The Fly 1986
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Having witnessed the original, the team turn to David Cronenberg’s reimagining of “The Fly” from 1986. A film in which an 80s super-sleaze invents the Reaction Video; Jeff Goldblum spunks his finger all over the bathroom mirror; and a baboon makes jam (but definitely not as cute as that sounds). Along the way we discuss “Possessor”, “Matinee”, “St Maud” (again, but it’s so good!), “Sputnik”, “Donnie Darko”, “Tales That Witness Madness” and “Willie’s Wonderland”. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES -CURRENT QUARANTINE MEASURES MEANT WE HAD TO RECORD THIS EPISODE REMOTELY.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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- "I'm not Seth Brundle anymore. I'm the offspring of...Brundle and housefly."— Seth Brundle
- "I'm becoming... Brundlefly."— Seth
- "I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man, and loved it. But now the dream is over...and the insect is awake."— Seth
- "Help me. Help me be human."— Seth
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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horra. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
LeeI'm Adam.
LeeSorry, I don't know what I was so excited about for there.
LeeI think it's just because I started, it's just we watched the flyer.
AdamIt is that.
AdamAnd also I announced I was starting before I was ready, then I got excited in shock at my own announcement.
AdamThis is what happens when I quit drinking. Fucking hell. Good luck everyone.
LeeI think you've given it titss and teeth and that's what I like to see.
AdamYou've you've come into this like uh, I don't know, Bonnie Langford.
AdamYou've you've just brought the energy out.
LeeI've never been like into Bonnie Langford before, oddly enough.
LeeBut, I I kind of get it.
ChrisWell, there's always the first time.
LeeUm,
LeeSo, as Chris alluded to, we are here for the second of Adam's birthday choices.
LeeWe are here for The Fly again.
LeeThis is the 1986 remake.
ChrisI really like Adam's birthdays.
AdamI so think that is how we, that's how remakes should be, they should they should be again.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo it's like Texas Chainsaw Massacre Again.
AdamJust just to take that I mean, not in this not in this circumstance certainly, but just to take that sheen off that usually comes with a remake.
ChrisYes, yes, I agree.
LeeJust so you immediately are like, I'm reminding you that what you've done is a bit of a shit version of something that came previously.
AdamYeah, you know.
ChrisOh,
AdamHe's getting controversial already.
AdamIt's also just a lovely, it's also just a lovely idea that you get certain ones like The Hills Have Eyes again.
LeeYeah.
AdamI mean that's, you know, something that was already vaguely meaningless.
AdamBut sounded threatening just becomes utterly meaningless.
Leebut yes, this may well be,
Leeuh, the uh, the one of the few times that we prefer the remake but we will get into that when we are ready and not before.
LeeSo before we get into that.
LeeAdam, what have you been watching in the last fortnight?
AdamWell, uh, Clare's uh Clare wanted for it ended up being date night.
AdamSo you know that's just the way it goes.
AdamUm, we were drinking tiny bottles of champagne.
AdamAnd um, Clare wanted to watch another anthology movie.
AdamUh, so we of a selection we went with Tales That Witness Madness.
LeeOh, nice.
AdamWhich which is both wonderful but also possibly the oddest one.
AdamCertainly in terms of just the stories are just like, you what?
LeeHuh?
AdamIt's like, you know.
AdamSo.
AdamI mean, again, we're not it wouldn't be giving spoilers away.
AdamBecause this is, you know, this is.
AdamBut here's the list for you Chris for Tales That Witness Madness.
AdamUm,
AdamAn invisible tiger.
AdamA haunted penny farthing.
AdamA man who shags a tree.
AdamAnd sort of like the the most sort of weird.
UnknownRacially ambiguous.
AdamRacially, thank you.
AdamRacially ambiguous um, uh party or meeting.
AdamSo.
ChrisMm.
AdamI'm I'm going to have to leave you there.
AdamSorry Lee, sorry man.
LeeThat's all right.
AdamUh if you want to cut and then we can.
LeeNo.
LeeLet's leave it.
LeeLet's leave her rolling.
LeeLet's go with it if you want.
LeeJust Dandeo.
LeeSo, Chris, have you watched anything in the last fortnight?
ChrisI have.
ChrisI I watched uh the my first ever Creepshow Holiday Special.
ChrisWhich is also my first ever Creepshow, I think.
ChrisWe haven't watched any, have we?
LeeWe've not.
LeeNo.
ChrisNo.
ChrisRight.
ChrisAnd but so I think there used to be a Creepshow and these are sort of a new lot because they're modern.
ChrisBut I'm sure Creepshow's been around for a long time.
LeeThey were films, uh, they were.
ChrisOh, right.
LeeRomero um was involved.
ChrisOkay.
LeeYeah, Stephen King stories, I think the first ones.
LeeStephen King's certainly in it.
ChrisOkay.
LeeBut yeah, they're really good.
ChrisWell, they did they did two references, uh one to Landis and oh, I've got one of the other ones.
ChrisBut so I sort of thought, well, maybe they've been involved in it previously.
LeeOh, I vaguely remember.
