Sinister
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The team gathers around the 8mm projector to view 2012’s perfectly named “Sinister” from Blumhouse Films. A film that teaches you that you never go into Dad’s office, that you never ignore a scared Sheriff’s Deputy and, perhaps most fundamentally, you never deliberately move your already dysfunctional family into a fucking crime scene! Along the way we discuss ITV true crime drama “Des” and 2007’s “Headless Horseman”. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES -CURRENT QUARANTINE MEASURES MEANT WE HAD TO RECORD THIS EPISODE REMOTELY.
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UnknownGood evening and welcome to Horah.
LeeI'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
Leeand we are here for episode 94 maybe.
ChrisHow sinister.
Lee94?
AdamI think so.
LeeYeah.
LeeProbably shouldn't have started with that if I didn't know for certain.
LeeThat's a terrible idea.
Leeand getting close to Halloween, so it's all getting very exciting in the Welcome to Horror studio.
AdamYeah.
Leeso, yes, we're covering Sinister as we mentioned, the uh in my opinion surprisingly uh good mainstream horror movie, but I don't want to give too much away.
LeeSo, before we get into that, as always, for our preamble, Chris, have you managed to catch up with anything horror related in the last week?
ChrisYeah, I did, I finished It Part Two and I definitely liked it.
ChrisIt was good.
ChrisIt was different enough.
ChrisI liked the comedy aspect, I think I mentioned that last week.
ChrisBut yeah, um, I liked the cast.
ChrisUm, it it didn't it wasn't that scary, I would say, really.
ChrisBut it just I just enjoyed it, really.
ChrisIt was just the scenes were entertaining.
ChrisIt's I guess it reminds me a little bit of um, Freddy, you know, I think we might have said that when we reviewed part one.
ChrisThe way that he plays on their fears.
ChrisUm, you know, it's just similar, but different enough that, yeah.
ChrisAnd then, you know.
ChrisPennywise and I don't know the actor's name, but he's just he's great.
ChrisYou know.
ChrisHis voice is is quite unique.
ChrisAnd yeah, I just thought it was really good.
LeeSo we are recording this evening on a on a new platform. Yeah, Lady Jennifer has just messaged us on the platform.
ChrisOoh, shiny.
LeeBit of an experience checking it out.
LeeUm, and uh yeah, Lady Jennifer's just messaged us on the platform because we might be looking to possibly let people know when we're recording so that we can have a text channel open to the public.
LeeUm, so that you can message us while we are doing our preamble, um, yeah, in a kind of live fashion, obviously you won't hear the results for a week.
LeeUm, yeah, it's something we're considering, so we're just testing it live on air.
ChrisSo, so what is she saying here? She said it works.
ChrisThat's a good start.
ChrisWhat do you think of Sinister?
ChrisI prefer the second one.
ChrisIs there a Sinister Two?
LeeWe yeah, Jennifer and I watched Sinister Two.
AdamOh, cool, I'd be glad to hear what the yeah, because I've not seen it, I kind of worried.
Adamthat it would sort of I think it was like I was once you get the reveal of Sinister, it's kind of the point of it and then it was like, oh.
LeeI I felt the same, but again, I won't I won't spoil anything now.
LeeUm, but it's funny, yeah, Chris, that you watched, um, obviously uh the second chapter of It.
LeeWhich has the same character in this film.
LeeThe same character.
AdamSame actor.
LeeYeah, and he is the lead in Sinister Two.
LeeHe's who's what.
ChrisHe was the deputy.
AdamYeah, Deputy so and so.
ChrisYeah, I was thinking, I know him, but I was trying to work out, is it a bit is he a bit weird because his character in this is sort of a bit weird because I wasn't quite sure where he was going because he sort of starts off, he doesn't look at him very much and he's like, oh, but yeah, no, that explains it then. Yeah, that's it.
AdamJames Ransom.
ChrisYeah.
Leeactor, and he pretty much carries Sinister Two.
ChrisOh.
LeeSo, yeah.
AdamHe's in John Waters' last film, um, uh, what is it called?
AdamI did write it down. A Dirty Shame.
LeeOh, yeah, sorry, we've jumped into the main thing before Adam's ready.
LeeI do apologize.
AdamBut um, no, no, yeah.
AdamI was going to say I've not seen anything.
AdamOh, this week I have watched Des.
AdamAnd it's the there's a weird thing that I've noticed and that's that ITV, despite the fact they're fucking atrocious at everything else.
AdamAre really good at real life crime dramas.
LeeOkay.
AdamAnd this was the uh story of Dennis Nilsen.
AdamThe.
LeeOh, yeah, yeah.
AdamThe killer from the well, he was arrested in the 80s, but he was like 70s and 80s.
AdamUm, with David Tennant playing him.
ChrisMm.
AdamAnd yeah, there's not there's there's not a bad actor in it.
AdamThis it's really, really good.
AdamAnd just again, I don't think it's that familiar a story for people.
AdamIt's much more you know what I mean, I don't think it's not one where everyone knows.
