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0:23 Unknown Good evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:28 Chris Are you sure?

0:30 Lee You can't see this listeners, but Adam is wearing a rather wacky mask for this evening for no reason.

0:37 Lee that he wasn't wearing two minutes ago when we all joined.

0:40 Chris How how does it look this evil and this manic? It's like perfect blend.

0:49 Adam Oh dear.

0:49 Adam Well, I I I apologize to the listeners that it's a it's an audio medium that they can't fully appreciate my.

0:58 Adam my my mask.

1:01 Chris I think I think you'll have to post that.

1:03 Lee Yeah.

1:04 Lee grab a screenshot of it.

1:07 Lee so yes, we are here this evening for another what we've been watching episode.

0:13 Lee and as it is the week running up to Halloween, I'm hoping we've all got plenty to discuss.

0:23 Lee There's loads of there's been some great new stuff out there as well, I've caught some very old and some very new stuff.

0:28 Lee So, yes.

0:31 Lee so, let's start with Adam this week. What have you been watching?

0:36 Adam Well, I'm gonna start off with, more of a thank you.

0:40 Adam and an adventure, to Andy Sharp, aka English Heretic, who invited me to his book launch.

0:51 Adam in London.

0:52 Adam And Lee, you were very graciously my plus one.

0:55 Lee I was indeed.

0:56 Adam Oh, I can't I'm gonna have to take the mask off.

0:58 Adam It's just impossible.

3:24 Adam Yeah, I should.

3:26 Chris Who saw that twist?

3:28 Lee For the benefit of the audio listeners, Adam has removed the mask, only to show that he is wearing another mask underneath.

3:36 Adam That's right.

3:39 Adam Again, imagine this on a video, but who can tell?

3:44 Chris Have you have you ever done that to a to a fancy dress party?

3:48 Adam I've not been feeling the temptation.

3:52 Adam I'm I'm even getting in my brain, I'm getting to the point of, oh dear, I'm getting to the point of layers.

3:59 Chris Oh.

3:59 Adam Like you could something a costume you could gradually sort of shift and go back to, you know.

4:06 Adam I suppose if you went to its logical conclusion it would be like the last costumes just you skinned.

4:12 Chris Yeah.

4:14 Adam Oh dear.

4:14 Chris Right, yeah, now you're really thinking, I think you have to do this.

4:19 Adam Well, I've got over a year to plan it if it were to happen, there we go. but yes, so, yeah, so as I was saying, yeah, English Heretic, Andy Sharp, he invited me to the launch of his book, The Astral Geographic. And Lee came with me, and, yeah, it was just a nice little weird little venue under a church.

5:23 Lee It was awesome.

5:24 Adam An absolutely bar under a church, basically, a cocktail bar.

5:27 Adam And, which was just very fucking cool, unfortunately, prohibitively expensive, so you couldn't get like absolutely wankered because the cocktails were fucking gorgeous.

5:42 Lee They were but they were very strong.

5:44 Lee I was gonna say that's the other thing as well.

5:45 Lee Yeah, we did sort of have two cocktails and I know I've been off the booze quite a lot because I've been watching my weight recently.

5:51 Lee But yeah, so I had a beer while I was waiting for Adam, in a pub across the road, yeah, and then we had two cocktails in and by the time we left, I was like, I'm pretty comfortably pissed at this point, so, yeah.

6:44 Adam Yeah, same.

6:45 Adam It was yeah, healthy, healthy cocktails, you know.

6:49 Adam in the least applicable use of that word thinking about it, but there we go.

6:55 Adam but yeah, and the book is, so English Heretics like a a project that Andy Sharp's been doing for years and I've been following that for I've no, I think it was like his third album that I heard and was just sold and yeah, just kept like listening and he's released books.

7:17 Adam what he used to do was, that when the albums came out, they would come with like a booklet or a Zene of and it was like sort of writing about the concept of the album, but it was more of that.

7:33 Adam and yeah, he has just a really brilliant way of thinking.

7:38 Adam And, this new book is basically a travel guide through occult history. Oh, okay.

8:25 Adam So it's, yeah, basically it's all the places to visit in terms of, for example, like witchcraft, it charts Crowley's progress through the desert, and when, he did his great working and yeah, just lots of,

8:47 Adam really interesting places and annoyingly this is like I've been reading a lot of books lately and seeing a lot of documentaries lately and they've been like, oh, I'll jot that film down, I've got to see that, I've jot that. This is ten times that because it's like, I can't afford to buy these 50 DVDs. I can't But this is I genuinely cannot afford to cross the world and see all these places, but I really want to, but he does it in such a way that I don't feel I have to.

9:19 Adam Yeah.

9:20 Adam He's a very evocative writer.

9:23 Adam And I haven't got that, I haven't got to the end of it, but there's also like part of the book is like a sort of grim wall like a sort of how to of basic magic sort of thing, but.