LeeIs this the one where the young guy goes to the store at night in the dark?
ChrisNo.
LeeOkay.
LeeSorry.
ChrisNo.
ChrisUm so so it's called Shapeshifters Anonymous and it has a rather anxious man.
ChrisWho's worried that he is a uh a murderer.
ChrisUm and so he goes to this group called shapeshifters anonymous and they're all shapeshifters.
ChrisUm,
ChrisAnd it like it's I thought it was great fun.
ChrisI thought it was funny and great style and yeah, just very entertaining.
ChrisSo it's 45 minutes long, um, but yeah.
ChrisLike so it starts with him and he's worried about because he's finding strange things in his toilet.
ChrisAnd, you know, I mean that tells you the sort of comedy.
ChrisBut it's.
ChrisI won't give too much away.
ChrisBut uh to give you some idea.
ChrisI thought I'd look it up afterwards and see what do people think of it.
ChrisBecause I thought it was just pretty good really.
ChrisAnd if I'd seen that around Christmas time, I think, yeah, this is this is added to my Christmas experience.
ChrisUm, so two people liked it, it's on Rotten Tomatoes and they said a full action.
ChrisDrama horror Christmas film in less than an hour from Creepshow for shudder might become an annual tree.
ChrisAnd that's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking.
ChrisSomeone else said, if you like your festivities with a side of fun and frights.
ChrisThen a Creepshow Holiday Special is the perfect Yule Tide viewing.
ChrisYep, sure.
ChrisAnd then two other people who didn't like it.
ChrisUh not a single thing in a Creepshow Holiday Special is new or clever.
ChrisWell, that's just rubbish that.
ChrisMeans nothing.
ChrisA Creepshow Holiday Special doesn't feel all that special.
ChrisCaught between immensely imaginative ideas, but no proper method of bringing such delights to life.
ChrisWell, again, I completely disagree with that.
ChrisThey absolutely brought the imaginative ideas to life, so I don't know what they're talking about.
LeeRight.
ChrisYeah, so.
ChrisSo I enjoyed myself.
LeeI've just Googled it.
LeeI did not see that one.
LeeI saw the season, but I didn't see that.
LeeOh.
LeeSo I will definitely be going back to watch that because it looks very especially with your uh sparkling review.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah, yeah, I think that was a lot of fun.
LeeExcellent.
LeeWell done.
LeeAnything else?
ChrisNo, no, that's me this week.
LeeFantastic.
LeeRight, I shall give you a quick rundown because I've been extremely busy.
LeeUh but in Adam's absence, whoa.
AdamOh, hello.
AdamSorry about that.
LeeThat's all right.
AdamJust proving that Yeah, just just proving that we are.
AdamUh unedited is that was me getting the Sainsbury's shopping in.
LeeI'm going to.
ChrisHello, Bob.
LeeDid you get Chili Marmite, you can only get it in Sainsbury's.
LeeI'm very excited by it.
LeeUh, my entire family are currently scouring their online shops trying to purchase me some.
AdamNow, I will keep an eye out for that.
AdamSo I send that to you as a spicy care package.
LeeOh.
AdamHm.
LeeSo, sorry Adam, you were saying you watched Tales That Witness Madness.
AdamYes, yeah, so, yeah.
AdamSo the rundown of the stories, The Invisible Tiger, the haunted penny farthing, um, a man who sleeps with a tree.
AdamAnd I.
AdamYeah.
AdamA racially ambiguous Carly Voodoo Hawaiian ceremony.
LeeYeah.
AdamWith played by white people.
AdamSo yeah, that was just that was just with, you know, utterly confusing.
AdamBut it is as fucking barmy as that sounds.
AdamSo and yeah, Clare enjoyed that.
ChrisDoes it has Donald Pleasence in it?
AdamIt has Donald Pleasence in it and he really proves his own, he comes into it very well.
AdamIt's also got um Jack Hawkins in it from Theater of Blood and it's his last film.
AdamBut by this point it's when he uh he lost his voice to throat cancer.
AdamBut they kept um Charles Gray overdubbed him in loads of films.
AdamSo he was still working, he just couldn't speak.
AdamBut yeah, so Charles Gray did and it's Charles Gray on here I believe as well.
AdamSo.
AdamUm.
AdamBut uh.
AdamAnd um.
AdamI also watched.
AdamI think I think this was Netflix, there's a Russian uh Russian horror film called Sputnik.
AdamUh, Russian sci-fi horror thriller, so I mean we're in the same territory.
AdamIt actually thinking about it, this this is all quite thematic after Tales That Witness Madness.
AdamUm, but yeah, that's that's really that's really worth a watch.
AdamIt's basically aliens versus military sort of type shenanigans.
AdamReminded me a lot of Quatermass.
AdamBut it's basically, yeah, an astronaut returns and.
AdamIs essentially possessed of an alien.
AdamUm, but it's much more visceral than that and it's actually um but it's yeah, I I really rather enjoyed it.
AdamIt's definitely worth a check out. It's not mind-blowing but it's yeah, there are far worse films out there that you can spend an hour and a half with or whatever it was.
