Texas Chainsaw Massacre

0:23LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26ChrisI'm Chris.

0:27AdamI'm Adam.

0:28UnknownI'm Jennifer.

0:30LeeAnd we are here because we've subjected Chris to his most unpleasant movie to date. So we'll see how we found that. We're covering the Texas Chainsaw Massacre this evening.

0:44ChrisI won't give anything away just yet.

0:46UnknownNo.

0:46LeeNo. Good good.

0:47ChrisAs tempting as it is.

0:50LeeSo before we get rolling with that, Chris, have you checked anything out in the last week?

0:56ChrisYes. I watched another documentary on Shudder.

1:01LeeOh.

1:01ChrisAnd it was one of their originals, which I don't know if the other one was. But anyway, this this definitely was. It says Shudder Original. Acclaimed filmmaker Rodney Asher explores the pop culture that left dark impressions on us as children, which I thought you know, that sounds interesting.

1:22ChrisAnd that is something that was covered I think by a previous guest I think by a previous guest.

1:28LeeYes. Yes, it was. Yes, when we had Adam on because he did an ask to Horror question and yeah.

1:32ChrisThat's right. Yes. Remember we did talk about children's odd yeah things like have children's programs got less scary and more about social commentary. I think it was and yeah it was I thought they did a really good job at this.

1:51ChrisIt did suck me in. You know, it's a documentary. Documentaries are way better than they used to be, but still it was very compelling. And yeah it was all about dolls.

2:03ChrisSo it showed the kind of is it the Victorian style, ceramic

2:08LeeYeah.

2:09UnknownChina dolls.

2:10ChrisChina dolls, yeah, porcelain. And then also ventriloquist dolls. And yeah it talks a lot about that. And you know, the Uncanny Valley. And it showed a few clips of that film that we watched.

2:25ChrisWas that an anthology? Was it a three in one

2:27UnknownOh from

2:29ChrisWas it yeah? Yeah, that was good. And it was mostly all about film called Magic, which has Anthony Hopkins in, which is all about ventriloquist doll. It looked good.

2:43ChrisBut yeah yeah I thought they did a really good job.

2:47ChrisThey sort of touched on some philosophy. I I won't give too much away, but it's fairly short. It's 27 minutes. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. So I hope they do more.

2:56UnknownWhat was that called, Charlie Chris?

2:57ChrisIt's called Primal Screen. Yeah, she said the name.

3:01LeeCool. Excellent. I'll check that out.

3:05ChrisYeah.

3:06LeeAdam, have you watched anything this week? I know you've had a busy week.

3:11Adamyeah, but I've managed I've managed to watch a few things.

3:17Adambeen rewatching a bit of Wellington Paranormal. But and in got managed to get hold of the second series, so I'm sort of working my way towards so I'm rewatching the first and moving onto the second.

3:31AdamI saw I managed to find it. I think it was on Shudder, maybe. It was on something split second with Rutger Hauer, which

3:47Adamwhich I urge people to watch, but in the sense that did you know that Rutger Hauer to make a film?

3:58ChrisThat is not something I've expected to have said.

4:01AdamIt is it's just it's ridiculous. And as the film went on, I kind of got the impression that Rutger Hauer knows it's ridiculous.

4:11LeeOkay.

4:12AdamBut at the start, he plays it dead straight. But it's proper he's a Maverick cop. And but no but he's but bizarrely, he's a Maverick cop in a future London that's in like two foot of water because the the Thames is overrun with global warming.

4:36AdamIt's set but by the way, this was made in about 1991, just to give you that. So yeah, so drowns London and he's hunting a serial killer that might actually be actually possibly the devil.

4:52AdamAnd like so it's kind of a sci-fi film, but rather than have a sci-fi explanation, it has a supernatural possibly explanation because that's not quite clear. Rutger Hauer's character literally a lot will light his cigarette with a fucking what's the word I'm looking for?

5:15AdamNot a flamethrower, but

5:16LeeA lot of blowtorches.

5:17AdamYeah. So he's lighting his face. That that gives you an idea of the sort of Rick Dagless style rogue cop he is. but because it's set in London, everyone else in it is English, including like his boss is just Alan Armstrong.

5:33AdamSo it's just him being Northern at him going, what the hell are you doing? You can't go around like this. And it's really bizarre because it's kind of you know, it's an American cop theme, but done with lots of English people saying it, which almost Alien 3 is you know ish.

5:53AdamBut I I urge someone to watch it. Do not go in without with any expectation of doing anything but laughing. At one point this was a very Rutger Hauer moment.

6:06AdamAt one point, the beast that is going around killing people who they've got listed as a serial killer, but actually it's some beast nicks a shotgun off a copper and is using the shotgun and but all you can see is his big clawed hands holding a shotgun.

6:25AdamAnd like people and Rutger Hauer is ducking behind a sofa, so you don't actually see the monster until right near the end. Kim Cattrall is in it, which is just fucking

6:36UnknownNot a monster, I hope.

6:37AdamNo no, she's like again, it's the usual story. His partner got murdered, so that why he doesn't want another partner, but his partner got murdered by the beast. Kim Cattrall is the partner's wife, but they were having an affair.

6:50UnknownOh.

6:52AdamAnd then he split up with her after the because of the guilt of when his partner got killed by the beast. So you again, you kind of see the Garth Marengi elements to it.

7:03AdamIt's I I'd imagine if I'd have watched it at the time, I would have thought it was fucking amazing. And just thought it genuinely thought it was brilliant. Now I can watch it with amused distraction.

7:17AdamSo yes. I recommend it, but not in the what I think was the filmmaker's intent.

7:25LeeWhat was it called again, sorry?

7:27AdamSplit Second. Not for everyone covered it. And I'll be fair, they covered it and I thought that sounds ridiculous. Yeah, they did I don't think they really they I don't think they made it that clear.

7:47AdamIt's fucking absurd. It's a perfect not for everyone.

7:51ChrisIt's definitely not for everyone.

7:52AdamIt is a not for everyone movie, definitely, because it's just like oh we've got everything in here. It's like someone it's like someone got a bot to write by getting it to read all the scripts made between like 1989 and 1994.

8:11AdamAnd said write write a film from this. And it's like okay, got you. A cult thriller, rogue cop, serial murderer, future dystopia, rain. You know, it was yeah all in there.

8:24UnknownNice.

8:24LeeIt sounds like something I need to see, unfortunately.

