Night of the Living Dead

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LeeGood evening and welcome to episode 99 of

LeeWelcome to Horror.

LeeI'm Lee.

ChrisI'm Chris.

AdamI'm Adam.

UnknownI'm Jennifer.

LeeUh, I honestly, guys, I'm gobsmacked. I never, when we first started doing this, I thought we would possibly manage 30 episodes.

UnknownYou wouldn't even think, you know, make it keep there.

ChrisWell.

AdamOkay.

UnknownHere we are, on a 99.

Lee99 episodes.

AdamWhich means that technically Welcome to Horror now comes to you with a flake.

ChrisYes.

LeeOh.

UnknownYou're a bit flakey some of you.

ChrisYes.

ChrisBut it's also nice and creamy.

LeeMm.

LeeLet's move away from that.

LeeUm,

LeeUh, Chris, have you watched anything this week?

ChrisI have, I went for Come to Daddy.

UnknownOoh, nice. Yeah.

ChrisYeah, Elijah Wood.

LeeYeah.

Chrisin a, in a very unusual role, I think, nothing like I've seen him before.

ChrisUm, and and who else was in it? It's, uh, the, the guy from Kill List, Michael Michael Smiley. Michael Michael Smiley's in it as well, yeah.

LeeIs it?

AdamOh, right. I'll definitely gonna watch it then, that's a guarantee.

LeeI didn't tell you that, Adam, it was gonna be a surprise.

LeeBut yeah.

ChrisAh.

ChrisSo I, I thought Adam had watched it as well.

AdamNo, I've still not seen it.

AdamAnd also it's got,

ChrisAmazing, I've seen something Adam hasn't seen.

AdamAnd Stephen McHattie from Ponty Pool.

LeeIt certainly does.

ChrisYeah, so yeah, well, I won't say too much then. Um, but yeah, it's, uh, it it gave me a, a slight reminiscent of I'd say Pulp Fiction, although that's not gonna come across the way I'm thinking of it.

ChrisBut just because there are definitely some scenes where you're like, where's that come from? And yet it, you know, it carries on moving and entertaining, uh, and horrifying.

UnknownShock value a bit, maybe?

ChrisYeah.

ChrisYeah, and a few odd statements from each of the, the cast throughout.

UnknownMm.

LeeIt is really good and again, I, I really liked, like the, the twist and stuff in, you know, multiple.

ChrisYeah, yeah.

LeeUm, that's a film I reckon I could go back and rewatch quite easily.

ChrisGood, good horror comedy.

LeeYeah, fantastic.

UnknownOh, good call. Well done, Chris.

AdamWas that it for you, Chris?

ChrisYep.

AdamOkay.

AdamNo.

UnknownThat's all he needed, having watched that.

ChrisI I did also watch some of The Mandalorian, but, you know, it's not horror.

UnknownUh, season one.

ChrisOh, yeah, I thought I better, I better actually get to it, so I really pushed myself to watch a bit more this week and, uh, got through two episodes, I think.

LeeOh, season two starts on

ChrisThat's what I thought.

ChrisI've really had to season two.

LeeIt's brilliant.

LeeIt's so,

ChrisYeah, I know, it's, yeah, that's, it's great, yeah.

LeeI I was a bit unsure at the first if it was all gonna go a bit daft and cutesy, but actually it, it didn't, it, it was really good and I enjoyed every episode.

LeeI think I enjoyed it more and more as it rolled on as well, I think it got progressively better.

LeeOnce you sort of got to grips with the world and the characters in it.

LeeUm,

ChrisOkay.

AdamDoes Werner Herzog act towards the end?

LeeUh, I can't remember. Yes, he is in the later episode. Is he?

LeeI think he is.

ChrisHe seemed like he might be important.

AdamIt's Werner Herzog, he is very important.

LeeOh.

LeeBut yeah, it's again, could rewatch that because that was a year ago now that that first aired and we watched it.

LeeUm, yeah, so I don't really remember it in any great detail.

AdamI also finished watching the first series as well.

AdamI think I only got up to episode three and then I can't remember why I stopped watching it.

UnknownOh, I don't.

AdamI maybe my insomnia cleared up, I don't know.

LeeOh.

LeeI think it felt, it took about three episodes to get going and then once it was going, it got really good the later, the later into the season it went, so, uh,

LeeYeah.

LeeAnyway, sorry, uh, Adam.

AdamYou're.

LeeSo what did you see?

AdamWhat did I see? What did I see?

AdamWell, I watched an old favorite 'cause I bought it on Blu-ray, forgot that I had it, found it, and I was like, oh, yeah, I've got that because I assume we'd be doing it on Welcome to Horror soon.

AdamAnd it was ages ago, and we've still not got it lined up.

AdamBut, so I thought I'm pretty safe to watch it for the moment, so I watched The Monster Club.

UnknownAh.

LeeOh, yes.

UnknownYou've not done that yet?

LeeYes.

UnknownOh, you'd have pushed to that ages ago.

LeeNo, I know, I love that film so much.

AdamBut, um, yeah, so that was just, uh, a great, great deal of fun as usual.

AdamUh, it's the first time Player's seen it, so she, it's, um,

UnknownShe liked it?

