The Fly
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It’s atomic-age horror, with the original 1958 version of “The Fly”! A film in which a cat is dispersed into the ether; a common fly is dipped in Tipp-Ex to secure a starring role; and we see the world’s biggest lawn chair. Along the way we discuss “Saint Maud”, horror games reviewed by YouTuber Daz Black, “Xtro”, “Southland Tales” and the original BBC version of “Quatermass and The Pit”. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES -CURRENT QUARANTINE MEASURES MEANT WE HAD TO RECORD THIS EPISODE REMOTELY.
God gives us intelligence to uncover the wonders of nature. Without the gift, nothing is possible
Famous lines
- "Once it was human... even as you and I!"
- "The search for the truth is the most important work in the whole world — and the most dangerous"— Francois Delambre
- "Help! Help me! Please help me! Help me!"— The Fly
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LeeGood evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeYay.
LeeUh, and we're here again, yet again remotely, uh, yet again in lockdown, uh, to cover Adam's birthday choice.
AdamHey.
LeeUm, sneaky bastard did ask for two, but we'll cover that at the end of the episode.
Chrisdoes that mean this is this is another one that you're not too keen on?
LeeOh, no, no, I well.
ChrisNo, you
Leewe'll we'll cover that. This film I like.
ChrisIt's
LeeVincent Price.
ChrisYeah, well that's it. I was thinking you probably would like it.
LeeYeah, daft as buggery. This is, yeah, this is one of my.
LeeThis is one of, you know when you're up late and you're drunk and you're like, it's one o'clock in the morning, I should know better and act my age and go to bed, but I'm not going to, I'm going to put a daft movie on. This is one of those daft movies.
AdamOh, yeah.
AdamAnd it's one of those ones that you stick on and then curiously get wrapped up in.
LeeYeah.
AdamAs well, do you know what I mean?
LeeIt's
LeeAnd then you watch return of the Fly and then everyone's like, what do you mean you didn't go to bed until 5:00 AM? How old are you? What do you mean you're on your own drinking and watching the Fly, you idiot?
AdamUm, yeah, yeah, but then we'll we we should also come to return of the Fly as well, because.
AdamI, having, because I totally uh, immediate admission.
AdamSo, watched the Fly and then the next night I did watch return of the Fly because I was like,
AdamI've got them in a DVD box from about 2000.
AdamAnd I realized that I probably watched return of the Fly when I bought it, and that was it.
AdamSo I was like, I've got to re-watch return of the Fly and I suspect that's where most people get the Fly from, really.
LeeYeah.
AdamBecause it's a lot more
Adamwell, we'll get to it, but it's a lot more monster movie Yeah, than this one is kind of, yeah. Um, yeah, so we will be discussing the 1958, uh, Vincent Price the Fly, uh, but before we get to that.
LeeYeah, I was going to mention some of that.
LeeAdam, have you seen anything horror in the last seven days?
AdamWell, apart from Ted doing a psychedelic yodel down Clare's cleavage, yeah, which which which is always a way to round off a Saturday.
AdamUm, uh, actually, yes, I've watched loads of shit, not just return of the Fly, which I'm considering that's part of the assignment for this week.
AdamUm, but
AdamYeah, I watched, um, I got round to, I got the Arrow Blu-ray of Southland Tales, which is not quite horror, horror Jason, definitely sci-fi.
AdamAnd again, from the director of Donnie Darko and basically the film that then cripples his career, um, but I I still like it and find it a fascinating film.
AdamAnd you've and it's one and it's just also so distractingly full of big name people, that where it's obviously like, oh, this is the guy who's done Donnie Darko.
AdamRight, I want to be in this film.
AdamAnd then it's like half the cast of Saturday Night Live, um, the bloke from American Pie, the Rock,
Adamuh,
AdamSarah Michelle Gellar.
AdamAnd just, yeah,
Leedistraction,
Adamdistracting.
Leelike, I remember.
LeeIs the only thing I remember about that film is just Justin Timberlake just turning on a song for no reason whatsoever.
