Dead Snow
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Just in time for some of the hottest weather the UK has ever seen, we’re covering Nazi Zombies on Ice in 2009’s “Dead Snow”. An informative film that details basic avalanche orienteering techniques; the right and wrong ways to use a snowmobile and when not to lick a fat man’s fingers. A simple premise, a sense of humour and some balls out gore make this a fun horror ride. With no one safe and a seemingly never ending hoard of the undead, it manages to keep a level of tension, without having to reign in the humour as the film goes on, a very fine balancing act. Whilst not necessarily a movie for regular repeat viewing, it’s always a great ride while it lasts. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
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UnknownGood evening and welcome to Horror.
LeeI'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeAnd we're here this evening for a discussion on the 2009 film Dead Snow.
LeeUh there will be spoilers, there will be swearing.
AdamBastards.
LeeYes, I uh yeah, again, I think this is one of those films even if you haven't seen it and you've ever been on the fence.
LeeI don't think someone describing it to you is in any way going to spoil the uh it's all about the journey and the uh yeah.
AdamYeah.
LeeI think you know from the cover exactly what you're going to get with this film.
AdamYes.
ChrisAnd don't take the early advice of no movie talk for an hour or we won't be doing much here.
UnknownDon't don't be a nerd, who's been a nerd over there in the corner?
LeeAll of us, Adam.
AdamCan I just say that that was my first sitting there with a purely critical mind on, that was my first inaccuracy.
AdamWas, oh yes, of course, women find fat bastards who are film nerds absolutely sexually irresistible.
AdamI speak from experience there.
AdamThere's nothing quite like a lady just coming in after you've had a shit, you know.
ChrisThat that scene hasn't been in in many other films.
AdamCould I just say that was less believable than Nazi zombies?
ChrisYeah.
LeeYes, so for anyone who hasn't seen it, uh yes, Dead Snow is is exactly that, as I say, it's not a spoiler, it's all on the cover.
LeeUh it's a group go to a cabin in the woods, but in the woods in Norway.
AdamYes, in the mountains really, yes.
LeeAnd uh yeah, and basically awaken a bunch of Nazi zombies who uh they then have to try and escape from. Um yeah.
LeeChris, what did you make of this film when you were first viewing?
ChrisWell, yeah, as we've just said really, you know.
ChrisZombies, Nazis, uh Nazi zombies in the snow, I mean, what more do you need?
ChrisThat's that's the tram of fun right there.
LeeOh and it is a comedy horror as well just to play there for anyone.
ChrisIt is.
ChrisAlthough, I'll tell you what, it proper kicked off with the gore more than I wasn't quite expecting that level.
ChrisI didn't it definitely hadn't set me up for that.
ChrisI was like, oh no, this this is this is really going some.
ChrisI yeah, another scene I don't think you will see in many other films.
ChrisWhat what did he have his his intestines got caught on the tree?
LeeOh yeah, and he keeps running and they're just hanging out behind him.
AdamAnd before that someone is dangling off a cliff on some on someone else's intestines.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWell, there's a lot there's a lot I tell you that they the local butcher's shop must have done very well.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah, there are some fantastic kills in this, it's uh it's a it's a lot more it is, it's one of those that's better than the sum of its parts really.
LeeIt's just it yeah, I just I always find this film such a fun, daft, enjoyable watch.
LeeIt's yeah, it's one I can't remember, I can't remember if I went to see it at the cinema, I don't think it was released.
AdamI don't think it had a cinema release over here to be honest.
AdamI'm I'm pretty sure it did festivals, but I don't think it had like a general release.
LeeNo, so I think I heard about it from the festivals and bought it the day it was released on DVD, and then again, as soon as it came out on Blu-ray, I was like, yeah, I need a proper high definition copy of that film because.
LeeAnd it even on Blu-ray, the gorge just looks fantastic for the budget, it's amazingly good.
AdamEffects-wise, I mean, it's he's really quite impeccable, you know, it's it.
AdamThey've they do such a good job and it's that correlation as well there is a distinct thing of there is a there is a sort of offshoot of horror comedy that is all about as much splatter as you can get into it.
LeeYeah.
AdamEvil Dead 2's kind of the king of it, but definitely yeah, the that it's it's gore to the point of Looney Tunes.
AdamWhere it's sort of just absurd frankly, it's um.
ChrisAnd that is that is one of the films they mentioned.
AdamYes, yeah.
ChrisAnd and it does you know it does definitely give you a little bit of that.
ChrisWhen you're all in the cabin together and.