Adamsort of all the facts, as it were.
LeeYeah, I agree. He's one of those serial killers who I know his name, but if it weren't for a certain podcast, um, who did a three-part thing on him, I think. Um, yeah, I I've know I mean, I'm not a massive I'm not really into serial killers.
LeeBut there's enough of them that are out there that are kind of household names and people.
LeeAnd I think people know Nilsen's name, but don't necessarily know the crimes as well as they do.
LeeSomeone like Manson or, you know, the Yorkshire Ripper or.
AdamBut they do it they do it very well.
AdamI think they because they always do it from a they always tend to do it from the the investigation side.
AdamSo rather than, oh, we'll just do two episodes of a bloke.
Adamreally viciously killing people, and then we'll punt the investigation.
AdamSo you get it's the investigation that uncovers things rather than your shown any of the grizzly details.
AdamBut you're not spared those grizzly details because they are described, because basically, yeah.
AdamAnd just David Tennant in in full Glaswegian accent, sitting there going, there's a few more bodies, 15 or 16.
AdamAnd it's just.
AdamIt's it's very sort of dead, you know, calm.
AdamThe way it's and it's uh, yeah.
AdamBut it's um, there's um, Daniel Mayes is in it as the main investigating officer.
AdamAnd um, oh, Jason, oh, what is his name?
AdamUm, the Hoyty Toyty from uh Psychoville, play plays uh Brian Masters, the author of Killing for uh Killing for Company, which is what this drama is based on.
AdamUh, which is just that's a that's kind of like a.
AdamCertainly a British true crime classic that book.
ChrisKilling for company.
AdamKilling for Company.
AdamBecause basically what would happen was his Nilsen uh Nilsen would kill men and then.
Adamkind of in a parallel bit to Jeffrey Dahmer, he would um basically he'd sit sometimes he'd sit up with them and watch the TV and have a conversation with them.
AdamSo he was kind of it was it was to do with his essential sort of like, yeah.
Adamlike it's almost like having a relationship.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut I think he only really was interested when they were dead.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo and yeah.
AdamSo I'm going to I'm going to count that as horror watching.
AdamCertainly.
AdamBut I genuinely, yeah, it's it's really it's really well done and it's not.
Adamsort of it's not sensationalist, I suppose, is the best way.
AdamYou don't see anything done.
AdamYou know, and it's quite respectful in that way.
Adamthat this is actually this is real people we're dealing with.
AdamAnd, you know, um.
AdamBut yeah, and it just gets across.
AdamThe absolute heart of Nilsen that he was just a prick.
ChrisHmm.
AdamYeah.
AdamJust just a tip, he was just he was that annoying bloke.
ChrisYeah.
AdamSo, yeah, and then.
AdamYeah, they do do that very well.
AdamBut yeah, that is and that's all the weather.
LeeSo.
LeeExcellent.
LeeUm.
AdamHave you watched anything, Lee?
LeeUh, I have actually, I watched a couple of things.
LeeUm, I watched Headless Horseman from 2007.
ChrisOh, yeah.
LeeAnd I.
ChrisIs this your your project to try and find all of the headless horseman films that exist?
LeeYeah.
LeeI I think I've achieved it, and I think there are three.
AdamSo Sleepy Hollow, um, this one, and The Hollow, which I watched last week.
LeeYeah.
LeeAnd The Hollow, which I watched.
LeeWhich I mentioned last week.
LeeUm, yeah, and then like there's there's lots of uh animated versions of um.
LeeUh, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and stuff.
LeeBut yeah, there isn't really an awful lot of the films.
LeeUm, but went back and rewatched this one, because I I seem to remember quite enjoying it, but on IMDB it's got a 3.8.
LeeWhich is shocking.
ChrisThat's impressive.
LeeYeah, but it genuinely like it isn't a terrible film.
LeeLike.
ChrisIt's just nothing particularly.
LeeYeah, nothing really stands out about it.
LeeUm.
AdamAnd there's no big names, I'm assuming or.
LeeNo.
LeeNo, no big I think the shop owner is the only guy I recognize and he isn't in it an awful lot.
LeeUm, but the the actual the effects and stuff of the Headless Horseman are really quite good.
LeeSo I was surprised how much I how much I appreciated that going in.
LeeBut I mean, it's a it's a really super low budget film.
LeeUm, but the the headless horseman himself is fairly convincing and then his head does kind of regrow, so that starts off like kind of meaty tendrils and then turns up.
LeeEvery time he kills someone and drops their head into this well effectively, his head grows a bit more.
AdamOh, like Hellraiser sort of like he's reconstituting himself or something.
LeeExactly, but for a super low budget film.
LeeI I found it pretty well done really, considering.
LeeUm, but yeah, so so I totally enjoyed it.
LeeSo Headless Horseman from 2007 is uh I wouldn't pay a I wouldn't pay a lot for it.
LeeBut if you see it somewhere, you know, for a few dollars, it's worth picking up.
LeeIt's it's an enjoyable hour and a half.