AdamYeah, and not even one of his own.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt was, yeah, mines to the Killers.
AdamBut it's just, yeah, it is such a fucking bizarre film and I know Chris is a Donnie Darko fan.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAs indeed
Adamany right-minded person should be. Um, but I wondered, have you ever seen it, Chris?
ChrisNo. No.
AdamLike I say, well, well worth checking out, but you will have to carve out
ChrisBe
Adambasically two and a half hours.
AdamAnd there's the very distinct possibility you'll just go, what?
AdamBut, um, but yeah,
Chrisit needs
Adamto be seen.
AdamIt does need to be seen, yeah, especially because like I say, because it's Richard Kelly who did Donnie Darko.
AdamAnd it's also really good because it's it's weird because although uh Dwayne Johnson being in it, it's kind of just before that was a big thing.
ChrisOh, okay.
AdamAnd it's so it's you know, it seems quite natural that he's like, but he's actually not, he plays a very, best way to describe, he plays quite a Jack Burton sort of character in it.
AdamYou know, it's like he he's meant to be an actor who plays like who's like a sort of army, like tough guy roles and stuff like that.
AdamAnd actually he's just a bit of a coward and a bit of an idiot.
AdamAnd, uh, yeah.
AdamIt's but it's really, yeah, it's really bizarre, very, I watching it this time around, I suddenly thought this reminds me of Terry Gilliam.
AdamWhere is that same thing of like a weird future packed with ideas and packed with like just extended weird characters.
AdamThat are sort of like, you know, it's like everyone in this film is grotesque, or is like a, is a character character rather, there's no normal people running around.
AdamEveryone is like a butting against each other.
AdamYeah, so.
AdamFrom then, from there,
AdamI watched Extra,
Adamthanks to you, Chris.
ChrisMhm.
AdamAnd, oh my God, um, yeah.
AdamThat is a fucking experience and a half.
AdamThat was just, it's someone I posted about it on Instagram.
AdamAnd someone said, what was it?
AdamIt was like, a rare bit of British exploitation.
AdamAnd I sort of see what they mean because it is it's kind of like Roger Corman.
AdamHe's sort of but like in EastEnders.
AdamAnd not just because Lou Bill gets knifed by a giant action man.
AdamWhich is, you know, I mean, it is
Adamit's also one of those films where I think I think if you were in to refer to uh the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.
AdamI think if you were like, oh, so what, RTB too can fly now.
AdamThis film has nothing on that.
AdamWhere it's like, you get you get to certain points and it's like, right, so, so he can suck his blood, but that gives him special powers.
AdamOkay, but his
Adamspecial powers are being able to bring his toys to life and create panthers at will.
AdamAnd, oh, and his special power is he can do a scream that kills people, but will only do that at the end and never tell you that he can do that.
AdamAnd, yeah.
AdamIt's fucking barmy.
AdamI loved it.
AdamI really did because it's just, yeah.
AdamWithout a shadow of a doubt, it's a lot of very good ideas were put down and then someone said, well, we could make a film.
AdamBut no one at any point went, well, how do we link these?
AdamAh, piece of piss, just write it on, it'll be fine.
AdamSo,
ChrisNow, I'm trying to remember. You said that it was me that motivated you to watch that.
AdamNo, you you you got it for me for Christmas.
ChrisDid I?
LeeOh, yes.
ChrisOh, for Christmas.
AdamYeah, you got me Night of the Creeps and Extra.
ChrisYes.
ChrisI was thinking, I was thinking I was mixing it up with your birthday.
ChrisBut, yeah.
AdamNo,
AdamI haven't watched I haven't watched that, no, I haven't watched that yet because I think there's a distinct possibility that that will be on the show one day.
ChrisOh, yeah.
AdamSo, I'm holding fire if that if that shows up.
AdamBut, um, but funnily enough, this is also, and it was weird that you hit upon those two, because they're also ones that were I was inspired to want to see them by, uh, Not For Everyone.
AdamThe Not For Everyone podcast.
ChrisOkay.
