Halloween
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About
It’s only taken us 98 episodes to finally turn our attention to undisputed classic, slasher blueprint and seasonal favourite John Carpenter’s “Halloween”. A film in which Jamie Lee Curtis hides in the wardrobe and Donald Pleasence hides in a bush; heavy breathing phone calls are very popular; the local Sheriff apparently doesn’t recognise the smell of weed; and Michael Myers has a dog for dinner. Along the way we discuss “Never Hike In The Snow”, “The Running Man”, “The Halloween Tree”, “The Babysitter: Killer Queen” and the VR version of “Doom: Annihilation” Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES -CURRENT QUARANTINE MEASURES MEANT WE HAD TO RECORD THIS EPISODE REMOTELY.
Questions
Answered from what Lee, Adam and Chris say in the episode. Open an answer to read their exact words.
Is Halloween actually scary?
Adam finds the daylight scenes creepier, such as when Michael Myers is standing out of focus by a hedge. Lee was particularly unnerved by the sound design, specifically the realistic sound of breathing reverberating inside the mask.
Adam I've forgotten how much he is around. And weirdly enough, that's another one that I always find, I always find the daylight stuff creepier. Like when he just stands, when he's standing by the hedge.
Adam And it's just out of focus, because you don't really make out the mask. Almost till the very end.
Adam It could be it could be a very pale face or it could be a you know, it's not it's never quite seen.
Lee I think it was the sound of it was what got me this time, I don't remember noticing that before. The scenes where it's from his eyes and it is it's that perfect sound of when you're wearing a mask and you can just hear your own breath reverberate.
Lee And it's just so unnerving.
What is Halloween really about?
The hosts discuss how people have attached the theme of sex equaling death to the film, though they note this does not fully compute since Michael Myers goes after Laurie anyway. They also mention John Carpenter's perspective that the other characters are simply too wrapped up in their own lives to notice the danger, whereas Laurie is more removed and slightly more aware.
Adam Which which kind of which it does kind of make us because this is the thing as well where loads of people have attached to. Um of attached to Halloween, the whole thing of like, uh sex equals death. So if you have sex, you're going to die, but if you don't, you. But that doesn't compute because Michael Myers goes after Laurie anyway.
Chris He doesn't manage to kill her in this film.
Adam He doesn't manage to kill her, but but but the but then as. I think John Carpenter said it's like, everyone else is so wrapped up in their own shit that they've not noticed, it's just that Laurie is sort of like a removed sort of person. She's a bit sort of awkward.
Adam So she's just got slightly she's slightly more aware. Whereas everyone else is just busy trying to get laid, so they're not really concentrating.
Transcript
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LeeGood evening, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeUh sorry, I went into that a little bit quickly and caught everybody slightly off guard.
LeeUm so, we are here to discuss as it is our Halloween or nearest to Halloween episode, um we are here to discuss Halloween from 1978, which as we mentioned last time, we haven't yet watched.
ChrisThat seems surprising.
LeeI think it's one of those I don't want to get too much into it, but for me it's one of
Leelike I I've said before so many times, I love a slow burn film, but they're not the ones I go back to time and time again.
LeeThey're the ones that resonate with me, but I'm less likely to just sit there and like, you would think of it and go, that's the one.
LeeYeah.
LeeI'm going to watch Row baby, like I just don't.
AdamThey're the ones
ChrisOh, you keep you keep dropping that hint, it's like that is getting built up and built up.
AdamThat's the best.
AdamIt's part of a very long list, Chris, as we sort of sit as I sit here, it's like every so often I just go, you ain't seen that, you ain't seen that. And it's yeah.
AdamBut no, I know what you mean, I think the slow burn stuff, it's like that's when you're in the mood to actually watch a movie.
AdamRather than I just need something to entertain me for an hour and a half.
AdamSo.
LeeYeah, absolutely.
AdamI think also probably because we've previously done a lot of John Carpenter, so maybe we've sort of, you know, we're we're trying to vary it up.
AdamBecause I I haven't looked back with, yeah, if if for more on John Carpenter, see episode 3 Prince of Darkness, episode 6 Big Trouble in Little China.
LeeOh, blimey.
AdamEpisode 12 Halloween 3, episode 23 In the Mouth of Madness and episode 30, The Thing.
LeeYeah, we did smash through a load of his, we did need a big 70 episode gap before we returned, I think.
AdamYeah.
ChrisI did notice them watching The Thing in this one.
AdamYeah, the original.
LeeThe original.
ChrisIt was it was pretty obvious because it said The Thing on the stream.
LeeAnd Jennifer said, oh, the original, is that any good? That's wank.
LeeUm,
AdamYeah.
LeeBut before we get into any of that, um let's have a usual weekly catchup discussion.