LeeThey borrow quite heavily for Dead Snow 2 from Evil Dead 2 as well, which I fully appreciate, but I'll get into that a bit later.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah, so Adam, did I see this for the first time with you?
LeeDid you come to mine and we watched it when it first came out as I remember?
AdamI'm pretty sure that's the way round it was.
AdamBecause again, because funnily enough, I was saying to Claire because it's sort of um.
AdamYou know, this is 2009 and so at that point it would have been I want to see the horror comedy with zombies and Nazis.
AdamI'm going to have to invest.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, that's that was the only way that you were going to see it was you had to buy the as it is, it's the DVD that I've got.
AdamAnd um yeah, I think we would have we would have watched it, I probably brought it round or whatever and we watched it then because.
AdamAgain, it was one is one of those things where it was like you were reading about it in well, probably magazines as well as online.
AdamUm and again, it was just getting such it was getting such good notices and everything else like that.
AdamAnd um.
ChrisBut what why does it work?
ChrisAnd what why did they go, you know what, this is the film we've got to make, right? And because you could think it's just going to be terrible.
ChrisAnd it it might have been.
ChrisBut what what gave you that impetus to be like we're pretty sure this is going to be good.
AdamI think it was it was weird, I think certainly from reading about it, people were just like, look, this isn't incompetent.
AdamYou know, it wasn't like because there are certain ones where it's like it's a low budget film but it doesn't have the strength to it, there's no there's no crap actors in this or anything else like that, it doesn't have that element to it.
ChrisI actually I quite liked um every so often they go into English.
ChrisWhich does actually add a bit of a amusement to the the words they're using.
LeeYeah, when you suddenly catch an English phrase.
LeeBut the second film is all in English.
ChrisOh, okay.
AdamOh, okay.
LeeI'm guessing it did so well over here and in the states that they were like, oh if we make it in, make the second film in in English, it'll get a bigger.
LeeBecause yeah, so the first one is all all in Norwegian with subtitles.
ChrisI quite like they sneaked in some public service announcements about uh if you get stuck in an avalanche, spit and you know which way to, so I've I've learned something that could save my life one day.
AdamWell, because um because the director Tommy Wirkola has done sort of this was kind of his calling card and then he got he was doing English language films.
AdamSo he did there's the Christmas horror Violent Night.
LeeOh yeah.
AdamNever seen it, but he did that.
AdamAnd he also did, and I know you've this is one you've uh talked about before, he did Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters.
LeeOh, do you know what, it's really funny, I was about to suggest that as our next episode and I didn't know that was why.
AdamOh, there you go.
AdamSo it's obviously put in a sort of an element of uh certainly that's obviously come through.
AdamSo then obviously he did those and then he did uh Dead Snow 2. So I wonder if it was because also like he was doing at that point he was doing English language films as well, so I mean maybe they were just like commercially, you know, are you going to do because I don't know I mean it was sort of like it was very well well received sort of like in America and here, so and I'm assuming did pretty well in in Norway, but.
AdamI I don't know, you know, it might have just been a commercial decision and it's like, well, you know, we'll get if we get more viewers or we get more exposure if it's in English, I don't know.
LeeHmm.
LeeBut yeah, so this so this film came out around the same time, so there was a bit of a sort of explosion of Scandinavian horror because I remember so we had Let the Right One In came out in 2008, the year before this.
LeeThen we had this and then in 2010 we got Rare Exports and Troll Hunter.
ChrisYeah, I was thinking, yeah.
LeeYeah, all of which are, I mean, obviously, Let the Right One In is not a horror comedy, um but the others certainly are, but yeah, they just seem to be this influx of films coming from that part of the world and they're all brilliant.
LeeThere was just so much good stuff came but then it sort of died out pretty quickly.
ChrisThere's like a director doing workshops or something and.
LeeYeah, I mean, it could have been or it could have been like a grant thing, you know, like Canada obviously gives loads of money to, but I don't know if maybe the Scandinavian countries were doing something similar.
AdamIt I mean sometimes it may just be it can just be sort of generational that was about to say generational penetration, but that sounds fucking wrong.
AdamUm, but um you know, it's just sort of like you get a group who have sort of like been sort of they're of the same generation, so they all sort of produce and so they're influenced by similar sort of stuff.
AdamYeah, so they're all doing, well as you say, apart from Let the Right One In, but then that's based on the book as well, but you also get a lot like people doing horror comedies and you you know, sort of like that is a a sort of unique thing where it's like suddenly you'll get a bubbling of them.
AdamBut then it's like that time, what was that there was that time when um like there were loads of asteroid movies and things like that, sometimes it's just idea space suddenly just everyone's thinking about let's do let's do a film about an asteroid or.