AdamBig up to Bobby and Adam go and listen to them and,
Adamyeah, they're fantastic.
AdamBut yeah, that's two films I've been watching.
ChrisSo, Night of the Creeps and Extra.
ChrisSo, I hadn't heard of Extra before this, so, yeah, okay.
ChrisIt does look quite weird.
AdamInteresting.
AdamYeah, fucking it's mad, it's weirdly gross.
AdamUm, it's like so it's inventively gross, is the way to put it.
AdamBut also, yeah, just sodding insane.
AdamAnd but the best bit is as well is I just love the fact that they apparently at the time they marketed it as, well, this is the British answer to ET.
ChrisAh, okay.
AdamAnd and I kind of see it if you think about the two countries in 1980.
AdamSo,
Adamyou've got like ET where it's all love and kindness and friendship and blah, blah, blah.
AdamUm, and then Extra turns up.
AdamAnd yeah, women give birth to fully grown men and, yeah.
AdamIt's uh it's just grimy and gruesome.
AdamIt's like,
LeeHorrible.
AdamYeah, and
Chrisa nightmare version of ET.
AdamYeah, it's like the anti-ET.
AdamSo, but yeah, so that that is brilliant.
AdamUm, uh, short one this, I re-watched the original Quatermass and the Pit, just because it's fucking brilliant.
AdamAnd got it on Blu-ray.
AdamAnd, oh my Christ.
AdamParts of it look like it was filmed today.
LeeWow.
AdamIt's so crisp and you're like, but this is from like 1950, I think it's like 59.
AdamAnd, and the best bit is is apparently on the Blu-ray, there's interviews with people in the film, in in the production. I'm like, who?
LeeWho?
AdamI don't think anyone can be alive who's in the cast of this.
AdamYou know, because it's
Adamsuch a long time ago.
AdamBut yeah, that is again, I mean, I love the Hammer version, but that's definitely the the one I really adore.
AdamAnd the black and whiteness of it is something that really adds to it, I think.
AdamIt just all the all the monstrousness is quite uh not hidden, but obscured by the darkness and everything.
AdamAnd it looks.
AdamYeah.
AdamUm, and uh rolling up, I, ending up I, uh, watched Saint Maud, which only came out last year.
AdamAnd that is a definite fucking recommend.
AdamUm, a lot of people have said, a lot of people have said about the Witch, and a lot of people have said sort of like the Lighthouse or something like that, where they, I think, where they're trying to find a
Adamreally, a dark song, if it was more widely known.
LeeThat was the impression I got from the track, because Donnie saw it.
LeeUh, when it was out when it was doing the film festival circuit, uh, and text me literally as he was walking out the screening and going,
LeeYou need to find this film as soon as it's available and watch it.
AdamUm, no, he did much the same to me as well.
AdamSo, well done, Donnie.
AdamBecause it is it is brilliant.
AdamBut it does occupy that same sort of weird thing that a dark song's got.
AdamYou know, and I this is, I mean, it's it's it's actually within the film, they talk about William Blake.
AdamAnd it's that same thing that a dark song gets right of like magical realism.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhere nothing feels outside of the realms of reality, even when they're like, it's gold showering from the ceiling or giant Roman gods and things, you know, goddesses and stuff like that.
AdamAnd this does a very good version of it, but it's basically, you know, when you read historical tales about, um, uh, saints and nuns where they're sort of like, they go into religious ecstasies and uh, become, you know, suddenly they'll only start eating gravel and die and stuff like that.
AdamAnd it's very it's in that sort of a vein, but it's updated, so it's kind because all you ever hear when you read back those things, you're just like, yeah, I think they had, you know, a serious
Adampsychotic break or some form of, you know, hallucinogenic mental illness.
AdamAnd but and so it kind of fits in those areas, but it's just so well done.
AdamAnd it's one of those ones where it'll just leave you sort of it leaves you it'll stick with you a long a few days afterwards.
AdamBut I think everything about it is just pitched right.
AdamSo everything is you it's basically readable completely as, um, someone who has, you know, who who is experiencing a psychotic episode.