LeeIt's nice and short and it's.
LeeYeah, if you're in if you're if you're fine with.
LeeI think the problem is, as we've said before.
LeeI think people watch films like uh, you know, like the Avengers movies and then watch a low budget horror and go, oh, that looked like dog shit.
LeeIt's like, well.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah, it cost next to nothing.
AdamYeah.
LeeMade for what people can beg and borrow really.
LeeUm, so it it's a good film and it's enjoyable, but it it's it's constraint is that it is a low budget film, but yeah.
LeeIt's good, I enjoyed it.
ChrisSo what's what's the order of of Headless Horseman movies like what's the best to the worst out of the three?
LeeI I love Sleepy Hollow.
LeeUm.
LeeWhich maybe, maybe on our list of films to come before we reach.
LeeWe did have we mentioned it before.
LeeWe did have a list of films to reach to do before we reached 100.
LeeUm, but that we but it's now pushing to about 106 or 107.
LeeUm, because we've put too many films in there.
LeeBut it it may be in that list, so we may be covering it in the not too distant future.
AdamI I would think also the um, it's I now feel that it's a monster we need to cover.
AdamOr a tradition we need to cover, you know.
AdamWhen when you've done when you've done the big hitters, when you've done vampires, werewolves.
AdamYou know, Frankensteins.
AdamZombies, you know, which we haven't done, I don't think, actually.
LeeWhat, zombies?
AdamNo.
LeeNo, I just find them a little for me, they're my least favorite of the kind of sub genres, and it's just been done to death.
AdamI think it's.
AdamBut I think I think we need I think just we at some point, whatever happens, I think we need to.
Adamuh expose Chris to some Romero dead.
LeeOh, definitely.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah, that does seem like it should be there.
LeeI'm not.
LeeI'm not the biggest fan.
LeeBut yeah, they're they're classics.
LeeAnd if you're going to do zombies, it kind of has to be well.
AdamSee the.
AdamThe trouble is I think to myself I think to myself because you've got obviously Night of the Living Dead, which if which if anything because of its copyright issues is worth knowing because you will just see it in so many other horror films.
AdamPeople are always watching Night of the Living Dead.
AdamUm, but there's also a part of me that thinks we should we should do Land of the Dead just because of um.
AdamI've been thinking about the fact that Dennis Hopper essentially plays Donald Trump in it.
ChrisOh.
LeeAnd it's the one that's similar.
Adambefore that existed.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah, no, that's a good call.
LeeUm, but on that note, saying about Sleepy Hollow then.
AdamYeah.
LeePossibly for our next film, as we are heading into the Halloween season.
AdamYes.
AdamYes.
AdamA time for it's all autumnal leaves and time for ghost ghost chilling the hell films.
LeeExactly.
LeeUm, yeah, so so for the next film, we'll announce it now, so for next week we'll do um Sleepy Hollow.
AdamSleepy ass.
AdamYeah.
LeeExcellent.
AdamYeah, I'd like for that, I ain't seen that in fucking years.
LeeI have, watch it very.
ChrisI I have to I have to come clean.
ChrisI didn't care.
ChrisI didn't watch it at the cinema and I remember liking it, but I don't remember the details.
AdamThat's it's there's never a worry to return.
AdamI I think now, Chris, you're very much you're a schooled man now.
ChrisYes.
LeeYes. I think that's the thing as well, it'd be interesting to see, so, going from somebody who didn't really know horror particularly and just picked up on the kind of very mainstream stuff that everyone was watching, going from that to somebody who's got a real knowledge of the genre in general and going back and rewatching those films.
LeeYeah, I'd be interesting to see if you have a different take on it.
LeeUm, yeah.
LeeSo we can we can explore that next week.
ChrisSounds good.
LeeBloody exciting.
AdamWhat's happening this week?
LeeBut this week, right now, right here, right now.
LeeWe have just watched Sinister.
LeeSo.
LeeChris, what did you make of uh 2012's Sinister?
ChrisWell.
ChrisWhat I will say is it is definitely not a comedy.
ChrisNow, two wise people notified me of that fact last week and it's true.
ChrisThere is nothing comedic about this.
ChrisNow, given that, given that little hint, I thought, right.
ChrisThat's it.
ChrisI'm I'm taking this one really serious.
ChrisI'm not drinking anything.
ChrisI'm I'm going in full on sober.
ChrisI'm sitting in my dark cupboard.
ChrisAll the lights are off.
ChrisI'm at the other end of the house.
ChrisThere's no one around.
ChrisThat's it and I'm going for it and it it was it was a serious that was an experience, right?
ChrisNow, I can actually say.
AdamYeah, I know he was because I definitely watched it with the lights on.
ChrisAnyone who wants that, go and get it now.
ChrisAnyone who hasn't seen this seriously, like that.
ChrisI'd want to say quickly there.
ChrisI think, I think and I haven't fully processed it.
ChrisI think there were a few bits that I'm not sure about that I could criticize maybe, but.
ChrisJust it was so just so well done.