9:34 Adam Yeah, but but but just yeah, thank you for inviting me, Andy.

9:39 Adam And for inviting us, Andy and, it was yeah, it was a great night.

9:43 Adam And I I think there's a certain listenership of this podcast I think would enjoy his stuff anyway.

9:54 Adam And yeah.

9:55 Lee 100%.

9:56 Lee I say I obviously I Adam invited me as a plus one, I wasn't aware of Andy's work before this.

10:05 Lee Adam very graciously got me a copy of the book, cheeky Christmas present in advance there.

10:09 Lee but yeah, I can't wait to get stuck into it.

10:12 Lee Because it was like hearing him talk, he was so passionate and so so knowledgeable on everything.

10:19 Lee yeah.

10:21 Lee But yeah.

10:22 Lee It was just his way of speaking as well.

10:22 Lee So yeah, I can't wait to to get cracking through it.

10:24 Lee I've I've got another book, I've got like a chapter left of and that is the next thing on my queue, so, fingers crossed to it soon.

10:29 Lee Yeah, next.

10:31 Adam I think I I think Andy would also appreciate this.

10:33 Adam Because I'd never met Andy before, like spoken to him online and emailed him before and stuff.

10:40 Adam But, yeah, so me and Lee also went with the expectation it might be like the opening of Vault of Horror.

10:48 Adam that we were just going to a vampire bar where they'd string me upside down and put like a tap in it.

10:55 Adam Oh, right.

10:56 Adam And, yeah, it turned out to not be that, it was just a very lovely convivial evening.

11:00 Adam And it was nice, nice to meet Andy and yeah.

11:04 Adam Thank you again, mate.

11:05 Adam It was just great talking.

11:06 Adam And yeah.

11:08 Adam A fantastic evening and yeah, check out the book and English Heretic in general.

11:14 Lee Yeah.

11:15 Lee 100% behind that now I've discovered it as well.

11:17 Lee And again, it's that thing of because I've come to it late, there's a whole plethora of stuff for me to go back through now.

11:22 Lee So there's music and books and loads of stuff.

11:25 Lee So yeah, I can't wait to get stuck in.

11:28 Lee Oh.

11:30 Lee Chris.

11:33 Chris So I have watched again and I so I'm not sure if I've spoke about it, but I don't think I did.

0:07 Chris it's Ex Machina.

0:09 Chris Which is Alex Garland and Yeah.

0:14 Lee yeah.

0:15 Chris But I talked about Dev's once and I think I mentioned Ex Machina there.

0:17 Chris But so I saw it, it popped up, I thought, I'm going to watch that again.

0:21 Chris And I think it's so it's funny, right, we watched, we watched Donnie Darko.

0:27 Chris Which I didn't think of as a sci-fi film and I watched this before and didn't think of this as a horror film and yet now I'm going to say that this is in definitely in my top 10 horror films.

0:35 Chris Because it absolutely is and I still think they capture something in this about AI and especially with the way that AI is going now.

0:43 Chris Because if you if you go and hang out with one camp of people, we're all going to be, you know, wiped out in the next few years.

0:50 Chris Going to talk to another group of people.

0:51 Chris And it's going to be the best thing that ever happened to us.

0:53 Chris Well, who knows, but that sort of sets the stage for quite a potentially horrific situation.

0:59 Chris yeah.

0:59 Adam The only thing the thing that that that whole argument AI argument is something that I've watched and seen.

1:04 Adam Like all sides of a lot of sides of like you say, there does seem to be two distinct camps.

1:13 Chris Yeah.

1:14 Chris They're both making good arguments generally.

1:16 Adam All I will say is the fact that Elon Musk is doom saying about it, I feel probably positive.

1:22 Chris Right.

1:22 Chris Well, so yeah, but so here's the thing, so he's doom saying and he got what did he do he's signed the letter to say stop doing it and then very quickly went out and bought a ton of the equipment required to make some of the best AI.

1:38 Chris So it's like, yeah, okay, telling others not to do it, but you you're going.

1:43 Adam So either it's building monopoly.

1:46 Chris Oh.

1:47 Adam Or so, yeah, but no, all my thoughts were it's just like, are the computers going to take a look at this and just go, hang on.

1:55 Adam This is bollocks.

1:58 Adam You know, what's dead kitties and stuff and he's got like more money than anyone conceivably needs.

2:08 Adam And yeah, I think that might be his problem with.

2:11 Lee He's just worried they're gonna rumble him.

2:13 Adam Yeah, I think I is just going to.

2:15 Adam Because eventually the whole thing the the utopian vision is that it becomes like this impassioned overseer.

2:22 Adam That sort of but yeah, but who's thoughts does it think, you know.

2:26 Adam It's.

2:27 Adam I mean, especially I was listening to something the other day and they said that it was, the when they first constructed the AI.

2:35 Adam sort of model of taking everything from the internet and using that to construct.