8:28AdamSeriously get have a couple of drinks and watch it. It's fucking it'll be magical. I also watched the Dead Don't Die, the Jim Jarmusch zombie film.

8:39LeeWhat did you make of it?

8:41AdamOkay. I wasn't really that taken with it, I'll be honest. I was sort of it was all right, but somehow describing it makes it sound better than it actually was watching it.

8:52LeeYes. See I really enjoyed it until what now I once I really enjoyed it. I found it entertaining until the end. I didn't like it becoming too self-referential.

9:02AdamYeah, because I don't think that went anywhere.

9:04LeeNo.

9:05AdamSomething like how they do it in rubber yeah would have been you know, I would have embraced it, but but the fact it's just in there and left is like is that really you know, if if Filthy Rich and Catflap do it better.

9:22AdamYou know, it's sort of like yeah.

9:25LeeIt does tell you something. And fantastic cast though. Like I was taken with the cast and everybody performed outstandingly in it.

9:33AdamEveryone's brilliant in it, and I think it was just there's just something there was just something not quite hitting for me. I don't know what it was. I just think it's it's weird because I mean I I really love Jim Jarmusch.

9:46AdamAnd I found it and you know, I I found it entertaining for the time it was on, but there's there's a part of me that thinks I'd probably enjoy it more if I watched it again, but there's another part of me that's like I probably won't watch that again.

9:59LeeOh it's funny. I had exactly the same takeaway. I thought if if I watch it again and I know what to expect, I'll enjoy it more, but I don't think there was enough in it apart from Tilda Swinton.

10:09LeeIt was just

10:09AdamTilda Swinton is brilliant in it.

10:11LeeYeah, absolutely hilarious.

10:12AdamThe the the biggest laugh that it got from Claire was Adam Driver in a convertible smart car. Because that is an image. You know. But yeah, I mean but I sort of say I thought it was okay, but yeah, I think you get like you say with that sort of a cast, Jim Jarmusch directing and everything.

10:37AdamAlthough I do think also it was like that when that was announced that was coming out, it was a bit of a weird one because it was like zombie comedies really done if you know if at all.

10:52AdamSo it's like zombies are done, zombie comedies are really done. So yeah.

11:00LeeYeah, I agree.

11:04LeeJennifer, have we watched anything that you would like to Oh.

11:08AdamSorry. Sorry to interrupt. There was one other thing I did I have watched the first episode of Lovecraft Lovecraft Country.

11:15LeeYeah.

11:15AdamAnd yeah, definitely watch it. It looks like there's sort of they've definitely changed stuff from the book, but there's the heart of the book is still there definitely. Like the important side of things, they've just changed some characters around, which I'll be interested to see how that plays out against the book.

11:33AdamBut yeah, genuinely genuinely I thought the first episode was really good. And HBO have made the first episode available on YouTube, free.

11:44LeeOh nice.

11:45AdamSo just so you can get flavor of it, which I think is a that's just a genius idea in in it in and of itself.

11:51LeeYeah.

11:52AdamSo you know, but yeah yeah check it out and check it out because it is yeah like I say it's free and yeah I really enjoyed it, so

12:00LeeThat is good when they do I say YouTube themselves actually with YouTube Red, they did that when the Cobra Kai season the first one came out. They put the first three episodes of 10 up for free, so that you watched the first three.

12:14LeeAnd then they were like, now you've got to pay a subscription for the month. And I was like really enjoyed it. I'm going to pay it. Yeah. So but yeah.

12:23AdamI know what they do in these marketers.

12:26LeeYeah.

12:26AdamI'm not sure about the name though. YouTube Red sounds a bit

12:30LeeYeah, I I kept calling it Red Tube, and it is not it's not

12:34AdamYeah, HBO have not put Lovecraft Country up free on Red Tube. Just that now. You not Red.

12:44LeeThere's a lot of technicals on there I guess. I don't know don't I know I don't know.

12:48AdamThere's there's some there's some technical action, definitely.

12:55Leeto Jennifer, anything you'd like to discuss that we watched?

12:58Unknownwe finished Zombieland, which was yeah you know easy going, but kind of fun.

13:03LeeYeah.

13:04UnknownI think we said last time, didn't we? You know, if it gets perhaps yeah zombies more into the mainstream and gets people thinking, oh I might like horror without them realizing it's horror, then that's a good thing.

13:15Unknownand then we went on to watch Crazy Head, which again similar episodes. It's on Netflix now. I think you said it came on

13:23LeeI think it was on Channel 4 when it was first released in 2016. And I watched it then.

13:29UnknownYeah.

13:29LeeBut yeah the the main girl from Zombieland is also the main girl in Crazy Head, which is why I said to Jennifer all we should check this out.

13:36UnknownYeah. Yes.

13:38AdamI remember you I remember you talking about Crazy Head, but I can't remember what it was.

13:42UnknownNo, and I think the name doesn't help because you don't associate it. I find that with films, if the name of it doesn't associate the film with me, the amount of times Lee's like, well is that film that we watched?

13:52UnknownAnd I'm like, oh. but yeah, so Crazy Head doesn't really make any sense except she's crazy, except she's not really crazy. She just sees demons. and then then as she meets another girl

14:03ChrisBut the demons are real then in this.

14:05UnknownYes, yeah, the demons are real. and only certain people can see them. So another girl then starts thinking she's crazy, but she can see the demons. They get together.

14:15Unknownand yeah, I mean it's quite you know, amusing, interesting. only six episodes, which is always a shame with anything British. But yeah, yeah, it was good.

14:25LeeHad longer episodes as well. And the other thing it's so that this is the girl from Zombieland, and the other girl is the girl who wants to be the first female cop in Year of the Rabbit.

14:38AdamOh yeah.

14:38LeeYeah. And so I knew I recognised her and it took me a little while in watching Year of the Rabbit to work out where from. But yeah, so she's in Crazy Head as well.

14:46UnknownVery good. Yeah.

14:48LeeYeah, so very much a comedy kind of possibly more aimed at teens.

14:53UnknownYeah, yeah, probably. Teens and slightly older perhaps, but yeah not not particularly silly or overly romantic or any of that nonsense. It was yeah good fun, straight to the point.

15:04LeeYeah, good old fun.

15:05UnknownKill some demons. Yeah, it's good.

15:08Leeand we have been a non-horror related almost. I've finally discovered after cutting it down for the last 20 years that I was wrong the whole time. And Midsummer Murders is amazing.