ChrisSo much of it so good.
Christhat I just didn't even care.
ChrisI was like, I'm not even going to try and think about that too much.
ChrisIt's like this scene is unbelievable.
ChrisThe next scene is unbelievable.
ChrisIt is just building and building and I was like, what.
ChrisAm I going to be able to handle the next scene, this is.
ChrisLike I could actually feel it was that sense of this is actual fear.
Chrisstarting to appear.
LeeThat's terrible.
ChrisAnd that has not happened.
LeeThat's terrible.
ChrisOh.
ChrisOh.
ChrisOh.
ChrisNo, no, wait, because the so at the very start, I was like, it's Ethan Hawke, now I liked Ethan Hawke, but is that going to take away from the, you know, is that going to break the spell?
ChrisAnd it it it didn't like it possibly did, but in a way that made it a bearable film.
ChrisIf if it had been an unknown actor, I might have actually thought what what reality is overtaking me here.
LeeWow.
ChrisNow, also, I don't know if you noticed, but my son looks quite like the boy in this, he's got hair exactly the same length.
LeeI noticed it on this one actually, I was like.
ChrisAnd and.
ChrisAnd I was like, where is it going to take like what is he going to do?
ChrisAnd you know, I don't want to spoil it right now.
ChrisBut it's it's right there, it's all on the edge and it's like this is going somewhere and it could be bad, and it was.
ChrisBut it wasn't him that was bad, but they again, you know, his role in it was fantastic.
ChrisLike and especially because even even my son's had night terrors and my daughter.
ChrisSo it's like, yeah, I know all about that that is a very, very worrying thing to deal with at the time.
ChrisBecause you're like, what is going on, you know, they don't see it.
ChrisSo yeah, that in fact that's what they really did so well in this, I think, was the the the family dynamic during the day where they're arguing and the way that interplays with his writing and what he's going through and he's obviously trying to hide things and they're arguing and they've both got points.
ChrisAnd it's like.
ChrisAnd it's like they're both struggling to try and support each other, but really finding it difficult, um, yeah, just so well done.
ChrisUnbelievable, like the dialogue fantastic.
ChrisYou know, just the shots when when it gets dark and and you know, there's a scene.
LeeIt's really.
LeeYeah.
LeeReally horrific.
LeeAnd the scares were.
ChrisYeah, right.
ChrisThe jump scares, they built they built for so long for that first jump scare and I think and the first jump scare was a thump, I think.
ChrisI wrote that down, I'm sure.
ChrisAnd it was like again they waited for ages for that and yet still didn't overplay it at that point.
ChrisIt was like it's still subtle enough.
ChrisBut yeah.
Chriswhere it was going.
AdamIt doesn't it does have jump scares, but there's they don't like you say, they haven't really amped up the soundtrack too much on them.
ChrisNo.
AdamThere's you know, it's there and obviously it'll be period of silence.
AdamNoise.
AdamBut it's not.
ChrisIt didn't feel tacky.
ChrisAt any point it felt like such a nice build.
ChrisLike the sound design was fantastic.
ChrisThe music, the different sort of music and the weird voices and just.
ChrisUnbelievable.
AdamThere is a part of me that thinks I could probably watch this with my eyes closed.
ChrisRight.
AdamBut I don't reckon I don't reckon I'd last.
AdamI'd wimp at some point, I think, after my eyes.
AdamBut.
AdamI like you say, it's weird that this is essentially you've got like, it's like a domestic drama.
ChrisYeah.
AdamMore than anything, other than a horror film.
ChrisYeah.
AdamThat's the other main component of it.
ChrisBut they do both so well together.
AdamI also forgot how few people are in it, for some reason I just you you just assume a cast of like a bigger cast or something like that.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut it's literally the family and three extraneous characters.
AdamAnd then everything else is like newscasters and things like that, but basically, yeah, it's.
AdamIt's the family, the sheriff at the beginning and the start, Deputy so and so and the professor from the university.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisAnd and until the very end where they do show some more, but that yeah, that's it's just the final sort of parts.
ChrisThey've got the younger actors.
AdamWho apparently fucking loved doing this.
ChrisYeah. Yeah.
AdamYeah, apparently they were like really they apparently they were inconsolable when they finished because they just had such a great time.
AdamBut also they apparently when they all first got together, they were like, so what did you do?
AdamOh, yeah, I drowned mine.
AdamAll right.
AdamWhat did you do?
ChrisOh.
AdamI slid in the trunk.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd they were just like really sort of like, this is so cool, this is the best thing we've ever been asked to do.
ChrisThat that reminded me the element of the way that he's trying to hide his his career from his children, but obviously it's impossible to do it completely.
ChrisAnd the.
ChrisThe way you imagine like that.
ChrisThat you find out some of the things.
ChrisAnd I wonder because I was actually immediately fascinated.
ChrisWhen I saw it was Ethan Hawke, I was like, okay.
ChrisWell, that's good and bad, but yeah, I find, let's see what happens.