LeeChris, my little darling, have you seen anything since our last episode?
ChrisI I have.
ChrisI decided to well, go back slightly, not that I'd really started, but um I got my PlayStation VR out of the cupboard.
ChrisWhich it's been there for a little while now.
ChrisAnd I had a quick look to see what was on there and I noticed that you can now get Now TV and Netflix on there.
ChrisAnd I thought, oh, that's interesting, let's see how that looks.
ChrisIs it as good as sitting in the cinema?
ChrisUm and it turned out actually not bad, it is it was quite good.
ChrisAt adding a little extra eeriness and um in, you know, impressiveness to the experience.
ChrisAnd I was wondering why does it put me on edge more wearing it?
ChrisI think it's because as you're watching a film and especially a horror film, it's the sense that I am the dweeb wearing some technology and there is someone behind me with a big axe or while I'm watching the horror film in the horror film.
ChrisAnd it's like it's hard to sort of get that out of your mind that because you obviously you've got no idea what's going on around you.
ChrisSo.
AdamYou like you can't get past the whole sort of like the suspicion that someone's there flicking the V's.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisWell, yeah.
ChrisAt least you don't get your head chopped off with that, but yeah, it's it is a bit disconcerting.
ChrisAnd so it does actually add, certainly at the moment, I mean, if I get used to it, fair enough, but yeah, for the moment, it's it's quite powerful.
ChrisUm and so I thought as I was flicking through seeing what was on uh Now TV.
ChrisOne of Netflix, one of them.
ChrisUm I saw Doom Annihilation.
ChrisI didn't realize it had been remade again.
ChrisAnd I thought the the one with Dwayne Johnson was it was okay if you like Doom.
ChrisYou know, it wasn't bad.
ChrisBut obviously it's not going to go down in history as a fantastic film.
ChrisBut I thought look, let's have a look at this, it turned out this had one star.
ChrisSo I thought, how could this be, you know, so much worse than the other one.
ChrisThis has got to be perfect film a bit of action, let's try it out on the big screen.
ChrisAnd like and I decided it was a I decided to carry on watching it because I thought it does actually have quite a horror aspect to it.
ChrisUm because you've got loads of zombies in there, um and it's quite dark and um.
ChrisYeah, a bit mysterious, bit of supernatural demons.
ChrisYou know, so I thought fair enough, let's carry on with this.
ChrisUm like it was okay.
ChrisI if you liked the original Doom game, it's not bad.
ChrisIt did have a bit of a feeling of being kind of a fan film.
AdamMhm.
ChrisPossibly more than a a truly, you know, polished work of art.
ChrisUm so I can kind of see why it probably got the one star.
ChrisUm, there are a few secrets, a few Easter eggs in there that's what made it fun.
ChrisSo, you know, it's it's an okay watch, but I think I definitely enjoyed it more being so immersed watching it.
ChrisUm and and so yeah, so I thought where else is good, I'll do this with Halloween as well.
LeeOh, cool.
AdamCool.
ChrisSo, yeah, that's that's what I watched.
LeeNice, I might have to um so I haven't got VR, but yeah, that would tip me more towards checking it out, I think I'd be I would be keen to see what it's like in that.
AdamHmm.
LeeIn that situation.
ChrisDid you did you like the one with Dwayne Johnson in?
LeeI didn't mind it. Yeah, yeah.
ChrisOkay.
LeeUm I think it was you who told me to watch it last. Oh yeah, like you say it was a it was a dumb action movie.
LeeBut.
LeeIt was it was a fun two hours like didn't take itself too seriously, it was a stupid movie, you knew it was a stupid movie and it just kind of went with it.
LeeSo.
LeeIt was quite good.
ChrisThat's why yeah, I'm certainly surprised that someone else had decided to to have a go at it.
LeeMaybe that's why maybe you need to save the Netflix experience because like it might detract from a film you're really trying to get into and just save it for films where you're like, I want to watch this, but it's probably going to be a bit shit.
LeeSo if I give it that boost.
LeeLike that extra gimmick.
ChrisWell, so I'm wondering, you know, having watched Halloween on it, I'm wondering if I could actually brave watching Sinister on it.
ChrisThat would be a little bit tricky, but I'm going to give it a go on every film and just see.
AdamYeah, I think Sinister might be a bit much.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm Adam, have you watched anything since our last meeting?
AdamUm I've watched Crumbs, which is it's the first film by the guy, you remember I told you a lot about uh Jesus Shows You the Way to the Highway.
LeeYes.
AdamEveryone got a bit excited because it's that name to say it so.
AdamUh yeah, this was his uh first sort of post apocalyptic film um slow dreamy.
AdamI I mean, I enjoyed it, but I I think I preferred Jesus Shows Me the Shows You the Way to the Highway.
