The Fly

0:22 Lee Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:28 Adam I'm Adam.

0:29 Lee Yay.

0:30 Lee Uh, and we're here again, yet again remotely, uh, yet again in lockdown, uh, to cover Adam's birthday choice.

0:41 Adam Hey.

0:42 Lee Um, sneaky bastard did ask for two, but we'll cover that at the end of the episode.

0:49 Chris does that mean this is this is another one that you're not too keen on?

0:52 Lee Oh, no, no, I well.

0:53 Chris No, you

0:54 Lee we'll we'll cover that. This film I like.

0:57 Chris It's

0:57 Lee Vincent Price.

0:59 Chris Yeah, well that's it. I was thinking you probably would like it.

1:42 Lee Yeah, daft as buggery. This is, yeah, this is one of my.

1:46 Lee This is one of, you know when you're up late and you're drunk and you're like, it's one o'clock in the morning, I should know better and act my age and go to bed, but I'm not going to, I'm going to put a daft movie on. This is one of those daft movies.

1:58 Adam Oh, yeah.

2:01 Adam And it's one of those ones that you stick on and then curiously get wrapped up in.

2:05 Lee Yeah.

2:06 Adam As well, do you know what I mean?

2:07 Lee It's

2:08 Lee And then you watch return of the Fly and then everyone's like, what do you mean you didn't go to bed until 5:00 AM? How old are you? What do you mean you're on your own drinking and watching the Fly, you idiot?

2:19 Adam Um, yeah, yeah, but then we'll we we should also come to return of the Fly as well, because.

2:25 Adam I, having, because I totally uh, immediate admission.

2:31 Adam So, watched the Fly and then the next night I did watch return of the Fly because I was like,

2:36 Adam I've got them in a DVD box from about 2000.

2:42 Adam And I realized that I probably watched return of the Fly when I bought it, and that was it.

2:47 Adam So I was like, I've got to re-watch return of the Fly and I suspect that's where most people get the Fly from, really.

2:54 Lee Yeah.

2:55 Adam Because it's a lot more

2:57 Adam well, we'll get to it, but it's a lot more monster movie Yeah, than this one is kind of, yeah. Um, yeah, so we will be discussing the 1958, uh, Vincent Price the Fly, uh, but before we get to that.

3:41 Lee Yeah, I was going to mention some of that.

3:54 Lee Adam, have you seen anything horror in the last seven days?

4:00 Adam Well, apart from Ted doing a psychedelic yodel down Clare's cleavage, yeah, which which which is always a way to round off a Saturday.

4:10 Adam Um, uh, actually, yes, I've watched loads of shit, not just return of the Fly, which I'm considering that's part of the assignment for this week.

4:21 Adam Um, but

4:22 Adam Yeah, I watched, um, I got round to, I got the Arrow Blu-ray of Southland Tales, which is not quite horror, horror Jason, definitely sci-fi.

4:37 Adam And again, from the director of Donnie Darko and basically the film that then cripples his career, um, but I I still like it and find it a fascinating film.

4:48 Adam And you've and it's one and it's just also so distractingly full of big name people, that where it's obviously like, oh, this is the guy who's done Donnie Darko.

4:59 Adam Right, I want to be in this film.

5:03 Adam And then it's like half the cast of Saturday Night Live, um, the bloke from American Pie, the Rock,

5:12 Adam uh,

5:13 Adam Sarah Michelle Gellar.

5:15 Adam And just, yeah,

5:18 Lee distraction,

5:18 Adam distracting.

5:20 Lee like, I remember.

5:21 Lee Is the only thing I remember about that film is just Justin Timberlake just turning on a song for no reason whatsoever.

5:29 Adam Yeah, and not even one of his own.

5:31 Lee Yeah.

5:32 Adam It was, yeah, mines to the Killers.

5:36 Adam But it's just, yeah, it is such a fucking bizarre film and I know Chris is a Donnie Darko fan.

5:41 Chris Yeah.

5:42 Adam As indeed

5:43 Adam any right-minded person should be. Um, but I wondered, have you ever seen it, Chris?

5:49 Chris No. No.

5:50 Adam Like I say, well, well worth checking out, but you will have to carve out

5:54 Chris Be

5:55 Adam basically two and a half hours.

6:01 Adam And there's the very distinct possibility you'll just go, what?

6:09 Adam But, um, but yeah,

6:11 Chris it needs

6:12 Adam to be seen.

6:13 Adam It does need to be seen, yeah, especially because like I say, because it's Richard Kelly who did Donnie Darko.

