Jason X
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In space, no one can hear you jump the shark. We turn our attention to a couple of horror franchises that looked to stars for (questionable?) inspiration. First off is 2002’s “Jason X” - a film in which we learn that you’d better enjoy the current season of Ice Hockey as it’s getting banned next year; that those newfangled magnetic nipples are not all they’re cracked up to be; and that David Cronenberg likes them soft. The tenth instalment in the Friday the 13th series sees a complete departure in location, but retains the essential core of a group of extremely stupid and annoying people getting killed in elaborate ways. Whilst this film divided fans, with many considering it the worst of the series, it does at least seem to have been made with a view to rejuvenating a flagging premise, with a tongue-in-cheek attitude, and an awareness of just how ridiculous it all is. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
It's a hockey mask.
Famous lines
- "I was built ready, baby."— Kay Em 14
- "Oh, this sucks on so many levels!"— Janessa
- "We love premarital sex!"— VR Teen Girl #1, VR Teen Girl #2
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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror, I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeAnd we are here this evening to talk about the disputable masterpiece.
AdamYeah.
LeeI love this film, so we'll see where this goes.
Lee2001's Jason X, the tenth of the Friday the 13th movies.
ChrisAnd is it the it's the second we've seen?
ChrisNo, or did we see two?
LeeDid we do Freddy versus?
AdamWe saw the original. No, we didn't.
LeeNo.
ChrisBut I thought we saw the remake.
AdamYou saw the remake, but I wasn't on that episode.
Christhat was. No.
AdamDrew was on that episode, but I could I can't remember why I couldn't make it so you guys and Drew who did that one.
AdamSo this is the first like this is certainly the first time with me that we've done a Friday the 13th movie on on here, yeah.
LeeWoo!
LeeAnd what classic episode to start with.
LeeThere will be spoilers, but I don't know how much you can spoil of this.
LeeAnd there will be swearing, I believe.
LeeYes, so without further ado.
LeeChris, you made some noises before we started recording that you were you think this is not the smartest of movies, is that correct?
ChrisAll I'm going to say is Jason X in space, no one can hear you scream because they're too busy laughing.
AdamYeah.
LeeSee, this is what made me like, I think of this as a horror comedy.
LeeBut on IMDb, it says it's an action, horror, sci-fi.
LeeAnd I'm like, it's definitely a comedy.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisIt has it has those in a in a arguably very superficial way.
AdamIt it aspires It looks like sci-fi.
LeeIt does have nanobots though, actually.
AdamWell, that's one that's one thing I was going to have to ask you to but yeah, before before getting too sidetracked with.
ChrisJust too, yeah.
AdamYeah.
Adamnanobots, Chris.
AdamWhere are we, because it seems to be AI is all the rage these days, I haven't been threatened by nanobots.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisI'll tell you what, right, the thing that has shown us that.
AdamHave they just given up on them?
ChrisWell, no, but no, right, but it's one of those, how long it seems like things are away, they get talked about, probably they always get talked about like 20, maybe 30 years too early and people like it's coming around the corner, right?
ChrisBut we've had that with AI for ages, but then all of a sudden, it took almost every expert by surprise this year, the fact that we went from being.
LeeYeah.
ChrisThe some AI systems that were amazing, like deep blue, deep mind, Alpha Go, Alpha Zero, all of those were like, wow, that's amazing.
ChrisBut that's in the hands of professionals, all of a sudden, we've got unbelievable AI in the hands of complete morons like us, you know.
ChrisSo like who knows where it's going to go.
ChrisSo nanobots could happen tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.
AdamFair enough.
LeeDeep Blue and it speaks to you, they should have called it Deep Throat, they were definitely missing the trick there.
Adam
AdamI think they would have.
AdamI think they might have highlighted a certain element that would have.
LeeLess people would be Googling it, well they wouldn't be finding what they're looking for anyway.
Adam
ChrisYeah.
ChrisI'm getting to the point where ChatGPT is replacing almost all other tools that I use for different various jobs and it does them all.
ChrisAnd it does it in such a friendly way.
ChrisIt's like, oh, if everybody spoke to me like that, I'd come away smiling at the end of every day.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut the other thing where I think that we got to qualify, it reminds you of sci-fi.
Chris
AdamWhat this reminds me of is the Sci-Fi Channel about the sort of around about the 2000 sort of time, late nineties, 2000.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd watching maybe 15 to 20 minutes of something that looks like Jason X.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWaiting for another program to come on on a different channel.
LeeYeah.
LeeAlways.