AdamAnd um, yeah, that and has some some good alien effects in it and also some good stylistic effects.
AdamThere's lots of it where bits of it just are security cameras.
LeeOh, right.
AdamSo you so you get kind of it gives it a bit of a documentary element.
AdamIt's not it is not found footage and you know, money has been spent.
AdamIt isn't Puts it in a category like the other.
AdamBut um, yeah, they do this sort of thing and but it makes sense later on because there's certain bits where you only see the you see the alien kill.
AdamBut in um only in like heat vision or night vision.
AdamAnd it's one of the weirdest things to watch because you're like, how have they actually fucking done that?
AdamBecause, you know, it's like they've obviously I mean, obviously they are digitally fucking with the image, but yeah, you've got like an alien giving off a heat signal.
AdamBut it's like, right, so you'd actually have to have had it there to make that heat signal.
AdamYou know, to because it's a very weird spindly beastie thing.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah, um, but yeah.
AdamThat's definitely worth what's that Sputnik.
AdamAnd I also watched uh Possessor.
AdamWhich is directed and written by Brandon Cronenberg, son of David Cronenberg.
ChrisOh.
AdamAnd frankly, the apple don't fall far from the tree.
LeeOh, really?
AdamNot to Yeah.
AdamIt it is it's fucking it's really good.
AdamIt's basically, I mean, if if you refer I can refer to it as a sci-fi thriller with body horror.
ChrisHm.
AdamFuck me, that's like that's the first 12 years of David Cronenberg's fucking career, isn't it?
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamUm, but it's yeah, it's it reminded me and not just because Jennifer Jason Lee's in it, but you reminded me a bit of say something like Existenz.
AdamOr Scanners.
LeeYeah.
AdamIn that sort of a sense of like being a an actual sort of thriller more than anything else.
AdamUm.
AdamBut basically, yeah, you've got uh Andrea Riseborough who played uh Mandy in Mandy um and he's also in Crocodile, which is one of the best fucking Black Mirror stories.
AdamUm.
AdamAnd um yeah, basically she's an assassin but what they do is.
AdamHe's they sort of mind swap you into the body of someone close to the target so you can get to them.
LeeOh, cool.
AdamSo so basically what happens is they sort of pick a person and then they have to analyze her.
AdamAndrea Riseborough has to sort of take on their persona to look so people won't be thinking why they're acting so fucking strangely.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd so so there's a lot of like surveillance watch and everything else like that, then they sort of leap into the body and then finally at the end of it, they uh kill the target and then by committing suicide in the body, they get pulled out.
LeeOh, cool.
ChrisThat sounds really good.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd and then, yeah.
ChrisA bit harsh.
AdamAnd yeah, it's uh and I mean, harsh is the fucking word.
AdamBecause it's one of those films a bit like say, um, you were never really here.
AdamWhere you just like the occasional, the occasional violent bits are really fucking violent.
AdamLike.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou all right, bloody hell, steady on old chap.
AdamIt's one of those ones, you know, where someone's like fucking, oh, Jesus.
AdamYeah, it's really, yeah, it's really brutal in those scenes.
AdamBut.
AdamThe um you get the sort of lovely thing with it where where because it starts off and she just does a job and then it's the aftermath where she has to go home to her family but you see her having to rehearse talking to her family the same way she has to rehearse being another person.
ChrisHm.
AdamBecause like the identity shift is going and everything like that, so she's outside.
AdamSo like, oh, hi honey, or you know.
AdamOh, I'm starving.
AdamOr whatever like that, you know, just to sort of try and uh yeah.
AdamBe themselves.
LeeOh, okay.
AdamBack to themselves.
AdamAnd yeah.
AdamSo.
AdamIt's a lovely.
LeeIt sounds.
AdamSo you've got that whole sort of weird.
AdamNot subplot but that weird.
AdamWhole other half going to it.
AdamAnd then she gets pulled in for a job and it goes, well, it it goes wrong and basically the person starts re-exerting their will.
ChrisHm.
AdamAnd so, yeah, and she can't get out of the body because she can't get the body to uh kill itself.
LeeOh.
ChrisThat sounds really good.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah, and it's yeah, and it like I say, it's Brandon Cronenberg, if you if we having watched The Fly, if you're in a Cronenberg movie, he really and like I say, I don't want I don't want it to sound like it's just like, oh, he just does his dad's thing.
AdamBecause this.
AdamThis feels new, it does it's not in any way looking back at David Cronenberg sort of work.
AdamIt doesn't have that it's not like Retro 80s or anything else like that.
AdamIt's that's one of the things I really like with it is the tech is very Apple.
LeeOh, right.
AdamSo so rather than the thing because you wouldn't have it nowadays, you wouldn't have like Frankenstein style big banks of sparkling wires and circuits and you know, it wouldn't look like primer or pie or something like that, so all this stuff because it's like commercially used kit.
AdamIt all looks it looks like you're sitting on a dentist chair with like a thing over your face and sort of and it's just but there's not a big deal made about that but it just feels so right that everything everything looks like a photocopier, you know, everything sort of like curved lines and beige.