6:17 Adam And it's also really good because it's it's weird because although uh Dwayne Johnson being in it, it's kind of just before that was a big thing.

6:34 Chris Oh, okay.

6:35 Adam And it's so it's you know, it seems quite natural that he's like, but he's actually not, he plays a very, best way to describe, he plays quite a Jack Burton sort of character in it.

6:46 Adam You know, it's like he he's meant to be an actor who plays like who's like a sort of army, like tough guy roles and stuff like that.

6:55 Adam And actually he's just a bit of a coward and a bit of an idiot.

7:00 Adam And, uh, yeah.

7:02 Adam It's but it's really, yeah, it's really bizarre, very, I watching it this time around, I suddenly thought this reminds me of Terry Gilliam.

7:11 Adam Where is that same thing of like a weird future packed with ideas and packed with like just extended weird characters.

7:21 Adam That are sort of like, you know, it's like everyone in this film is grotesque, or is like a, is a character character rather, there's no normal people running around.

7:34 Adam Everyone is like a butting against each other.

7:38 Adam Yeah, so.

7:40 Adam From then, from there,

7:43 Adam I watched Extra,

7:45 Adam thanks to you, Chris.

7:47 Chris Mhm.

7:48 Adam And, oh my God, um, yeah.

7:53 Adam That is a fucking experience and a half.

7:55 Adam That was just, it's someone I posted about it on Instagram.

8:01 Adam And someone said, what was it?

8:03 Adam It was like, a rare bit of British exploitation.

8:09 Adam And I sort of see what they mean because it is it's kind of like Roger Corman.

8:12 Adam He's sort of but like in EastEnders.

8:17 Adam And not just because Lou Bill gets knifed by a giant action man.

8:20 Adam Which is, you know, I mean, it is

8:23 Adam it's also one of those films where I think I think if you were in to refer to uh the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.

8:36 Adam I think if you were like, oh, so what, RTB too can fly now.

8:42 Adam This film has nothing on that.

8:44 Adam Where it's like, you get you get to certain points and it's like, right, so, so he can suck his blood, but that gives him special powers.

8:53 Adam Okay, but his

8:54 Adam special powers are being able to bring his toys to life and create panthers at will.

9:00 Adam And, oh, and his special power is he can do a scream that kills people, but will only do that at the end and never tell you that he can do that.

9:07 Adam And, yeah.

9:09 Adam It's fucking barmy.

9:12 Adam I loved it.

9:13 Adam I really did because it's just, yeah.

9:17 Adam Without a shadow of a doubt, it's a lot of very good ideas were put down and then someone said, well, we could make a film.

9:27 Adam But no one at any point went, well, how do we link these?

9:31 Adam Ah, piece of piss, just write it on, it'll be fine.

9:34 Adam So,

9:35 Chris Now, I'm trying to remember. You said that it was me that motivated you to watch that.

9:40 Adam No, you you you got it for me for Christmas.

9:43 Chris Did I?

9:44 Lee Oh, yes.

9:44 Chris Oh, for Christmas.

9:46 Adam Yeah, you got me Night of the Creeps and Extra.

9:49 Chris Yes.

9:50 Chris I was thinking, I was thinking I was mixing it up with your birthday.

9:53 Chris But, yeah.

9:55 Adam No,

9:56 Adam I haven't watched I haven't watched that, no, I haven't watched that yet because I think there's a distinct possibility that that will be on the show one day.

10:02 Chris Oh, yeah.

10:02 Adam So, I'm holding fire if that if that shows up.

10:06 Adam But, um, but funnily enough, this is also, and it was weird that you hit upon those two, because they're also ones that were I was inspired to want to see them by, uh, Not For Everyone.

10:17 Adam The Not For Everyone podcast.

10:22 Chris Okay.

10:23 Adam Big up to Bobby and Adam go and listen to them and,

10:27 Adam yeah, they're fantastic.

10:28 Adam But yeah, that's two films I've been watching.

10:34 Chris So, Night of the Creeps and Extra.

10:36 Chris So, I hadn't heard of Extra before this, so, yeah, okay.

10:40 Chris It does look quite weird.

10:43 Adam Interesting.

10:43 Adam Yeah, fucking it's mad, it's weirdly gross.

10:50 Adam Um, it's like so it's inventively gross, is the way to put it.

10:55 Adam But also, yeah, just sodding insane.

11:01 Adam And but the best bit is as well is I just love the fact that they apparently at the time they marketed it as, well, this is the British answer to ET.

11:10 Chris Ah, okay.

11:11 Adam And and I kind of see it if you think about the two countries in 1980.