15:23UnknownI've turned him.

15:24LeeSo since lockdown has started, I've watched the first six seasons of Midsummer Murders. and we saw one the other day with Honor Blackman. and Jennifer said oh I was just looking her up on IMDb.

15:37LeeShe was in a horror film. And Jennifer had never seen to the Devil a Daughter. So

15:42UnknownBut I had read the book, but I hadn't seen the film.

15:44LeeOh okay.

15:45UnknownYeah, we watched that. That was good.

15:47LeeIt was.

15:47UnknownNothing like the book at all.

15:50LeeBut yeah. And always used with Dennis Wheatley. It's also the film that killed Hammer Studios, so

15:56UnknownYeah, I mean it wasn't as good as some of the other ones definitely, but it was yeah watchable.

16:00LeeI really like it. I know it gets a lot of shit from people, but I I I genuinely think it's a good film.

16:05UnknownYeah, it's just a bit complicated and then wasn't and then yeah I don't think the story was particularly good, perhaps because they did just change it from the book and cut it down and mixed it up a bit.

16:18UnknownWhereas you know, the Devil Rides Out is brilliant. Oh yeah it works very well. So yeah, precisely. But yeah, definitely watchable.

16:25LeeGreat film.

16:26AdamSpeaking of books this was just something that came up and I thought I'd ask everyone. Has anyone read the actual sequel to 101 Dalmatians?

16:38UnknownWhat? 102 Dalmatians?

16:41AdamNo, that's the sequel film. But the original the original book that it's based on, 101 Dalmatians, there is a sequel to it where and I'm not making this shit up.

16:54AdamThere's a sequel to it where everyone on earth falls asleep. And then the dogs form their own government because they yeah they discovered that

17:08UnknownI thought this is another farm, Adam.

17:10AdamYeah no, they discovered that they're telepathic

17:13UnknownRight.

17:13Adamand fly.

17:15UnknownI think you dreamt this.

17:16AdamNo no no no. I looked into it.

17:19UnknownI'm going to look it up now because I don't believe you.

17:21AdamYeah, so yeah. And there is they all gather in Trafalgar Square and a UFO comes down with a dog in it. And the dog is there to say you've got to come with me.

17:35AdamWe put everyone to sleep because they're going to destroy the planet with nuclear weapons.

17:41LeeNo, you're having me on. There's no real.

17:43AdamI am not This is yeah the dogs can yeah this is all yeah we saw

17:49LeeWhat?

17:50AdamSo I take it Disney didn't want to do this one.

17:57LeeJennifer is looking up and shaking her head, so it it looks like you might well

18:00UnknownNo no no, it's not loaded yet.

18:04AdamBut yeah it's I can't it's called something like

18:06UnknownIs it called the Starlight Barking?

18:08AdamThat's it.

18:10Unknown1967 children's novel, apparently.

18:10AdamYes.

18:13AdamYeah, there you go.

18:14UnknownWell.

18:15AdamAnd that is actually the sequel to 101 Dalmatians.

18:19UnknownYeah, that's what it says.

18:21LeeInter 1967.

18:22UnknownYeah. And the original was in 1956 novel, the 101 Dalmatians. There you go.

18:30LeeWell Roswell happened between those two, so yeah I guess that's probably where it came from.

18:32UnknownMaybe that's where it came from, yeah.

18:35LeeCool. Excellent. Right. Thank you very much for that. That's mental.

18:42AdamMidsummer Murders though, have you seen the one where the woman kills her husband by cat by using a clay pigeon machine to fire bottles of wine at him?

18:51LeeNo.

18:53AdamYeah. That's my favorite thing I've that's literally all I've ever seen of Midsummer Murders. But it was like 3:00 in the afternoon. I idly turned the telly on, and there is a man pegged to the floor with croquet hoops.

19:07AdamAnd someone firing yeah his wine cellar at him to kill him.

19:12UnknownWow. I feel that might be one of the later ones when they had to start, you know, scraping the bottom of the barrel with their murders. But yeah.

19:22LeeI'll let you know if we get that far.

19:23UnknownYeah.

19:24AdamThank you.

19:24ChrisI think that's the way I'd like to go now.

19:29Leeso without further ado, let's find out. I've got feeling I know the answer to this one. Chris, how did you feel about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre?

19:41ChrisOh I'm glad you asked me that, Lee.

19:45ChrisNo I like I really went into it and I thought I'm going to I've got to try I'm going to definitely not be predictable here. I've got to get everything I can out of it.

19:55ChrisAnd I currently have the feeling that the more I think about it, possibly the more I like it. However, it's going to depend on some details.

20:06LeeOkay.

20:07ChrisRight. So so it totally wasn't a funny film, yeah.

20:12LeeNo.

20:12ChrisAnd and I've got to be a bit careful here not to rush to the end because I would have said until the end. Yeah, when it got

20:22UnknownI think it's a bit silly, but not

20:24ChrisYes, definitely silly is a word I might use. but yeah I there's a few blanks that I need filled in. so so it wasn't based on a true story, was it?

20:39AdamNo.

20:40ChrisOkay, but they they

20:41AdamIt's based around Ed Gein. But

20:45ChrisWho?

20:46AdamA a guy called Ed Gein. He was a guy in Wisconsin who got basically he killed his mother and then another lady who came around to visit his mother.

21:02Adamgutted them like deer and hang them hung them from the like

21:11Adamand when the police came round and arrested him, they found out that he'd been robbing graves for years. And he'd made things out of the bodies. So he had

21:24ChrisYeah. Okay.

21:25Adamskull bowls that he ate from like soup bowls. and lampshades made out of people's skin. And things. So he basically yeah upholstered

21:38ChrisNow arguably that's quite creative. He could have gone far in the right industry.

21:50UnknownYeah.

21:53LeeHe was just Etsy before his time, really.

21:55AdamWell it's you know, it's it's we've all been told that we we shouldn't agree with fast fashion. And you know, we need to we need to repair and learn to sew.

22:05AdamRepair and learn to sew your mother's skin and wear it.

22:08UnknownWhy not?

22:10AdamYou know, this is all this is all things that Ed Gein did. So there it's very it's kind of Toby Hooper was told the stories as a kid of Ed Gein.

22:19AdamAnd kind of his extrapolation of that sort of thing.

22:24ChrisOkay. So yeah because you normally I would have thought grave robbing would be to get valuables, I suppose.