AdamUm but it's again that sort of thing of being set after an undisclosed thing that undisclosed event apocalypse end of the world.
AdamAnd there's a spaceship dangling in the sky and everyone trades in commodities of like pop culture ephemera like uh Ninja Turtle keyrings and Michael Jackson albums.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd uh yeah, I mean it's sort of an interesting one but I still not quite sure if I know what it was about.
AdamOh Santa Santa Claus lived in a ball return in a bowling alley.
AdamUm,
AdamYeah, this absolute film, yeah.
AdamOn another note, though, I had to basically.
AdamYou know, we don't know with the upcoming American election, there's the distinct possibility that Trump may not be in power.
AdamSo, I had to show Claire The Running Man before he was before he possibly wasn't.
AdamBecause I just, yeah.
AdamAnd um.
AdamYeah, I haven't watched The Running Man for a long, long time.
AdamDesperately entertaining, but.
AdamArnie's puns are rubbish like throughout.
AdamThere's not a good one.
AdamI mean it really puts him in sharp relief you actually sit there going, it was better in Batman and Robin and that's fucking saying something.
LeeGod.
AdamAt least they at least they were possibly appropriate quips, but in The Running Man it's just, yeah.
AdamNot not much cop, but.
AdamEntertaining, you know, classic.
ChrisI think of the the one I think does he shout hey Christmas tree to the air lights.
AdamYeah, and lighthead and lighthead. Hey, lighthead.
AdamAnd you're like, that's not, that's not even an insult, man, that's that's a description.
LeeYeah.
AdamHey, long hair.
LeeYeah.
AdamBut um but the two things that struck me, one was the soundtrack.
AdamThe the main theme of it, I am convinced now was the blueprint for the music to Garth Marenghi's Dark Place.
AdamAnd secondly, and this is one of those things that I've never quite registered for some reason.
AdamBut Mick Fleetwood is in it.
AdamAnd he's the head of the resistance that they end up going to.
LeeIs he?
AdamYeah, and that yeah, the old the old boy with the beard.
AdamThat's Mick Fleetwood as in Fleetwood Mac.
AdamUm but I've never noticed it before.
AdamHe's called Mick in the film.
AdamSo I kind of think he's meant to be Mick Fleetwood in the future, which actually is 2000 is 2019 it's set in.
LeeOh, blimey.
AdamAnd actually.
ChrisThat's one of those.
AdamReasonably accurate, you know, food riots and game show host running the country is essentially.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know.
AdamUm.
LeeI need to go back and rewatch that film.
LeeI've not seen it in decades.
AdamIt's it really is entertaining, but not always necessarily in the way that it thinks it is.
ChrisIt should be.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut I think you enjoyed it, didn't you, Clair?
AdamThere you go.
AdamThat's the yeah, Yeah.
ChrisI think there are some Arnie Schwarzenegger films you everyone probably should watch.
LeeYeah.
AdamWell, that was part of my thing where it was I showed her RoboCop as well.
AdamI think I think it's just at the moment it's like, yeah, I'll show you all the dystopias cause they've all come true.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut um I think yeah, no, there are certain Arnie essentials and I count The Running Man as an, and it is a Stephen King short story that it's based on.
AdamSo it kind of uh it kind of boarders into into horror, especially because it's.
AdamYou know, just it's it's the what they called the stalkers.
AdamAre just hilarious.
AdamYou basically Roy D. Hulk Hogan with a fucking chainsaw, um.
AdamThe enormous Japanese Ice Hockey guy.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd the opera singing electric man who is actually played by Grosberger from uh Ster Crazy.
LeeYou know what, I've got tomorrow off, I think I'm going to rewatch this film.
AdamGo for it.
AdamIt's seriously, you won't I can honestly say you won't regret it, even if you do regret it.
AdamAnd that's all the weather.
LeeExcellent.
LeeUm.
LeeSo I've been carrying on with my going through my Halloween viewing.
AdamMhm.
LeeUm so I have managed this week.
LeeUh I started with the Halloween Tree.
AdamOh, yeah.
LeeBecause that is a staple, needed watching as I mentioned previously, it's finally come out on DVD.
LeeAfter me trying to get hold of it on on DVD for about 15 years, so I was massively excited when that came out.
LeeUm so I watched that, always amazing.
LeeUh Tales from the Dark Side, I rewatched the pilot episode of that.
LeeUm it's called Trick or Treat.
LeeUh and it is written and directed by George A. Romero.
AdamI think he did a few.
AdamI think Tobe Hooper did as well actually.
LeeYeah.
LeeBut yeah, that first one is just outstanding, it's just one of my absolute favorite like horror episodes of anything ever.