11:19 Adam So,

11:20 Adam you've got like ET where it's all love and kindness and friendship and blah, blah, blah.

11:26 Adam Um, and then Extra turns up.

11:29 Adam And yeah, women give birth to fully grown men and, yeah.

11:35 Adam It's uh it's just grimy and gruesome.

11:39 Adam It's like,

11:40 Lee Horrible.

11:40 Adam Yeah, and

11:41 Chris a nightmare version of ET.

11:45 Adam Yeah, it's like the anti-ET.

11:48 Adam So, but yeah, so that that is brilliant.

11:51 Adam Um, uh, short one this, I re-watched the original Quatermass and the Pit, just because it's fucking brilliant.

11:58 Adam And got it on Blu-ray.

12:00 Adam And, oh my Christ.

12:03 Adam Parts of it look like it was filmed today.

12:07 Lee Wow.

12:07 Adam It's so crisp and you're like, but this is from like 1950, I think it's like 59.

12:13 Adam And, and the best bit is is apparently on the Blu-ray, there's interviews with people in the film, in in the production. I'm like, who?

12:25 Lee Who?

12:26 Adam I don't think anyone can be alive who's in the cast of this.

12:32 Adam You know, because it's

12:33 Adam such a long time ago.

12:35 Adam But yeah, that is again, I mean, I love the Hammer version, but that's definitely the the one I really adore.

12:41 Adam And the black and whiteness of it is something that really adds to it, I think.

12:47 Adam It just all the all the monstrousness is quite uh not hidden, but obscured by the darkness and everything.

12:54 Adam And it looks.

12:55 Adam Yeah.

12:57 Adam Um, and uh rolling up, I, ending up I, uh, watched Saint Maud, which only came out last year.

13:03 Adam And that is a definite fucking recommend.

13:11 Adam Um, a lot of people have said, a lot of people have said about the Witch, and a lot of people have said sort of like the Lighthouse or something like that, where they, I think, where they're trying to find a

13:21 Adam really, a dark song, if it was more widely known.

13:26 Lee That was the impression I got from the track, because Donnie saw it.

13:29 Lee Uh, when it was out when it was doing the film festival circuit, uh, and text me literally as he was walking out the screening and going,

13:35 Lee You need to find this film as soon as it's available and watch it.

13:41 Adam Um, no, he did much the same to me as well.

13:44 Adam So, well done, Donnie.

13:46 Adam Because it is it is brilliant.

13:48 Adam But it does occupy that same sort of weird thing that a dark song's got.

13:52 Adam You know, and I this is, I mean, it's it's it's actually within the film, they talk about William Blake.

14:01 Adam And it's that same thing that a dark song gets right of like magical realism.

14:11 Lee Yeah.

14:11 Adam Where nothing feels outside of the realms of reality, even when they're like, it's gold showering from the ceiling or giant Roman gods and things, you know, goddesses and stuff like that.

14:25 Adam And this does a very good version of it, but it's basically, you know, when you read historical tales about, um, uh, saints and nuns where they're sort of like, they go into religious ecstasies and uh, become, you know, suddenly they'll only start eating gravel and die and stuff like that.

14:41 Adam And it's very it's in that sort of a vein, but it's updated, so it's kind because all you ever hear when you read back those things, you're just like, yeah, I think they had, you know, a serious

14:50 Adam psychotic break or some form of, you know, hallucinogenic mental illness.

14:57 Adam And but and so it kind of fits in those areas, but it's just so well done.

15:08 Adam And it's one of those ones where it'll just leave you sort of it leaves you it'll stick with you a long a few days afterwards.

15:15 Adam But I think everything about it is just pitched right.

15:20 Adam So everything is you it's basically readable completely as, um, someone who has, you know, who who is experiencing a psychotic episode.

15:32 Adam And is getting rapturous in that sense, or it could could very well be this is someone being reached by God.

15:40 Adam To who's showing them the way.

15:43 Adam Um, not to give too much away because, yeah, it's really one worth seeing.

15:48 Adam Oddly humorous in its own sort of really weird way.

15:52 Adam But the but the but the two like main characters in it is a is a home care, um, and the woman a woman dying of terminal cancer who she's um, who she's been sent to care for.

16:08 Adam But they sort of, they're so, both characters are so brilliantly played and brilliantly written that there is

16:19 Adam it's them they are very human, where it's like parts you think, what the fuck are you doing? And at other points you feel sorry for them.

16:28 Adam And, you know, everything sort of everything works on that level, but it also does have like a quite a nice little vein of humor, it knows of the parts of this that would be absurd, especially to other people.