AdamYeah, she, well, it's her second dose of Donald Pleasance since, uh, because of Halloween. And she just really, all Claire ever asked me is, can you show me another Vincent Price film?

LeeYes.

LeeThere's like, there's 140 of.

AdamBut but distinctly in the more sort of vibey end of stuff.

AdamAnd I was like, yeah, I think that's, that definitely sits in that department.

AdamUm,

AdamSo yeah, so I, I watched that. I not much point in going too into it 'cause I don't wanna spoil it in case for Chris because it'll probably come up at some point, won't it?

AdamSo.

LeeIs fun, though, I don't think it's particularly well known because even as a big fan of Vincent Price, I hadn't heard of it.

LeeUm, and we were doing a, uh, we were doing an all day Vincent Price marathon, and we invited a friend of ours who worked at HMV.

LeeAnd she turned up with two Vincent Price movies, yeah, and one of them was, um, that, and the, I can't remember what the other one was.

LeeBut yeah, but she turned up with Monster Club and we put it on.

LeeAnd I was just totally blown, I was like, how have I never seen this?

LeeAs you say, Donald Pleasance as well, and it's an anthology movie and it's all the stories are so different and it's so campy and just amazing, absolutely amazing.

AdamIt's a weird one for me because it is a, a film that I saw very early on.

LeeMm.

AdamLike and, um, yeah, it was just on the telly one night.

AdamAnd but again, the weirdest thing was is I think it was that sort of thing when there was a regular season of putting on horror films or whatever like that.

AdamAnd I think The Monster Club was part of it, and it was like, unlike everything else that were in the thing, it was like, this isn't scary.

LeeMm.

AdamAnd then it's, no, but it's hilarious.

LeeYeah.

LeeI do, I do have to skip through the songs, though.

AdamYeah, I find, I find,

LeeToo campy.

AdamI find the songs are the best point to go and get another drink, treat, or just have a poop break.

UnknownIt's a nice interval, is it?

AdamYeah.

AdamSo every so often you can go and replenish, which is good.

AdamSo, um, yeah, so I, I watched that and, uh, also watched The Vast of Night.

AdamHas anyone seen that?

LeeIt's the alien one.

AdamYes.

LeeYes, I have seen it. Uh, Dani, previous guest told me about it, what an incredible low-budget movie.

AdamI'm, I thought you would like it 'cause it was, it, it, it's quite Close Encounters, but if David Lynch had made Close Encounters rather than Steven Spielberg.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo it was all 50s and 'cause that was, it reminded me of like cross between Close Encounters and the eighth episode of Twin Peaks series three, which is the one where they just go into like a huge black and white meta story of the bomb going off in New Mexico.

LeeWe didn't get that far in.

UnknownLee wouldn't have got that far. Lee gave up.

AdamJust seriously, just as a standalone because it doesn't matter that you don't see any, but it's like it gives you the origins of Bob, essentially, but related to, um, yeah, nuclear testing in America.

UnknownOh, cool, that sounds all right. Yeah.

AdamAnd it's, but it's just really stunning. It's one of those things where you're like, uh, I can't believe this is actually on the telly.

UnknownNo.

AdamUm, but, um, yeah, but yeah, Vast of Night had, had that sort of, uh, that that end of David Lynch, like the nostalgic 50s, uh, sort of end.

AdamBut no, I thought it was just, I thought it was really good, the main guy sounded so much like Marcus Parks, it was unreal.

LeeYeah. I found him a bit diffi,

LeeI found him a bit difficult at first, he was talking so fast I was like, whoa, I'm gonna have to put subtitles on. Like he's just so so very southern and speaking so quickly, I was like, you're gonna have to slow this down.

LeeAnd again, it's all 50s dialect as well, so I was like, I don't know half of what he's saying, but yeah, it's amazing.

AdamYeah, because it's it starts off and it's very like when you watch like 30s films and they're like, so kid, what are you doing here? Well, I came around to see the fellow, he was laying, what are you doing here? Well, really, yeah. But like you say, but that with like a, a pretty heavy Texan accent and like, yeah.

AdamUm, but he, um, no, I just, I thought that was really, I just really enjoyed it.

AdamAs it was weird because there was the sound design side of it and the music side of it that I really enjoyed.

AdamI did find, I liked the, the bit at the start where it starts off and it's like it's an episode of The Twilight Zone.

LeeMm.

AdamI did find that weird that they kept going back to it every so often and I wasn't quite sure that it was ever at any point that mattered or made a significance.

AdamIn an odd way, I think they sort of bottled their exposition moments and were like sort of, this is just two people talking in a room, what are we gonna do for this bit?

AdamOh, we could go back.

AdamUm.

AdamBut that's, that was like a minor sort of quibble I would have had with it.

AdamBut.

AdamNo.

AdamEssentially, I just thought it was really well done and on that minute budget to do a successful period piece and a successful UFO.

LeeYeah.

AdamYeah, I was very sort of, um, I was very taken with it so I enjoyed that.

AdamUh, I did watch a third horror related thing but that will, that, that was, um, Birth of the Living Dead, which is the documentary about Night of the Living Dead.

AdamSo yeah.

LeeOh, and the other thing just very quickly that I loved about Vast of Night that I've just remembered.