AdamIt definitely feels in that sort of trail of the various 90s Star Treks and sort of Babylon Fives and stuff like that.
LeeThere was a show called something scape that was just a a dreadful show.
AdamFarscape.
LeeFarscape, yeah.
ChrisBut actually watched it.
LeeExactly.
LeeI I but no, but like Adam said.
AdamFarscape was genuinely good.
ChrisWas it, okay.
LeeI saw it good.
LeeYeah.
ChrisI actually did miss several of those, really.
AdamFarscape from what I is pretty much how people sort of thought of as Firefly.
Chris
ChrisOkay. Yeah, well Firefly was great.
LeeLove Firefly.
AdamYeah, and I think Farscape was that only with added Muppets.
AdamSo it's sort of.
AdamBut
AdamBut yeah, this weirdly enough, a big first thing that I hadn't even realized, obviously, this is called Jason X, it's the 10th Friday the 13th movie.
AdamApparently, at the time they made it, they didn't have the rights to use the name Friday the 13th.
AdamBecause this was made by New Line Cinema who were doing all the Friday the 13th.
AdamBut Paramount realized they owned the name.
Chris
AdamSo that's why.
AdamThat's why this is Jason X and not Friday the 13th 10, Jason X, or something like that.
ChrisIt seems kind of strange they can own a name, but not the entire franchise.
LeeYeah, not the whole.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah, but it's like with Evil Dead 2, the reason they do a they refilm a recap of Evil Dead at the start of Evil Dead 2, rather than use clips, because they couldn't afford to get the clips from the first movie.
AdamIt's a fucking weird rights nightmare sort of thing.
AdamBut also that's why the the ninth film is Jason goes to hell the final Friday, so they'd actually lost the rights to use Friday the 13th at that point.
AdamSo the ninth and tenth movie aren't called Friday the 13th.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, that was just a fascinating factoid.
LeeI was devastated at the fact this has only got a 4.4 on IMDb because I genuinely enjoyed it.
LeeI know.
ChrisIs it is it wait wait wait, so here here that's brought me onto my, this could be controversial because.
LeeOh.
ChrisYou'll find out, right.
ChrisI'm going to say this is the Alien Resurrection of Friday the 13th.
ChrisRight.
ChrisNow, knowing both of you hate Alien Resurrection, and I love it.
AdamI don't hate Alien Resurrection, I just can't be asked.
ChrisBut but it's got every like this this is Alien Resurrection is like the thinking man's version of this.
ChrisAnd.
ChrisOh, not not not a very big thinking man.
ChrisBut.
ChrisIt's it's when, you know, you want to have some philosophy, some actual sci-fi.
ChrisBut it like they've even got the the Android head in this.
ChrisThey've got they're getting sucked out of a little hole in the spaceship.
AdamThey do everything, they've got space Marines, yeah, you know, it's aliens.
ChrisBut with machetes.
AdamYeah.
AdamThere's a character called Dallas.
AdamAnd yeah, it's.
LeeSpeaking of machetes, that still makes me laugh every time I watch this.
LeeIs how in that very opening scene, he's hanging in a room, a completely empty warehouse with nothing in it.
LeeHe somehow manages to kill the guard and walk out with a big rusty machete, like he'd somehow just found it in that room.
LeeIt was like, what the fucking hell did you get hold of that from?
LeeI mean, you can't be Jason without it, but.
ChrisBut so is it is it that the reason it's got 4.4?
ChrisIs it that people didn't like the the change from what is more serious generally as far as I know all Friday 13th?
ChrisBut but they're also you're not too worried about the plot making perfect sense in Friday 13th, are you, generally?
AdamI I I think it's.
AdamProbably I think it is one of those films that probably doesn't have I don't know, but I feel it probably has a bad rap amongst fans.
ChrisYeah, well that's yeah.
AdamDo you know what I mean?
AdamI'm sure there's people out there who are like, you know this like hulking undead hockey mask wearing serial murderer with mother issues.
ChrisI mean, that does seem to let it.
AdamIt's very unrealistic now we've put him in space.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it's.
ChrisExactly.
AdamSeriously, it's the fucking Doctor Who argument a lot of the time.
AdamWhen people give you the Doctor Who.
ChrisWait, don't forget always mix up Sherlock.
AdamWell that's just a he's a fucking practically immortal person who can change their entire appearance and a fucking phone booth bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.
ChrisYeah, how much does it need to.
AdamIf that fundamental premise doesn't give you the can't be fucked to mess around.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd I but I do think I wonder if it's one of those ones where it's the real hardcore fans were just like, oh, this is stupid, gone too far.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah, you you see it in any fan base, you see it, you know what I mean, you see it with Star Wars, you see it with anything.