LeeYeah.
AdamTo sort of like.
AdamYou know, and it's yeah, like very consumer electronics as it is now.
AdamAnd yeah, so it feels very it feels very today.
AdamIt.
ChrisBut yeah, when when was the film made?
AdamThis uh last year, 2019.
ChrisOh, okay.
ChrisAll right.
ChrisYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamAnd.
AdamUh sorry, yeah, last year.
Adam2020.
AdamThank you.
LeeUh.
AdamUh.
AdamMy scientific adviser has advised me that it was.
AdamYeah, so it's uh two years ago that it was made, it was made in 2019.
AdamAnd um.
AdamI've got somewhere I haven't watched it yet.
AdamBut I have got uh Brandon Cronenberg's first film called Antiviral.
LeeYes.
AdamUh so.
AdamI think I'm going to watch that because that's, you know, again, I'm just really I just really like Possessor.
AdamI thought it was great.
AdamSo.
LeeYeah, I remember Antiviral came out and people saying.
LeeAs you'd say very similar things to you that.
LeeHe's although he obviously his brain works in a very similar way and he's got a very similar way of looking at the world, it doesn't feel like he's just trying to recreate what his dad's done previously.
LeeLike it's totally his own thing, but yeah, you can tell it's definitely his son.
LeeYeah.
LeeWhich.
LeeIt's totally selling point.
AdamIs the is the lovely thing of it feels like exactly what his dad would do at his at his age if he was his age now.
AdamIs the best way I can put it and there's no.
AdamYou know, I I do love Cronenberg, so there's no I I definitely think that's a compliment.
AdamAnd it's good to see someone else out there doing because it's a fairly unique take.
AdamSo.
AdamYou know, it honestly it takes a Canadian to be that brutally cold, I would say.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd yeah, that's all the weather.
AdamSo.
LeeFantastic.
LeeUm, I've been super busy, I don't quite know where to start.
LeeSo this is the problem with me, I'm extremes.
LeeLast episode, I hadn't seen anything and now I've got like half a dozen things.
LeeUm.
AdamYeah, but it's not a backlog, it just bottlenecks and suddenly yeah.
LeeUh.
LeeSo uh, following the episode last week, um where we watched The Fly, um, I watched Matinee as you suggested Adam, uh which I believe you.
AdamWhat did you think?
LeeSuggest on air?
AdamI think I I think I did, yeah.
AdamBut yeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm.
LeeSo I, so Joe Dante's uh Matinee, I liked it.
LeeIt took a very long time.
LeeLike the first hour, nothing happens and I'm like, is Adam told me about the right film.
LeeBecause it's but then when it gets to the end, it's brilliant the last half an hour.
LeeYeah.
AdamI think I I yeah, I think that's the problem.
AdamIs I I I saw it years and years ago and I think it's that last half hour.
AdamIs my is my memory of it probably, yeah.
LeeOh, yeah.
LeeDefinitely.
LeeWhen I came away, yeah, I was like, oh, that was great.
LeeAnd then it wasn't till later on, I was like, there was a point about an hour in where I was like, is this going to go anywhere?
LeeBut yeah, I totally I'm totally glad I stuck with it, it was really good.
LeeUm.
LeeIt then led me down a bit of a rabbit hole.
LeeThere's when they're in the cinema at the end, there's a poster on the wall for a Vincent Price film called Confessions of an Opium Eater.
AdamOh.
LeeUm.
LeeWhich is very, very expensive to buy.
LeeUm, but the whole thing's.
LeeOn YouTube.
LeeSo I watched half of it.
AdamSo is it based on is it Thomas De Quincey's Confessions of an.
LeeI believe it's loosely based.
LeeYeah.
AdamRight.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm, but the problem with it is.
LeeI think it might have been a time thing.
LeeLike I didn't I didn't think that it was racially insensitive or anything.
LeeBut it was so stereotyped that like Vincent Price lands in San Francisco Chinatown.
LeeAnd every conversation sounds like it was written by a philosopher, like everything is, but we should go and do this.
AdamOh, right.
LeeAh, but wise man says and like and it's literally every single thing is just him back and forth.
LeeAh, but men who move too quickly, this is true, but also and it like after about half an hour.
LeeI was like, just get on with the plot.
LeeAnd stop with all of these and it.
LeeDrove me slightly mad to the point where I was like, I'm going to bed.
LeeScrew this.
AdamI think you're right, it is a racial caricature definitely to do that.
AdamDialogue wise and if they broke out in suddenly everyone's really good at kung fu as well.
AdamI think that would.
LeeA little bit.
AdamMaybe that's what happens, maybe that's the last like 20 minutes.
AdamIs bloody goes like fucking.
LeeOh.
LeeNo.
LeeSorry.
LeeYou're right, the first, the first 15 minutes nothing happens apart from a load of people who look like they could be Irish.
LeeUm.
LeeAgain, that's not being racist, saying they look, but I mean, because it's early America, I get the impression that they were the Irish immigrants and they were fighting with the Chinese immigrants on the beach.