AdamAnd is getting rapturous in that sense, or it could could very well be this is someone being reached by God.
AdamTo who's showing them the way.
AdamUm, not to give too much away because, yeah, it's really one worth seeing.
AdamOddly humorous in its own sort of really weird way.
AdamBut the but the but the two like main characters in it is a is a home care, um, and the woman a woman dying of terminal cancer who she's um, who she's been sent to care for.
AdamBut they sort of, they're so, both characters are so brilliantly played and brilliantly written that there is
Adamit's them they are very human, where it's like parts you think, what the fuck are you doing? And at other points you feel sorry for them.
AdamAnd, you know, everything sort of everything works on that level, but it also does have like a quite a nice little vein of humor, it knows of the parts of this that would be absurd, especially to other people.
AdamAnd, um,
Adambut yeah, it's really, yeah, definitely one worth worth checking out.
ChrisHmm.
AdamOh.
AdamAnd and remarkably brief as well, I think it's an hour and 27 minutes.
LeeOkay.
AdamWhich again, when you've got something that which is nice when you've got something with slow build, but it executes it within that time frame very well.
AdamRather than, oh, well, if we're going to do slow build, well, we'll we'll do an hour of like nothing.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd you're like, yeah, half an hour of nothing maybe, but this, you know, this gets this gets to the point pretty swiftly.
AdamUm, but yeah, yeah, definitely worth checking out.
LeeFantastic. I should be on the case with that one.
LeeUh, is that your all up today, Adam?
AdamOh, sorry, yes, and that's all the weather.
LeeYeah.
LeeChris?
ChrisYeah.
ChrisSo, so this week I've been sent uh links to a a YouTuber called Daz Black, I think his YouTube account is like Daz Games.
ChrisUm, and essentially just he plays tons of computer games and lots of them seem to be horror games.
ChrisI didn't realize there were this many horror games available, but um, I can't say I've massively kept up with gaming over the years, the sort of past you know, five years or so, but and especially, um,
Chrisso I watched loads of these. They're sort of fairly short clips and I, you know, I can kind of watch them in between work a bit without focusing too much.
ChrisBut and so, I mean, he's quite funny the way he responds in it, you know.
ChrisThere's a lot of um humor and him getting very scared and it's you know, it's quite quite entertaining.
ChrisBut um, one in particular stood out and I'm wish, well,
ChrisI'm I may see if I can get it um to try because it it was quite fascinating, really.
ChrisSo it was a a demo, um, I think it was meant to be uh, like a teaser for a Silent Hill game.
ChrisAnd so it was it was on the PlayStation 4 and um, it's called PT.
ChrisAnd in it you you're in a house and you sort of wake up and you're working your way through the house, but then as you get to certain point, it loops back around.
ChrisSo you start again almost completely, which is quite an unusual concept for a game.
LeeYeah.
ChrisAnd potentially a film.
AdamUnless you're rubbish
Chrislike me.
AdamWell, possibly yeah, you die.
ChrisSo again.
AdamStart quickly.
ChrisBut, but yeah, so but what happens is, every, you have to figure out what puzzle to solve in that sort of loop.
ChrisAnd when you solve it, then it changes slightly in the next one and so it's quite surreal as you sort of work your way through.
ChrisAnd you keep going back around, but it keeps changing and getting scarier and, you know, and certain events happen.
ChrisSo it's yeah, it's quite impressive.
LeeOh, that sounds really cool.
ChrisAnd apparently it turned out, I didn't realize, but it says that it was, um,
ChrisI think directed by Guillermo Del Toro.
AdamOh, really?
ChrisYeah.
ChrisWhich I wouldn't have recognized his name previously to us doing this podcast.
ChrisSo, you know, that was good.
ChrisUm, yeah, I think in combination with Hideo Kojima, so I'm not sure who that is. Um,
Chrisbut yeah, so it's quite an unusual thing.
ChrisSo I'm going to see if I can get hold of it to have a go.
LeeExcellent.
LeeSounds good.