AdamThere are particularly the real hardcore fans, when there's like a big change or something that could, I think there's also an embarrassment factor sometimes with fans.
AdamWhere it's almost like, oh, don't show people this, because I've been saying fucking Jason's the best fucking thing since sliced teenagers.
ChrisIt's actually.
LeeMachete sliced rolls, yeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd now you've seen him in the space, I'm going to be a laughing stock at the next like meeting of people who watch horror.
ChrisDid did right, but did they get through.
ChrisTo the sleeping bag scene?
LeeYes.
LeeI'm so glad.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisBecause.
ChrisIf if right, it was at that point I was like, no, right, I'm I'm happy with this.
ChrisThis is this is fine.
ChrisI wasn't I may not have been 100% sure before, you've got me now.
AdamIt it distinctly knows.
ChrisYeah, it's self-aware.
AdamI think there's a few people involved who were doing their best to make the best they could.
AdamBecause like I say, this would look like a competent sci-fi on the Sci-Fi channel from the 90s.
LeeYeah.
AdamDo you know what I mean?
AdamIt's not great.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut it's up to the standards of say, I don't know, Babylon 5 or one of the Star Treks or something like that just to a greater or lesser extent.
AdamBut.
AdamYeah, I think there are also they were kind of like, this come on, this is fucking daft, we know we've got to put the jokes in.
LeeThat comedy timing though of the, you know, he's on the holo deck and it's like, hey, do you want a beer, would you like to smoke some pot, how about premarital sex, we love premarital sex.
LeeAnd he literally looks straight down the camera, it cuts away and then cuts back to him beating one of them to death with the other one inside a sleeping.
LeeLike.
AdamYeah.
LeeIt's just genius, it makes me laugh out loud.
LeeEvery time and I I love it.
LeeIt is a it is a big step from the original, so as you say Adam, I can see why the.
LeeThe hardcore.
ChrisIt's not like it had been going in that direction.
ChrisSo.
LeeNo, it wasn't.
AdamNo, it wasn't.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisOkay.
ChrisSo we'd had nine of roughly the same you expect this every time and then all of a sudden it was this.
AdamYeah.
AdamWell, because also basically they brought this out.
AdamBecause Freddy versus Jason sort of got stuck in development.
ChrisOh, okay.
AdamAnd so they'd done the last Friday the 13th before this.
AdamIt was it was Jason goes to hell and it ends with him in hell and Freddy's glove comes out and grabs the mask.
ChrisOh, right.
AdamLike the hockey mask or whatever.
AdamIs that right?
LeeI've got to admit, I've still never seen nine.
Chrisright.
LeeI don't know how I've seen all of the others at least half a dozen times each, I've somehow never seen nine.
ChrisIs it like you go, I'm going to watch nine, but I'm so close to 10, I'm just going to watch 10?
LeeI'm just going to.
LeeYeah.
LeeAgain.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut yeah, so it's kind of set up to be Freddy versus Jason is the next film in the because that's the thing.
AdamThis continuity, this is still when it's this comes from a time as well when no one was doing.
AdamLike the Halloween reboot sort of thing.
AdamWhere it's like, we've not rebooted it, but we're now saying that all the sequels are invalid, we're doing what is supposedly the first sequel to the original.
AdamRather than and missing out all the gaps.
AdamSo this was distinctly this is still the same Jason from the very end of the very first Friday the 13th movie.
Chris
AdamAnd continuing on.
AdamTo his adventures in space.
AdamAnd yeah, I'd imagine there probably wasn't a problem with that.
AdamBut so they wanted to put this out because they just wanted to keep the character, you know, in the public domain, so people wouldn't so Freddy versus Jason would still be like a big deal when it came out.
Chris
AdamAnd they ended up doing it they ended up coming up with if we do it in the future, it doesn't fuck up any continuity.
ChrisThere is that.
ChrisI suppose.
AdamAnd technically, and this is not hopefully not a spoiler for people, but without too much of a giveaway.
AdamAt the end of Freddy versus Jason, Jason is back on Earth, he's not in hell, which is where nine ends.
AdamSo technically, it still fits that timeline and everything.
Adam
ChrisSo some thought was put to it.
AdamYeah, to oh no, I think that was entirely accidental.
AdamBut it was but the best bit was, I was reading where is it, they said, these are these are the ideas, basically they were like, right, what are we going to do for the next film?
AdamAnd they would just do like a checklist of like, and stuff like.