22:34LeeYeah, rather than the actual bodies themselves. Yeah, the majority of it was looking for jewelry and that type of thing.

22:36ChrisYeah.

22:41ChrisOkay, but but yeah so so I wasn't sure because of the way they started it with the the text coming up and the narrator saying it. It was like okay.

22:49ChrisAnd they obviously they didn't say it's based on true story, so I figured it's probably not exactly, but obviously like you say, it was some similarity there, just

23:00AdamIn interestingly enough though, it is not any movie can say at the beginning that this is a true story. There's no

23:12Adamthere's no legal precedent for it. in fact, most of the Coen Brothers films I think have that a bit as an opening.

23:19LeeYeah, I think so do, yeah.

23:21AdamBecause famously there was the girl who watched Fargo and believed there was money buried out in Alaska, went out there and just died.

23:30UnknownYeah.

23:30AdamMight die of exposure. So yeah, there's no there's no sort of statute in that sense that you have to say this is you can't say this is true.

23:38ChrisYeah.

23:40AdamSo even if you say it's based on real events, doesn't have to be real events either.

23:45ChrisI agree. But yeah, so so essentially it wasn't a family who all orchestrate killings in order to eat people.

23:53AdamNo. But he did he I think he also based it on there's the Bloody Benders which is the Bender family of Texas, and they were a they ran like a sort of hotel or like an inn, basically.

24:12AdamAnd but they had a curtain and a killing floor. And basically you'd be sat at the head of the table for dinner with your back to the curtain. And while you were eating, one of them would be behind there with a sledgehammer, stove your head in, and then they just got rid of your body and nicked your valuables and stuff like that.

24:32AdamAnd that was that was an actual that was a family. So I think he also that that sort of plays into it as well. A lot of it sort of like

24:40UnknownYeah.

24:41AdamTexas and sort of Midwest myth not mythology, but like sort of because the bloody Benders that was sort of pioneer sort of times. You know.

24:52UnknownOkay. Yeah. Okay. Well so so I suppose the start yeah so I thought that was okay and I guess it's old enough that it's it wasn't into the action quickly.

25:09UnknownSo it is a big build up for over half the film of the five friends who they all seemed a bit Annoying. Yeah yeah like you know you don't really like any of them and and obviously you're trying to work out who is is are any of them heroes or any of you know what's what are their roles because obviously in Not really.

25:32Unknownwhen in slasher films or you know you you got certain roles they play stereotypes, but yeah and so Franklin was was extremely annoying, but to be honest for a lot of it I thought it was going to be him that got turned into a killer somehow and I was thinking well that seems unlikely because it's a bit difficult to kill people in a wheelchair.

25:55UnknownRight but but the way that You want to cut off your legs? But but but the way that obviously he was the one that got cut he he wasn't getting helped.

26:03Unknownhe was hating the whole thing and it and but the way that he was thinking so deeply about you know this guy who came in there and cut him and is he chasing them and you know what did it mean and talking about the the stars Yeah.

26:20Unknownwas it Retribution, Saturn and yeah and so you know it's like okay something weird going on with him. Obviously it didn't turn out to be the case, but But is that a trap that you know someone new watching it cuz obviously I've watched it a lot before this that you fall into you know where they the film tries to make you think yeah who is it that 's going to be killing or killed and you think it's the weird guy.

26:43UnknownAnd then of course they go to the house that all seems very normal. Yeah.

26:43UnknownYeah.

26:47UnknownAnd you're almost not expecting it or were you by that Wait wait which house was normal? Well their house and like from the outside it's all just a house.

26:54UnknownYeah so their house Yeah absolutely and even Yeah absolutely and even

26:58AdamWhen you walk and they film they film it in that sort of summary sort of haze and it's sunflowers.

27:02UnknownAs if you just think

27:04AdamYeah these are nice neighbors and even the skulls on the wall when he first sees them again they're quite decoratively arranged.

27:11UnknownYeah it's a bit like hunting trophies or something. You might be Christ, but it's not

27:12AdamYeah.

27:15AdamAnd it's not until that first murder that you then obviously get to see the horror of the other room and then you realize. So I don't know that fools you as it were.

27:26UnknownYeah. One thing that did

27:29AdamNo go on mate.

27:30UnknownAnd what the red color stood out so much and of the generator at first and then at the end the chuck and I just of some reason I don't know why that color stood out so much.

27:42Adamthey There's not much blood in the film.

27:46UnknownNo.

27:47AdamThere is a lot of red in the film.

27:49UnknownYeah.

27:50AdamI wonder if that's a design to sort of put that there. I don't know.

27:56UnknownBut I don't like It's what catches you off guard the the whole color palette on all of this, excuse me, is that really seventies washed out paper grain. but yeah as you say the and then when you do see things like like that engine the the generator and stuff again back and and that say so it goes from that really washed out to like you say that really bright hazy and that's the thing so you got you're watching it it's grainy, it's nasty, it's unpleasant.

28:23UnknownAnd then all of a sudden it's beautiful sunshine and everything is beautifully painted and the outside of the house looks lovely. And that's why you almost relax to such a degree.

28:32UnknownAnd then when he just comes out of that doorway and it's that thunk of he gets hit in the head with that club hammer I just out of nowhere and horrible.

28:42UnknownIt's fantastic.

28:43AdamWell just to give you an insight they didn't let anyone see Leatherface until they were shooting the scene.

28:55UnknownOh right.

28:55AdamSo when he comes out because that they knew what it was going to happen if someone was going to come out and hit them and they would fall down.

29:02UnknownBut the details are important here.

29:03AdamYeah. They didn't bother telling him it was going to be like a fucking like six foot seven guy with a fuck with someone else's face so stuck together on his.

29:16Adambut I think going back to what you were saying about when you're trying to work out who's going to be what it's weird because I think you're you're in in a time sense this is the year zero bit of slasher movies.

29:31UnknownYeah. So I'm trying to have that in mind a little bit.

29:35AdamYou're thinking in terms of who's the jock, who's the stoner, who's the who's the whatever you know who's the smart one. But none of them are. They're just they're just a collection of people.

29:44UnknownYeah. They're just a group of yeah.

29:47AdamYeah. But and literally the only thing that sort of sticks to slasher film protocol is having a final girl.

30:00UnknownOkay. Yeah.