LeeUm, because it takes plat in a, takes place in a small town, it's done on this super low budget, when they kept changing from scene to scene, and they do that thing where the camera like dropped to the floor, and then literally flew through the town to the next location.

LeeI absolutely loved that.

LeeI thought that was amazing, like it was it was just a little thing, but to get from place to place instead of just cutting from scene to scene, it literally dropped the camera and moved it to the new location.

LeeI thought it was just such a clever idea.

AdamAnd but I think because that was the other thing that I I enjoyed about it because obviously there's the bit at the start where they're having the sort of discussion that is kind of a cliche in, you know, period dramas again where it's like, um,

AdamI saw a man today and he stood up in parliament and he said a magnific, he spoke magnificently. I would say that young man might be Prime Minister one day.

AdamHis name was Winston Churchill. And they have that sort of talk about stuff where it's like self-driving cars and all stuff that is coming to pass now.

LeeYeah.

AdamAnd then they and basically she then described the smartphone than the one he dismissed.

AdamBut it was the rest of the film made me realize that that was in there because the whole thing is about that inability to communicate instantaneously at that point.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo like the, the low sort of trail bits through the town and stuff like that, it was almost like following like a, a phone signal through where because obviously, um, the, um, uh, the girl in it works in the, uh, telephone exchange.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo she's at the center of the communications but it's all so basic and so ridiculous that you're like, oh, yeah, in that situation people would be driving around in their cars asking each other what they've seen.

AdamBecause there's no way, no one's got a mobile phone, no one's got a phone in their car.

AdamIt's like, yeah, completely.

LeeDid you notice the name of the radio station as well?

AdamI did but I've forgotten what it was.

LeeIt was WOW.

LeeSo it was War of the Worlds, if I remember correctly. Yeah, that makes sense.

AdamYeah, that makes sense.

LeeSomething like it. It was something that kind of I saw it and thought, that's probably a reference.

LeeAnd as soon as I wrote the letters down and I was like, oh yeah, of course it is.

LeeYeah, I'm sure it was War of the Worlds or something like that, yeah.

AdamUm, my brain was probably going, Walk on the Wild Side.

LeeOh.

AdamBut, um, so yeah, but that's, and that's all the weather.

LeeExcellent.

UnknownJennifer.

UnknownWhat have we watched?

UnknownWell, as it's the month of October, we have been working our way through our Halloween list.

LeeWe have.

UnknownWhich keeps getting longer and there's probably just about enough days in the month to fit them all in.

LeeThere isn't.

ChrisYou both agree on what you should watch for Halloween.

UnknownUh, there's a few that Lee's put on there that he wants to watch and he'll watch them on his own 'cause I'm not that bothered.

UnknownBut the majority are ones that we're like, ooh, yeah, we both want to watch that.

UnknownSo there's enough films I think out there we both agree on.

UnknownUm, so yeah, so, uh, most recently then The Crow.

UnknownFrom 1994.

ChrisOh.

AdamWow.

UnknownOh.

UnknownYeah.

UnknownYeah, now, a classic, obviously at the time, we were all teenagers, it was the Goth, you know, fantasy film, wasn't it?

UnknownIt was, you know, everyone,

UnknownChris, wanted to dress up as Brandon Lee for Halloween.

ChrisYeah.

UnknownStill got the picture somewhere, I will not lie.

LeeOh my.

UnknownUm.

UnknownYeah, so I went into it thinking, is it gonna hold up?

UnknownBut, you know, we'll give it a go because I've been listening to the soundtrack again, which is bloody good.

AdamThe soundtrack's fucking incredible.

AdamAnd that's my favorite Cure song of all time.

UnknownYes.

LeeYeah.

LeeMine too.

UnknownWell, that's what started it was on Lee's Halloween playlist.

UnknownAnd I was like, oh my God, yeah, that's from The Crow.

UnknownAnd then I was like, right, um, yeah, let's watch it.

UnknownUm, I thought it stood up.

UnknownI think because it is a comic book, uh, you know, take off, I think it's, you know, therefore it's not sort of dated.

UnknownIt's not, 'cause it is set, you know, sort of within that fantasy world almost anyway.

AdamYes, it's a bit amorphous, it doesn't really have a, a time or place properly, really.

UnknownExactly, so I don't think any of that dated it.

UnknownUm, I'll.

ChrisI'm trying to remember the story exactly because I've probably haven't watched it since, since it came out.

ChrisSo he is, he was kind of an early anti-hero, wasn't he?

LeeYeah.

ChrisI don't remember many films or stories before that where the hero was essentially going around terrorizing people.

LeeYeah, maybe.

AdamRevenge, it's a revenge thing, though.

ChrisYeah, but I don't remember that being,

Chrisbecause he was portrayed as, you know, you really liked him.

ChrisAnd obviously felt for him.

UnknownIt was, it was fair what he was doing, you know, righteous, even though he was killing people.

LeeYeah.

AdamYeah, but it's not killing anyone who'd be missed.

UnknownNo, exactly, a bit like a soft version of Mandy.

LeeYeah.

LeeYeah, they they want him out of the, they want him out of the flat 'cause they're developing it.

LeeAnd him and his girlfriend lived there and he's a musician.