16:43 Adam And, um,

16:44 Adam but yeah, it's really, yeah, definitely one worth worth checking out.

16:51 Chris Hmm.

16:52 Adam Oh.

16:53 Adam And and remarkably brief as well, I think it's an hour and 27 minutes.

16:57 Lee Okay.

16:58 Adam Which again, when you've got something that which is nice when you've got something with slow build, but it executes it within that time frame very well.

17:07 Adam Rather than, oh, well, if we're going to do slow build, well, we'll we'll do an hour of like nothing.

17:13 Lee Yeah.

17:14 Adam And you're like, yeah, half an hour of nothing maybe, but this, you know, this gets this gets to the point pretty swiftly.

17:23 Adam Um, but yeah, yeah, definitely worth checking out.

17:27 Lee Fantastic. I should be on the case with that one.

17:33 Lee Uh, is that your all up today, Adam?

17:34 Adam Oh, sorry, yes, and that's all the weather.

17:36 Lee Yeah.

17:38 Lee Chris?

17:40 Chris Yeah.

17:41 Chris So, so this week I've been sent uh links to a a YouTuber called Daz Black, I think his YouTube account is like Daz Games.

17:49 Chris Um, and essentially just he plays tons of computer games and lots of them seem to be horror games.

17:56 Chris I didn't realize there were this many horror games available, but um, I can't say I've massively kept up with gaming over the years, the sort of past you know, five years or so, but and especially, um,

18:07 Chris so I watched loads of these. They're sort of fairly short clips and I, you know, I can kind of watch them in between work a bit without focusing too much.

18:16 Chris But and so, I mean, he's quite funny the way he responds in it, you know.

18:22 Chris There's a lot of um humor and him getting very scared and it's you know, it's quite quite entertaining.

18:28 Chris But um, one in particular stood out and I'm wish, well,

18:33 Chris I'm I may see if I can get it um to try because it it was quite fascinating, really.

18:39 Chris So it was a a demo, um, I think it was meant to be uh, like a teaser for a Silent Hill game.

18:50 Chris And so it was it was on the PlayStation 4 and um, it's called PT.

18:58 Chris And in it you you're in a house and you sort of wake up and you're working your way through the house, but then as you get to certain point, it loops back around.

19:08 Chris So you start again almost completely, which is quite an unusual concept for a game.

19:12 Lee Yeah.

19:13 Chris And potentially a film.

19:14 Adam Unless you're rubbish

19:15 Chris like me.

19:16 Adam Well, possibly yeah, you die.

19:17 Chris So again.

19:18 Adam Start quickly.

19:19 Chris But, but yeah, so but what happens is, every, you have to figure out what puzzle to solve in that sort of loop.

19:26 Chris And when you solve it, then it changes slightly in the next one and so it's quite surreal as you sort of work your way through.

19:30 Chris And you keep going back around, but it keeps changing and getting scarier and, you know, and certain events happen.

19:35 Chris So it's yeah, it's quite impressive.

19:38 Lee Oh, that sounds really cool.

19:39 Chris And apparently it turned out, I didn't realize, but it says that it was, um,

19:44 Chris I think directed by Guillermo Del Toro.

19:46 Adam Oh, really?

19:48 Chris Yeah.

19:49 Chris Which I wouldn't have recognized his name previously to us doing this podcast.

19:53 Chris So, you know, that was good.

19:55 Chris Um, yeah, I think in combination with Hideo Kojima, so I'm not sure who that is. Um,

20:01 Chris but yeah, so it's quite an unusual thing.

20:03 Chris So I'm going to see if I can get hold of it to have a go.

20:05 Lee Excellent.

20:07 Lee Sounds good.

20:08 Adam Yeah, you must report

20:09 Adam back.

20:10 Adam We'll we'll we'll we'll do a horror games episode.

20:13 Lee Oh, I'll definitely be up for that.

20:15 Adam Which I can tell you that I will be able to tell you every experience of that first room.

20:23 Adam Every fucking pixel, every glitch in the system, but believe me, yeah, I won't be telling you.

20:29 Adam It's great when you get to that third ending.

20:31 Adam What?

20:36 Lee Um, I'm going to keep it brief this week.

20:38 Lee As I have watched nothing.

20:40 Lee I suck.

20:42 Chris Is that because you've been having fun with your house?

20:46 Lee Uh, yes, I've been restoring everything to normal from the flood we had last weekend.

20:52 Lee Um, so lots of fun stuff like putting up Lino and moving fridges and freezers. Yay, the fun.