30:00AdamBut even then there's nothing in what happens with Sally's character to give you that sense that she would be the

30:10UnknownYeah she's not a strong or a brave or anything strong.

30:11Adamfinal girl because she

30:14UnknownThey're really strong or virgin or it tends to be one or the other. No.

30:18AdamBut in this I don't and I'd like I like the fact that it is just it's a group of people frankly. It's a prick. That's that's what you need to know more than that.

30:28AdamAnd I mean let's face it they get the warning and this is my point. Don't go walking around in other folks' property. Some folks don't like it and they don't mind showing it.

30:43UnknownYeah.

30:44AdamAnd literally I mean the first guy you find it have you ever gone into a house when you found if you found the door open or would you

30:52UnknownYeah no.

30:54AdamIf it's if it's you're going round your mum's maybe. But a total fucking stranger's place like you're you're not local or anything.

31:04UnknownBut wait is this is this Britain talking versus Texas? Yeah.

31:10AdamWell Texas even more so cuz the fuckers are

31:11UnknownWell I'd be tempted to agree, but Yeah. But of its time that was probably more the thing wasn't it doors It may have been. Perhaps yeah I don't know.

31:20UnknownBut we have learned our lesson. Yes. Yeah and that's why people don't do it anymore.

31:26AdamWell certainly that one won't be doing it again.

31:28UnknownIt's also why you don't pick up an inch hitchhiker it looks like fucking Anthony Perkins from Red Hot Chilli Peppers cuz

31:32AdamYeah.

31:36UnknownI know Lee so mean Lee so mean. He does. He's got terrible hair. He's got mouth. He's it's him. It's just him all over.

31:40AdamWhat the hitchhiker?

31:44Adamfrankly it's actually for the fear of it being Anthony Perkins.

31:50AdamCuz yeah I mean it's more the fact that you've got Anthony Perkins in the car. He starts talking and you're like where the fuck am I going to get rid of this body?

32:02AdamCuz he ain't he ain't he ain't leaving this car alive.

32:08UnknownYeah.

32:09AdamBut I think yeah there's a lot in it that's it like that really disarms you and it's weird cuz it was something that I've only really picked I really really picked up on this watch is how much it disarms you that they go to their family like home.

32:13AdamAnd that place stank to high heaven.

32:16UnknownYeah. Yeah funny, but you get just from

32:27AdamAnd as Claire said they're meant to have been away for what six years. The Texas heat is really quite brutal on us.

32:34UnknownOh shit. Yeah.

32:35AdamLike it's been burnt out since Victorian era. But yeah I mean but that is the scary house.

32:42UnknownYeah.

32:43AdamAnd they make a big thing about the daddy long legs in the corner and stuff like that which is just

32:47UnknownYeah sure.

32:50AdamAnd there's a lot of really about it which I like. And then they go over to the other house and you would be lulled into the full sense of security of like the cuz there's nothing it's not a haunted house.

33:02AdamIt is inside because that's where like you go around anyone's house. Anyone's house is a reflection of their personality and their internal person. The exterior probably won't do that cuz there's only so much you can do.

33:16AdamSo they've got this lovely very well maintained big property with beautiful garden and everything else like that. And you go in and it's hell.

33:26UnknownYeah.

33:27AdamBut it's yeah and I but I do think that they there's two things that really glow you. One is the house and the second is the cook.

33:29Unknownwatching

33:37UnknownOh right so I was going to talk about him a little bit because he that I think at that point when he attacked the girl and he's driving her back is where I really started to think okay the psychology of these people is quite interesting cuz he was flipping between his customer service sensitive voice where he knows he has to do that to lull people into a sense of this is all fine, you know, but then the excitement of just bashing her a bit and he's like he just he loves to just bash her a bit more and love it.

34:10UnknownBut then he's like no it's all fine don't worry. I'm going to have a nice time.

34:13AdamI find that scene is like he he has yeah like you say he's got that childish glee when he's with that broom handle. Yeah and he keeps stopping and saying it's all right don't worry.

34:15UnknownYeah.

34:24UnknownYeah. Or when it's it's definitely not right. Yeah.

34:30AdamThe thing is as well again it's one of those things there's a lot in this film cuz I mean there's there's obvious there's obviously scary shit.

34:38UnknownI

34:39Unknownyeah.

34:40AdamLeatherface's first appearance, people being hung on hooks. They're all things that sort of relate as sort of like you know that's going to be horrible. But weirdly enough

34:44UnknownYeah.

34:50Adamsomeone just started smacking you with a broom that fucking hurt.

34:53UnknownYes.

34:53AdamYou know what I mean you just sort of suddenly out the blue it sort of and like starts twatting you with the broom and you're being like a bit sort of you know the the the sort of disassociation that you've already got going on is completely sort of snapped into sharp relief with that.

35:10UnknownWould you say he's perfectly calm like he is there to help her until he suddenly turns up with a second rope. Yeah and it doesn't take long for you to suddenly go oh shit no this isn't going well oh it was going and it turns so He was the he was the barbecue.

35:25UnknownAnd yeah you believe in him being a nice bloke. Yeah but when we've seen him earlier though he did like he had a little bit of a you know he says something a little bit strange here, but you know that could just be normal.

35:37UnknownBut yeah and and the way it was like I bought some barbecue or like coming out some barbecue and then he's bought some and they're eating it it's like is that normal barbecue?

35:47AdamAnd and quite quite frankly it is clear to me that they have decided that Franklin is eating a dick. When he comes out the thing and he's just about sausage hanging out hanging out with bloody cigar.

35:47Unknownthink

36:00AdamIt's like they've just decided yeah let's just give Franklin a dick cuz he is one.

36:07AdamBut I think yeah Jim Seedell who plays that character cuz he's totally he's kind of innocuous the first time. So he's not really you know it's not the sort of proper like the harbinger in Cabin in the Woods.

36:22UnknownYeah.

36:23AdamYou know the overtly freak guy who runs the gas station is like hostile whereas he's just like yeah quite friendly bit of a salesman for his own barbecue.

36:24UnknownYeah yeah.

36:29UnknownHe's all right doesn't he?

36:34AdamAnd just yeah but he doesn't get to into the plot in a weird way. and then when she goes back there you almost you you kind of almost expect him to get killed because that's how that narrative sort of goes.

36:53UnknownYeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was expecting.