LeeUm I watched the sequel to The Babysitter.
LeeThe Netflix original that I raved about when it first came out.
AdamMhm.
LeeUm so for the sequel, uh Killer Queen, what they've done is, they've taken all the things that you really loved about the first one and then shit all over it effectively.
LeeUm.
AdamI felt that's where this review was aproaching.
AdamI was going, oh, he's just going there.
LeeIt was like, it's one of those, I started making two or three notes and then I was like, this is just shit, it's not even worth me making notes about because it is so bad.
LeeGet really disappointed.
LeeThe first one's fantastic, they've got all the cast back, spoiler alert, for the new one.
LeeUm so I was like, how can it possibly go wrong, it was only a year ago, same cast, it's going to be excellent.
LeeOh, and it's just.
ChrisSame same director and.
LeeUh not sure, I was so exhausted at the end of it, I couldn't even be bothered to go and look, I just wanted it to be over and to be able to forget about it, it was terrible.
LeeUm and then the next thing, I haven't finished watching it, but I've watched most of it.
LeeUh so those of our listeners who listened to not for everyone podcast, uh will be aware of Deep State Rex.
AdamUh.
LeeUm Deep State Rex suggested a um Friday the 13th fan film that came out a few days ago.
LeeUm it's a Friday the 13th one as I mentioned, uh called Never Hike in the Snow.
AdamOh yes, I saw you post about that.
LeeLike 31 minutes long, it's awesome, it's really good so I only got to see two thirds of it and then I had a phone call and I came away and I didn't get a chance to go back to it.
LeeUm.
LeeBut yeah, it it looks it's really solid, it's really well written, it's really well acted, the effects and stuff are great in it, it kicks off because it's only 31 minutes like right off the bat, it's straight into kill mode.
LeeUm so yeah.
LeeI will definitely be finishing that.
LeeUm.
LeeUm so I don't know who's made it, but I'm sure when I looked at it yesterday it had some ridiculous like 58,000 views and it'd only been up for two days or something, so.
AdamWhat's this on YouTube?
LeeYeah.
LeeSo whoever the the fan film is made by, they've clearly already got some kind of a following because uh yeah, it's clearly already made an impression.
LeeBut but quite rightly so, I say it's.
LeeIt's really, really enjoyable, so uh any fans of Friday the 13th, go and check that out.
LeeAnd now from Friday the 13th to Halloween in close proximity as they should be.
LeeSo Chris, have you seen this before?
ChrisNo, I've only seen Halloween 3, which is not Michael Myers.
LeeNo.
LeeIt's not the witch, as you said, quite right.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisSo yeah, now now I've seen the proper Halloween and completely makes sense why you would compare it to Friday the 13th.
AdamYeah.
ChrisSo, yeah, I can.
ChrisI can definitely say I absolutely see why this is considered a classic, it's got everything in it.
ChrisUm I mean, obviously, to start with, you've got the amazing Donald.
ChrisNot the crap Donald, and I'll just leave that hanging.
ChrisI might be talking about Donald Trump or it could be Donald Duck.
ChrisWho knows.
ChrisUm so yeah, you know.
AdamWho doesn't love Donald, the little town sheriff.
AdamLooked in his eyes, they're they're empty, yeah.
ChrisYeah, um so so I think we've seen Donald Pleasence in definitely one other film, was it could be two, I can't remember what the second would be, though.
AdamAgain, this is another one where we've we've he's been in a few, cuz yeah.
ChrisIs he?
AdamYeah.
AdamUm.
ChrisBut I didn't really know him properly then, though.
AdamEpisode 3 Prince of Darkness.
AdamWhich was obviously also a John Carpenter film.
AdamAnd in that he plays Father Loomis, who is presumably Dr. Loomis's brother.
AdamUm,
AdamThen in episode 24, Deathline.
ChrisYeah.
AdamGet your haircut.
AdamAnd I'd forgotten completely about this.
AdamEpisode 68, The Uncanny.
AdamI forgot we even covered that film to be honest.
LeeOh shit, yeah, we did, yeah, yeah.
AdamSo, Donald Pleasence has appeared in two of my birthday episodes as well.
ChrisWell, yeah, you can't really go wrong with him, can you?
ChrisHe's just something about him, he just does what he does well.
AdamHe does, he does it so fucking well.
AdamBut um what apparently he was um third choice.
AdamUh John John Carpenter wanted basically John Carpenter wanted an established English horror star.
AdamSo he tried Peter Cushing, he tried Christopher Lee and then he tried Donald Pleasence.
AdamAnd apparently Christopher Lee was after, I mean, obviously because it was just a massive success.
AdamBut um so Christopher Lee was said has said has said since that he'd regretted not taking the role.