20:59 Chris Nice once it's done.

21:01 Adam Isn't it isn't that so much better when they're full?

21:04 Lee Yeah.

21:07 Lee It's worrying that like, yeah, I won't get into it.

21:12 Lee But it's funny, when you've got one of those massive freezers and whenever you get stuff delivered, you can't find room for anything.

21:17 Lee And then when you actually have to take all the shelves out to move it and you go, this is just 20 different containers full of the same thing.

21:24 Lee There's like 40 lots of two slices of bread.

21:29 Adam Yeah.

21:30 Lee And every time we do chicken soup, we make, you know, six portions and we only eat four, so we put two away, but then we never go back and eat them, we just make more chicken soup, so we've just got a freezer full of, ah, nonsense.

21:42 Lee Um, but yeah, that's slightly off topic.

21:46 Lee Uh, so I've been doing that and I've been reading some horror stuff, but I'll report back on that once I've got a bit further.

21:52 Lee Um, yeah, and playing games but non-horror related, so I shan't bore you with that.

21:59 Lee Um, so, we can get on to Adam's birthday choice. Happy birthday, Adam.

22:04 Chris Happy birthday.

22:06 Adam I thank you, sir, and gentlemen, so very much, sir.

22:10 Lee Oh, and that reminds me, Catherine, I've been re-watching Catherine.

22:13 Lee Um,

22:14 Adam Oh, nice.

22:16 Lee Uh, yes, so, the original the Fly, I want to say the black and white the Fly.

22:22 Lee Because in my head, this is definitely a black and white film, I've seen it half a dozen times, it's in bloody color.

22:29 Lee I put it on, I'm like,

22:30 Lee That's not right.

22:31 Lee This is definitely black and white.

22:33 Lee But it is I've got two versions of it and they're both in color, so, God knows.

22:38 Adam It's because return of the Fly is in black and white.

22:41 Lee Ah, yes.

22:43 Adam It's a really weird thing because there's also, I it was only reading because I'd heard the name, I didn't even realize it was part of it.

22:51 Adam There is a curse of the Fly as well.

22:54 Lee I've not seen it, I don't believe.

22:58 Adam Well, the the the interesting thing is, is when I was

23:01 Adam I sort of just looking through, apparently Curse of the Fly was never released on like home media until about 2007.

23:08 Lee Oh, really?

23:09 Adam So, I reckon that's probably why because I've never seen it and I think it probably is that, you know,

23:15 Adam it's been it it was never on video or anything like that, so, yeah, maybe.

23:24 Adam But, yeah, something did come up on one of the things where on again, when I was looking into the the the Fly, um, there was a thing with a lot of people think the Fly is in black and white.

23:35 Adam It's probably because of return of the Fly is in black and white.

23:40 Adam Or they watched it on a black and white television, which were quite common in the 80s.

23:45 Lee Yeah, I also thought that too.

23:47 Adam Yeah.

23:48 Adam But the best bit was at the bottom of it, they just had, it's it's my old favorite.

23:53 Adam You know how much this I love to see it.

23:55 Adam They said, other people attribute this to the Mandela effect.

23:58 Lee Oh.

23:59 Adam Piss off.

24:01 Lee Yeah.

24:02 Adam You're not smart enough to have you're not better than anyone else.

24:05 Adam You haven't you haven't spotted a glitch in the fucking matrix, you just remembered it wrong, sorry, mate.

24:12 Adam The human brain is fallible.

24:14 Lee Also, to be fair, if you go onto IMDb and you go onto the photo gallery,

24:19 Lee all the photos on the first page are all black and white photos.

24:24 Lee That definitely wouldn't have dissuaded me from my belief.

24:29 Adam Exactly.

24:30 Adam Well, this is the thing is half the I don't think because believe me, obviously because we've got, you know, producing the cover for this episode, I've been looking for a decent fucking picture of the Fly.

24:41 Adam Can you in color?

24:42 Adam Fucking none.

24:44 Adam All of them are just like a blurred mess.

24:48 Adam Like even the ones from the even the ones like from the studio.

24:52 Adam The black and white ones are pretty nice.

24:55 Adam They're pretty crisp and good.

24:56 Adam But,

24:57 Adam yeah, all the color ones are just like just a splodge, they're like a Rorschach test.

25:04 Adam And

25:04 Adam so, but yeah, I think it is also, and again, returning to return the Fly, that's something else that I think helps return of the Fly.

25:15 Adam Is it feels more monster movie?

25:20 Adam Because it's in black and white.

25:22 Lee Yeah.