AdamJason in the hood, Jason in the snow.
AdamJason on Safari, and my particular favorite, Jason at NASCAR.
LeeHe knows the audience.
AdamSo, you know, Jason.
LeeThey knew the audience.
AdamJason in space, I suppose is no more on that list, you know.
AdamI think that would be yeah, and obviously it.
AdamFucking died at the box office and then apparently made three times its money back on DVD.
LeeYeah, I'm not surprised.
AdamBecause you've got this isn't something that's going to be a big theatrical release, but fuck me is it going to be watched on video and DVD.
ChrisAnd at many parties you could see yeah, what we're going to put on, yeah, perfect.
LeeI mean it still I'm keen to know Chris what you thought of what I still say I think is the best kill in a movie ever, my favorite, which is when he gets off the table and pushes that woman's head into the into the liquid nitrogen.
ChrisLike yeah, yeah.
ChrisNo, yeah.
LeeYeah, so it freezes solid and then just smashes it off the counter like a watermelon.
LeeIt's just beautiful, I love it.
ChrisThere is that.
AdamThat's the thing.
AdamThat's the thing is that it's heart, it still has the thing of it's just what variety of interesting ways does Jason killer batch of annoying.
ChrisIt's absolutely got some stand out scenes.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd that
LeeAnd also.
AdamI must confess, the only trouble I have with this film is I do lose interest a bit after David Cronenberg dies.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd admittedly, that's very early in the film, but I cannot I cannot stress enough.
AdamIt's got fucking David Cronenberg in it, which immediately just elevates.
AdamJust, you know, from the man who really is the best thing about Night Breed.
LeeYeah, yeah.
AdamLike in terms of characters, you know, and he's just so good and it's just and the director of this film was a special effects guy.
AdamWho worked on loads of Cronenberg films, James Isaac.
AdamAnd so David Cronenberg did it as a favor, but on the proviso that he would be killed on screen, apparently, he just that's what he wanted.
LeeWho wouldn't want to be killed by Jason, especially when it's played by Kane Hodder, like the real Jason, that's the way you want to go, isn't it?
LeeYeah, the score for this as well really stuck out for me watching it back this time, it sounds like Hellraiser.
AdamIt does sound like Hellraiser.
AdamThere's definitely they've ripped off the like the resurrection the theme when he when Frank comes out of the floorboards.
LeeYeah.
AdamThat is utterly ripped off on any of the Jason coming back from the dead sort of bits, whether it's with the with the nanotech technology or when he gets off the table initially and stuff.
Adam
AdamBut also, it has to be said, the end the music right, not not the very end, like the end titles.
AdamBut the music at the end was just like, and this is the music that I hate in so many sci-fi things.
AdamLike.
AdamBecause it's just that big orchestral sound.
AdamI'm just like, oh, piss off.
AdamSo like, you know, it's in space, do something do something weird, come on.
LeeIt was 2001, I'm just surprised they didn't put Rob Zombie all over it if I'm honest.
LeeI mean, it's got that feel.
AdamYeah, but was what was was Robert Zombie doing was he doing his Halloweens at that point, I must have been later than that.
Leeoh, yeah, no, I no, I don't think he was.
LeeI think this is pre-Halloween, but definitely obviously post House of 1000 Corpses.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut then weirdly enough, the the Friday the 13th films never had that sort of thing.
AdamOf a.
AdamI don't recall them having like none of those films ever were in the, that was much more of a 90s thing where you'd have like, and here's hundreds of fashionable bands on this one soundtrack.
LeeYeah.
LeeI should fact check that House of 1000 Corpses, I could be wrong, but yeah.
AdamI think they did.
LeeBut yeah, I just and it is you're quite right, Chris, it is a very big jump from what we used to for nine movies to suddenly drop into this.
LeeBut I think it's I think it needed reinventing because it was getting old.
LeeAnd it has it did keep for me, as you said Adam, that like, it's just interesting ways to kill a group of idiots.
LeeAnd and that's what these films have always been.
ChrisReally is, yeah.
LeeIt maintains that, but it injects a load of comedy into it.
LeeBecause that's that's the thing, although the hardcore fans will take these seriously.
LeeThey are films to have on in the background when you're drinking with your mates.
LeeSo like they're not.
AdamThey are a communal they're a communal sort of horror film, definitely.
LeeYeah, and I don't class them as particularly high, but I and I do laugh when I watch the originals because of the the excite, you know, the the interesting ways they do the kills and stuff.
LeeI do find myself laughing at that.
LeeSo to make a jump to making it more of a horror comedy doesn't seem a million miles away to me.