LeeI can't see him in the role, is the problem.
LeeI don't.
AdamI think he'd be a bit too stern.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, you get there's a there's a gentleness about Donald Pleasence even though he is.
ChrisHe's he's.
ChrisHe's telling off or like yeah.
LeeBut he's been affected by it, whereas Christopher Lee can only play in power of the situation, which clearly isn't.
LeeSo I don't think he'd necessarily, not to knock him, I mean he's an incredible actor, but yeah, I don't think he would have fit that role at all.
AdamAnd I don't I don't know how far Peter Cushing would be able to play the that other end of it, curiously enough.
AdamI don't know how far would I would you believe Peter Cushing following like his patient with the intent of shooting him?
LeeNo.
AdamAnd it's yeah, so I think they hit they hit a very happy medium there.
AdamBut apparently Donald Pleasence um basically, I mean, he's in loads of the sequels and stuff like that and obviously he did Prince of Darkness.
AdamHe and John Carpenter got on really well.
AdamBut apparently, yeah, when he first arrived, he said I've I've no idea about this film, but my daughter who's a musician really liked the music for your film on Precinct 13.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd so that's why I've taken it, also had a big alimony bill apparently.
LeeSo.
AdamUm.
LeeYeah.
AdamRunning.
AdamYeah, so but that's but I think he I think John Carpenter definitely right and that you need someone who can sell that.
AdamAnd quite rightly he's gone with the sort of thought of, well, it's got to be an established British horror actor.
AdamIt's almost in the same way that, you know, no one really holds a flame against uh Ian McDermid as the emperor.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo so you've he's already fucking brilliant, but then you put in like poor Hayden Christensen, I think he's really out of his fucking depth when he's when they're playing.
LeeHmm.
AdamAnd I think it's it but with this, I think everyone everyone involved with Donald Pleasence steps up and you know, because he's not really.
AdamIt it's very separate, I mean, him and Laurie only really cross paths right at right at the end.
LeeAnd she's the only person I've seen in anything, I mean, obviously, everyone knows Jamie Lee Curtis.
LeeUm but yeah, she's the only person who from this film.
LeeI think I've ever seen in anything ever, her and Donald Pleasence are the only ones.
AdamYeah, PJ Soles, who is oh, I can I always get my two names mixed up.
AdamWho's Linda, who is the one with her boyfriend Bob.
LeeOh, yeah.
AdamUm, she's in Carrie.
LeeOh, okay.
AdamShe's she's normal in Carrie, she's in a few other bits and pieces.
AdamShe's also in The Devil's Rejects, she's the one who um um Captain Spaulding steals her car.
LeeOh, I remember so little about that film now.
AdamSo, but yeah, so I mean she's sort of done bits and pieces, there's sort of bits and pieces.
AdamBut really the only proper because you've got Donald Pleasence who's established and this is really the film that puts Jamie Lee Curtis on the map.
AdamAnd uh yeah, she she was great in this.
ChrisYeah, she was great in this.
AdamYes, she is really fucking good.
AdamEspecially because she was quite convinced she was convinced she was going to get the sack but she thought she was being shit.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhen in actual fact it's like, no, I think yeah.
AdamYou're doing a very good job.
ChrisI think.
ChrisUm like I figured.
ChrisThey're all meant to seem like none of them are.
ChrisYou know, hero material, it's like they're just normal people.
ChrisAnd so, you almost don't want overacting in it, it's like.
ChrisYou know, something is descending upon them and and yeah.
ChrisAnd obviously she does well at the end.
ChrisUm.
LeeBut only out of terror, not out of any sort of.
ChrisYeah, exactly.
ChrisAnd it looks and she and she's and the thing is like you say, Donald Pleasence is the big name in this.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
LeeBut as you said Adam, their scenes never really cross and his are much less than hers.
LeeJamie Lee Curtis basically comes out of nowhere and carries this entire movie.
LeeFantastically.
LeeUm yeah, if ever a film was set to to to kickstart a good career.
LeeThis is the one because there's so much focus on her for the, I mean it's only an hour and a half running time.
LeeBut as you say, she's in most of the scenes, if if she isn't in them then Donald Pleasence are in them and it just focuses mainly on those two characters.
LeeEverybody else is secondary.
AdamYeah, there's nobody around those two always.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah, I mean.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWell, I so I was think you know, like mentioning Michael there.
AdamAt the start, I mean that's quite a hard hitting start, isn't it?
AdamShowing like what age is he?
AdamSix.
ChrisSix yeah, six I was thinking six, seven.
ChrisSo yeah, and you know, the way that plays straight away it's like, okay, this is pretty serious.
ChrisUm.
ChrisI guess what I.
ChrisI wanted to check.