25:23 Adam And I think,

25:24 Adam yeah, and this is the sort of and I think in your head, this is the sort of film that would be in black and white.

25:30 Lee Yeah.

25:30 Adam You know, I mean, it's it's a Vincent Price film from the 50s.

25:33 Adam So, immediately your brain's gone House on Haunted Hill, so immediately you're on grayscale.

25:38 Lee Exactly, the Tingle like all the ones that came out in this period were all all the black and white ones, so yeah, I think it's.

25:46 Lee Yeah, it just totally threw me when the the search light logo came on.

25:50 Lee I was like, what?

25:51 Adam Yeah.

25:53 Lee Has somebody colorized this?

25:56 Chris Yeah.

25:56 Chris So,

25:57 Chris as you can imagine,

25:59 Chris starting off, I was thinking, so, why,

26:03 Chris the Fly in my head is the David Cronenberg Fly.

26:07 Chris Now, I haven't seen that that much and it's possible that I've actually seen the Fly 2 more than the original Fly.

26:14 Chris Um,

26:16 Chris but yeah, so, you know, starting off I'm thinking, is this going to be good and it's 1958, you know, occasionally I have issues with older films.

26:25 Chris I didn't know whether it would fall into that the bad category for me, but

26:28 Chris Anyway, and it's and it was it was so charming to start with.

26:32 Chris And Vincent Price and I'm thinking, you know, that's great, I'm looking forward to that and he was just so he's just so great throughout.

26:40 Chris Um, and so, yeah, overall, I I think it was a great film and I did really enjoy it.

26:46 Chris Um, I was a bit upset that he put his cat in the

26:49 Lee transport.

26:50 Adam Yeah.

26:51 Chris That seemed a little bit harsh, but, you know,

26:53 Adam crazy scientist.

26:54 Adam Just being

26:55 Chris a dick mood.

26:56 Chris Yeah, he's like, you haven't tested it on anything else.

26:57 Chris Okay, but

26:58 Lee Well, it was on a plate, wasn't it?

27:01 Adam I'm going to stick the cat in there.

27:02 Chris Dan Dalo.

27:04 Adam Dandelo.

27:05 Adam That was it.

27:06 Adam Yeah.

27:07 Adam Not not very dandelo anymore.

27:08 Adam Yeah, where where do you get that name from, mate?

27:13 Chris So, so, you know, it was good.

27:15 Chris I suppose, um, yeah, I think as you were alluding to, it, um, there's not that much monster horror action in it.

27:22 Lee No.

27:23 Chris Really, it's more of a psychological messed up concept.

27:26 Chris Especially, and and possibly slightly unfortunately, one of the other bits that I wasn't too sure about is when he kills the Fly.

27:36 Chris It it felt just a little bit sudden.

27:39 Chris For me.

27:40 Chris So, I sort of enjoyed so much of the rest of it.

27:42 Chris And then somehow, I just felt like, um, I don't know, I guess I was hoping for a happy ending.

27:48 Chris But that's not to be really when you've got a fly with a human head and

27:53 Chris But it felt be like,

27:54 Chris look, why are you you letting him get eaten by the spider, like you should jump in quickly and save him.

27:58 Chris And and then instead they just battered him.

28:01 Adam Yeah.

28:02 Chris Poor little fly man.

28:04 Adam I mean, what he was an explorer.

28:09 Adam He's now exploring the elementary canal of this bagger.

28:13 Adam Is Vincent Price in this in a rare good guy role?

28:19 Chris Yeah, when I say so, I guess that was a shock as well.

28:21 Chris I mean, because he is always very charming, no matter what role he's playing.

28:25 Chris And he's you could watch him endlessly, really.

28:27 Chris But yeah, no, it was funny that he was just a good guy throughout.

28:32 Adam Hmm.

28:33 Lee Jennifer was um, was actually very put out.

28:38 Lee We we put this on.

28:40 Lee We got about 10 minutes in.

28:41 Lee And she literally turns me and said,

28:43 Lee You've never shown me this before.

28:44 Lee And I'm like,

28:45 Lee Huh?

28:46 Lee She was like,

28:47 Lee I've never seen this before.

28:48 Lee This is really good.

28:50 Lee Why have I not seen this before?

28:51 Lee I was like,

28:51 Lee I don't know.

28:52 Lee I didn't want to say it's my late night drunk film.

28:54 Lee So, I just went.

28:56 Chris No, yeah.

28:57 Chris Yeah.

28:58 Chris It is very watchable and really I think it held up fantastically.

29:02 Chris Like it did not seem anywhere near as dated as I would have expected.