2:42 Chris Do you mean large language model chat GPT.

2:45 Adam Yeah.

2:45 Adam And the first thing that it did, because it was the internet, the first thing it did was it just churned out loads of porn.

2:53 Adam Because it was like, well, what does the internet made of and it's like, yeah, pretty much that's the bricks and of the internet.

3:01 Chris Yeah.

3:02 Chris How to create a great civilization.

3:04 Adam Yeah.

3:06 Chris right yeah, so, so I will just give a few points as to why I think this is one of the greatest horror sci-fi.

3:12 Adam Can you please bear in mind that I've not seen it?

3:16 Chris Okay, yeah, all right.

3:18 Chris I was trying to think Yeah, I was trying to be careful not to.

3:22 Chris All right, so so I'll give you very broad view then.

3:26 Chris So I think it's an amazing psychological horror from pretty much from the start all the way through.

3:32 Chris I mean Lee, I don't know what you think of it, but I'm assuming you've seen it as you didn't say.

3:35 Lee I have seen it.

3:37 Lee I do remember enjoying it, but I saw it when it first come out and I haven't seen it again since.

3:41 Lee So that was it was a long time ago, but yeah, it was it was it was impressive with it at the time.

3:46 Adam Was it 2009 or something like that?

3:48 Adam It's quite.

3:49 Chris Yeah.

3:50 Adam It's quite a long time ago now.

3:52 Chris I'm going to say I've not got too many of the details, but it has got Oscar Isaacson who I totally did not know at the time and now looking back again seeing him after seeing him in Star Wars.

4:02 Chris Like I sort of appreciate him in a different way in this.

4:05 Chris But yeah, right, so, so I think it really captures.

4:07 Chris This psychological horror throughout, you don't really.

4:10 Lee It was 2014.

4:12 Chris 2014.

4:13 Chris like you don't really know who to trust at all.

4:17 Chris None of essentially is yeah, you are left with a bit of a mystery throughout.

4:20 Chris And I think the way that unfolds it can kind of keep going either way and so it's yeah, I just think they did that excellently.

4:29 Chris Considering there's only three essentially three characters.

4:32 Chris

4:33 Chris The the settings it's very it's like isolation and entrapment, it's, you know, there's essentially in the middle of nowhere.

4:41 Chris

4:44 Chris So that and that made me think of Alien as well.

4:47 Chris

4:48 Chris There's a huge amount of manipulation and deception throughout.

4:52 Chris Again, trying to understand what each of their agendas are, it's it's quite fascinating.

4:56 Chris

4:56 Chris And and just overall, I think the whole with the music, the atmosphere, everything about it.

5:01 Chris It just it.

5:02 Chris For me, it's a great pacing, it's slow enough and it gets technical enough to allow you to really think about the profundity of AI and especially with what's happened over the past year, as we said with Chat GPT.

5:13 Chris

5:14 Chris But yeah, and the the moments of action really help to, yeah, just keep the pacing going.

5:20 Chris So it's I absolutely recommend you go and watch it.

5:23 Adam Well, I've I've had the soundtrack since it came out and the soundtrack is brilliant.

5:29 Chris Yeah.

5:30 Chris Yeah, I mean, I guess it's mostly kind of soundscapes like eerie, chilling.

5:33 Chris Yeah.

5:36 Adam It'd be nice to put pictures to those sounds actually now thinking about it there now.

5:41 Chris But go on, go on.

5:42 Chris So what what has put you off?

5:44 Adam Nothing.

5:45 Adam Literally, it's just been never the right time or right circumstances or whatever like that.

5:52 Adam I haven't it's always like, oh, I'll get that and then I see something else.

5:56 Adam I'll get that or whatever.

5:58 Adam Do you know what I mean?

5:59 Adam Or it'll be on streaming, but then I see something else has popped up and I was like, oh, it's never been.

6:06 Chris Okay.

6:06 Chris Well, I'll be very interested to see what you think.

6:09 Adam Yeah, I'm going to have to force myself to do it.

6:11 Adam I think because it is and because it's Alex Garland as well because it was the.

6:16 Chris Yeah, yeah.

6:16 Chris So, so I did in fact, between this and last time I watched men as well and I was going to put that on.

6:22 Chris But then I think that's what actually made me when I saw Ex Machina.

6:25 Chris I was like, oh, I'm going to watch that again.

6:26 Chris And so men I'm going to cover at one point, but I know you covered that before.

6:32 Adam I think, I mean, yeah, we'll we'll do that on a separate one.

0:40 Adam Because yeah, that is a fucking crazy fucking film.

0:49 Chris Yeah, it certainly is.

0:53 Chris So yeah, so Alex Garland is doing great stuff, I think.

0:59 Lee Excellent.

1:00 Lee Cool, yeah, I might have to give that a rewatch myself then and then we can discuss it.