ChrisI I didn't quite know if I'd missed something here, but I didn't really.
ChrisSee any supernatural elements until the end, is that right?
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisOkay.
AdamIt's it's a weird there's a it's a weird tangled thing, I was I'm actually I was I'm slightly annoyed, I think we should we should have um I should have contacted uh Drew who obviously came in on our Friday the 13th episode.
AdamBut Drew is a Halloween Michael Myers.
AdamLike officionado, he's watched through all he's seen all of them.
AdamAnd it's weird because there's like a basically from what I can gather there there's three Halloween timelines.
AdamThat not including Halloween 3 and not including Rob Zombies like remakes, et cetera.
LeeOh, and the Rob remake, which I'd completely forgotten even existed.
AdamBefore.
AdamBut there's so so yeah, in the first film Michael Myers is a.
AdamPhysical, he's a human being who is committing murders.
AdamI mean, regardless of his you know, the whole thing where they don't have a handle on why he's doing it.
ChrisYeah.
AdamThey've it's basically this whole thing that psychoanalysis and everything has completely failed.
LeeHmm.
AdamAnd that's really Donald Pleasence's thing where it's like he's gone from trying to trying to work him out.
ChrisFigure out, yeah.
AdamTo just no, we need to keep this inside because we can't figure this out and this is something wrong.
AdamOr something has gone wrong with this person.
AdamBut then it's sort of but like you say, at the very end, he can somehow survive being shot six times.
ChrisAnd stabs him in the neck.
ChrisI mean so that's where.
AdamAnd.
ChrisYou get a hint that something's up because yeah, she stabs him in the neck with the with the.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd she stabs him with the knife as well.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamSo it's.
ChrisAnd the coat hanger.
AdamAnd it's I mean.
AdamThat's pretty resourceful.
LeeThe other thing as well that I got that I'd never noticed this time, but again, does spoiler alert to Chris, uh there are big hints that there are supernatural things going on that are added in in the later sequels.
LeeUm.
LeeBut.
LeeYeah, the fact that he's been in prison since he was or in the asylum since he was six years old.
LeeEscapes on this one day and somehow manages to.
LeeFor now apparent reason, he latches onto Laurie Strode and knows where she goes to school.
LeeWhere she works, where she goes home, the way she walks home, like he's there at every turn.
LeeAnd it I'd never really noticed it until this time and then I suddenly like, why has he picked her?
LeeHow is it just it's it's as if he's gone there specifically to go for her and mess with all her friends and everything that surrounds her for no reason.
AdamThere's a.
AdamThere's a thought that she is the first teenage girl that he sees.
AdamBecause he obviously goes back.
ChrisYeah, he takes the keys.
AdamHe takes the keys there.
AdamSo it's like he because then it's a lot of prowling the streets and driving around.
AdamI mean, it's supposedly a small town, it's like, right, she's a school girl.
AdamThere's one school.
LeeThat makes sense.
AdamOr, you know, there's the high school or whatever like that.
LeeYeah, it does.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah.
AdamWhich which kind of which it does kind of make us because this is the thing as well where loads of people have attached to.
AdamUm of attached to Halloween, the whole thing of like, uh sex equals death.
AdamSo if you have sex, you're going to die, but if you don't, you.
AdamBut that doesn't compute because Michael Myers goes after Laurie anyway.
ChrisHe doesn't manage to kill her in this film.
AdamHe doesn't manage to kill her, but but but the but then as.
AdamI think John Carpenter said it's like, everyone else is so wrapped up in their own shit that they've not noticed, it's just that Laurie is sort of like a removed sort of person.
AdamShe's a bit sort of awkward.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo she's just got slightly she's slightly more aware.
AdamWhereas everyone else is just busy trying to get laid, so they're not really concentrating.
AdamAnd and also, I mean, let's face it, I mean, from Dr. Loomis's fucking suggestion, the police don't alert anyone.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, which no.
AdamI know there was the thing of oh, they'll see them on every street corner if you announce it.
AdamIt's like, yeah, but they might fucking see him.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know.
AdamAnd not get murdered by him.
LeeHe drives right past you, you Berlin and you just completely I I really like that scene actually, but.
AdamI've forgotten how much he is around.
AdamAnd weirdly enough, that's another one that I always find, I always find the daylight stuff creepier.
AdamLike when he just stands, when he's standing by the hedge.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it's just out of focus, because you don't really make out the mask.
AdamAlmost till the very end.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt could be it could be a very pale face or it could be a you know, it's not it's never quite seen.
AdamI think it's first really seen when uh he kills uh Bob and Linda.
AdamUm I think that's really when you first sort of see the mask in it's in all its glory.
AdamAnd it's yeah.
LeeI think it was the sound of it was what got me this time, I don't remember noticing that before.