LeeUm, yeah, so there was a lot of kung fu going on.
LeeAnd then it was just lots of grasshopper said stuff and I was like.
LeeOh.
AdamGrabbing.
LeeI was like, oh, this is a very long.
Leething so I gave up with that.
LeeUm.
LeeBut I'm glad I saw.
LeeUm.
LeeFollowing your last episode.
LeeI watched Saint Maud.
AdamOh, yes.
LeeUm.
LeeDarney saw it at the BFI, I think, when it was first released.
LeeAnd messaged me literally coming out of the cinema going, see it.
LeeSoon as you can, see it.
LeeI finally got my hands on a copy last week.
LeeWhat a brutal movie.
AdamFuck is it.
AdamYeah.
AdamAgain, that is something that Possessor has.
AdamIt's not it's in a different totally different way.
AdamBut it is that sort of thing where you go, fucking Ada.
LeeMm.
AdamYou know, especially especially when she starts scourging with the drawing pins and the shoes.
LeeYeah, oh that really, really.
ChrisThat sounds painful already.
AdamOh, it is great, but yeah.
LeeYou'll love it, Chris, it's so depressing and horrible.
LeeIt's just bleak as all hell, it's got your Christmas gift written all over it to be honest.
AdamI think I think you would like it, Chris, definitely.
LeeBut yeah, fantastic film, really, really enjoyed it.
LeeUm.
AdamWe may maybe we'll cover it at some point as well.
AdamBecause because yeah, because I mean I think.
AdamYeah, both of us can work.
AdamThe and something that came out like I was reading about reading about it afterwards, I read a interview with the director, Rose Glass.
AdamAnd.
AdamUh she said her main inspiration was Taxi Driver.
AdamAnd I was like, fuck yeah, I could really see that because it's basically it's yeah, it's a.
AdamRepressed female Catholic Taxi Driver.
AdamIt's just scarred in all places.
LeeYeah, it's scarred in all places.
AdamYeah.
AdamAdmittedly, when I first watched it.
AdamI was like and this is again, let's face it, all British Seaside towns look the same.
AdamBut at one point she walked past an arcade and I for and just for a second I was like, this is in fucking Southend is it?
LeeIs it when she walked past.
LeeThe one called Coney Island because Jennifer said exactly the same.
LeeJust is that in Southend?
LeeNo.
LeeIt isn't.
LeeNo, no, no.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd and then immediately she goes up the biggest set of steps you've ever seen.
LeeOh.
AdamTo a massive grand house.
AdamYou're like, that's not Southend.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt hasn't it hasn't been firebombed and they haven't got anything that high at Southend apart from I don't know the cab drivers.
LeeOh.
LeeUm.
LeeBut yes, I really enjoyed I enjoyed might be a strange choice of words.
LeeBut yeah, it was a good film.
LeeUm.
LeeSo I followed that up with another miserable favorite of Chris's, uh following Chris's suggestion, uh bought on Blu-ray recently.
LeeDonnie Darko.
ChrisOh.
AdamThe Arrow one.
LeeYes.
LeeYeah.
LeeTo watch the director's cut to see if it made any more sense.
LeeWas it a better film?
LeeYes.
LeeDid it make any more sense?
LeeNo.
LeeStill haven't got a bleeding clue what the bloody hell's going on.
LeeBut loved every minute of it, so you can't go wrong.
LeeUm.
ChrisYeah.
LeeThe only reason I'll bring that up is the so the woman who is the coach of the little girl's dancing squadron.
ChrisYeah.
LeeUh the very religious teacher.
LeeYeah, who's a bit of a pain in the ass.
LeeShe then turns up in this evening in this week's favorite watch.
LeeUm, Willie's Wonderland with Nicholas Cage.
AdamOh, yes.
LeeSo.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's back shit.
LeeUm.
LeeOh, yeah.
LeeIt's every bit as lunatic as you'd imagine.
LeeUh somebody sent me um a link to a kind of review.
LeeIt was like, oh yeah.
LeeThis is Nicholas Cage, he plays a mute who goes in to clean up a child's amusement park, uh where all of the characters are possessed by child murderers.
LeeUm and he has to battle them one by one as the night goes on.
LeeAnd it is that, nothing else.
AdamAnd you see.
AdamYou see I feel there's.
AdamKey information that was missed out of that trailer that would only make me want to see it more.
LeeOh.
LeeGod, I tell you what.
LeeMan, that should be the that should be on the cover of the fucking DVD.
LeeIf you want to see Nicholas Cage to, watch him kill his kids.
LeeSo much fun.
LeeUm.
AdamAnd it's.
AdamIt's all on.
LeeI've been doing that to every item in my house at the moment.
LeeIt's driving me.
LeeUm.
LeeSo yeah, that's it.
LeePretty much.
LeeUh and I watched the I won't cover it here.
LeeBecause it isn't necessarily horror.
LeeUh but the Netflix documentary on the Cecil Hotel is well worth a watch.
AdamOh, yeah.
AdamI've still got to check that out.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, it is it is.