LeeSo basically they send the gang around and they kill the pair of them.

ChrisOh, yeah.

LeeBut then for whatever reason, he then comes back to life and then takes revenge on everybody in the massive gang 'cause of course there has to be enough people to keep it going for two hours.

UnknownIt's not that long.

UnknownBut yeah, I thought it was, you know, it's very dark.

UnknownVery stylized.

UnknownBut again, I think that still works now because, you know, it's not dated in any way.

UnknownUm,

UnknownYeah, I mean, you know, performances are all pretty good.

UnknownLike, yeah, Lee's got.

AdamThere's good, there's some great people in it.

LeeYeah.

AdamAnd Brandon Lee, it's definitely one of the, I mean, obviously it's tragic that he died.

AdamBut it's also the thing that it's like, you know that this would have been the launchpad for a like,

Adam10-year, like supersonic career.

LeeYeah.

UnknownAnd I think that's almost why it makes it, you know, poignant watching it because you are in the back of your mind.

UnknownYou are thinking actually his death scene in the film, he actually did die shooting it.

LeeYeah.

ChrisHe did.

LeeI.

UnknownYeah.

ChrisHe actually died shooting.

UnknownYeah, I've just been checking the, uh, info.

UnknownYeah, so there was a real bullet lodged in the should have been a blanks in the gun.

AdamNo.

AdamIt wasn't even that, it was a fragment of metal.

UnknownWell, I don't know. I thought that at the time, but that's why I just looked it up now and it does say bullet.

UnknownSo that's what made me.

AdamNo, it was.

AdamIt was a fragment of, because that's the thing.

AdamIs even, 'cause obviously a blank discharges exactly the same.

AdamIt just doesn't have a projectile with it.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo because and what you're meant to do is you're meant to clean, obviously clean the guns out.

AdamAnd ensure that, from what I gather, it was quite a party sort of, uh, set, shall we say.

UnknownHmm.

AdamAnd I think precautions were a bit lax and basically, yeah, this metal fragment, piece of casing had ended up in lodged in the gun.

AdamSo they fire the blank and essentially shot him.

LeeYeah.

LeeIt goes to show you that even a tiny fragment, not even a full, like, not even a full load from the end.

LeeA tiny fragment.

Leeis enough to kill you if it hits the wrong bits.

UnknownHits the wrong bits.

LeeAdam's like a full load now.

LeeWell, off.

UnknownSo, Claire's laughing.

UnknownShe was.

ChrisSo, don't play with guns, kids.

UnknownNo, not even with blanks.

LeeUm, so, so just to cut in on that very quickly.

LeeI didn't think it aged well at all.

UnknownYou didn't like it.

ChrisSo you,

LeeI didn't think.

ChrisHow much did you like it when you first watched it?

LeeI liked it enough that I saw it a few times.

LeeAnd I watched the, the, um, the sequel.

ChrisOkay.

UnknownDidn't remember the sequel.

LeeNo.

LeeI'll tell you what I know about the sequel, it's got death times on it.

LeeYeah.

AdamIggy Pop's one of the villains.

LeeOh, okay.

AdamAnd Jerry Sadowitz as well.

LeeI vaguely remember something.

ChrisAll right.

LeeUm.

ChrisSo you did quite like the first.

ChrisYeah, all right.

ChrisBut so what's gone wrong for you?

LeeYeah, I just, it just felt so, it felt like a film you'd love as a teenager.

LeeSo I'm not, I look back at it and go, you're an fucking idiot for ever liking this.

LeeLike when you watch some stuff you like.

ChrisMade sense at the time.

LeeDo that, I was like, yeah.

LeeI can see why teenage me thought this.

ChrisSo you feel like you've,

Chrisyou've matured.

ChrisAnd Jennifer's stuck in the past.

UnknownI think he likes enough worse films now that I'm not sure that's the way I'll go.

AdamSee, see, I think 'cause Claire was saying that she'd never seen it.

Adam'Cause we were,

AdamI don't know why.

UnknownYou'll have to watch it then.

AdamUh,

AdamBut the trouble is is I'm sort of, I'm in, I'm in both camps, essentially.

AdamI know I will fucking enjoy it and still think it's brilliant.

AdamBut I don't know someone coming to it cold.

UnknownYeah.

AdamFrom from a different time.

UnknownIt will stand up, age from will it.

UnknownIt's, it is.

UnknownI mean, it is, it's really violent.

UnknownYou know, it's like a lot of recent films, really.

UnknownIt's got the violence, it's got the darkness, you know, I mean, I don't think there's anything in it that is dated.

LeeYeah.

UnknownApart from a skateboard and there's no mobile phones, you know.

AdamI think the guy who, um, the guy who directed it also did Dark City.

UnknownOkay, yeah.

AdamAnd again, it's that same aesthetic where it's like this is a bit sort of timeless.

ChrisYeah.

AdamYeah, you know, you're not quite, I mean, obviously Dark City, it's a different kettle of fish anyway.

AdamBut it's that thing again where it's not quite a specific time.

ChrisThere was the mystery, wasn't it, where you, you didn't know, yeah, I certainly remember that being really good.

AdamDark City is brilliant.

AdamYou I think it's only the director's cut that's available these days.