LeeYeah.
AdamLet's do like that year where there were like three films about Christopher Columbus and things like that and you know.
AdamIncluding I believe I'm thinking about it, including I think Carry On Columbus.
AdamSo you know.
LeeUh but yeah, I say it that is one of the things I love about this, again, it's it does it's it's that thing where it gets everything right in the right proportions.
LeeSo the like the zombies are scary, they are menacing.
ChrisAnd they're not they're not slow-moving ones either, these are fast, yeah.
LeeUm the gore is exceptional, I mean, the the kill where he knocks the zombie out and then drops the snow speeder on its head and just revs it until it rips it to bits is just.
ChrisBrilliant.
LeeI love it.
LeeUm, yeah, the amount of gore that they're all covered in in that final scene where they're still at the.
LeeUm and it's got that great thing of nobody being safe as well, which is always something that I uh.
AdamYeah.
AdamThere's no and um you've also got I mean there's I I'm pretty sure it's unique in having someone bite a zombie first.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, I'm I'm pretty sure that's that's fairly sort of unique for this.
AdamUm because that was the that was the thing as well is because this is it's from that standpoint and weirdly enough, I think by then it was it was almost like becoming.
AdamCliche is the wrong word, but it was a thing that was pretty common was the idea of you have someone in there who's like, oh, I've seen zombie films, so I know how zombies work.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo, you know, everyone's like, well, he said don't get bitten or and so on and so forth, and it's like, yeah.
ChrisThat's when that point you're like arguing, look, you know, they're not going to turn you, look, surely, they're not interested in you joining them, like, you're like, I ain't taking any chances.
AdamI have to say, I think there was also some fantastic harbinger work from the scary Bob Mortimer.
LeeYeah.
AdamYes, Bjorn Sundquist, um when he just comes in and does a nice little chile because.
AdamYou do need that in the midst of it all just to give it the right level of scare.
AdamBecause that's the thing is it's that that's the one point where it's like that would be in the straight version of the horror film.
LeeYeah.
AdamUm, but equally.
AdamI mean, there's because I I think the thing is that the zombies are.
Adammenacing and like Colonel Herzog, the head of them is clearly just pure menace, but a lot of the troops are also comedic.
AdamLike there's the bit where they're looking up the tree bewildered or where one of them bites through their um like insulated jacket and he's just choking on feathers and stuff like that.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo and a lot of them are a bit sort of, you know, proper sort of mindless imbecilic sort of things as well as vicious killing machines, you know.
LeeIt yeah, it is it's great yeah, it is it's that thing of Herzog is obviously so he is the brains of the operation, yeah, everybody else are these not dithering isn't the word because they are just.
LeeYeah, they they're ready to go and just kill a moment's notice the second he gives them the the nod really.
LeeUm but yeah, there's something about him and the makeup of him as well, like all the zombie makeup is good, but his is just horrific.
LeeIt's.
AdamYeah, they they knew that he was going to be the image because a lot of funnily enough, I think the a lot of the zombies in this resemble the zombies in.
AdamUh Plague of Zombies, is that sort of gray, angular, white-eyed look that you get in Hammer's Plague of Zombies.
AdamUm, but yeah, I know I mean Herzog, I I don't know if that's a a reference to Werner Herzog or just it was, you know, they were just like, think of a German.
LeeYeah.
AdamThink of a German, Hitler, can't do that.
ChrisOh okay.
LeeBut yeah, just it's um so the the second one just to give you the heads up.
LeeSo obviously the right spoiler alert, if anyone who doesn't want to know how the film ends.
LeeSkip forward five minutes from now.
LeeGive me a minute, give me a minute.
LeeYeah, so obviously, the final, he thinks he's given back the gold, doesn't realize he's got one last piece in his pocket.
LeeThinks he's safe in the car, and all of a sudden Herzog's next to the next to the car.
LeeUm and we assume that that's it and he dies.
LeeBut actually, the the second film follows on exactly from that scene.
LeeHe gets his arm in through the window, but the guy manages to escape.
LeeBut the link to Evil Dead 2, and again, it's in the first five minutes of the film, so it's not giving too much away.
LeeHerzog loses his arm and it falls in the car with our blood scared doctor.
LeeHe ends up in a car wreck where he loses his arm, they find Herzog's arm.
AdamOh no, he's already cut his arm off, hasn't he by that point?
LeeYes.
LeeUh that's right, yes, so they find Herzog's arm.
AdamHe cuts it off before the end of before the end of this one, yeah.
LeeYou're right, sorry, yeah.
LeeUm, so he has a car wreck, they find the arm in the car, assume it's his, reconnect it.