1:04 Lee so I have gone back and watched something very old, this was, I believe, this might have been Lou Dall recommended this a while back when we were talking about folk horror.

1:14 Lee so I went back and watched 1977's Children of the Stones.

1:20 Adam Yes.

1:22 Lee yeah, I watched the whole thing in over two nights.

1:27 Lee it's all on YouTube like in its entirety.

1:30 Lee

1:31 Lee Yeah.

1:32 Lee I'll tell you what.

1:32 Lee That's right, so I think it was Loudow mentioned it before and then I was watching the Call Dudes Walking Club recently.

1:42 Lee and yeah, he mentioned, oh, I I watched it during lockdown.

1:48 Lee I'd never seen it before, it's really good, it really holds up, you know.

1:50 Lee It's a a kids kids piece of kids TV show from the seventies.

1:55 Lee It actually it's still quite yeah.

1:57 Lee And I watched it and it is it's really creepy and really strange.

2:03 Adam Oh, no, it's it's fucking amazing.

2:04 Adam It's and it is proper folk horror.

2:08 Lee Yeah, 100%.

2:10 Adam But it's, yeah, you can it's for kids, but it just it's it's a wonderful example of it's like, yeah, it's for kids, but we're not holding back, we're going to actually make it a good fucking show.

2:21 Lee Yeah.

2:22 Lee it's just I know yeah, I loved it.

2:24 Lee It's got that very cozy obviously it's before our era, so we wouldn't have seen it at the time.

2:31 Lee

2:32 Chris Yeah, so it is PG, yeah.

2:34 Lee Yeah.

2:35 Chris But so there are there are bits that are.

2:38 Lee It it's not.

2:40 Adam I think it's it's aimed at a an older kid kid audience that I that I think telly doesn't think is there anymore or possibly isn't there anymore, but it's aimed at like sort of like a sort of 12 to 16 sort of age group, I suppose.

2:52 Lee Yeah.

2:53 Chris I suppose a lot of them are watching YouTube now.

2:55 Adam Yeah, that's what I mean, so I think he's a is a thing that doesn't exist anymore.

2:59 Chris Possibly.

3:00 Adam in television terms, but that's who it was aimed at.

3:03 Adam Yeah.

3:03 Adam And.

3:05 Adam yeah, so it is it's it's just a really well done.

3:10 Adam really well thought out, horror.

3:15 Adam that sort of borders into science fiction.

3:18 Adam It's, it's got that isolation thing they basically go off to a

3:25 Adam It's a father and son go to a village with a stone circle in it.

3:30 Chris Oh.

3:31 Adam And it's sort of like them picking up there he's an astrophysicist, isn't he? and he's like.

3:36 Lee He is, yeah, he's there to study the stones because he believes that it's.

3:39 Lee some kind of a magnetic field that's created by them.

3:41 Lee So he's there.

3:42 Chris So this is a bit like Stone Stone Tape.

3:43 Lee Yeah, well, that's when I first I think it was when we covered Stone Tape that someone said, oh, you need to watch children and stuff.

3:48 Chris Okay.

3:48 Lee I said it might I think it was Loudow, it might have been Joe Watson otherwise, but yeah, I'm sure one of them said.

3:53 Adam I'm sure Loudow spoke about it.

3:55 Adam I think I think even I think they even mentioned it at the Astra Geographic which was like on the list of yeah, sort of things that are sort of brought it brought the occult into it.

4:05 Adam And it's,

4:07 Adam Yeah, it's just it was one of those things I saw it, I don't know, I first saw it about ten years ago or something like that because it was one of those ones you read about a lot.

4:17 Adam Especially because like being a Dr Who fan, so you you get a lot more that sort of because again Dr Who's like aimed at kids family sort of age group, like it's meant to be that the family can watch it and similarly children of the stones was sort of like kid friendly.

4:29 Adam But only in the sense of well, no one got their face hacked off or say shit, you know, it's.

4:36 Lee But it is sinister as all hell.

4:39 Chris Okay.

4:39 Lee it's also shot at Ary.

4:41 Lee Do you remember to Ary, Chris, for a weekend?

4:43 Chris Yeah.

4:44 Lee We did.

4:44 Chris Yeah, that's right.

4:45 Lee So they've renamed the village, but ultimately it is Ary, so that's the stone circle they use and the pub that we had dinner in that's in the center of the stone circle, that's in there and the little shop across the street.

4:58 Lee So they did just take over Ary and filmed this little horrifically sinister folk horror thing.

5:01 Lee It was awesome, such a good couple of nights.

5:03 Lee yeah.

5:04 Lee Again, it's one of those.

5:05 Lee People have been telling me to watch it.

5:07 Lee I you know, friend of our Simon as well, keeps mentioning it now and again, it was him who sent me the link.

5:14 Lee When we were discussing it one night.

5:15 Lee He just sent me the link and said, look, you need.