AdamAnd it is good.

AdamIt's not like, you know, there it is definitely worth.

AdamThat is, if you've having watched The Crow, go and watch that I, I would recommend.

AdamBecause, yeah, you'll, A, you'll see it and also, B, you'll go, actually Dark City is a fucking good film, isn't it?

AdamAnd Richard O'Brien's in it playing a villain.

ChrisOh, right.

UnknownYeah.

UnknownAdam, you only had to start with that and I'd go, yeah.

AdamBut that's the, that's what really annoys me about that film is it, not Richard O'Brien doesn't annoy me, but what annoys me about it is that it's like it's the one thing where Richard O'Brien is specifically playing exactly the role that I think Richard O'Brien should have played in hundreds of films.

AdamEpisodes of Doctor Who, he should have been a guest on, on no, fucking Deep Space Nine or something like that.

UnknownSort of a villain, did he play that?

AdamYeah, he should just be,

Adamhe's very good at it.

UnknownHe is.

UnknownNice.

UnknownAnyway, back to Bly Manor, because, um, so the guy who did a dark song got to do two of the episodes.

AdamOh.

AdamCool.

ChrisDid Lee like those?

LeeUh, it was one of them, unfortunately, was my least favorite episode.

ChrisAh.

LeeIt's to not fair, he's directing it, like he's given a script, you know.

UnknownI think he could do what he liked, though, reading the interview with him. I think he had reasonably free reign.

UnknownBut, um, but I mean, I he did a lot of time hopping, so it was a bit confusing, but then once you got the hang of it, it was clever. You know, it was interesting, which is what Shirley TV kind of needs to be a little bit.

UnknownBut, um, but yeah, it was good.

AdamThey dressed in the narrative up a bit.

Adam'Cause obviously,

UnknownYeah, exactly, the novel.

AdamThe film they're quite linear.

UnknownYeah, no, it was, it, you know, thinking about the old, um, what was it, the Turning of the, Turning of the Screw, you know, that was a bit boring, to be honest, when we watched that.

LeeTurning of the screw.

UnknownYou know, I like the idea of it, but it was just.

LeeYou can't tell Chris that we're covering that in the next episode.

UnknownOh, are you?

UnknownOkay.

UnknownBut whereas this, you know, it's an updated version, I found it interesting.

UnknownYou know, younger generations will find it interesting.

UnknownYou know, so it keeps the horror or the story, which is the good part, doesn't it, but it livens it up.

UnknownBut, um, kind of fascinating.

UnknownThat apparently none of the set is real.

LeeWhen you walk like it it looks like a gorgeous old house.

UnknownUm, but apparently, no, it's.

ChrisThat's all CG.

LeeMust be.

LeeIt's all.

UnknownOh, you wouldn't think it at all.

LeeNo.

UnknownThere was only 'cause I was reading the interview with, um, you know, this guy who'd done some of the episodes.

UnknownUm, and we wondered, there's a lake in it, which, so.

LeeMm, come.

ChrisWhy did they do that? Was there a particular reason, just,

UnknownI think it's cheaper.

ChrisOr something to do with lockdown.

UnknownUh, no, no, this was all done before lockdown, he said.

ChrisRight, okay.

UnknownUm, and also he said that, yeah, so the lake in it, he said, you know, it was cheaper and easier, they built a whole lake than to just go and find one and shoot there.

AdamIt's probably you've got more control over it.

LeeMm.

AdamIt's like a lot of it's like with, um, Sleepy Hollow.

AdamObviously, when we covered that.

AdamNot only did they, that was like the biggest set in, in the world at the time.

AdamThey built the, the village that's in it, they built and houses and houses in it that needed to have an interior did.

UnknownOh.

AdamWow.

AdamAnd, um, the forest was filmed in the studio.

UnknownSo that was cheaper than finding a village that would fit the.

AdamYeah, but it also gives you a lot more control as well because obviously if you've got like a lake, you'd have to have proper divers in there and the safety team, whereas there's a lot more controlled.

AdamYeah.

AdamSomething that you've manufactured so you know exactly where everything is and you know.

UnknownWe could see, you could see the mist coming off it all the time.

UnknownAnd we were talking about it and I was like, I bet it's warm.

UnknownI bet they've made it so it's hot.

UnknownAnd then I was reading this interview afterwards and exactly that.

AdamYeah.

UnknownThey've made it warm so when they're doing the scenes in it, the actors, it's really cold outside.

UnknownBut actually to get in the lake is really quite pleasant.

UnknownBecause otherwise, you, as you say, you need divers.

UnknownYou need safety equipment, you'd presumably only need them in short time because then it'd be dangerous.

UnknownThey'd have to get out.

AdamYeah, you'd have they'd have to be wearing like life jacket.

AdamNot like probably wet suits and things like that underneath the costume.

UnknownYeah.

UnknownSo anyway, there we go.

LeeYeah, so the only thing I didn't like about it was that I mean the cast in it was fantastic.

LeeIt's the same as the cast from, uh, Haunting of Hill House, um, to some degree.

LeeUh, but the, the thing I didn't like about it, and again, it, so it turns out they're all, Oh, don't give it away.