LeeYeah, and they just handled it really well, I say, I genuinely find myself laughing out there, it's not a groanfest all the way, there are some bits that are pretty much like that, but but it's got enough genuine comedy in it that I can enjoy it as a comedy film, really.
AdamI think yeah, because I I I there's no way you could take this seriously and and fortunately, I think the film is aware of that, so it's added in the lines and stuff like that.
AdamAlthough the line that gets me the most is just her, are you stoned?
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamWhen when he's like, oh, you know, when he's going to do the noble, no sacrifice, no, we're not sacrificing you guys as well.
AdamAnd it's like, fuck that, I'm going to take.
LeeYeah.
LeeOh.
AdamIt was it was actually it was interesting watching watching it with Claire, because she's not seen any other Friday the 13th stuff.
AdamAnd.
ChrisHas she seen has she seen many slashers?
Adamonly what we've done on here, so Halloween.
Adam
ChrisOkay, I wasn't sure how many years she's followed.
AdamScream, you know, it's not really, because I don't really watch a lot of slasher film.
ChrisNo, yeah.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, so this was kind of her first Jason Voorhees you know, Friday the 13th.
AdamAnd.
AdamIt was interesting to watch someone be like, oh, fucking hell, these characters are fucking idiots.
ChrisYeah.
AdamEveryone's fucking annoying.
AdamAnd it's like.
AdamAnd then, well, I'm on Jason's side.
AdamAnd it's like, that's the point.
LeeYes, that's that's always the case.
AdamIt's always the case.
AdamYou just like that person is so fucking annoying when he's Jason going to kill them.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd you know, and and how inventively or how cruelly will he do that?
AdamAnd that's, you know, I think it delivers in that sense.
LeeAnd it does, I do think it's a good although obviously it's a strange place to start with the character, I do think it's a good introduction to him.
LeeAnd and it does always make me want to go back and watch my favorite Friday movies again.
ChrisSo that's interesting.
ChrisRight.
ChrisYeah, it.
ChrisI would I would happily watch another one now.
ChrisIt's sort of funny, it must be the comedy aspect, it's like it didn't feel like it was too much, whereas I kind of think if I watch a straightforward slasher, I'm like, yeah, I'm done, I don't need to watch another slasher for a little while.
AdamSee again, it starts at the series starts off very much in that serious vibe.
AdamAnd it's like all of those great 80s franchises, Hellraiser is probably the only one that remained either serious or po-faced depending on the quality of the film.
AdamBut the rest of them all sort of like Nightmare Elm Street clearly.
AdamYou you already had Freddy as a sort of charismatic figure, but it then becomes his one liners, his sort of playing up as the sort of big figure of the films and stuff like that.
AdamLike that.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd similarly with I mean, it's like I mean, by the time you get to like Jason takes Manhattan, which is fucking great.
AdamAnd I know I know that Bobby of not for everyone is a massive fan of that one.
AdamBut you know, it's just the joy of like seeing him kick over a fucking stereo of an annoying bunch of street punks.
ChrisYeah.
LeeHunter killer is off in a single room.
AdamYeah.
LeeOh, God, now I want to go and watch that when we finish.
LeeFed, but I've got a feeling that's coming out tonight.
AdamYeah.
Leeyeah, it it is it's a good fun movie.
LeeAnd that's why when Adam said, oh, should we cover it, I was like, that is perfect.
LeeBecause it's.
LeeAs you say, we haven't done a lot of slashers because Adam and myself, although we quite enjoy them and don't dislike them as a sub genre.
LeeYeah, it's not generally.
ChrisThere's often still something else that would go above.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamOr or or like in this case, we tend to prefer where it's gone into different areas or something like that.
AdamWhere it sort of like like this circumstance where it is literally sort of.
AdamYou know, from my point of view, it was like, oh, at least you're doing something, you know, you're trying something new.
AdamWith it.
AdamYou know, because it does it does come to a point where especially when it's.
AdamYou know, a haunted area as in Crystal Lake, just don't go here.
AdamYou know, it becomes really obvious what's happening, because there's a fucking trail of bodies.
AdamYou know, so at that point, just don't bother.
AdamBecause actually I think that's actually, there's it weirdly enough, the one thing I think is missing is that I think there's a fascinating film.
AdamWith Dr. Rowan and David Cronenberg of the idea that the military want to capture Jason because, well, he's a fucking undead murder machine that permanently comes back from the dead.
AdamYeah, the military are oddly interested, you know.
ChrisYeah.
LeeOh.
AdamYou know, that really ticks a lot of R&D boxes for them.