5:17 Lee And it's been sitting in my email for about 18 months and I was like, right, I'm going to pull the trigger on this.

5:21 Lee And I'm going to watch it.

5:21 Lee And I was like, oh, I could have been rewatching this by now and I would have been much happier.

5:26 Lee But yeah.

5:26 Adam See again, it's it I think it falls into that sort of area that the Box of Delight does.

5:33 Adam I know it's like it's 10 years later on or whatever it is.

5:35 Adam But it's that same because I know you've got I know you love the Box of Delights which is the sort of 80s.

5:39 Lee They do.

5:40 Lee And in fact, I'm going to give it a quick plug, Oxford, I believe,

5:46 Lee a friend of Lady Jennifer's is working on the production team, there's a stage show of the Box of Delights that we've got tickets to go and see and I think it's in Oxford.

5:51 Chris Oh, wow.

5:52 Lee but yeah, and I thought they'd make a fantastic stage show.

5:55 Lee So yeah, just on a side note, if you're in or around Oxford, I mean, double check my facts because I could be wrong.

6:00 Lee But I think it's somewhere around there, but yeah, there is definitely a stage production of the Box of Delights being put on and it looks like it's going to be excellent.

6:06 Lee And I'm going.

6:08 Adam Very nice.

6:11 Lee right.

6:12 Lee Back to Adam.

6:14 Adam I'm going to stick with, creepy and 70s and I'm going to talk about Messiah of Evil, which has just come out on Blu-ray.

6:21 Adam Oh.

6:22 Adam it's a film that I'd heard a lot about, but never in the sense of, you know, famous scenes or anything, it was just people talking about the atmosphere and everything else about it.

6:33 Adam And finally got the chance to, finally got the chance to see it because they've released it on Blu-ray.

6:40 Adam And, my God, it is the most Italian film made in America that I've ever seen, it it feels it's got that sort of Lucio Fulci, Mario Bava sort of like I I can't even explain it.

6:58 Adam It's just it feels like it it definitely feels like Dario Argento made the film.

7:02 Adam But everyone's no one's dubbed, people are actually genuinely speaking English and it was filmed in America and yeah.

7:09 Adam It's just but it just feels.

7:12 Chris That whole aesthetic has that sort of edge to it.

7:14 Adam And it's a very strange film.

7:18 Adam It's basically this woman goes to.

7:19 Chris It looks like the color is quite significant.

7:21 Adam Oh, yeah, no.

7:22 Adam basically a woman goes looking for her father, it's an artist who's gone missing and she goes, I mean, that's just the most it's not even a big point, but she stays at this house.

7:34 Adam But because he's an artist, the house is fucking mental, but it's not actually it's kind of it's an atmospheric point rather than a plot point, but he's got like a a bed suspended on chains that's like a white marble block suspended on chains in the middle of the room.

7:49 Adam And he's painted all the walls with huge freezes of like murals of scary people staring at you out of windows and things like that.

7:53 Adam And so it's like it's just fucking it just it just looks mental.

7:55 Adam And then sort of weird things start happening in the town that are never never explained even to the point that I'm not sure whether they were cannibals, vampires or zombies, I don't know.

8:04 Adam but the film didn't tell me.

8:07 Adam But with some weird influence like some weird past dark presence that sort of afflicted the town before and this has happened before and.

8:16 Adam and also two of the eeriest kills I've seen in something for a while just because there's two of I sort there's watching them that gives you the the full effect, obviously.

8:27 Adam But there's one bit where there's a girl who's gone into a cinema.

8:31 Adam And gradually behind her, the entire seat gets filled up by people from the town.

8:35 Adam Who are all just sort of sitting there staring at her, but she's just unaware because she's watching the film.

8:41 Adam So.

8:42 Adam And it's like.

8:43 Adam It's like The Birds.

8:44 Adam You know.

8:45 Adam When she's sitting there at the on the park bench and.

8:46 Lee Oh, yeah, they just.

8:48 Adam It's like that, they keep doing a close-up on her and then he pan out and there's like, there's now 15 people behind her.

8:53 Adam And now there's and more people coming in the whole time and it's just like.

8:58 Adam Yeah, it just leaves you in a sort of odd space because it's like, oh, that's exactly how I'd react in that situation.

9:03 Adam Only that situation has never been presented to my brain before.

9:07 Adam But I know exactly how terrifying that is.

9:09 Adam

9:11 Adam Yeah, so I mean it's it's it's not a, you know, I.

9:17 Adam It's definitely style over substance, so it's very Italian horror in that like 70s Italian horror in that sense.

9:20 Adam

9:22 Adam But like I say, I enjoyed I enjoyed the the sort of just outright strangeness of it.

9:26 Adam Especially because it was quite, no, no, we're not going to explain that.

9:30 Adam He just eats mice.

9:31 Adam All right.

9:34 Adam And.