LeeThe scenes where it's from his eyes and it is it's that perfect sound of when you're wearing a mask and you can just hear your own breath reverberate.
ChrisYeah.
LeeOh.
LeeAnd it's just so unnerving.
AdamWell because the guy the guy who plays the guy who plays Michael Myers mostly in the film.
AdamUm Nick Castle, who went on to direct the last Star Fighter amongst other films.
LeeYeah.
ChrisDid he?
AdamYeah.
AdamUm he is also he's also a member of the Coupe DeVille's with uh Tommy Lee Wallace and John Carpenter.
LeeWho famously did the music for big trouble in Little China.
AdamBig trouble.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamMan.
AdamBut um yeah, and he um uh where is it here? But he turned up again, they got him to play Michael Myers in Halloween 2018.
AdamLike the most recent iteration of it.
AdamUm he plays him.
AdamIn a few scenes because obviously he's an older.
AdamHe's older so but he played him in a few scenes, but he did he dubbed Michael Myers.
AdamSo all the grants and the and the like all the breathing and everything is Nick Castle.
AdamSo it's exactly the same as this this one, the first one.
ChrisSo is the is the remake decent then?
AdamIt's not a remake.
AdamThis is this is the weird thing with the three timelines.
ChrisOh, right.
AdamOkay.
AdamSo, originally you've got this one.
AdamThen there's Halloween 2, which has got um Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence in it.
AdamAnd it basically takes place on the same night.
AdamOr the night afterwards, it's basically.
LeeI think it's one of those that basically, yeah, like it all starts with the police all arriving at the house.
AdamYeah.
LeeThey basically it it picks up almost immediately from the end of of the first one.
AdamAnd.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd in that one, it's revealed that the reason he's obsessed with Laurie is because Laurie is actually his younger sister who was born after he was put in the asylum and she was adopted.
LeeHmm.
AdamSo.
AdamBut.
LeeBut how he knew that from inside a wald is anyone's guess.
AdamExactly.
AdamExactly.
LeeFantastic.
AdamThen obviously you get.
AdamYou get Halloween 3, nothing to do with anything else.
AdamBut.
AdamSo, but then you've got Halloweens 4, 5 and 6, which is The Return of Michael Myers, The Revenge of Michael Myers and The Curse of Michael Myers.
AdamAnd they've all got Donald Pleasence continuing to follow Michael Myers and try and hunt him down.
AdamAnd it gets almost commedically mental.
AdamUm I think we did what I can't remember which one we watched.
AdamI think it might have been the revenge or the curse.
AdamAnd by then Donald is hysterical.
AdamHe's like properly he's like he is basically like taking a drunk to find an all night off license.
AdamHe's like there, not there, no, stop, he's just.
AdamYeah, rabbit almost.
AdamBut so so that's the continue that was the continuation from the original.
AdamThen.
AdamUh then they do Halloween H2O, uh which is technically Halloween 7.
AdamAnd that follows on from Halloween 2, so Laurie Strode's back.
AdamShe is Michael Myers's sister and he's tracking her down one last time.
AdamThat was then followed by Halloween Resurrection, which is like a continuation from H2O.
AdamJamie Lee Curtis is in it, but I think she gets killed and Buster Rhymes is in it.
AdamThat gives you an indication of quite how sort of.
ChrisHow it's.
AdamHow 2000.
ChrisCrap.
AdamThat film was.
LeeYeah.
AdamUm.
AdamBecause H2O was obviously.
AdamWas released in 98.
AdamSo it was obviously like the 20th anniversary.
AdamBut now Halloween 2018.
AdamWhich is what I have to keep calling it because it's only called fucking Halloween, which is really helpful, guys.
AdamThank you.
AdamHe's now a direct sequel to the first Halloween, so it cuts out number two, which then cuts out H2O and Resurrection.
AdamAnd also cuts out 4, 5 and 6.
AdamAnd they even address in in that one, they address a thing where someone says.
AdamWasn't Laurie Strode, Michael Myers's sister and they say no, that was like a urban myth.
AdamAnd they kind of write off the other films as their stories or urban myths that have grown up around the the original film and the incident of the original film.
LeeHmm.
AdamAnd now they're going to I need to address it.
LeeAnd to it and to kind of give it a a reason for this to suddenly pop up in a whole new.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd I mean the great thing is with I mean, I I really.
AdamI really like uh and also you've got I think John Carpenter's.
AdamI mean, he's not heavily involved, but I know that he was he's a he's a producer and he's onset and he did the music.
AdamSo there's a lot, you know, he's he's involved.
ChrisYeah.
AdamUm.
ChrisWould be interesting, how was it so did did he do the music for 2018?
ChrisYou said as well.