AdamAnd I think that that's quite a good concept to start with.
AdamThat, you know, that they've turned it into a research like Crystal Lake research facility because it's like, no, something's going on here.
AdamAnd really, I think we should step in at this point, but also see how much money or murder we can make out of it.
Chris
AdamYou know.
AdamIn that sense, again, it's got the Aliens thing.
ChrisWell, yeah, yeah.
AdamYou know, because there is like the professor Professor Lowe in this is basically Burke.
Chris
AdamAnd you know, and the Sarge is basically Apone from Aliens and it's just yeah, there's a lot of similarities and crossover.
ChrisYeah.
Adam
AdamBut again, in a weird way, Aliens is playing it straight and this isn't, and it probably benefits for that.
Chris
LeeYeah, it's funny, I'd forgotten just how sort of chunky the CGI and stuff in this.
LeeIt like the the ships and stuff and that big space station explosion just looks.
AdamYeah, they're not great.
LeeOff a sci-fi channel.
AdamBut that's the thing is it's it's comparable to a lot of stuff that was out at the time because this was all this was all done in Canada.
AdamAnd all pretty much all sci-fi was filmed in Vancouver at that point anyway, like the X-Files was.
AdamBecause it was just cheaper to film.
AdamSo you had an effects budget essentially because you weren't, you know, you weren't paying as much in in other ways.
ChrisI mean I suppose that it doesn't take away from it because of the style of film it is.
AdamNo, no.
AdamNot at all.
AdamI would I would argue when this came out, this looked as comparable to stuff that people were putting out there as you know, as more not not more more serious fair.
AdamDo you know what I mean?
AdamAs you.
AdamIt wasn't.
AdamHey, look, because I mean, let's face it, if your concept is Jason in space.
AdamYou're probably already, you know, in in a certain sense of humor.
ChrisMindset.
AdamYeah.
AdamYou know.
AdamYou're already but you know, I don't think this looks like a lot of this doesn't look different to a lot of far more sort of.
AdamWell, actually, we're going to look at the nature of humanity through sci-fi.
AdamEven though everyone's come for the aliens, don't say that we've come for, honestly, they've come for the talking in rooms.
AdamNo.
AdamNo, they haven't, they've come for aliens.
LeeI think you're right, I think it's I think what it is, is this film still feels but I mean it's 22 years old at this point.
LeeBut it doesn't feel it with the.
LeeSo I think that's why the effects look so ropy.
LeeAs you say, like it's probably no better than Event Horizon or whatever to some degree.
LeeBut because that feels like an oldish film and this to me still feels fairly recent.
ChrisYeah, that's interesting.
LeeIt feels like it should be.
LeeBut again, I think it's just because it was like all the films do it now, it's like, oh yeah, we do two or three and then we'll do something completely mental and batshit with it.
LeeWhereas this did it so much longer ago, but it still seems like a fairly new concept to take a massive franchise and totally lose the plot with it, really.
AdamBecause what I mean, basically is the end of the franchise.
AdamBecause you only had like Freddy versus Jason and the remake or reboot, whichever it is, I'm not sure.
AdamI think I think it's a it's a reboot, isn't it?
AdamThe.
LeeYeah, yeah, 2013 one, yeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd
AdamBut yeah, it sort of.
AdamI I yeah, I think it's just it it feels.
AdamIt feels weird in that sense, but there's not been much since, so it still remains the latest Friday the 13th movie, technically.
AdamEven though it is over 20 years old now.
AdamAnd
LeeI mean.
AdamBut also when when I was looking it up, most of the cast are pretty much all their stuff is.
AdamSci-Fi Channel stuff.
AdamLike like Rowan and the woman who plays the KN, the Android.
AdamThey were both in Andromeda straight after this, which was like, which ran for like 300 odd episodes on Sci-Fi channel.
LeeWow.
AdamAnd you and and oddly enough, Alexa Doig, who played Rowan, was actually an Android in Andromeda.
AdamSo they sort of swapped roles.
Lee
AdamPretty much.
AdamBut
AdamBut yeah, there's
AdamAlso, apparently at one point they they were going to have Jason's mum turn up in the the VR bit.
Adambut the actress who play plays it didn't just turned it down, I think she probably just like, Jason in space, Christ.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know.
AdamSo she so she bowed out.
AdamOne thing I got watching this though, because obviously there's a very filthy rich and cat flap.
AdamElement in that Jason is an enormous Derek.
LeeYes.
AdamBecause it's I've put in a I've put in an action a terrifying killing machine, or to put it another way, I've found a big bastard with no brain.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd that's pretty much Jason.