9:34 Adam yeah, it's a yeah, I I it's definitely something I'm coming back to because I think it's going to sit in my lodged in my brain.

9:43 Adam I watched it about four days ago or whatever it was.

9:46 Adam And yeah, it's got the right elements.

9:48 Adam all the scenes I'm like, I just want to see that again because that just looked great, but yeah.

9:54 Adam So.

9:56 Adam definitely definitely a recommend, but it's,

9:59 Adam I I don't think slowburn is the term just from the base.

10:03 Chris It's a certain taste.

10:05 Adam Yeah, yeah.

10:07 Lee Okay, excellent, cool.

10:09 Lee Chris.

10:11 Chris Okay, so I've watched, I think it came out recently on Netflix.

10:17 Chris it's A24's.

10:21 Chris It's directed by the Philippa Brothers, Danny and Michael.

10:24 Chris And it is called Talk to Me.

10:27 Adam

10:30 Chris Now, I thought.

10:31 Lee It's popped up, I've not watched it.

10:32 Chris No, well, so, so I think it.

10:34 Chris I think I saw it in a list of A24's best horrors.

10:37 Chris So I thought, all right, I'll give it a go.

10:39 Chris No, I would say, it's not typically one that I would have rushed to watch.

10:44 Chris but it sounds like,

10:48 Chris These brothers used to have a YouTube channel and this is their first, horror film.

10:53 Chris And yeah.

10:56 Adam Oh, yes, yeah.

10:59 Chris So, so essentially, so it's, you kind of find out pretty quickly, it's all about this ceramic hand that, if you hold on to it and say talk to me, then you see a lost soul essentially.

11:08 Chris And it follows mostly follows this girl who is the, I think the second anniversary of her mother's death and she kind of becomes a bit obsessed with it.

11:17 Chris I won't say more than that that's, you know, that is sort of the premise.

11:21 Chris And, yeah, I like it.

11:25 Chris There's a few jump scares.

11:27 Chris It's, it's quite interesting, the characters are pretty good.

11:29 Chris I enjoyed it, but yeah, I don't tend to rush at these sort of ones.

11:32 Chris where it's,

11:36 Chris I don't know, I suppose I suppose as it went on it seemed to have there was more depth.

11:41 Chris It it kind of talked about the relationships between them all, but yeah, it felt a bit like, I think for the first, I wasn't sure it was going to go anywhere.

11:47 Chris

11:49 Chris So.

11:50 Lee It's a slightly odd premise, I've got to say it.

11:52 Chris Yeah.

11:54 Lee What how why would you ever just talk to a hand?

11:56 Lee To discover the first.

11:57 Lee But I suppose, yeah.

11:59 Chris That that was where I wasn't too sure.

12:02 Chris But yeah, you know.

12:04 Chris I suppose it's a bit like doing Ouija board or anything like that.

12:06 Chris But again, if you said it's a film about that, I would think, okay, how how good are they going to be able to present this?

12:11 Chris But it it was it was pretty good.

12:14 Chris I mean yeah, I think it it seems like it did well.

12:18 Chris Generally, a lot of people seem to like it.

12:20 Adam Yeah.

12:21 Adam I mean, this is the thing, I think it's also it's dependent on the person.

12:25 Adam You've got.

12:26 Chris If you've never seen a horror film, it might well be.

12:29 Adam We we're reasonable men, we've just seen some unreasonable things.

12:34 Chris Yeah.

12:35 Adam And yeah, I think but yeah, for for a main, I mean, something like hereditary.

12:40 Adam It's like, no, I can understand why the general public were quite freaked out by that film.

12:44 Chris Yeah, in fact, what was it, I was skipping through some things earlier on Netflix.

12:47 Chris And I I can't remember what it was, but it came on, it started to play and then Shelly looked up and she was like, is this horror?

12:54 Chris And I said, oh yeah, because it says it's, you know, like if you liked hereditary, you probably like this.

12:58 Chris Okay, I'll turn this off quick.

12:59 Chris Because I don't think she'd survive it.

13:00 Chris But yeah.

13:02 Lee Nice.

13:02 Lee So I might have to check that out at some point.

13:05 Lee so I I realized something about myself this year and I think it's.

13:11 Lee So obviously we watch horror all year round constantly, and yet when we come to Halloween, when most people then go into their I'm going to go and watch loads of horror shit.

13:19 Lee I think because I loved it so much as a kid, this is when I go back to more family-friendly type.

13:26 Lee I'm going to go back and watch, you know, the Halloween tree and all that kind of stuff.

13:29 Lee Like.

13:30 Chris Yeah, being anti-anti.

13:30 Lee Yeah.

13:32 Lee so in that vein and also because it's just been really least, obviously, I watched the new Haunted Mansion film.

13:38 Chris Oh.

13:40 Lee

13:41 Adam Not The Muppets Home with Mansion that I discovered was existence day.