29:07 Chris Um, I like, you know, the story, obviously it's a good bit of sci-fi as well.

29:12 Chris You know, he's trying to build a transporter.

29:15 Adam disintegrate re-integrator.

29:17 Chris Oh,

29:17 Adam yeah, that has got to change.

29:21 Adam That's where you've got to bring.

29:22 Adam guys to come in and give it a better name.

29:24 Adam I think.

29:25 Chris Yeah, definitely.

29:25 Adam But even down to that, when they're explaining, when he's explaining the concept of, uh, and and it would, you know,

29:34 Adam essentially, if you built a teleporter, at the moment, it's basically the theory now currently would be that the most workable version is basically,

29:42 Adam you have a you are scanned in your entirety.

29:49 Adam And essentially a 3D printer at the other end builds you back up.

29:54 Adam So, you wouldn't necessarily be you.

29:57 Adam Because it's

29:58 Chris it's all different atoms.

30:01 Adam It's a copy, yeah, made up of the materials that are at that end.

30:05 Chris Yeah.

30:06 Adam But still, I think when he's sort of saying about it as

30:08 Adam because he's talking about like information through the radio, through the television.

30:13 Adam And later on people would refer to it in the way of like being like a facts.

30:18 Adam But I think, yeah, it's that's although I also do keep getting battered a lot with stuff online about,

30:23 Adam um,

30:25 Adam you do realize that all your cells replenish themselves after three years or 28 days.

30:29 Chris Every seven years.

30:30 Chris Yeah.

30:30 Adam Or something like that.

30:31 Adam And so none of you is actually the original you that you started off with.

30:34 Adam And it's like, well, I suppose that sort of nullifies the argument.

30:36 Adam Of whether you want to be, you know, 3D printed at the other end.

30:40 Adam So,

30:40 Lee Now not to get into the scientific argument about it, but I have heard that story time and time again.

30:44 Lee And my answer, my question that I keep coming up with is, how have I still got

30:49 Lee tattoos 22 years after I had them put on my body that's still exactly where that if all my body has been completely destroyed and rebuilt, why has it held onto that ink?

30:58 Unknown Tattoos feed, don't they, and spread.

31:01 Unknown So if you compare that tattoo to when you first got it down.

31:05 Chris It's not exactly the same.

31:06 Adam Yeah, yeah.

31:07 Adam Our scientific advice is

31:08 Adam stepped in on this one.

31:10 Lee Yeah, no, like I get that.

31:12 Lee That is true, they do bleed.

31:14 Lee I get that.

31:15 Chris You're saying.

31:15 Adam Yeah, so that's

31:16 Adam why they would fade.

31:17 Chris Yeah.

31:18 Adam Yeah.

31:19 Adam Who knows?

31:20 Adam I mean, the interesting thing is you go through and you find out that everything's backwards.

31:24 Adam But when he gets them the ash tray.

31:28 Adam Yeah.

31:29 Adam Go through with Made in Japan backwards.

31:31 Adam And I did I did have to quote Nursie from Blackadder's Christmas Carol.

31:35 Adam Oh, lovely and ash tray.

31:39 Adam But I think the yeah, I think it's whenever you go in a Vincent mood, you're either it's either the Po Corman stuff or five and the theater of blood and stuff like that.

31:52 Adam And yeah, I'm much the same.

31:54 Adam I think that that 50s, they're all brilliant.

31:57 Adam You know,

31:58 Adam they aren't there isn't.

31:59 Adam There isn't a bum.

32:00 Adam No.

32:00 Adam In them.

32:01 Lee No.

32:02 Adam And yeah, they really are worth and, you know, certainly something like the Tingle we need to cover.

32:06 Adam Just because it's so brilliantly, well, it's William Castle, so, yeah.

32:13 Lee Oh,

32:13 Lee yeah.

32:14 Lee Again, it's it's it is.

32:15 Lee The Tingle to me is the one when people talk about William Castle and his crazy antics.

32:18 Lee The Tingle is the one that always comes to mind for me.

32:21 Adam Yeah.

32:21 Lee Yeah, and I what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to go to the cinema and see that in uh what is it, Shockovision or whatever it was.

32:28 Adam Shockovision, yeah.

32:30 Lee Um, yeah, even knowing it's coming, I'd still love that.

32:33 Lee I mean, it'd be amazing.

32:35 Adam Actually,

32:35 Adam if you I presume you have seen it.

32:38 Adam Have you seen Matinee?

32:38 Adam The Joe Dante film.

32:40 Lee Uh, no, I don't believe I have.

32:42 Adam Right.