ChrisAnd then he's first interaction with the sheriff was so good the way it was like, okay, you've just unveiled exactly what this is about, but I am so fascinated to know what you're going to show.
ChrisLike, what is the behind the scenes of a true crime writer, who's now moved into a house where a crime happened and and the impact of that on the community, like that was such a good sort of premise.
ChrisAnd yeah, the setup was fantastic.
ChrisI was like, okay, I really want to know.
ChrisAnd I'm not really into true crime.
ChrisI'm mean I could say.
AdamExactly, yeah.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisBut it just it was like, okay, this is yeah, I just really want to see what's going to happen.
ChrisUm, and having no idea how it was going to unfold, thinking it was then a true crime story, of course.
AdamYeah, yeah.
AdamOh, right.
AdamOkay.
AdamOh, so you weren't sure if it was going supernatural.
ChrisOh, I had no idea at that point.
ChrisIt was like, okay, yeah, this is a true.
ChrisOkay, fair enough.
ChrisThat's why.
ChrisBut he's just it called Sinister and the the cover looks a little more than true crime.
AdamYeah.
ChrisBut I just think they did that so well that it was just not obvious what was going to happen.
AdamYeah.
LeeI think I think that's the thing that got me with this film, because because it did so well mainstream, I watch it for ages.
LeeBecause I was like, it's something in the mainstream.
LeeThat means chances are it's probably rubbish.
LeeAnd I know that sounds like a snobby thing to say.
AdamThey're going to play it.
AdamExactly, the reason I didn't see it for ages.
AdamAnd personally, who introduced it to me was former uh former guest, Drew, I think he got it for me for Christmas or like your birthday or something like that.
AdamAnd um, yeah.
AdamThat's when I finally put it in, watched it and I was like, wow.
AdamThis is actually.
LeeIncredible.
LeeIt has passed.
AdamIt passes the sort of group of films that it's of the era of.
AdamYou know.
AdamI mean, I like Insidious.
AdamI actually like the first Insidious, I've not I don't I don't think I've seen any of the others.
AdamBut the first Insidious is pretty good.
AdamAnd um, I've not seen any of Paranormal Activity, but that's kind of like they're they're the sort of.
AdamSinister and Insidious and those and The Purge are probably like, well, they're all Blumhouse, anyway.
AdamThey're all Jason Blum films.
AdamUm, but yeah, I think they're very uh this is something different to those.
AdamThere's just something whether it's what the director's doing, what the writer's doing or something.
AdamBut it what, I mean, fucking hell.
AdamThere you go, that's there's critical analysis for you.
AdamI don't know if it's what the director's doing or the writer's doing, but they're doing something and it's done it right.
LeeIf this is your first episode, go and listen to our previous episodes.
LeeThere's lots of that type of insight throughout.
AdamBut um, the the director Scott Derrickson did um.
AdamDoctor Strange.
ChrisHmm.
AdamUm, Hellraiser Inferno.
LeeOh, which we've mentioned.
Leebefore, as we haven't seen, but he's really good.
AdamWhich is really good film noir detective one.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo again, you know, it's in that same sort of area or anything.
AdamAnd the Exorcism of Emily Rose.
AdamOh, and the the.
LeeOh, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, I've got I saw it at the cinema.
LeeI think.
AdamI'm sure I saw it with you.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm, but yeah, I quite enjoyed that as I remember.
AdamIt was it was okay.
AdamUm, and he did the uh Davey Earth Still remake.
LeeOh, okay.
AdamAnd he's got an upcoming film, Bermuda, which is a Bermuda Triangle film.
AdamWe ain't have one of them for a fucking while.
LeeNo, we haven't.
AdamThey.
ChrisSee that's funny.
ChrisI I wouldn't rush towards that.
AdamI know what you mean.
AdamI'm just.
AdamIt's just a terrible sense of nostalgia I've got because it's like every other week in the 80s.
Adamthere would be shown a Bermuda Triangle like film, made for TV movie from the 70s in America.
LeeBut the thing is what.
Leewhat route are they going to go down, is it going to be another dimension, is it going to be aliens, is it going to be like.
LeeAnd that's that's the thing with stuff like that, like that's based on real life, because say real life, quote unquote.
LeeBut because there's no actual explanation as to why it's quite as mental as it is supposedly, you don't know what what line that film's going to take.
LeeSo like it might go with, oh well, you know, that's where aliens have ducked people from, or it might go for, well, that's where you cross into another dimension.
LeeSo that film could be literally anything, you have no idea.
AdamWell, and I and I like it and having having rewatched Sinister.
AdamI'm very much in a mood where, yeah, I'll give it a while.
ChrisI absolutely would watch anything that he does.
LeeYeah.
LeeDerrickson's really good at the moment.
ChrisBut and also, so because that did make me think what you were just saying there.
ChrisAbout what angle are they going to take, supernatural or aliens, and then and then at very, the very first bit where it started to go supernatural in this.
ChrisI I did have a slight disappointment because I felt like they'd done such a good job.