13:44 Lee No.

13:45 Lee That came out last year, I did mention it when I watched it.

13:47 Lee I quite enjoyed it, but they'd kind of it had been pitched as like a feature length.

13:54 Lee So I thought it was going to be the new, you know.

13:55 Lee Muppets Christmas Carol.

13:56 Lee I think.

13:58 Lee I wasn't expecting it to be a 40-minute short, but I I really enjoyed it.

14:02 Lee

14:03 Lee Yeah, no.

14:04 Lee So this was a new live action one with Owen Wilson is in it and Danny De Vito is in it, Jared Leto.

14:11 Lee

14:12 Lee Yeah.

14:13 Lee I I really enjoyed it again, it it was,

14:18 Lee It was very Disney.

14:20 Lee So it was fairly family-friendly, but like we like we were saying a bit with children of the Stones and stuff, it didn't pull its punches.

14:27 Lee Like the scary ghosts were scary.

14:30 Lee

14:31 Lee So like the hatbox ghost is is one of the main characters in it and he looks as ludicrous as he does in the Haunted Mansion.

14:41 Lee

14:41 Lee But yeah, a lot of the other ghosts look like a bit like the ghost from Ghostbusters too.

14:47 Lee Like they're all pretty pretty grizzly.

14:50 Lee but yeah, because it's in such a comedy setting, you don't you hopefully most kids wouldn't get too upset by it.

14:59 Lee I was a little bit unsure because it was one of those.

15:01 Lee There's a lot of names in it, but the two main characters, one of them I've heard of and one of them I hadn't.

15:07 Lee And I was like, well, they've got a lot of bigger names, better known actors.

15:11 Lee And then it was it's LaKeith Stanfield, and Rosario Dawson, who I've heard of Dawson, but I've not seen any of her stuff.

15:21 Lee

15:21 Lee Yeah, and I was just a bit like, oh, is this going to be another house of long shadows where the others have all got, you know.

15:29 Lee Like a little five minute cameo or whatever.

15:31 Lee And it's all going to rest on two relative.

15:33 Lee I want to say unknowns, but.

15:34 Lee

15:34 Lee But yeah, no, they were excellent and it was really good.

15:36 Lee

15:38 Lee Everyone gets great screen time in it.

15:41 Lee yeah, and I found it really funny, really entertaining, very family-friendly, I say, but still pretty creepy.

15:49 Lee

15:50 Lee Yeah, and it was it was a good tale.

15:51 Lee So it's the idea is a woman has moved into the house with her kid picked the house up cheap.

15:57 Lee

15:58 Lee And it's obviously haunted.

15:59 Lee So she's brought in Owen Wilson, who's a priest.

16:02 Lee LeKeith Stanfield is a photographer.

16:03 Lee But he's also a a physicist or something and basically he's built a camera that can take photographs of ghosts.

16:10 Chris Okay.

16:10 Lee So he.

16:11 Adam like 13 ghosts.

16:12 Lee Yes, exactly.

16:12 Lee Yeah.

16:13 Lee So he comes in to help them and they soon discover that the reason that the ghosts are being so active is because they are scared and they're trying to get attention to get help.

16:19 Lee

16:20 Chris Oh.

16:21 Lee I won't give away the cameos in it because I don't believe looking at the IMDB, they don't appear to be on it.

16:28 Lee There are two cameos in it that are absolutely outstanding.

16:33 Lee but yeah, I won't spoil those for you.

16:35 Lee I'll wait until you see them.

16:36 Lee

16:37 Lee But yeah, really good, really entertaining, great like Sunday afternoon film.

16:40 Lee I'll definitely be going back and watching it again.

16:42 Lee Very good.

16:43 Chris Excellent.

16:45 Lee right, we've got five minutes left.

16:46 Lee So quick fire.

16:48 Adam Quick fire.

16:49 Lee Adam.

16:50 Adam very quick fire, apart from honorable mention for Bottom Terror, which is now Ted's first ever episode of bottom that he's watched.

16:55 Lee Yay.

16:57 Adam Start me up, we're indoctrinating.

17:00 Adam and but me and Claire have rewatched Psychoville.

17:04 Chris Oh, excellent.

17:05 Adam Reese Sheersmith and Steve Pemberton's series between the League and Inside Number Nine.

17:12 Chris And I definitely need to watch that.

17:13 Adam mostly because it's got a Halloween episode, but we've been saying about we hadn't watched it for ages and you forget how fucking good that is.

17:21 Lee Yeah.

17:22 Adam It's, for anyone who hasn't seen it, it's definitely if you like the if you like the League of Gentlemen, if you like Inside Number Nine, watch it.

17:30 Adam Certainly because one episode of Inside Number Nine will probably make a more sense if you do watch Psychoville.

17:34 Adam Because we did that as well, we watched the the inside number nine that was there.

17:37 Adam So.