AdamNo, no, Assault on Precinct 13.
AdamWhich is a film which is the film he did before Halloween, um which is like a siege movie setting at a police station.
AdamAnd.
AdamUh basically again because similarly with this, this was low budget, he did the music out of necessity more than anything else.
AdamBut then.
LeeYeah.
LeeThe music for this, the music and sound design, as we said, with the breathing in the mask and all that stuff.
LeeAnd the music, the sound of this movie is every bit as important as the visuals, the just incredible.
LeeAnd it's really high in the mix and everything.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah, but I I think it deserves to be, I think it really amps up, it's great because they put the same music on the kind of stalking scenes as they do on the full on attack scenes.
LeeThere's no difference in the music, but it works in both contexts, which is a really strange.
AdamYeah, it's it's a very.
Leeability really.
AdamIt's a very John Carpenter has a real ability with making a utility theme or like a piece of music.
AdamWhich like you say, it works for the slower stuff, it works for the fast attack like the attacks and stuff like that.
AdamIt's yeah.
AdamBut I I think because um John Carpenter showed like the financial backers the film and they were like, don't think this is going to be a hit.
AdamAnd he said, well, I haven't done the music for it yet.
AdamAnd I think he did that he did it in like under a week, he did it in like four days or something.
AdamHe wrote.
LeeOh, my God.
AdamHe wrote.
AdamHe wrote, recorded and put the music on and then everyone was like, oh my God, this is going to be huge.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd which which indeed it was, I know that I know that um uh what was it?
AdamSo, shot in 20 days and it was made for 300,000.
LeeBloody hell.
AdamIt went on to make 47 million.
ChrisHmm.
AdamIn the US box office alone.
LeeJesus.
AdamAnd that's and that's in the 70s.
AdamSo in today's terms the film cost around about 1 1,197,000, but it would have it made the equivalent of like 187 million.
AdamWow.
AdamIt was enormous.
AdamUm and in actual fact this was the most successful independent movie of all time.
AdamTill when was it 1990 when that was beaten by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
LeeUgh.
AdamBut there you go.
AdamI mean there's no account of a taste.
LeeI was going to say that just goes to show the box office.
LeeDoesn't necessarily mean quality.
AdamBut.
AdamBut I mean this was so fucking successful, it's like I mean it also gives you the idea.
AdamIt gives you a reason for the impetus of why John Carpenter works consistently throughout the 80s because he's had such an enormous return on this.
AdamAnd also you can see what that's why the franchise they, you know, the the people who own the rights, they refuse to let this franchise die.
AdamYeah.
AdamOr sort of.
AdamBecause it is a a constant money spinner.
AdamNow the best bit was.
AdamJohn Carpenter was paid uh 10,000 that included writing, directing and scoring.
AdamBut he but he also got a 10% he got 10% of any profits and full creative control.
AdamUh which was his contract was in his contract for delivering the film on time and on budget, which he did.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so he was making 10% of 47 million.
LeeWow.
AdamBack on it.
AdamAnd actually and I'm this is someone that I think is.
AdamA part of the this is definitely someone part of the John Carpenter story but also just interesting as well, is the producer who's also the writer who also co-wrote with John Carpenter, Deborah Hill.
AdamShe worked for no salary, but took a percentage.
AdamAnd again.
AdamIt's a fucking smart move on this film.
AdamYou know, it really is.
AdamAnd actually because he had because he had creative control, John Carpenter was was able to put John Carpenter's Halloween as the as the title.
AdamSo you know, he knew about branding, he knew to keep his name would be up front permanently on this film.
ChrisAnd what else did he done?
AdamUm.
ChrisNo, before this.
AdamUh he'd only really done he'd done Dark Star and Assault on Precinct 13 and I think a TV movie called.
AdamUh someone to watch over me or something like that.
AdamOr somebody's watching.
ChrisOkay.
ChrisSo.
ChrisNothing.
AdamHe hadn't no, this was his this was his first real sort of major.
ChrisAnd having his name on it like that probably did.
AdamThis was definitely his.
AdamFirst major and also I don't I don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho.
AdamHe ran a hardware store, I don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years, I think that's pretty much a full on vocation really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo yeah.
AdamSo yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, so yeah, because actually yeah, because if it he meets him if he meets him as a six-year-old.
AdamThat would have been 1963, which was three years after the events of Psycho.
AdamSo.
AdamHe did a lot in that time.
AdamAnd also I don't.
AdamI don't.
AdamI don't remember.
AdamI don't remember Sam Loomis in psycho, he ran a hardware store.
AdamI don't think he was on his way to psychiatric or medical school.
LeeYeah, I don't think that's something you can pick up at night school in two years.
LeeI think there's a pretty much a full-on vocation, really.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