ChrisOf making it feel like I'm watching something, you know, almost real.
ChrisUm, and then it was like, oh, I feel like I don't like trying to blend the two.
ChrisLike that.
ChrisUm, but yeah, no, absolutely, he he just pulled it off.
AdamI think that's I think that's the point with it, really.
AdamIs that you it gives you enough of everyone that you know.
AdamYou you're in the situation.
ChrisHmm, yeah.
AdamAnd I mean, he's not I can only call him Ethan Hawke, but um, he's he's not.
ChrisOh, Ellison.
AdamYeah, he's not the he's not that likable.
AdamAnd he.
AdamDo you know what I mean, it's like, yeah, but you do you have bullshitted your misses.
AdamAnd you have uprooted everyone.
ChrisBut.
LeeBut.
ChrisBut wait, so so the only thing like how difficult if if you really, you know, you found something that you're potentially good at, but it requires that level of anti-social um commitment, so it's like and you know your wife hates it really, but she is trying to support you.
ChrisAnd obviously you do.
ChrisBoth want the money because they they do bring that.
Chrisin when he's watching the interview and he's like, you know, when he gets into the idea, I really want a family and I didn't expect this.
LeeIt's like that it's like that idea that like he'd done so well and almost touched greatness and didn't quite.
LeeHe's like.
LeeYeah, he's he's kind of hanging on to it.
ChrisJust got to do that.
LeeThat little bit more, and the fact that she's the same.
LeeAnd she's like, no, no, I totally support you.
LeeAnd then when he pushes her, she's like, but if you fucked this up, I'm going to tell you to fuck off and you're never going to see us again.
LeeLike.
LeeYeah, that that is.
LeeIt's that kind of pressure that put on him so, yeah, you you do kind of feel for him because he's like, I'm I'm that close.
LeeI've been that close and now I feel I'm actually going to do it, but am I really going to put everything on the line?
LeeWhen she gives him that kind of an ultimatum.
ChrisHmm.
LeeIt's like.
AdamIt's also there's one bit where and I think I think it's I think she says to him.
AdamBut there's just one bit where she just goes it's like, essentially, are you sure you just didn't peek with that book?
ChrisHmm.
AdamLike try and be realistic about it, you had a big hit, is that what you're now known for?
ChrisHmm.
AdamAnd you can kind of but so it's like, but so there is a bit of like, it's the arrogance of it in a weird way where it's like, this is all going fucking hell in a hand cart.
AdamBut.
AdamPotentially, I've found like this series of murders that no one's noticed is connected and it's like, you know, it's going to be.
AdamBecause because clearly that when they talk when him and the sheriff are talking, because the big hit is apparently Kentucky blood.
ChrisHmm.
AdamThey they all sound right as well, which I really like.
AdamKentucky blood.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah.
AdamJust abstract enough that it'd be like.
AdamAnd but yeah, but it's obviously he's also like turns the case around or something like that or he's he's something.
ChrisHe found something that the police had missed.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd so the police don't exactly particularly like him.
AdamAnd then because then he says to him, it's like, yeah, but uh Colt Denver Morning.
AdamWhich is the book he did afterwards and apparently and again, it's all implied, but basically you get the impression so he tried the same thing and fucked up.
ChrisYeah.
LeeIt feels so real, like it feels like, oh, right, so the police only, you know, they're limited on the amount of time they can spend on this.
LeeIf I can spend three years, I can probably pick something new up.
LeeDo it on a whim, the first time and it works and you go, right.
LeeThat's my niche.
AdamYou think you're the investigator.
ChrisYeah.
Leeand totally just miss fire.
LeeLike it it feels so genuine.
ChrisBut and even like his relationship with Deputy so and so where it starts off and he's obviously like he's got his ego and he's like, oh, yeah, you know, you're not he's thinking, you're not really going to help me.
ChrisAnd then deputy's saying, oh, I know a bit about criminology, I studied this and that and then they start to perform the relationship.
ChrisAnd then it starts to turn where obviously as things are happening, it's like, well, now I sort of need you as a, you know, a friend.
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's that thing of he obviously just thinks, well, you'll be quite a good gopher.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd then actually it's like shit, this, you know, he really does contribute.
AdamAnd that's when he sort of draws him in.
AdamI also love the fact there's they mentioned the they mentioned another book, which I'm assuming is the one that comes after Cole Denver Morning.
AdamAnd it's called Blood Diner.
AdamAnd I'm like, yeah, so the second book was mared in controversy, it fucked up, you were in disgrace, the third book, fuck it, we're just going for broke.
AdamWe call it Blood Diner and it all the Gorehounds will be in.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYou know, it's sort of it's quite nice that you've gone down that sort of.
AdamList of classy true crime titles to bludgeoned or like.
LeeAnd that's what I love, like everything about this just works so well as we've said, you know, it's it's a really solid film and you know, all the performances and everything.
LeeJust work to such a degree.
LeeAnd everybody's performances are believable.
LeeThat they're the family dynamic, the dynamic with the people from outside.
LeeYeah.