17:40 Adam Not really a conclusion, but just a sort of actually it was, it tied up the last loose end, I suppose, yeah.

17:44 Lee Yeah.

17:44 Adam But.

17:45 Adam it would have been a tad confusing, I think for some viewers, but

17:54 Adam No, all in all, that is just yeah.

17:58 Adam Rewatch, definitely.

18:00 Adam because it's all good.

18:02 Lee Excellent.

18:02 Adam and so many great actors in it, Daniel Kaluuya, Don French.

18:05 Adam Just tons, tons of people.

18:07 Lee Fantastic, excellent.

18:07 Lee Chris.

18:09 Chris So I just today watched The Fall of the House of Usher, which is.

18:14 Lee Oh, I was going to discuss that.

18:15 Chris Okay, well.

18:16 Chris So I I don't know the story, you know, amazingly.

18:21 Chris I you may well have mentioned it.

18:22 Chris apparently it's Edgar Allan Poe's most famous story.

18:26 Lee and it's it is an excellent.

18:28 Lee It was one of the core Rodger Corman Vincent Price movies.

18:31 Chris Oh, okay.

18:32 Lee Very good.

18:33 Chris Good.

18:33 Chris Could go back and watch that.

18:34 Lee Yeah.

18:35 Adam maybe we should do that while that's a thing that's out as well.

18:39 Adam Because.

18:40 Adam people might go and seek that one out.

18:42 Chris Well and and I will have seen some more episodes of this, so I've only seen the first episode so far, but but yeah, so Mike Flanigan adaptation.

18:49 Chris a modern day adaptation.

18:51 Chris I think it's even set like it was something like 20th of November.

18:55 Chris A date came up at some point on there.

18:56 Chris So it's like right now, I guess.

18:58 Chris and coming up.

18:59 Chris but he owns a huge drug empire called Fortunato pharmaceuticals.

19:05 Chris and really the only thing I think you know and you find out very early on is that all of his children have died.

19:10 Chris And he's got children by five different wives and he's being interviewed by the police chief.

19:15 Chris And and it's got a surprise appearance from Mr. Mark Hammill.

19:18 Chris Which won't be surprising to anyone that was on there with him, but I didn't expect to see it.

19:22 Lee He plays a fantastic, I've seen the whole series now.

19:25 Chris Oh.

19:25 Lee Yeah.

19:26 Lee He plays a great character.

19:28 Chris Oh, yeah, cuz you only see him like very briefly in the courtroom.

19:29 Chris The first one, like, what's that?

19:31 Chris That's my camera.

19:32 Lee Yeah, no.

19:33 Lee He plays a much bigger role as time goes on and it's excellent.

19:37 Lee It's one of those it's got like one long through story, but it is kind of episodic as he says.

19:42 Lee So each episode is about the story of one of the kids.

19:44 Lee So you get everything else that's going on.

19:47 Lee And they are all each episode is named after a story by Graham Poe and kind of uses it as a very loose.

19:53 Chris Oh, okay.

19:54 Chris That's pretty good.

19:54 Lee Yeah.

19:55 Chris It made me think a little bit of Wednesday, it sort of had a a weird dark, but light-hearted thing going on.

19:58 Chris Almost the same time, like not quite funny, but.

20:01 Lee Yeah.

20:01 Chris At least in this first episode.

20:03 Chris It it was, it seemed slightly like, especially with the banter between Rodrick and.

20:07 Lee Yeah.

20:07 Lee and.

20:08 Lee Yeah, but it does get.

20:09 Lee yeah, it does get way darker, way darker, way faster than you expect.

20:13 Chris Okay, okay.

20:14 Chris Well, it says it's an 18 in this, I was like, was that an 18 that much craziness in it?

20:18 Lee Oh, yeah, it kicks off, it is horrific.

20:22 Lee It yeah, but it's excellent.

20:22 Lee I really enjoyed it.

20:23 Lee Really creepy, really dark.

20:25 Lee Didn't at the end as well, you like you know something's coming at the end, you're waiting for the big final twist.

20:31 Chris Okay.

20:32 Lee so yeah, it's it's well worth the well worth watching.

20:35 Lee Stick with it.

20:36 Chris Excellent.

20:37 Lee Cool, right.

20:38 Lee Don't spoil too much on that as it a lot of people probably still haven't seen it.

20:41 Lee Thanks very much for listening, everybody.

20:43 Lee what's our next episode, Adam?

20:45 Adam we're now doing in space, no one can hear you jump the shark, which isn't true because I think they both good, well, I know one of them's good, Jason X.

20:54 Lee Excellent.

20:55 Adam It's our next film.

20:57 Lee Go, right.

20:58 Lee Thanks very much for listening, everybody.

20:59 Lee And we will see you in a Fortnite's time for Jason X.

21:02 Lee Good night.

21:03 Chris Good night.

21:04 Adam Good night and listen to not for everyone podcast.