LeeUm, so he wakes up in the hospital, they assume he has killed all of his friends.
LeeHe's trying to convince them that he hasn't, but the arm is trying to murder all of the nurses.
AdamSo the arm is still under Herzog's power, right, okay, yeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamVery Evil Dead 2 then, yeah, I can see that.
LeeMassively.
LeeUm, but yeah, so it's obviously got a much bigger budget, the second film, the effects and stuff are more.
LeeThe effects in this were great, but they've got more like CGI type, but good CGI still.
LeeUm like not not overused.
LeeBut yeah, so I only watched half of it because I haven't seen the second one in a long time.
LeeUm, but yeah, it's it's definitely worth a watch if you like this, as I say, the fact that it's in English as well, makes it that bit easier to have on.
LeeIt's it's a bit of a background movie.
ChrisYeah.
LeeUm, but yeah, it's it again, it's great fun, stupid over the top gore and the same type of comedy.
LeeIt's just more of the same, it's just like add an extra hour and a half onto the end of this film really.
ChrisAlright, I could handle that.
AdamThat was that was the thing is I was saying to Claire is that there's an element where I feel this would be a party movie.
AdamApart from the fact that it's subtitled and I don't and I don't know why that is, but that just doesn't seem to translate to it, because it's like.
ChrisIt makes you like stare at it.
AdamBecause you because you because you are concentrating, you can't be off picking drinks or rolling funny-looking cigarettes or.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisIt's fun because you can have a film on and not have the sound on necessarily, but when you see the subtitles, you like, I'll just read that, I'll just read that next bit, like.
AdamOddly enough, I was I did then say, but you stick it on on the tellies in a club during a metal night and people would just be over the fucking moon with it.
AdamBecause, you know, it's it's a good.
AdamI mean, what is this, 20 minutes of set up and then it's pretty much zombie attacks.
AdamAfter.
ChrisZombie attack and blood and guts and everything else like that.
ChrisI.
AdamI mean, I have to say, I mean, I watching it, I was like.
AdamI don't know if it's got for for me, I don't know if it's got a lot of repeated value.
AdamIn so much as I watched it and I was like, oh yeah, I remember and as it was going on, I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that bit and I remember that bit and everything like that.
AdamSo I think there is probably because.
ChrisIt's not like there's too many twists or you know what I mean, I think.
ChrisYou truly learn, but yeah, if you just want straightforward entertainment.
AdamBut definitely just just as a sort of like a madness.
AdamBecause there is a film uh there is a film it reminds me a bit of and that's basically undead Nazis.
AdamIt's a film called Shock Waves.
AdamUm, but I think.
LeeI haven't seen that.
AdamPeter Cushing and um John Carradine.
LeeI've got it and I've never seen it, I know it's an absolute classic, but I've never seen it.
AdamYeah, and it it's very uh that's basically scuba Nazis scuba Nazi zombies.
AdamSo it always seems I was that's the other thing is it seems to be Nazi zombies have to involve a medium of some sort.
AdamSo obviously this is Nazi zombies on ice which.
Adamfrankly, anyone would go to if they had it at the hotel.
AdamUm and that is uh that is Nazi zombies underwater with Peter Cushing.
AdamSo it's sort of yeah, it does sort of feed into the sort of thing.
AdamBut Shock Waves is is serious for want of a better expression, you know, whereas this is, you know, this is properly for laughs.
AdamI mean, I have to say, I think I have not.
AdamThat bit that I felt an absolute kinship, which is where they're getting all ready and feeling battle ready and sort of everything, throws the Molotov cocktail, misses the window, burns the place down.
AdamAnd I thought, yep, that's exactly what I'd fucking do cuz I'm a fucking idiot.
LeeI love that.
LeeBecause it's the thing that never happens in films.
LeeThey always throw them and they go exactly where they're supposed.
AdamThey're always confident, they're always competent, that's the word I'm looking for, yeah.
LeeYeah, burning down the building that you're hiding in because you missed the window is just genius.
LeeI just laughed so hard at that.
AdamI also have to say, what the fuck is up with that girl?
AdamThere's people swinging shotguns and knives and chainsaws and axes.
AdamDon't gently tap them on the shoulder.
LeeThat's.
AdamLike, don't creep up, that's how you frankly, not pushing the victim blame, that's how you get a fucking axe in the neck, you silly cow.
AdamBecause that just don't do that, make yourself very well known.
ChrisBut again, they're the mistakes that people do make.
ChrisAnd afterwards you go, why? I just didn't think, I don't know.
AdamLike.