AdamYeah, you must report
Adamback.
AdamWe'll we'll we'll we'll do a horror games episode.
LeeOh, I'll definitely be up for that.
AdamWhich I can tell you that I will be able to tell you every experience of that first room.
AdamEvery fucking pixel, every glitch in the system, but believe me, yeah, I won't be telling you.
AdamIt's great when you get to that third ending.
AdamWhat?
LeeUm, I'm going to keep it brief this week.
LeeAs I have watched nothing.
LeeI suck.
ChrisIs that because you've been having fun with your house?
LeeUh, yes, I've been restoring everything to normal from the flood we had last weekend.
LeeUm, so lots of fun stuff like putting up Lino and moving fridges and freezers. Yay, the fun.
ChrisNice once it's done.
AdamIsn't it isn't that so much better when they're full?
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's worrying that like, yeah, I won't get into it.
LeeBut it's funny, when you've got one of those massive freezers and whenever you get stuff delivered, you can't find room for anything.
LeeAnd then when you actually have to take all the shelves out to move it and you go, this is just 20 different containers full of the same thing.
LeeThere's like 40 lots of two slices of bread.
AdamYeah.
LeeAnd every time we do chicken soup, we make, you know, six portions and we only eat four, so we put two away, but then we never go back and eat them, we just make more chicken soup, so we've just got a freezer full of, ah, nonsense.
LeeUm, but yeah, that's slightly off topic.
LeeUh, so I've been doing that and I've been reading some horror stuff, but I'll report back on that once I've got a bit further.
LeeUm, yeah, and playing games but non-horror related, so I shan't bore you with that.
LeeUm, so, we can get on to Adam's birthday choice. Happy birthday, Adam.
ChrisHappy birthday.
AdamI thank you, sir, and gentlemen, so very much, sir.
LeeOh, and that reminds me, Catherine, I've been re-watching Catherine.
LeeUm,
AdamOh, nice.
LeeUh, yes, so, the original the Fly, I want to say the black and white the Fly.
LeeBecause in my head, this is definitely a black and white film, I've seen it half a dozen times, it's in bloody color.
LeeI put it on, I'm like,
LeeThat's not right.
LeeThis is definitely black and white.
LeeBut it is I've got two versions of it and they're both in color, so, God knows.
AdamIt's because return of the Fly is in black and white.
LeeAh, yes.
AdamIt's a really weird thing because there's also, I it was only reading because I'd heard the name, I didn't even realize it was part of it.
AdamThere is a curse of the Fly as well.
LeeI've not seen it, I don't believe.
AdamWell, the the the interesting thing is, is when I was
AdamI sort of just looking through, apparently Curse of the Fly was never released on like home media until about 2007.
LeeOh, really?
AdamSo, I reckon that's probably why because I've never seen it and I think it probably is that, you know,
Adamit's been it it was never on video or anything like that, so, yeah, maybe.
AdamBut, yeah, something did come up on one of the things where on again, when I was looking into the the the Fly, um, there was a thing with a lot of people think the Fly is in black and white.
AdamIt's probably because of return of the Fly is in black and white.
AdamOr they watched it on a black and white television, which were quite common in the 80s.
LeeYeah, I also thought that too.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut the best bit was at the bottom of it, they just had, it's it's my old favorite.
AdamYou know how much this I love to see it.
AdamThey said, other people attribute this to the Mandela effect.
LeeOh.
AdamPiss off.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou're not smart enough to have you're not better than anyone else.
AdamYou haven't you haven't spotted a glitch in the fucking matrix, you just remembered it wrong, sorry, mate.
AdamThe human brain is fallible.
LeeAlso, to be fair, if you go onto IMDb and you go onto the photo gallery,
Leeall the photos on the first page are all black and white photos.
LeeThat definitely wouldn't have dissuaded me from my belief.
AdamExactly.
AdamWell, this is the thing is half the I don't think because believe me, obviously because we've got, you know, producing the cover for this episode, I've been looking for a decent fucking picture of the Fly.
AdamCan you in color?
