such a mess when I finished with it, it looks like it's been written by a five-year-old.
LeeI was like, they're going to think I've got broken hands.
LeeSo I I decided not to for that reason.
LeeAlso, a lot of it is things like, so for this evening's movie, I got so into the film.
LeeI've written one note which is, 'Why the fuck is she naked?'
ChrisThat's right, it's the it's the ergot poisoning.
ChrisDon't worry.
LeeSo, yeah, that didn't really help.
LeeAnyway, sorry.
Lee
LeeGet us back on track.
LeeAdam.
LeeWhat horror have you been watching, young man?
Adamwell, I watched, I finally got it on Blu-ray, I watched Galaxy, I rewatched Galaxy of Terror.
AdamWhich we definitely need to cover on the show just because.
AdamBasically,
Adamimagine 'Alien' meets 'Event Horizon'.
ChrisOoh.
AdamUnfortunately, it's not that.
AdamBut it kind of is.
AdamIt's a Roger Corman film from 1981.
AdamSo, a bit on a bit of a budget.
AdamBut,
Adamit's got Sid Haig, Robert Englund and these and not just like little roles, this is them, like, you know, they're main characters.
AdamAaron Moran from Happy Days, who used to play Joanie Cunningham.
AdamAnd Grace Zabriskie, who played Laura Palmer's mom.
LeeAnd I do remember us discussing this at length sometime.
LeeI think it must have been our House of a Thousand Corpses or Spider Baby, I'm guessing.
AdamProbably around that sort of point.
AdamBut yeah, and,
Adamyeah, I mean, it's it's just fucking mad.
AdamBut,
ChrisI've just had a quick look, the summary says, 'Science fiction suspense thriller'.
ChrisIn which a rescue spaceship crew meets up with horrors projected by their own imaginations'.
ChrisThat definitely sounds very good.
AdamIt's it's well, it has that marvelous effects.
AdamI think if I remember rightly when I last talked about it, of it's aliens, but they seem to have like ghosts and magic.
ChrisYeah, that's right.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd you kind of like, hang on, you're aliens, you didn't have to add in ghosts and magic.
ChrisYeah, I remember you saying this.
AdamBut, but no, I mean, it's it's unashamedly, I enjoy it.
AdamAnd it is a very sort of, it's clearly and it's clearly from that era where everyone wanted to do Star Wars.
Adam
Adambut as I but and the other thing is that the production manager is James Cameron.
ChrisOh, that's interesting.
AdamSo, it does have elements of dry runs for Aliens.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd you've got stuff in there like sort of like all the crew have got backpacks with lights on that feels very like in Alien, where they've got like the headlights on the,
Adamon the helmets and they have like over-the-shoulder lights and things like that.
AdamAnd it's kind of like, oh, this is this is you this is like a demo version.
AdamOf what you're going to do later.
Adam
Adambut yeah, and I and I think, yeah, I just think we should cover it in the show.
AdamBecause it's fucking barmy and entertaining.
ChrisIt says here, trivia, the set dresser on this film was Bill Paxton before he took to acting.
AdamYeah.
ChrisOh.
ChrisYeah, that's how he knows James Cameron.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYeah, yeah, you're right.
AdamSo, that's that's how you know James Cameron.
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