36:53AdamIt'd be like no you're all right I'll come around and help you. He opens the door Leatherface fucking chains in the ass. You know that's

36:57UnknownI

37:00AdamYeah. And then he turns and then obviously the hitchhiker turns up as well. and but that's the thing that that is that 's where to me it's the family interactions that are fun.

37:13UnknownYeah and I was going to say the family dynamic becomes fascinating.

37:17AdamMy favorite line in the whole film is look what your brother did to the door.

37:22UnknownYeah.

37:24AdamAnd and that's the thing as well is like the character of Leatherface. Leatherface has this is Leatherface's shittiest day as well.

37:33UnknownAw.

37:34AdamYou know because he's clearly not you know he's clearly you know he's clearly got like mental incapacity. And there's a bit where he sits and puts his head in his hands a bit sort of like

37:49UnknownYeah and he's like yeah.

37:51AdamWhere he's like almost like where the hell fucking coming from? What's going on?

37:54UnknownYeah.

37:57AdamYeah. You but then but then he thinks about all the food they've got coming.

38:03UnknownYeah.

38:04AdamAnd he's you know he's doing his he's doing his best. also and this is something that I really looked out for on on this watch as well is he does have a different he's got three different masks.

38:06Unknownmean,

38:17UnknownYeah.

38:19AdamThere's the killing mask which is obviously the one he's wearing first. And then there's like an old woman mask and then there's the it's dinner so I'm going to be dressed up as a pretty lady.

38:29UnknownYeah. Eye shadow on yeah. but cuz yeah I was going to say there's not many females in this family. No you wonder almost where they went the mothers, but yeah.

38:39UnknownYeah. They're still upstairs in a rocking chair. We saw them.

38:43AdamThe grandmother is, but yeah. That's that's the art director Robert Burns. he actually did that off his own back in that he said there were no women in the family.

38:55AdamSo I was like so I just built it I built grandma put her up there so it was like you you could at least see where they'd come from.

39:05Adamcuz grandpa as well I mean that's that's that's an attractive figure of a man.

39:10UnknownThat's horrible. But again that sort of sadness when they're trying to get him to kill her and he can't manage it and you almost like you don't quite feel sorry for him, but you almost do don't you in that sort of like oh why they keep making him do it and oh why

39:16UnknownI

39:24AdamYeah that he's alive well be not only that but that's another one of those ones where it's like he does hit her with the hammer.

39:32UnknownNot very well.

39:33AdamBut not with real force, but again it doesn't feel hurt.

39:36UnknownIt doesn't Yeah. Yeah.

39:39AdamYou know it's really that last dinner sequence really it ramps in there is the funny stuff because like grandpa not being able to kill him anybody. It's quite comedic you know it's darkly comedic shall we say.

39:54AdamBut also Toby Hooper said that when she wakes up and screams and they're all going

40:03Adamhe said that was inspired by Growing Up with Brothers and Sisters.

40:07UnknownYeah you mimicked. They knew straight away yeah.

40:10AdamAnd he was like he said yeah I'll just be sitting you know you sit at the table crying what's everyone else going to do?

40:18AdamAnd yeah. And you know that like he said that's the there's part of the the sort of horror of it is it's like recalling when you were a kid at dinner time.

40:25Unknownthink

40:28UnknownThey're almost your normal dysfunctional family. Jennifer would have never done anything like that. No no no no no.

40:37AdamStuff like powdered glass, razor blades in the It's took a real took a real edge.

40:46UnknownYeah so all right duality of father figure as well again you know like you can see that Leatherface and his brother have taken pleasure in tormenting her. And he's like no no you if you're going to do it do it that's fine.

41:03UnknownI don't want you to take pleasure in this is wrong until he starts leaving grandpa the hammer then he starts He does. Yeah yeah.

41:11AdamNo that's it.

41:16UnknownWhich he he tries to keep down, but yeah it's there.

41:20AdamHe's try he's the one who as far as he's concerned he's better than these two.

41:24UnknownYeah yeah.

41:26AdamBut he is.

41:27UnknownYou and Adam will be doing Chris you know when you're disciplining your children you want to go in the other room and just laugh out loud you know like whatever they've done it's hilarious, but I have to be serious now.

41:34Unknownagain,

41:38UnknownYeah. Part of me thought that is that why they're like this cuz he's got that nasty streak that he tries to hide. But maybe cuz he doesn't Yeah. He's been like that.

41:48UnknownYeah. Like they're like oh if I do it he'll just end up laughing so I'll just do what I want and that's Yeah. But also also he does abuse them like so you know he's he's hit them all their lives and so they've obviously taken that on.

42:00UnknownYeah.

42:02AdamThat's the thing is Leatherface could fucking tear him apart.

42:05UnknownYeah yeah.

42:06AdamYou know I mean that bit of Leatherface they even gave they even gave him dialogue. So when he's whimpering to to the older brother he was that was lines that he had.

42:20AdamThere was a point to it. It was a bit like Chewbacca had lines in Star Wars. But they just overdubbed it with noise so everyone else could sort of interact with it.

42:32AdamSo yeah. And but there's a lot I don't know. A lot of what I love about it I have to say is it's first of all it's definitely the first.

42:44Unknownthis

42:47AdamSo and that gives you that that takes away any of that security of like sort of well you know well she's she's had sex. She's clearly going to get killed or whatever you know premise of the thing is.

43:01AdamWhereas this is this has that same this has the right feeling that that situation would have of this is fucked up, but there's nothing I can do about it.

43:12UnknownYeah.

43:13AdamYou know which is

43:14UnknownThere are rules there are rules

43:15Adamwhich is absolutely terrifying.

43:17UnknownYeah.

43:18AdamYou know because it's like it's that thing I think actually weirdly enough cuz it's like one of the things that this inspired, but it's like we said with House of a Thousand Corpses, it's just that thing of oh this is against the law and this shouldn't happen.

43:31AdamIt's like

43:31UnknownYeah.

43:34AdamYeah which is

43:35UnknownIt reminds me so much of House of a Thousand Corpses and obviously this is where Rob Zombie has taken it from. But impressive that this is such a different film to that despite having similarities.

43:47UnknownBut you know both films are very good in different ways. Yeah I think House of a Thousand Corpses obviously is very stylized and does look like a Rob Zombie and the thing that always gets me with this and no matter how many times I see it is just how horrible it looks.

43:53Unknownis

44:02UnknownThe washed out graininess, all the shots are done at really weird angles and there's loads of like all that super close up stuff of Orion stuff just breaking out.