LeeI'm not gonna. So although it's Turn of the Screw, it's also incorporated other stories by that same author.

LeeUm,

LeeHenry James.

AdamOh, yeah.

LeeYes.

LeeUm, but what it felt like to me was a lot of kind of, right, what's creepy? Uh, people with no faces.

LeeRight, let's put that.

LeeWhat, let's have an a time hop episode.

LeeThat's the cool thing.

LeeLet's everyone.

UnknownThey just took the best bits and put it together.

LeeIt just felt like, and again, because of the different directors, it felt tonally different each time.

UnknownI think you can do that with a series, a film would jump too much.

UnknownBut I think we take each episode almost individually.

LeeI don't know, yeah, it just it wasn't great.

LeeBut it had some really good things about it.

LeeUm,

LeeAnd the last episode was an absolute nightmare. So the eighth episode was excellent.

UnknownSo skip the last episode.

LeeThe very last episode, you need to watch the first 10 minutes, wraps up the story, and then the 50 minutes after is what happened to the characters after all the interesting shit that stopped happening.

UnknownYou didn't need it.

LeeSo it was just 45 minutes of people's boring lives after they've been involved in a haunted house. It was absolute dog shit.

LeeI was just,

AdamI'll be honest, I'll be honest, that that's that's definitely heads of the you can fuck that's guy high pile.

ChrisThat's too short.

LeeYeah, you're not missing anything.

LeeUm, on the other hand, though, so the other things that I watched.

LeeUm, I, I, I, firstly I watched Slaughterhouse Rules again.

LeeUm, I thought it can't have been as bad as I thought it was the first time, I'm gonna go back and rewatch it.

LeeUm, it was that bad and I don't know how.

LeeIt was such a shame.

LeeIt it, it should have been great and the trailer was good.

LeeUm,

LeeBut yeah, it was, it was just awful.

LeeI don't know.

LeeI don't know how that happened.

LeeUm,

LeeBut it was all right 'cause I made it all right again by watching so on demand this week, uh, Wolf of Snow Hollow has just come out.

AdamIs that the follow-up to Wolf of Wall Street?

LeeNo.

LeeUh, I've not had this much fun watching a film in a really long time.

LeeUm,

LeeSo much so, it's only an hour and 25 minutes long, I watched the first hour of it without Jennifer, decided she needed to see it, called her in, and started the whole thing again from scratch.

UnknownWow.

LeeIt's, it's absolutely.

LeeIt's a really good film.

UnknownGive it a trip.

UnknownI think that.

LeeGive it a trip.

LeeThat's what I.

UnknownIt doesn't need a big budget.

LeeNo.

UnknownBut it didn't seem low budget either.

LeeIt's beautifully shot, it's all, it's all shot out in the mountains.

LeeAnd it looks incredible.

LeeUm, the funny bits are fully like proper laugh out loud hilarious.

LeeUm,

LeeThe gory is good.

LeeUm,

LeeYeah.

LeeAnd it's got great twists and turns.

LeeAnd it's everything about it was brilliant.

LeeAnd it just, I guess I, it came out last week and I checked it on IMDb and it rocketed up to like 6.5 or something, which I know isn't super high, but, um, the amount of people that have watched it, I'm guessing.

LeeUm,

LeeBut yeah.

LeeSo I thought, you know what, for what it cost to video it on demand, I thought I'll give that a go.

LeeUm,

LeeYeah, and just had so much fun.

LeeI'm definitely gonna buy it on Blu-ray, I think, because it is a film I will go back and rewatch over and over again.

LeeBecause it's just hilar.

LeeLike I said, I watched it almost to the end and then just rewound it and started the entire thing again.

LeeBecause I enjoyed it so much.

UnknownYou didn't rewind it, honey, 'cause that's videos.

LeeIt's because it's not fucking 80s anymore.

LeeBut.

LeeBut yeah.

LeeSo watch, uh, Wolf of Snow Hollow.

LeeIt's absolutely amazing.

AdamOh.

AdamWow.

AdamYeah.

AdamUm, speaking, speaking of, um,

LeeSorry.

AdamUh, just before we crack into the main feature.

AdamUh, speaking of Nick Frost and Simon Pegg, because that's Slaughterhouse Rules, isn't it?

LeeYes, yeah.

AdamUm, there, the new show that, uh, they're in has just, uh, has started.

AdamI think it's, I think it's on Prime, actually.

LeeOh.

AdamIs it?

LeeI thought it came out on Halloween.

AdamNo, I think I, I think it came out yesterday, possibly.

LeeOh, excellent.

AdamWhen we're recording this, um, I've not had a chance.

AdamBut I just, I assume you've not either, then.

LeeI only just found out it was a series.

LeeI watched the trailer and was convinced it was a movie. It was only when I checked it on IMDb to see when it came out.

LeeYeah, I actually found out that it isn't, it's, it's a, it's a series.

LeeSo, so that's good 'cause that means we'll get more of it, effectively.

LeeUm,

LeeBut yeah, I didn't realize.

AdamYeah.

AdamNo, I think it's, um, I'm definitely, I mean, I'm definitely gonna give it a whirl.

LeeOh, they are.

AdamYeah.