LeeWell worth watching.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah, and it is it is funny to see how just a little bit of a normal disappearing, you know, somebody disappears and there's a little bit of information that's a little bit odd.
LeeAnd all of a sudden, thousands of people all over the world appear to be just giving up their jobs.
LeeAnd spending all day every day on the internet trying to solve this missing person crypts.
LeeYeah.
LeeBizarre.
LeeBut fantastic.
AdamI take it I take it you've seen Don't Fuck With Cats.
LeeNo.
AdamRight.
AdamSeriously, if that's if that's the stuff you've enjoyed at the Cecil Hotel, watch Don't Fuck With Cats.
AdamI promise you.
AdamIt is it's like one of those things where you just like, holy shit, you cannot do anything.
AdamAs long as you've got enough determined people with access to the internet.
AdamNothing can be unseen.
LeeOh, really?
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's.
AdamI mean it's an I think I I think I don't think it's that long, I think it's like three episodes maybe, um, even if it is or it's just a yeah.
AdamI think it's only like three episodes or something but it's really yeah, basically a guy and you and the good thing is they don't get in.
AdamYou know, you're not you're not seeing animals being tortured or anything.
AdamBut you have like basically this guy uploaded a video of him killing a kitten and people were outraged by it.
AdamAnd then the guy showed up doing another video similar sort of thing.
AdamAnd yeah, basically everyone was like, look what this sick fuck's done, let's track him down.
AdamAnd they do.
LeeNice.
AdamAnd it's like you don't see the guy in the video, you just see a pair of hands.
AdamAnd they managed to pinpoint where the fucking apartment probably is on the based on the basis of like fitments, lighting.
AdamUm, you know, sort of stuff like cigarette packets in the background.
AdamLike you can see the lettering on them and things like that.
AdamSeriously, it is like.
AdamSuch a.
AdamIt's incredible, especially because I believe if yeah.
AdamAgain, it's not a spoiler because it's a criminal case, so everything's out there.
AdamIs this guy did kill someone eventually.
AdamBut basically, when he killed someone, the police just turned up.
AdamAnd found like the dismembered body in the bin.
AdamAnd didn't think much of it.
AdamOr, you know, didn't think that.
AdamSeriously, and it's only because the rest of these people going, by the way, we've got the name of this guy killed a cat and we're fairly certainly killed a fucking woman.
AdamAnd eventually the police are like, oh, yeah, well, we'll take a look at it, oh, yeah, no, probably, yeah, you're probably right there, probably we'll piss going get him, hey.
AdamSeriously, it's like it's fucking ludicrous.
AdamAnd it's like I say, the whole thing is a testament to just the people who just pour over this stuff like the sort of web of online detectives.
AdamWho can do this sort of thing and yeah, it's just it's one of those ones that's like would be incredible without where it goes.
LeeSo.
LeeNow, I think the Cecil Hotel one might then be the counter to it because again, not to give you any spoilers, you know how that one ended up.
LeeUm.
LeeBut yeah, it's all these people doing this amazing sleuthing and then they'll go, oh, that was what happened.
LeeForget me saying anything really.
AdamIn a weird way, it's yeah, it's the opposite because I know what you mean with the Elisa Lam cases, that became such a um, you know, just an enduring mystery again because within a few years, it wasn't like, you know, legends that were built up over time or something like that.
AdamThis was something where there was video footage and things like that.
AdamBut still, yeah, at the end of it you just yeah.
LeeYou know what I'm saying, once they start like the little things they start finding and the amount of people who go there and recreate it so they can see it for themselves and spot things.
LeeLike it is it's amazing that people are that kind of obsessed over it and so much of it happened in the 19 days before a body was discovered.
LeeLike.
LeeUm.
LeeBut yeah, I mean it's it is fascinating and it does go to show you.
LeeAs you say, what mob mentality can do really for for good and bad.
LeeBut uh yeah, you have to.
LeeYou have to see.
AdamOh, definitely.
LeeSee yourself to sort of.
LeeUm.
LeeBut yes, but enough of that miserable real life stuff.
LeeLet's talk about something that couldn't be further from the truth.
ChrisOh.
AdamHmm.
LeeUm.
LeeYes.
LeeOh, but I mean.
LeeA bit like uh don't fuck with cats, let's be honest, Jeff Goldblum clearly fucking hates monkeys.
LeeUm.
AdamOh.
AdamActually, I couldn't I couldn't get it to work.
AdamI couldn't get my Blu-ray to work, but there is a.
AdamApparently there's an outtake called famously called pig cat.
LeeOh.
AdamAnd basically.
AdamAt some point, um Seth Brundle, yeah, fuses a pig and a cat and you get pig cat.
AdamAnd.
AdamOh.
LeeWhat's wrong with mice?
LeeThey're little.
LeeThey're cheap.
LeeWhy would you stick a bloody great baboon in there, you crazy fool.
AdamWell, not only that, I'll tell you what, right, we're getting we're getting into this right now.
AdamBecause.
AdamThe baboon.
AdamIs an actor called Typhoon.
LeeOh.
AdamSo.
AdamHe is.
ChrisThe baboon.
AdamYeah.