LeeJust everything about this is has just been so well formulated.
LeeThat it just it works.
AdamAgain, not sort of.
AdamAgain sort of for some reason not saying modern classic.
AdamBut.
AdamIt does kind of remind me of Nigel Neil.
LeeHmm.
AdamLike it's like one of his scripts, it's like the Stone Tape or something like that, it really, you know, or if you get the opportunity, watch like Beasts, like his um anthology series he did.
AdamWhich is kind of like a sort of a harsher Tails of the Unexpected, essentially.
AdamUm.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamIt has that sort of a feel to it and but with the the thing I love with it.
AdamI mean, obviously the whole reason we watched it now was because I was talking about Christopher Young, uh, the composer on Drag Me to Hell.
AdamYeah.
AdamWho's also previously done.
Adamdid Hellraiser like the big big theme on Hellraiser.
AdamLike huge orchestral things.
AdamThis apparently was his first all electronic score.
ChrisHmm.
AdamAnd it's like it's I mean, it's so much of it is sort of borders into sound design.
AdamAnd.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
AdamBut I have to say one of the smartest things feels to me.
AdamIs that all the the movies have their own themes of and they're like electronic music that's already been created.
AdamThey weren't created for the film, so you've got like Over um.
AdamSomeone I two I mean, I discovered Asquith's Manor because of Sinister because they that's like one of the that's one of the tracks on there.
AdamAnd there's Sono and Boris.
Adamuh Bold of Canada, which is that end music as well, but also I I forgot that it comes into it when he decides to.
Adamuh stop, pack up and go.
AdamAnd it's.
AdamAnd it's just.
AdamMetronomic sort of this is absolutely incredible.
LeeI mean, over are a band worth mentioning as well.
LeeSo.
LeeSo are they Norwegian?
AdamThey are Norwegian.
AdamYeah, he's um, over I I think just means wolves.
LeeYeah.
AdamWolves.
LeeBut but Over have done.
LeeThey've done so many albums.
LeeBut as a as a black metal fan.
LeeYeah, they've done I I think they did two black metal albums, but they're they're exceptional.
LeeLike for as a black metal fan, they are held right up there in the echelons of classic albums.
LeeUm, and then.
AdamYeah, there's like the third one's kind of the.
AdamCross out one sort of thing.
LeeBut like their black metal stuff is so on point, it it holds up with true black metal.
LeeLike it's.
AdamWell that that was another thing, I mean that sort of bleeds across where they because they found the design of.
Adamuh the um Boogle or boogoo.
AdamUm.
AdamOr Mr. Boogey that they keep calling him, but I think that's it.
AdamUm.
LeeThey call him that.
LeeIn the second one as well.
LeeYeah, I can't get on with that, really.
AdamBut apparently they just they ended up putting what was it, they just searched horror in Flicker.
AdamLike the app.
AdamAnd they just and they just went through that until they found an image that they quite liked.
AdamCalled Natalie.
Adamthat was the the image.
AdamUm.
AdamBut um, also like I say, they they were quite into it because of it looking a bit corpse painting as well.
LeeSo Corpse painting.
LeeI do make a note of that.
LeeActually, it looks yeah, it's got that black metal look to it, which is the thing.
LeeLike I I think that was why it worked for me, like as I say, like it it kind of caught me off guard.
LeeBecause I thought it was just going to be another, you know.
LeeRun of the mill mainstream horror film.
LeeYeah, and it's just something about that character that's just sinister as fuck.
LeeAnd I I think I think that 70s kind of cine film look.
LeeDefinitely helps with that.
AdamActually, I think I don't know, funny enough, basically this is my excuse to say, have you seen the trailer for Dune?
LeeThe new Dune.
LeeThat's coming out.
LeeYes, yes, yes.
LeeMaybe five or six times.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd obviously they've got Pink Floyd track on there.
LeeIt sounds.
LeeIt's terrible because it is that very, um, formulaic, let's take a a song that's popular, get someone of the opposite sex to sing it, slow it down.
LeeAnd that works for every trailer that's come out in the last five years.
LeeBut it really.
LeeIt really works.
AdamBecause I think I think it's Hans Zimmer has done done that as well.
AdamSo I don't know if that's actually.
Adamgoing to be part of.
AdamThe thing.
AdamBut it made me think because uh Yowski was going to make June quite famously.
LeeDid you watch the documentary after all, Lee?
LeeNo, I still haven't watched the original or the documentary, but I hopefully going to watch them both tomorrow.
AdamBrilliant.
AdamGet.
AdamTrey on that.
AdamUm, but one of the things he was going to do.
AdamBecause obviously you've got like the two different houses, you've got uh the Harkonen and the Atraydies and Jodorowski had this idea where he was going to have um the Harkonen's planet designed by Giga.
ChrisHmm.
AdamAnd someone entirely different was going to do House of Tradies so that they would look completely different.
AdamBut he was going to also score them with two different bands, he wanted to get Pink Floyd to score a tradies and the French prog band Magma to do the Harkonens.