AdamFucking none.
AdamAll of them are just like a blurred mess.
AdamLike even the ones from the even the ones like from the studio.
AdamThe black and white ones are pretty nice.
AdamThey're pretty crisp and good.
AdamBut,
Adamyeah, all the color ones are just like just a splodge, they're like a Rorschach test.
AdamAnd
Adamso, but yeah, I think it is also, and again, returning to return the Fly, that's something else that I think helps return of the Fly.
AdamIs it feels more monster movie?
AdamBecause it's in black and white.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd I think,
Adamyeah, and this is the sort of and I think in your head, this is the sort of film that would be in black and white.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, I mean, it's it's a Vincent Price film from the 50s.
AdamSo, immediately your brain's gone House on Haunted Hill, so immediately you're on grayscale.
LeeExactly, the Tingle like all the ones that came out in this period were all all the black and white ones, so yeah, I think it's.
LeeYeah, it just totally threw me when the the search light logo came on.
LeeI was like, what?
AdamYeah.
LeeHas somebody colorized this?
ChrisYeah.
ChrisSo,
Chrisas you can imagine,
Chrisstarting off, I was thinking, so, why,
Christhe Fly in my head is the David Cronenberg Fly.
ChrisNow, I haven't seen that that much and it's possible that I've actually seen the Fly 2 more than the original Fly.
ChrisUm,
Chrisbut yeah, so, you know, starting off I'm thinking, is this going to be good and it's 1958, you know, occasionally I have issues with older films.
ChrisI didn't know whether it would fall into that the bad category for me, but
ChrisAnyway, and it's and it was it was so charming to start with.
ChrisAnd Vincent Price and I'm thinking, you know, that's great, I'm looking forward to that and he was just so he's just so great throughout.
ChrisUm, and so, yeah, overall, I I think it was a great film and I did really enjoy it.
ChrisUm, I was a bit upset that he put his cat in the
Leetransport.
AdamYeah.
ChrisThat seemed a little bit harsh, but, you know,
Adamcrazy scientist.
AdamJust being
Chrisa dick mood.
ChrisYeah, he's like, you haven't tested it on anything else.
ChrisOkay, but
LeeWell, it was on a plate, wasn't it?
AdamI'm going to stick the cat in there.
ChrisDan Dalo.
AdamDandelo.
AdamThat was it.
AdamYeah.
AdamNot not very dandelo anymore.
AdamYeah, where where do you get that name from, mate?
ChrisSo, so, you know, it was good.
ChrisI suppose, um, yeah, I think as you were alluding to, it, um, there's not that much monster horror action in it.
LeeNo.
ChrisReally, it's more of a psychological messed up concept.
ChrisEspecially, and and possibly slightly unfortunately, one of the other bits that I wasn't too sure about is when he kills the Fly.
ChrisIt it felt just a little bit sudden.
ChrisFor me.
ChrisSo, I sort of enjoyed so much of the rest of it.
ChrisAnd then somehow, I just felt like, um, I don't know, I guess I was hoping for a happy ending.
ChrisBut that's not to be really when you've got a fly with a human head and
ChrisBut it felt be like,
Chrislook, why are you you letting him get eaten by the spider, like you should jump in quickly and save him.
ChrisAnd and then instead they just battered him.
AdamYeah.
ChrisPoor little fly man.
AdamI mean, what he was an explorer.
AdamHe's now exploring the elementary canal of this bagger.
AdamIs Vincent Price in this in a rare good guy role?
ChrisYeah, when I say so, I guess that was a shock as well.
ChrisI mean, because he is always very charming, no matter what role he's playing.
ChrisAnd he's you could watch him endlessly, really.
ChrisBut yeah, no, it was funny that he was just a good guy throughout.
AdamHmm.
LeeJennifer was um, was actually very put out.
LeeWe we put this on.
LeeWe got about 10 minutes in.
LeeAnd she literally turns me and said,
LeeYou've never shown me this before.
LeeAnd I'm like,
LeeHuh?
LeeShe was like,
LeeI've never seen this before.