44:13AdamYeah. That's the thing it is it's actually I mean he's a Toby Hooper's a really good fucking director.

44:13UnknownAnd it's

44:19UnknownIncredible.

44:20AdamAnd but but in this he uses that exclusively to rank up the tension.

44:25UnknownDefinitely yeah.

44:27AdamYou know I mean like like you say the stuff of her eye you know I mean that's you know that's not that easy to sort of achieve especially like on a low budget.

44:37AdamBut I mean everything is yeah it's it's something that again the title tends to sort of tear away from. Is the expected to be a lot more exploitation rather than art.

44:54AdamIt's very arty real. But yeah. And I mean it's also I have to obsess about the score for a minute.

45:02UnknownAnd

45:03UnknownJust about to say as well with the with the strange shots as well yeah like the score for this is just another level. It's I think got the soundtrack Adam haven't you?

45:14AdamI have got the soundtrack and I will I will say the and this is not this is not in any way in a psychotic sense, but actually in a sort of or possibly not from my point of view anyway.

45:23UnknownSo you're going to sleep with your dick?

45:25AdamNo I I use it at work a lot.

45:28UnknownOh okay.

45:29AdamLike I put I put it on I put it on the headphones and it's just there. And oh god it's like it it's really sort of it centers me.

45:38AdamPuts me in a very sort of you know

45:40UnknownDoes it make you want to kill your colleagues?

45:43AdamWeirdly enough I think it might be preventing that.

45:45UnknownReduces it here.

45:48AdamIt it takes me to a much calmer place. But a lot of but I mean it's they still haven't revealed properly how they do that noise at the beginning.

45:59UnknownOh with the light bulbs.

46:00AdamYeah that

46:01UnknownYeah that is horrible absolutely horrific.

46:04AdamYeah. But like Wayne Bell has said that he can actually do that noise quite easily. But he's he said I'll I'm going to try and take it to my grave just because it should be you know enough people have asked me to do it and I'm not telling them.

46:12UnknownI

46:22UnknownI think it's one of those things it works perfectly in this cuz you've never seen it anywhere else where if it was like like you say the sound you know where like the thing now is as soon as anything supernatural is happening you have that sound of cicadas like wings and like and it's just so overused on absolutely everything.

46:34AdamYeah.

46:39AdamOr like low frequency rumble.

46:41UnknownYeah.

46:45AdamBut yeah and but the majority of it is either there's bits of percussion there's a lot of children's toys.

46:55UnknownAw.

46:57Adambut the majority of it is recordings of a chainsaw. And slowed and warped and distorted and played backwards and stuff like that. So a lot of that stuff that's actually just a chainsaw like slowed down by like 30 40 percent.

47:19AdamAgain and again it's stuff that you've never heard so it's unsettling.

47:21Unknownthink

47:23UnknownYeah.

47:24AdamAnd I mean I think I think the key sequence is the bone room.

47:31UnknownYeah.

47:32AdamWhen she falls into the room and there's a chicken in a bird cage and you know the skull sofa and lamps and everything else like that. And the best the best touch feathers.

47:48UnknownYeah.

47:50AdamCuz suddenly that room's wheezy.

47:52UnknownYeah. They're stuck into everything and it's keeping all the dust in. Yeah it's just horrible. Yeah.

47:58UnknownThis is Lee's favor of ducks. This is where it comes from isn't it?

48:02AdamBut I think it's that but again you know what they did I mean and again this is like we said with the exorcist. I think a powerful film has something going on behind it that bleeds into the film.

48:19AdamIn the exorcist it was the fact that William Friedkin's a fucking lunatic. And with this it's probably very much the same with Toby Hooper. But so all that stuff And said that you know they had bones with bits of meats and and everything else like that.

48:30Unknownactually

49:40UnknownAnd I think actually that's that's something as well is that obviously so you've got a house full of meat and bones and everything and it was what they described in the documentary that I watched as a Texas heatwave.

49:58UnknownCause So if Texans have noticed it's hot basically so like and this is the example the dinner sequence, I think they filmed it over the best part of 30 hours.

50:15UnknownThe guy who plays grandpa they only had him scheduled for one day and they only had enough makeup to do him up once. Yeah. So yeah, so So he was stuck in that

50:31Unknownover that sort of period of time. Now because it's set at night, they're filming during the day. So they've got blackout curtains over all the windows. They reckon that the the sort of crew seem to have all hit upon they reckon it was about 120 degrees Fahrenheit in that room with your with the lights and with you know like furniture made out of rotting bones and meat on the table and everything.

51:03UnknownYeah, and that's so for us that's around 50 degrees centigrade that you're sat in that room with all that going on. People were leaving the room to throw up and come back in.

51:17UnknownSo Gunnar Hansen is also, as you can see in that picture behind you, wearing a great big jacket and a full face mask like that must have just grandpa who's a guy about 25 has like the full prosthetic stuck to it and a full suit on and he like oh god.

51:36UnknownAnd yeah it comes out because

51:40Unknowneveryone looks tortured. It wasn't allowed now, would it? It'd be like no health and safety, you've got on and And I think actually that and what what also I think the the other main takeaway from this for me this watch this time there's only one person in this film with any fucking sense and that is the bloke who's driving the truck.

52:02UnknownYeah. Yeah. Obviously you've gone to the end. I was looking forward to this. Go on, Chris. Sorry, Chris. So I I just got to say I did not expect the girl to get away at the end.

52:16UnknownI I thought she was going to get it and it was close several times. It was very close. Is that from House of a Thousand Corpses where you think he's got away and then she has It could be.

52:27UnknownYeah. For yeah, so I kind of I did actually kind of like the fact that she did, but then I was like hold on, who's driving her? And it was it about to suddenly go wrong again, but no.

52:38UnknownSo that was good. But yeah, that last sequence was funny. And yeah, Why did driver not stay in his truck and let her in and they both jumped out the other side.

52:47UnknownWhat? But but I kind of thought they had done that where people don't necessarily do what you really think they should do. You know, they probably do do things that we really doing and after you're like why did you do that?

52:57UnknownThat was dumb. How many How many people can you count without a mask every day? Yeah. You know, it's on a similar sort of level really. But I think yeah, that I no, I think that he's the only one who's got any sense because he's like starts getting out and have to help her and then he's like Yeah, and he's like They leap back in then they go out the other side and he just he keeps running.