ChrisHmm.
AdamAnd I wonder, is there something to be said for that's another thing that works with those little film segments?
Chriswould give such a different feel to it.
AdamIs that choice of it's like, right, we have an overall sound design for this and an overall composer for this.
AdamBut for just these segments, you get someone entirely different minds.
Chriswould give such a.
AdamTo give the separate as well.
LeeThe second film has the same as well.
LeeIt it's got that I don't know if that's also.
AdamSo.
LeeI should.
AdamNo, but apparently they have gone and got another load of uh sort of stuff from similar like dark ambient bands and things like that.
AdamThere was one, weirdly enough, there was a band I got into just because I'd read they were on the Sinister Two soundtrack.
LeeHmm.
AdamI didn't even see the film but I got into the I got into them because of that.
AdamBut yeah, I'm going to have to give Sinister Two a go then, I reckon.
ChrisI'm going to watch.
LeeI really think so.
LeeLike as a as a sequel goes, it's really solid, it's really good, it's it works perfectly.
LeeIt's got the same kind of misdirection at the beginning, um, yeah, and then it's got it's got.
LeeYeah, it it works really well.
LeeIt's a fantastic film.
LeeIt's beautifully shot, everyone in it's fantastic.
LeeAll the actors are really good.
LeeYeah, the sound design is phenomenal.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt totally works, but as I say, it doesn't have the initial buildup.
LeeBecause you know you know the world that you're stepping into.
LeeSo it kicks straight in with it and doesn't mess around and goes straight into the kind of parallel.
LeeI suppose it's kind of parallel universe.
LeeUm, yeah, where it's kind of blending the two.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's it's really, really good.
LeeI I was surprised.
LeeI I watched it thinking it was going to be a second rate version of the first one because the story doesn't seem to have anywhere that it can continue.
LeeBut.
AdamYes.
LeeIf you look if you look at the story, yeah, the idea is that it will always continuate.
LeeAnd therefore.
LeeYeah, and it it follows that.
LeeAnd it's really good.
LeeAnd Paul Schrader, I expect, well, that.
LeeYeah, that might be a touchy subject.
LeeBut yeah, it's definitely well worth.
LeeChecking out, it's it's a fantastic film.
LeeIt's well worth spending your time on.
LeeAnd it's an unusual again for for a film that's so mainstream.
LeeYou kind of just assume it's just a cash in and they've just yeah.
LeeThey're trying to make their money back.
LeeBut genuinely, it's a really good film.
AdamWell.
LeeI think it's also that thing if you've enjoyed if you've had.
LeeIf you've enjoyed it by the first one, then you'll be able to enjoy it by the second one.
AdamYeah.
AdamIf you've enjoyed if if you've enjoyed the world they've created, the fact that they continue in that world is always much more interesting.
AdamThen, well, should we do the same thing again with some different people or.
LeeI know it brings it, it's got that.
LeeWe've said before with um Gilmo del Toro.
LeeWhere he's got that ability to create a a character who you hate so much, you're kind of spitting venom the whole time they're on screen.
LeeThey managed to do that.
LeeAs well.
ChrisHmm.
Leestory, yeah, and there's a guy in it who you just vehemently hate from the first minute he's on screen.
LeeAnd you very kind of, you know, kind of aggressively towards him, and that's his character.
LeeAnd he's.
AdamHe's a prig, isn't he?
LeeHe's a prick.
AdamYeah.
LeeAnd that's pretty much it.
LeeIt was very.
AdamI think it's.
AdamIt's also it's quite good that it's also it's had the right effect all three of us have uh you know.
LeeWhat goes.
LeeIt goes in and.
LeeIn and out.
LeeMy Arsenal was.
Leewatching Sinister.
ChrisWe had full appreciation.
LeeYeah, it.
LeeYeah, and I'm glad we've I'm glad we've scared you, Chris.
ChrisYeah, yeah, yes, I think I think this is, you know, this has been the top, it just it just got it right.
LeeYeah.
LeeWow.
LeeAnd again, for for a film that's yeah, that's kind of not flown under the radar.
LeeBut you wouldn't put it in your top ten films or whatever of you know.
LeeUm, most well-known horror films.
LeeShould we say?
LeeWell, wouldn't you put it on the list?
LeeWhen you put it on the list.
LeeIt was just, yeah.
LeeIt was just.
AdamThere was no.
AdamOh, that's interesting.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah, no, we should.
LeeWhen it's.
LeePresent clear.
ChrisSo did did Claire watch this?
LeeNo.
AdamNo.
LeeFair enough.
LeeIt'll be a.
LeeA few years from now.
AdamI was going to say I think.
AdamConsidering that we've all unanimously said.
LeeOh, that.
LeeThat's how.
ChrisYeah.
LeeWe're going to examine Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow.
LeeThank you.
LeeOkay.
LeeBut yes.
LeeIt's a great film.
LeeI love a Sleepy.
LeeYes.
LeeThank you very much for listening and good night.
AdamGood night.
LeeGood night.