AdamI.
AdamThe thing was, I was watching it and I got really into, as I was describing him, the baboon.
AdamAnd.
AdamI love the I love the bit when uh Jeffrey Goldblum's talking to him and he's just sitting there like, I don't know mate, I'm a baboon.
AdamYou know.
AdamAlthough he does although that baboon does seem to say it does seem to have the look of your mate who's equally as wasted as you.
AdamGoing, I don't reckon that's a good idea.
AdamBut not actually caring or having the ability to actually get up and stop you.
AdamHe just looked at him really sort of like this.
AdamRight, that's it, I'm I'm going to go through, I'm going to go through.
AdamShe's not here.
AdamI'm going to go through.
AdamAnd the monkey does look at him like, I don't think you should, man.
AdamNo.
AdamNah.
AdamNah.
AdamAnyway.
AdamSo I got obsessed with the baboon.
AdamThe baboon is in four other movies.
ChrisOh.
LeeWow.
AdamAll three of those movies.
AdamAre on a list of the worst movies of all time.
AdamAnd I messaged.
ChrisThat is.
ChrisThat is impressive.
AdamYeah.
AdamI messaged Bobby before we came on, I haven't him, but um, because I wanted to ask him if he'd seen two of these movies.
AdamIn fact, all three of them sound so not for everyone.
AdamThat if they don't know them, I want them to cover them because I'm not going to watch them.
AdamBut I feel they would.
AdamAnd yeah, so he's in a film called uh Shakt.
AdamMa.
Adamuh from 1990 in which an experimental baboon goes mental in a lab facility and starts killing everyone with Roddy McDowall.
LeeYes, that goes on the watch list.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd he's also he plays the character Bo, which is again, please, because I've been referring to him as the baboon.
AdamUh he plays the character called Bo in two films about Super Spy Duncan Jack and Bo is his baboon sidekick.
AdamAnd.
AdamThey make two films of this Unmasking the Idol in which uh they have to stop the terrorist.
AdamScarlett leader from starting World War III.
AdamAnd the follow-up, The Order of the Black Eagle in which they have to fight Nazis hiding in South America.
LeeAnd he's made.
LeeBo.
AdamAnd so it sounds like it's like some crazy fucked up like Indiana Jones James Bond Super spy thing.
LeeHe's made.
AdamIt.
AdamIt's really.
AdamIt sounds so canon, isn't it?
AdamIt really does.
AdamAnd like I say, I messaged Bobby because I wanted to see if he was aware of these films because if not, and and here's the clincher, that first um movie, I'm asking the idol.
AdamIs 1986.
AdamAnd I know that that is their touchstone year.
LeeOh, yeah.
AdamSo yeah, if you're if you're listening gents.
AdamLet us know if you've seen them.
AdamAnd if you haven't or you have, please do episodes on them because frankly, they start.
AdamOne of the finest baboon actors and I think it's unfair to let him swelter in the doldrums of four films, three of which are on the worst films of all time list.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd that.
LeeOh.
AdamAnd sorry, I did get excited there, but yeah.
AdamWe we started with baboons, we started with baboons.
LeeSorry.
LeeThat's my fault, I dragged baboons in.
ChrisThat's a unique start.
AdamIt's a unique start.
AdamBut that's how good this that's how good I feel about this film.
AdamThat we can start at the baboon facts and just go higher.
LeeYeah.
LeeI agree.
LeeI do agree.
AdamWe haven't we haven't peaked.
LeeNo.
LeeChris, so I'm assuming this wasn't your first viewing of this film.
ChrisWell, no.
ChrisSo it wasn't my first year, and I've definitely seen it before.
ChrisUm, but it was also one of those things where it had been talked about a lot in school because of the ear dropping off scene.
ChrisRight, I don't know, I mean there's a lot that happens in this film.
ChrisThat could have been talked about for some reason that was the one.
AdamI.
AdamI.
AdamI was going to say.
AdamThe the key moments because I was watching it with Clare and the key moments I kept going, that was all around the playground.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it was and it was maggot birth.
AdamThe ear coming off.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
AdamSeeing his knob in the bathroom cabinet.
AdamAnd yeah, and I think I think the vomit as well, possibly.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamDefinitely the ear coming off was yeah, that went around the playground.
ChrisNow, I'm sure those other bits did get talked about, I did not remember them all in the cabinet.
ChrisBut yeah, um but for some reason the ear is what stuck in my mind over the years.
ChrisSo it's like that's what I think of when I think of this film and so yeah.
ChrisSo to to be reminded of everything else that happens in it, it's just like it it it just for me it started off and it's like yeah, yeah, this is good.
ChrisOkay.
ChrisI really like Jeff Goldblum.
ChrisUm I'd forgotten Gina Davis was in it.
ChrisAnd I remember.
ChrisI quite liked her at the time, I thought she did a good job in this, um but yeah.
ChrisJust I I love who Jeff Goldblum plays and his progression throughout and the way that he changes and it's just it just kept getting better.
ChrisEvery new scene was like, right, he's just made the previous scenes amazing and that's just got better and better and better.