AdamFrom from what I gather from the trailer, I don't think, I don't know if Simon Pegg's gonna be,

AdamI don't think they're in it together a lot.

LeeNo.

AdamSo but I think, I mean Nick Frost is fucking great anyway.

AdamSo, is this Truth Seekers?

ChrisIs this Truth Seekers?

AdamThat's the one.

ChrisMm.

ChrisIt says here.

ChrisIt's coming 30th of October.

AdamI'm a fucking idiot, then.

LeeNo.

AdamSo.

LeeI say that's the reason I realized it was a series.

LeeIt's 'cause I checked it just a couple of days ago and saw that it was a series. Yeah, and I thought it said, but again, I know they sometimes move these dates and things, so.

AdamNo.

AdamThey I'm, I'm probably very wrong.

LeeYeah.

AdamSo.

AdamGood thing I.

ChrisGhost hunting YouTube channel.

AdamHey.

ChrisIt says here, they embark upon creating a ghost hunting YouTube channel.

LeeIt's worth watching the trailer. It looks like it's good.

AdamIt does.

LeeIt does.

LeeAs Adam said, it looks like it's more Nick Frost and Simon Pegg, perhaps.

ChrisYeah, yeah.

AdamBut these days that's no bad thing.

UnknownYeah.

AdamSo.

AdamWell.

AdamYeah.

AdamI'd imagine he's, I'd imagine he's watched it.

AdamAnd it's just.

AdamAnd it's just glazed over like every other fucking thing.

AdamBut, um, but yeah.

AdamAnd so it's weird because George Romero kind of recreates zombies.

AdamAnd what they are now and he kind of recreates horror because it becomes much more realistic.

AdamAnd it's.

AdamYeah.

AdamWe just thought.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd so I think, I think that's also the thing.

AdamLike you say.

AdamYou hadn't watched this.

AdamAnd I haven't watched a lot of zombie stuff because I was, I was in the same thing with yourself.

AdamWhereas it's like, it's quite, you know, you could read Room Mogue or Dark Side magazine.

AdamAnd it would be sort of like, right, here's the, here's the horror releases for this month.

AdamAnd it's like, two that look interesting and 16 zombie films that I am never gonna fucking bother with.

AdamAnd it's funny 'cause it's funny because they they'd worked so well for, for, for comedy horror.

AdamI mean, look at Sean of the Dead, look at Fiido.

AdamUh, yeah, um, Dead Set.

AdamYeah, I mean, I, I mean even, even, I mean, as they go on, I mean, certainly Dawn of the Dead is genuinely as funny.

AdamThat does have funny stuff in there.

AdamYeah.

AdamLet's try that.

AdamI mean, I think in Sean of the Dead there is a bit where.

AdamYou know at the end.

AdamWhen it's sort of it's lifted up and there's sort of coming out of.

AdamThey're coming out of lockdown.

AdamThere's zombie lockdown.

AdamAt the end of Sean of the Dead.

AdamAnd there's a bit where they they they and a news reporter saying, um, uh, scientists initial theories about the returning of.

AdamThe uh the cause being the return of a satellite have been proved to be bollocks, then they cut bollocks out.

AdamUm, so and in later ones like in,

Adamwhat is it in, uh, Living Dead at the Manchester Mall.

AdamIt's a machine, it's a, an agricultural machine for, uh, getting rid of pests that sets them off.

AdamIn and then in other ones it's, uh,

AdamI think like Zombie Flesh Eaters goes back and does it as sort of, uh,

Adamalmost like takes it back into voodoo.

AdamAnd but again, they like later on in the films they like George Romero just never mentions that ever again.

AdamBecause it's.

AdamNo, I think that's probably shit.

AdamI suppose at the time,

Adamyou know, radiation was a newer thing.

AdamYou got the nuclear, well, it's that classic thing of like in the 50s where you have all the giant ant pictures.

AdamLike giant ant movies and like them and sort of it's, yeah, again it's that thing of we don't know what this does.

AdamIt could do anything.

AdamMuch in the same way as it it creates hundreds of superheroes rather than just making their hair fall out and they're thick.

AdamBut, um,

Adambut yeah.

AdamAnd so it's weird because George Romero kind of recreates zombies and what they are now.

AdamAnd he kind of recreates horror because it becomes much more realistic.

AdamAnd it's I don't know if it's the.

AdamI think it's also the weird thing of like you say it's an older film.

AdamYou turn it on, it's black and white.

AdamIt starts with that lot.

AdamBecause all the music in it is library music because obviously they didn't have much money.

AdamUm.

AdamBut it's.

AdamOh, it's wonderfully used.

AdamBut it's a, it's very, there's some lovely dissonant stuff but that opening where it's just, that's, you know, that's obvious horror movie music.

AdamAnd so I think you're kind of it lulls you into that sense of it's like, oh well this is an older film.

AdamAnd it's like, oh no, this is like, it's like when you watch Psycho.

AdamYou get that similar sort of thing of it's like, oh no, this is actually like, this is, this is modern.

AdamYeah.

AdamYou know.

AdamI don't know if I don't know if it's the, I think it's also the weird thing of like you say it's an older film.

AdamYou turn it on, it's black and white.

AdamIt starts with that lot.

AdamBecause all the music in it is library music.