AdamYou know, and it did make me think.
AdamYou could and they do it in this film, is how easy it would be, do you think you could get away with Bugs Bunny in Jason?
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know what I mean?
AdamLike Candy for Mongo.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYou know what I mean?
AdamLike Jason's a very sort of like, you know, he's a very single-minded guy.
AdamLet's put it that way.
AdamAnd, you know, I think if you just weirded at him, you know, suddenly you've got him in a barber's chair and doing his hair and stuff like that.
AdamLike Bug's Bunny would.
AdamYou know, I think you'd throw him out like fucking completely.
AdamAnd that's pretty much what they do to him in this.
LeeYeah, yeah.
AdamWith the holo deck thing.
LeeWith the holo deck.
AdamSort of thing.
AdamYou know.
AdamYeah.
AdamI did like that as well.
AdamIs that there's just all the stuff about, oh, yeah, obviously we've got a holo deck.
AdamObviously, we've got nanobots.
AdamAnd we've got this, that.
AdamAnd it's like.
AdamCan't you just beam us off?
AdamBeam.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, like you'd totally mental for even to suggest.
AdamWhat?
AdamYou you would be disappointed that you'd got that far into the future and they found out what you haven't got teleports.
AdamFuck sake.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut yeah, James.
Adamyeah, James Isaac who did it.
AdamHe died in 2012.
Chris
LeeOh no.
AdamYeah,
AdamAt 51.
Adam
AdamBut he directed House 3, Skinwalkers.
ChrisOkay.
AdamAnd a film called Pighunt that I never heard of.
AdamBut it's a sci-fi action horror with a minor role for Les Claypool.
LeeI think I have got that on my shelf, I believe I've seen it.
AdamRight, okay.
LeeI think I saw it.
LeeI was going to say, I saw it quite a while ago.
LeeI think again, someone said there's a horror film with Les Claypool in it, so I tracked it down.
Lee
LeeBut yeah, it was forgettable enough that I can't even remember him being in it.
LeeOr or anything about it, apart from seeing it on the shelf.
AdamWhen they say minor role, I'm like, well, they didn't even call it a cameo.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know.
Adam
AdamAnd but he also but he did the special effects for Return of the Jedi or worked special effects on Return of the Jedi, Gremlins, House 2, House 3, Deep Star Six, a Rap the Phobia.
AdamLook Who's Talking Too.
AdamAnd for with David Cronenberg, he did he was part of the effects team on The Fly, Naked Lunch and eXistenZ.
Chris
AdamAnd, you know, and again.
AdamThere's a lot of good icky gore in this.
AdamIt's the more the CGI that lets it down, the actual sort of gore and stuff like that.
AdamI think actually works particularly well.
LeeYeah.
LeeThe body sliding down that massive coring drill bit that's on the machine.
LeeIt looks fantastic, it looks so good.
AdamAnd again, that's what you know.
AdamThat's essentially what you, despite what anyone says, that's what you come to Friday the 13th for, is just the the whackiness of the kills or the not the whacking it, but like the inventiveness of the kills.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it's like.
AdamBecause that is that is almost on a par with when they have to unscrew the guy in Doctor Who Fives.
LeeYeah, yeah.
LeeYeah, that was what it reminded me of, the whole time that scene was on, I was like, this from I've seen this some, this means something.
LeeAnd that was all it was, it was Doctor Who Fives.
AdamYeah.
Leebut yeah, I just it's just it's a really fun film.
LeeAnd I know it obviously gets a lot of hate on IMDb.
LeeI mean, it's a 4.4 on IMDb, I was like, oh, maybe nobody has rated it, no, it's got 60,000 runs and it's got 4.4, so people really hate it.
LeeI think it's a great time, I think it's a really good fun and it kills as well, you know, hour and a half, you're in and out and it doesn't overstay its welcome or drag its heels anywhere.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah, the pacing is good.
AdamYou you get on with it.
AdamYou're in the future within 10 minutes.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, that's you know.
AdamThey don't even have to have Jason smash up another Jason.
AdamAnd then throws his machete into the air and it transitions to a falling orbital satellite.
AdamAnd then someone else and so forth.
AdamBut yeah.
LeeI did like that final scare at the end as well, when the ship explodes and he goes, oh, he's coming.
LeeAnd you see him just flying through space still with his machete over his head, because he doesn't have to breathe, because we know he's a.
AdamNo.
LeeStrangely superhuman being and he's just flying through space towards a spaceship carrying a machete.
Leeand then the.
LeeSarge just takes him out.