LeeThis is really good.
LeeWhy have I not seen this before?
LeeI was like,
LeeI don't know.
LeeI didn't want to say it's my late night drunk film.
LeeSo, I just went.
ChrisNo, yeah.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisIt is very watchable and really I think it held up fantastically.
ChrisLike it did not seem anywhere near as dated as I would have expected.
ChrisUm, I like, you know, the story, obviously it's a good bit of sci-fi as well.
ChrisYou know, he's trying to build a transporter.
Adamdisintegrate re-integrator.
ChrisOh,
Adamyeah, that has got to change.
AdamThat's where you've got to bring.
Adamguys to come in and give it a better name.
AdamI think.
ChrisYeah, definitely.
AdamBut even down to that, when they're explaining, when he's explaining the concept of, uh, and and it would, you know,
Adamessentially, if you built a teleporter, at the moment, it's basically the theory now currently would be that the most workable version is basically,
Adamyou have a you are scanned in your entirety.
AdamAnd essentially a 3D printer at the other end builds you back up.
AdamSo, you wouldn't necessarily be you.
AdamBecause it's
Chrisit's all different atoms.
AdamIt's a copy, yeah, made up of the materials that are at that end.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut still, I think when he's sort of saying about it as
Adambecause he's talking about like information through the radio, through the television.
AdamAnd later on people would refer to it in the way of like being like a facts.
AdamBut I think, yeah, it's that's although I also do keep getting battered a lot with stuff online about,
Adamum,
Adamyou do realize that all your cells replenish themselves after three years or 28 days.
ChrisEvery seven years.
ChrisYeah.
AdamOr something like that.
AdamAnd so none of you is actually the original you that you started off with.
AdamAnd it's like, well, I suppose that sort of nullifies the argument.
AdamOf whether you want to be, you know, 3D printed at the other end.
AdamSo,
LeeNow not to get into the scientific argument about it, but I have heard that story time and time again.
LeeAnd my answer, my question that I keep coming up with is, how have I still got
Leetattoos 22 years after I had them put on my body that's still exactly where that if all my body has been completely destroyed and rebuilt, why has it held onto that ink?
UnknownTattoos feed, don't they, and spread.
UnknownSo if you compare that tattoo to when you first got it down.
ChrisIt's not exactly the same.
AdamYeah, yeah.
AdamOur scientific advice is
Adamstepped in on this one.
LeeYeah, no, like I get that.
LeeThat is true, they do bleed.
LeeI get that.
ChrisYou're saying.
AdamYeah, so that's
Adamwhy they would fade.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamWho knows?
AdamI mean, the interesting thing is you go through and you find out that everything's backwards.
AdamBut when he gets them the ash tray.
AdamYeah.
AdamGo through with Made in Japan backwards.
AdamAnd I did I did have to quote Nursie from Blackadder's Christmas Carol.
AdamOh, lovely and ash tray.
AdamBut I think the yeah, I think it's whenever you go in a Vincent mood, you're either it's either the Po Corman stuff or five and the theater of blood and stuff like that.
AdamAnd yeah, I'm much the same.
AdamI think that that 50s, they're all brilliant.
AdamYou know,
Adamthey aren't there isn't.
AdamThere isn't a bum.
AdamNo.
AdamIn them.
LeeNo.
AdamAnd yeah, they really are worth and, you know, certainly something like the Tingle we need to cover.
AdamJust because it's so brilliantly, well, it's William Castle, so, yeah.
LeeOh,
Leeyeah.
LeeAgain, it's it's it is.
LeeThe Tingle to me is the one when people talk about William Castle and his crazy antics.
LeeThe Tingle is the one that always comes to mind for me.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah, and I what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to go to the cinema and see that in uh what is it, Shockovision or whatever it was.
AdamShockovision, yeah.
LeeUm, yeah, even knowing it's coming, I'd still love that.
LeeI mean, it'd be amazing.
AdamActually,
Adamif you I presume you have seen it.
AdamHave you seen Matinee?