53:21UnknownYeah. Yeah, I sort of thought why did he stop driving though? But you know. It's because he's got the isn't cuz isn't it him who hits the hitchhiker? The big truck.

53:31UnknownYeah. Yeah. So he's got he's got hitchhiker up in his Oh no, sorry sorry. No, when he when he gets back in, I thought she gets and then yeah, he just started driving.

53:41UnknownBut he comes out the other side, the lorry driver. Yeah, I didn't know why got it the other side. No no, oh yeah. I think it's because Leatherface is just on their side door.

53:51UnknownYeah. Yeah, maybe. That's fair. There's a There's a fun fact to notice as well. The only person you actually see get cut with a chainsaw is Leatherface. yeah. Because You don't actually see the cutting when he's using it.

54:07UnknownYeah. Yeah, and the only person the only other the person who gets killed with it's Franklin. Yeah. And you just see that sort of like I'm lit with torches and stuff like that.

54:19UnknownBut I I think the choice to see it land on Leatherface was quite funny. Yes. Apparently though that that was another example of brilliance where they put a metal plate on Gunnar Hansen's thigh and a bit of meat on top of it.

54:35UnknownYeah. That's right with the chainsaw and then the chainsaw like heated up the metal and burnt his leg. Yeah. Oops. So So the screaming was real. This I think so.

54:48UnknownI think yeah, and apparently I mean, the reason that they I mean, it's a very it's a bloodless film for what it is. But apparently and this this made my jaw drop apparently because Toby Hooper thought he could get like a PG-13.

55:06UnknownOne of the most horrific horrific films to I think this is the most horrific film we've ever covered. And and it's one of the most horrific films that I can still enjoy.

55:17UnknownBut I don't think teenagers think so because it's not blood and gore. So I think it is for us because we can genuinely think oh my god, this is a family slaughtering people, but I'm not sure that younger kids watching it would think of it in that way.

55:32UnknownYou know, I think what makes it less horrific is that they're all mentally deficient in different ways or possibly in similar ways. So it's like it's not they're not sort of evil, they're just all childish and Silly.

55:47UnknownYou know, yeah, but they're messed up. Yeah, well maybe. If they were malicious, it's the fact that they are just they're so unpredictable and as you say, the fact that they are all mentally deficient is like they've got no boundaries.

56:00UnknownThey will do anything and they just and the fact that they're all like egging each other on to do it as well. Like it just You're in their work.

56:09UnknownYeah. Yeah. Yeah. But in theory that means that they probably would be caught by police. Now what might make it more if it is why they're no police there, you know, investigating this.

56:20UnknownWell obviously our next movie to cover will be Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 and with that you will see both a result of what what becomes of the people of the family after So is it Is it Does it follow on from this point?

56:40UnknownIt It does, but not in a it it I don't know. It does, but not it's not you're following the family. You're following someone else and in relation to the family.

56:52UnknownSo it but it does follow on. So you see there sort of they end up that they're basically without giving too many spoilers away, they're not in the house anymore presumably because they've had to go on the run.

57:04UnknownSo following Sally actually making it out alive Sally actually making it out alive. Yeah, on a cruise ship somewhere.

57:13UnknownTexas Chainsaw Massacre in space. Yes. I mean, they nearly got to that level because obviously what I was going to say I we'll talk about like how the franchise worked when we do number two really.

57:27UnknownBut one of them was called Texas Chainsaw Massacre The Next Generation. We watched that we watched we for some reason I can't remember oh we watched Killer Joe and then Oh and you were looking for Matthew McConaughey.

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1:12:37UnknownReally? This is some This is something that I really think I want to And you know, this is this is entirely without having been to Texas. But in my head, these two films cover what my brain thinks Texas is.

1:12:56UnknownAnd this is basically I mean like Toby Hooper said, you know, he grew up in I think he grew up in Austin. And so he was like he was you know, he was he was big city or whatever, you know.

1:13:07UnknownAnd then he said but you go to the more rural outskirts and it gets quite scary. Definitely this film is the bit of Texas that is the scary part of people out there who really don't give a fuck and will happily fuck you up.

1:13:24UnknownAnd then number two, episode two, it's not Star Wars.

1:13:32UnknownBut yeah, part two is like the big city version of Texas where it's just loud and fun Yeah. and over the top. And yeah, and it's like it's almost like someone said, can you do like a a tourist video via horror that sums up sums up our state.

1:13:55UnknownAnd he sort of had to do it as a two-parter where it was like, right, here's the scary end and here's the entertaining bit. It's still fucking scary but it's much It's a lot more fun.

1:14:06UnknownBut it's Toby Hooper and Bill Moseley. Like what a what a cast for the next one. I can't wait. I've not seen this film in probably five or six years now.

1:14:20Unknownand I do have such a fond memory of it but it is one of those film Again, like this one No. But like this one I'll always remember the first time I ever saw that film and where I was.

1:14:33UnknownYeah. I think Adam's lending it to me on a It was a I think we discussed this on a previous episode. You lent me a VHS and it was Spider Baby, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, something else possibly.

1:14:49UnknownIt was something else on there. I can't remember but basically it was like it was The House of a Thousand Corpses primer. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Sid Sid Haig in Spider Baby and Texas and Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 with Bill Moseley.

1:15:02UnknownYeah. And they're the films that inspired Rob Zombie to do House of a Thousand Corpses was essentially those two films. So Yeah. Maybe it's his concert on the end.

1:15:12UnknownMaybe a White Zombie maybe on there. Yeah.

1:15:18UnknownCool. right. So let's wrap it up there. we shall see you all next week for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 which will be a totally different experience on It's incredible that it's from the same writer and director.

1:15:35UnknownYeah. It's just I I love it as much but they couldn't be more diametrically opposed to Yeah. It's It's weird cuz also because especially in my head I always think to myself, well, Evil Dead 2, that's basically the comedy remake of Evil Dead 1.

1:15:52UnknownAnd then it's like yeah, but if you want the really like Is Are you sure this is the same blank of yeah, of these two, it's going to be great.

1:16:04UnknownWell, I can't wait then. Excellent. Right. So thanks so much for listening everybody. please comment below or message us on Instagram. don't forget to go and listen to Not for Everyone podcast.

1:16:20Unknownquick hi to Alex. Want to say hi to Alex. Caught up with Hi Alex. So welcome Alex. Thanks very much. yes, and we will see you next week for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.

1:16:31UnknownGood night. Good night. Bye. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.