Adam
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamHe's like the the the dealer.
AdamThough, that really seedy guy, he's in loads of Cronenberg films as well.
AdamBut I I do love him, but equally, I did think it was like.
AdamVoorhees, that's not Voorhees, is it?
AdamI'm like.
AdamIt's a bit of a leap after 200 year like 400 years.
LeeI don't even get what that guy was doing in it.
LeeThey could have not had that and just been like, oh, we've Googled it and we've found out who this dude is, wow, that could be worth something to someone.
LeeI don't know what that guy was doing making some random bloke up, had anything to do with.
ChrisWas he like a friend?
LeeYeah.
LeeCould have been.
ChrisA role.
LeeThat's true.
AdamThat's true, yeah, because he's like I say, he's a.
AdamHe's in a lot of Cronenberg stuff, so it might have just been like.
AdamOh, do you want to come in and do that?
AdamDavid, David's doing a day.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
Chrisso right.
ChrisSo have I been completely dim, he got killed.
ChrisBefore he got resurrected, reconstructed.
ChrisRight, but so so why was he dead then?
ChrisI mean, he was splattered a bit.
LeeYeah, I think they just like destroyed him to such a point that there wasn't enough left to come back, but the nanobots managed to adjust him.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisBut that's it so so, you know, and this is where obviously we may not need to delve into this, but he's supernatural, but we don't we never find out what keeps him alive past that point where he could potentially die.
LeeWell, he was.
AdamWith it.
LeeYeah, he was dead in the fifth one, in the fifth one, and then in the sixth one.
Lee
LeeSomeone digs up his grave.
LeeYeah.
Chris
LeeNot to spoil it.
Lee
LeeBecause he tact them, he digs up the grave so that he can stab him through the heart with a spike from the fence post.
LeeIt then gets struck by lightning and brings him back to life.
ChrisOkay.
LeeOkay.
ChrisFrankenstein.
LeeReference.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamBecause that's the thing is, I I think it's.
AdamI I don't again, I don't really know the rules.
AdamI think it's like it's like a zombie.
AdamYou know what I mean, it keeps coming.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut I suppose you could just chop a zombie to absolute pieces.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd then it doesn't really matter if they're still coming.
LeeThey're a liquid at that point, how much damage can they do really?
ChrisYeah.
ChrisAnd but then and so he comes back and he's Uber, which that's relatively unnecessary.
ChrisBecause he's already pretty Uber.
ChrisBut I guess that was another.
AdamWe know what we're doing.
AdamYou know, you can book him.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, you're back to.
LeeCalling a big bastard with no brains again.
AdamYeah.
ChrisNo, I've just I've just looked, I was looking up House of 1000 Corpses which was 2003.
ChrisBut I saw this Jason X-mas, which was a series.
LeeI have no idea what that.
LeeI will look it up.
AdamOh.
AdamOh.
AdamOh.
AdamOh.
ChrisIt was 2014-2017 mini-series.
LeeOh, yeah, I'm definitely going to find out what that is.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisIt doesn't say a lot, but it does have a picture of him on the cover, so yeah, we'll find out.
LeeExcellent.
Leeright, so for our next episode, we are continuing our Jump the Shark season.
Leeand we will still be in space because we are going for Leprechaun in Space as our next.
ChrisOh.
LeeOh.
LeeEpisode,
LeeYeah, again, I'm quite keen to see after you after seeing the first one, Chris.
ChrisYeah.
LeeHow you get on with jumping to Leprechaun in Space.
ChrisNo, it was a while ago.
ChrisNow, which.
ChrisThat's seems kind of crazy.
ChrisBut yeah, I mean that's got to be.
ChrisNo.
AdamIt'll be the same for me because I've never seen, I've I've only seen Leprechaun when we watched.
LeeOh, you've only seen Leprechaun.
AdamOkay.
LeeOh wow.
AdamOh.
AdamOkay.
LeeOh, wow.
LeeHave you not seen Leprechaun in Space?
AdamNo.
LeeOh.
LeeOh.
LeeOh, so much.
ChrisExciting stuff.
LeeI to be fair, I think I've only seen it twice, but yeah, I'm quite looking forward to seeing it again.
LeeSo, yeah.
LeeTells you everything you need to know.
LeeRight.
LeeThanks ever so much for listening, everybody, go and check out Jason X if you're looking for comedy and not for a hardcore slasher movie.
LeeGo and listen to the not for everyone podcast.
LeeAnd we will see you all in a fortnight's time for Leprechaun in Space.
LeeThanks very much, good night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night.