AdamThe Joe Dante film.
LeeUh, no, I don't believe I have.
AdamRight.
AdamIf you're going on that sort of a kick, I highly recommend Matinee, basically, it's, um, the store it's like the story of two kids who sort of think that the it they think that the world's ending, it's like set in the 50s.
AdamThey think the world's ending, so they end up like trapped in this bunker.
AdamBut, um, the main thing about it is John Goodman basically plays William Castle in it and he's showing his and he's showing his latest film called Mantis, which is basically the Fly.
AdamIn but instead of you turning to a fly, you've become a giant praying mantis.
AdamAnd it's so it's sort of references them and the Tingle and the Fly.
AdamAnd it's just a real it's and it's Joe Dante, so it's just a real it's like his love letter to all those sort of films.
LeeI will be tracking down a copy of that the second we finish this podcast.
AdamYeah, and John, I mean John Goodman's always great anyway, but he is really good in that.
AdamBecause he's just got the right level of like.
AdamHuckster and sort of stuff like that.
AdamAnd it's yeah, it's just a great little film.
AdamIt's not like I say, I mean, it's kind of it's like for want of a better expression, one of those coming of age sort of films, but, um, yeah, just really well done and from a really good, uh,
Adamyou know, looking at a really good period of cinema.
LeeAwesome.
LeeThank you very much.
LeeSo because I was when I think of William Castle being referenced like that in films, I always go to popcorn.
AdamYes.
LeeVery similar, yeah.
LeeYeah, and I love that film.
AdamPopcorn is a proper horror film though, so, well, you know what I mean, it's that's his intention definitely.
AdamSo,
LeeFantastic.
AdamBut I think that.
AdamWell,
AdamI can
AdamI can I can I can just say I'm really glad you enjoyed it.
AdamAnd I'm really glad it's given you a bit of vim.
AdamBecause I I I feel like I've almost been punishing you over the past few few episodes.
LeeSo, it's fine, it's not and that's the thing, if I sit down to watch a film and I know I'm not going to like it,
LeeI'm like, right, I'm not going to enjoy, I'm not going to appreciate the film, but I am going to take humor from the fact that I don't get on with it.
LeeSo, I do kind of have a fun aspect of poking fun at it.
AdamOh, yeah.
LeeAnd I like.
LeeI like getting all hot under the collar and annoyed because it makes me laugh because I don't, you know,
Leeobviously you know I'm not really upset, it just, you know, it comes out that way.
AdamI I I think the best way of putting it is that it's it's great when it is something as daft as a horror movie.
AdamRather than, you know, you're not you're not doing, you know, you're not demanding your rights as an incell.
AdamTo, it's
Leeit's
AdamIt's getting hit up about nonsense, and I think that that is a very healthy, uh, way of expressing.
LeeYeah, I I really, you know, and that is what it is, you know, if you can get all emotional and kind of, yeah, over the top about something that you like.
LeeI know I don't really care about it.
LeeAnd if you went, all right, calm down, I could just calm down and stop and walk away and I wouldn't give it a second thought.
LeeSo, it's it is fun, it is it's it's like a horror film.
LeeLike you allow those emotions to run riot in a controlled environment where at any point you can just stop and walk away.
LeeAnd it's perfectly, I'm not it's not like we're arguing about politics or something where I could be seething about it for days.
LeeThis is just like you like that film and I think it's a turd, let's just shout at each other.
LeeLike it's perfectly fine.
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's a love, it's a lovely way to do it.
AdamSo,
LeeRight, so, thanks ever so much for listening everybody.
LeeUh, don't forget to go and check out Not For Everyone Podcast.
LeeUh, don't forget to go and check out, uh, Wesley's artwork, uh, he does the artwork for our side project, which is the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.
LeeHosted by a good friend, Adam over there.
AdamHello.
LeeAnd on that note, we shall leave you, we will see you next week for the Mos Eisley Happy Hour for Solo.
LeeAnd the week after for the David Cronenberg the Fly.
LeeThanks very much for listening.
LeeGood night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night.