ChrisAnd it and just it took me through such a roller coaster and I totally forgotten that the sort of depth.
ChrisThe depth that it builds, um and so yeah.
ChrisA couple of the uh things that I took away.
ChrisUm, I'll definitely need to use the phrase, I'm going to waxnic at some point.
LeeOh.
ChrisI've never heard that before.
ChrisUm, be afraid, be very afraid.
ChrisThat's obviously a classic.
ChrisUm.
Chrisphrase.
ChrisAnd and yeah, and then the bit where he said when his he's turned mostly and his mind has changed.
ChrisAnd he said, I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man, I'll hurt you if you say and I was like, that's it.
ChrisThey've just won.
ChrisLike we've seen some great films lately.
ChrisThat's done it for me.
AdamWell, because that's.
AdamThat's the there's a.
AdamWhat is it, the um, Zang Z dreams of a butterfly.
AdamIt's like an old Chinese proverb.
LeeYeah, funnily enough, going back to Lee's.
AdamYeah.
LeeProverb, that was the word I couldn't think of at the time.
LeeAnd I was like, oh, saying, no, they're not saying and in the end I was like, ah, just.
LeeBut yeah.
AdamWell done.
AdamThank you.
AdamI transcribed the whole thing because I thought Chris might pick up on it.
AdamAnd it's um and this I remember I remember getting read this at school like in primary school.
AdamAnd I'm like, shit, I had a fucking impressive teacher at that point.
AdamBut um.
AdamYeah, it was uh once once Zo dreamed he was a butterfly.
AdamFlitting and fluttering about happy with himself.
AdamAnd doing as he pleased.
AdamHe didn't know he was Xango.
AdamSuddenly he woke up and there he was solid and unmistakable Xango, but he didn't know if he was Xango who had dreamt he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming that he was Xango.
AdamBetween Xango and the butterfly, there must be some distinction.
AdamThis is called the transformation of things.
LeeAnd.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd it was just the transformation of things.
AdamBit that was like, right, well, I can see why that's that's got into the thing.
AdamPa.
AdamLike.
AdamThe obvious that.
AdamThe other the other thing though, you um, be afraid, be very afraid.
AdamUm, that line.
AdamIt came from the producer.
AdamOr one of the producers.
AdamWhich was Mel Brooks.
LeeWhat?
AdamYeah.
AdamHe because they said, oh, because they were I think basically they were reading the the proposed script to him and everything.
AdamAnd it was and he was like.
AdamSo um, she goes back and she's fried.
AdamShe's afraid.
AdamHe's like, yeah.
AdamBe afraid.
AdamBe very afraid.
AdamHe really and then they were like, yeah, that's the line we want.
AdamAnd then it's started with the poster and everything.
AdamBut yeah, Mel Brooks.
AdamThis is around the same sort of time because he obviously did like stuff like The Elephant Man and things like that.
AdamAnd he does sort of crop up.
AdamHe has far more contributions to horror than just uh Young Frankenstein and oddly enough not necessarily, you know.
AdamCertainly not horror comedies.
AdamI mean this is if you want one thing, you can't level at The Fly, it's not, you know, not that run around.
LeeBut.
LeeIt does.
ChrisIt does.
ChrisIt has.
AdamIt does have.
AdamSome lighter parts as well.
AdamLike so, you know, I totally forgot.
AdamThat as as he's changing and he's so pleased with himself and and he's, you know, becoming excited about it.
AdamAnd he's like this is something great and then he's getting stronger and and he's sort of feeling like he's, you know, peaking.
AdamIt's just.
AdamYeah, I I sort of forgotten.
AdamRight.
AdamYeah, so much of all of that.
AdamBut I.
AdamI think overall.
AdamUm because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a.
Adama double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
LeeOh, yeah.
AdamWhich is.
AdamFucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
LeeYeah.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you are possibly Chris.
AdamHave watched Star Trek Discovery, but apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
LeeOh.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
LeeYou know.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah, that's what I.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor and he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
AdamOverall.
AdamUm, because that that was the other thing.
AdamAs well is I don't know if anyone's seen it, obviously, um, David Cronenberg has a bit of a uh a double life as an actor.
AdamAnd he is he plays Dekin Nightbreed.
AdamWhich is fucking brilliant.
AdamHe really.
AdamYou know.
AdamHe really but again, he tends to play characters who feel.
Adama bit David Cronenberg is the best way I can put it, you know, they're always always like.
AdamYeah, intellectual but to the point that it's like, yeah, you don't have any morals left, do you?
AdamIt.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, but obviously there's he's in Jason X.
AdamUm, but apparently, and I've not I don't know if you've if neither of you.
AdamPossibility Chris have watched Star Trek Discovery.
AdamBut apparently he's got a recurring role in that.
AdamCharacter called Kovitch.
AdamAnd there is and literally he is.
AdamI saw a picture of it, it's Space Dave Cronenberg.
AdamIt's Dave Cronenberg with his big white hair.
AdamAnd his massive black glasses uh but in a silver suit.
AdamSo.
AdamBut um.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI.
AdamI think.