32:43 Adam If you're going on that sort of a kick, I highly recommend Matinee, basically, it's, um, the store it's like the story of two kids who sort of think that the it they think that the world's ending, it's like set in the 50s.

32:52 Adam They think the world's ending, so they end up like trapped in this bunker.

32:55 Adam But, um, the main thing about it is John Goodman basically plays William Castle in it and he's showing his and he's showing his latest film called Mantis, which is basically the Fly.

33:04 Adam In but instead of you turning to a fly, you've become a giant praying mantis.

33:09 Adam And it's so it's sort of references them and the Tingle and the Fly.

33:13 Adam And it's just a real it's and it's Joe Dante, so it's just a real it's like his love letter to all those sort of films.

33:16 Lee I will be tracking down a copy of that the second we finish this podcast.

33:23 Adam Yeah, and John, I mean John Goodman's always great anyway, but he is really good in that.

33:27 Adam Because he's just got the right level of like.

33:30 Adam Huckster and sort of stuff like that.

33:31 Adam And it's yeah, it's just a great little film.

33:33 Adam It's not like I say, I mean, it's kind of it's like for want of a better expression, one of those coming of age sort of films, but, um, yeah, just really well done and from a really good, uh,

33:43 Adam you know, looking at a really good period of cinema.

33:50 Lee Awesome.

33:51 Lee Thank you very much.

33:52 Lee So because I was when I think of William Castle being referenced like that in films, I always go to popcorn.

34:03 Adam Yes.

34:04 Lee Very similar, yeah.

34:06 Lee Yeah, and I love that film.

34:08 Adam Popcorn is a proper horror film though, so, well, you know what I mean, it's that's his intention definitely.

34:16 Adam So,

34:17 Lee Fantastic.

34:18 Adam But I think that.

34:20 Adam Well,

34:21 Adam I can

34:21 Adam I can I can I can just say I'm really glad you enjoyed it.

34:24 Adam And I'm really glad it's given you a bit of vim.

34:26 Adam Because I I I feel like I've almost been punishing you over the past few few episodes.

34:34 Lee So, it's fine, it's not and that's the thing, if I sit down to watch a film and I know I'm not going to like it,

34:38 Lee I'm like, right, I'm not going to enjoy, I'm not going to appreciate the film, but I am going to take humor from the fact that I don't get on with it.

34:43 Lee So, I do kind of have a fun aspect of poking fun at it.

34:46 Adam Oh, yeah.

34:46 Lee And I like.

34:47 Lee I like getting all hot under the collar and annoyed because it makes me laugh because I don't, you know,

34:52 Lee obviously you know I'm not really upset, it just, you know, it comes out that way.

34:56 Adam I I I think the best way of putting it is that it's it's great when it is something as daft as a horror movie.

35:01 Adam Rather than, you know, you're not you're not doing, you know, you're not demanding your rights as an incell.

35:09 Adam To, it's

35:11 Lee it's

35:11 Adam It's getting hit up about nonsense, and I think that that is a very healthy, uh, way of expressing.

35:17 Lee Yeah, I I really, you know, and that is what it is, you know, if you can get all emotional and kind of, yeah, over the top about something that you like.

35:25 Lee I know I don't really care about it.

35:27 Lee And if you went, all right, calm down, I could just calm down and stop and walk away and I wouldn't give it a second thought.

35:35 Lee So, it's it is fun, it is it's it's like a horror film.

35:41 Lee Like you allow those emotions to run riot in a controlled environment where at any point you can just stop and walk away.

35:48 Lee And it's perfectly, I'm not it's not like we're arguing about politics or something where I could be seething about it for days.

35:55 Lee This is just like you like that film and I think it's a turd, let's just shout at each other.

36:02 Lee Like it's perfectly fine.

36:03 Adam Yeah.

36:04 Adam It's a love, it's a lovely way to do it.

36:07 Adam So,

36:09 Lee Right, so, thanks ever so much for listening everybody.

36:13 Lee Uh, don't forget to go and check out Not For Everyone Podcast.

36:19 Lee Uh, don't forget to go and check out, uh, Wesley's artwork, uh, he does the artwork for our side project, which is the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.

36:26 Lee Hosted by a good friend, Adam over there.

36:29 Adam Hello.

36:31 Lee And on that note, we shall leave you, we will see you next week for the Mos Eisley Happy Hour for Solo.

36:35 Lee And the week after for the David Cronenberg the Fly.

36:40 Lee Thanks very much for listening.

36:42 Lee Good night.

36:43 Chris Good night.

36:44 Adam Good night.