AdamBecause obviously they didn't have much money.

AdamUm.

AdamBut it's.

AdamOh, it's wonderfully used.

AdamBut it's a, it's very, there's some lovely dissonant stuff but that opening where it's just, that's, you know, that's obvious horror movie music.

AdamAnd so I think you're kind of it lulls you into that sense of it's like, oh well this is an older film.

AdamAnd it's like, oh no, this is like, it's like when you watch Psycho.

AdamYou get that similar sort of thing of it's like, oh no, this is actually like, this is, this is modern.

AdamYeah.

AdamYou know.

AdamI mean, I know George Romero said later on or like in later life, he was like, maybe we should have altered the script in that sense.

AdamBut I think they almost like, they almost like the opposite where they were like,

AdamOur film's quite pissed off with the world.

AdamAnd you know, I think we might be, I think we might be in sort of, uh, I think we might be in the same, uh, mind frame that a lot of people will be in at the moment.

AdamAnd, and so,

Adamso obviously.

AdamLike I say, that parallels Halloween, unfortunately, they didn't make the same good deals that Deborah Hill and John Carpenter did.

AdamUm, the farmhouse, um, was, uh, the owner of it was gonna demolish it.

AdamSo.

AdamHe just let them use it.

AdamAnd apparently when he said to George Romero that they were gonna demolish it.

AdamUh George Romero just went, well, you've come to the right people then.

AdamAnd, um, so they could just do what they wanted with it. And actually, what they had to do is they had to go in and again a bit like Halloween.

AdamThey had to go in and clean it up to make it look like someone lived there.

AdamYeah.

AdamBecause it was just like, an old.

AdamLike on this farmer's property.

AdamAnd, um, which kind of mirrors what happened with Evil Dead where they found the, uh, they had the cabin and it was like kind of you can do as you will with it and everything.

AdamAnd also like a bit like Evil Dead, they shot everything in the farmhouse but the basement was, uh, the sound studios in the basement.

AdamOh, really?

AdamYeah.

AdamBecause the building itself didn't have a basement, so like the farmhouse itself didn't have a basement.

AdamWhich again,

Adamwas like Evil Dead where they did have the cabin but they didn't have the.

AdamIt just didn't have a, a basement at all.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd that kind of.

AdamYeah.

AdamWe're done.

AdamSorry.

AdamGeorge Romero.

AdamAnd the co-writer and the production designer.

AdamLived in the farmhouse while they were filming.

AdamSo they they never left the set.

AdamWow.

AdamAnd and again, a lot of it was like him saying about.

AdamYou know like George Romero saying about how much goodwill that they had.

AdamLike the police like the local police like sent a couple of cars down and their dogs.

AdamSo they could get like those shots of like when they're going across the fields with the dogs and everything.

AdamAnd that was just like.

AdamAnd even the sound design, the like the sound design and everything else like that.

AdamThey couldn't afford to get the sound design done.

AdamSo John.

AdamUh, John Russo, who was the co-writer.

AdamUm, challenged the, uh, challenged the sound production guy to a game of chess.

AdamAnd they got and won.

AdamAnd that's how they got the sound designer.

AdamHe won the sound design in a game of chess.

AdamAnd it was like.

AdamYou know, just so many, again it's that thing that seems to crop up where everyone really pulled together.

AdamHad a great time and, you know, everyone was just enjoying themselves.

AdamTo to an extent within the bounds of the fact that you're on a low-budget shoot and there's no running water on the set and stuff like that.

AdamBut.

AdamBut basically, yeah, it's again that thing of everyone has a fun time on set so you make a really good bleak horror film.

Adam'Cause it always seems to be it's the same thing that was all the best comedies.

AdamEveryone wanted to top themselves while they were making them and similarly all the best horror films everyone had a fucking ball.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd I mean, of the cast, like I say, I mean, the majority was just.

Adam28 members of the cast, this is the only film on IMDb.

AdamYeah.

AdamLike this is their only acting role.

AdamAnd it was just like, you know, people they knew and friends and family.

AdamAnd it doesn't.

AdamIt doesn't feel like that.

AdamLike sometimes we've super low budget indie stuff.

AdamIt feels like like if you stuck a camera on us.

AdamAnd you you know.

AdamYou didn't quite know what to say.

AdamBut this film, everybody in it feels solid.

AdamThere's nobody in it who's really like.

AdamNo.

AdamI mean you.

AdamNo, I know what you mean.

AdamAll the you know, coppers, presuming the zombies.

AdamJust go at zombie.

AdamHow hard can that be?

AdamNo.

AdamThey all just kind of.

AdamNo.

AdamAnd I mean of the cast, like I say, I mean, the majority were just.

Adam28 members of the cast, this is the only film on IMDb.

AdamYeah.

AdamLike this is their only acting role.

AdamAnd it was just like, you know, people they knew and friends and family.

AdamAnd it doesn't.

AdamIt doesn't feel like that.

AdamLike sometimes we've super low budget indie stuff.

AdamIt feels like like if you stuck a camera on us.

AdamAnd you you know.

AdamYou didn't quite know what to say.

AdamBut this film, everybody in it feels solid.

AdamThere's nobody in it who's really like.

AdamNo.

AdamI mean you.

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