AdamAlthough the most serious thing is back to the back to the film nerd on the loo.
LeeYeah.
AdamThat girl goes and sucks his fingers, he hadn't even washed his hands.
LeeEven he said no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
LeeLike, I kind of get it, they're in a cabin, I'm guessing I didn't see any other room, so I don't know if they're all just sleeping in one room, so therefore there's no privacy, so the only privacy is that.
LeeBut wait outside until he's finished and then go in there with him, don't just jump in while he's halfway through, that is the least sexy sex scene I've seen in my life.
AdamLingering in the smell of his lead.
ChrisAnd and it wasn't like really short either.
AdamYeah.
LeeI I love that thing that once he'd slept with her as well, when she went missing, he was just like, ah, she's probably about somewhere.
LeeIf he hadn't slept with her, he'd have been the first one out there looking for her.
LeeYeah, but once he had sex, he was like, ah.
AdamYeah, I did think you fucking need mates like that.
AdamAnd there's some of them are worried and some of them just could not give a flying fuck.
AdamAnd I'm just thinking.
AdamRegardless of Nazi zombies.
AdamThat is there's no way you're going to survive out on those fucking mountains.
LeeNo.
AdamIt's like, you know, uncovered, you that's it, you're fucked.
AdamBut still no one was like, nah, she'll be all right.
LeeThat was the thing that spoilt that for me because I did every time you saw them in that cabin and you saw the big thick heavy snow outside and they were in that lovely warm cabin with the fire and they were drinking beer and playing games, I was like, that looks like a weekend I could get behind, that looks so good.
LeeUntil somebody says, I've got to go to the toilet and you see this shed outside and I was like, you know, that's the point I'd check out and walk back to the car, I think.
LeeI couldn't walk outside in that every time I leave here, that's ridiculous.
AdamBut I think yeah, there's like you say, there is there is a no one safe policy with it, which is rather.
AdamYou know, there's there's not an obvious person who's going to make it to the end.
LeeNo.
AdamAt any point, which is.
LeeI'd assume it was the guy on the snowmobile because I thought he's definitely going to be there.
ChrisYeah, the film is desperate to tell you how cool and capable he is.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd then it turns out.
ChrisYeah, like it went proper Rambo.
AdamNo, he's not, no, he's not, yeah.
AdamWhich which again is you know, a fantastic sort of way to undermine it as well.
AdamAnd I think there's just.
ChrisIt's the right style.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd I mean just even down to the fact that they're facing off against like 10, whatever it is, and then the whole fucking mountain side erupts in a in what I'm assuming is a battalion or a division or so you know.
AdamA fuckload.
AdamAnd it's like, yeah, no, that's taken a.
LeeWhich again, that's the thing, once you realize that they can come back again, you're like, well, there's always going to be 300 of them, like, it doesn't matter what you do, they're always going to come back, they might not be in a good state, but they're going to keep coming back and there's always going to be all 300 of them, you're like, oh shit, yeah, they really nothing they do is going to get them out of this.
AdamAlso has to be said, I was very, I was very taken with the idea of killing Nazis with a hammer and sickle, comrade.
LeeYes.
LeeI love that symbolism as well, I saw that this time and picked up on that.
LeeExactly, I love this film, but I like you, Adam, I've probably only seen it, so I saw it with you.
LeeI think I'd I'd watched it once more in the first few months, maybe the first year of it coming out, then when it came out on Blu-ray and I got it on Blu-ray, I watched it then again.
LeeAgain, I don't think it's come off the shelf since and it's not because I don't like it, but it is just because it's quite a straightforward as you say, linear story.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt is what it is.
AdamI think I've watched it that first time that we watched it maybe once since and once more since then apart from for watching for this.
AdamUm, but.
AdamAnd I'll tell you what, I think as well, because obviously, like we've done uh we we've done um let the right one in, we at some point we really have to do Troll Hunter because I just want A, I want to see Chris's reaction to it and also B, it's just a fucking good excuse to watch Troll Hunter.
AdamWhich you know.
AdamBecause I think I think that's a film that has it's a different a far different sensibility because that works in the same way as say, um, I don't know, something like, well, in the documentary sense of something like what we do in the Shadows or something like that, but there's so much in there as well that that is going on and it's not sort of it's not a straightforward um plot in in the way that this is this you could make Dead Snow seriously if you see what I mean.
AdamThankfully, they made it funny because I think actually it would be less of a film to just this straightforward.
LeeI think.
LeeIt'd stand out as much.
AdamI think.
LeeThat's what I mean.
LeeYeah.
LeeI think the comedy is so.
LeeSo good and so funny.
LeeHmm.
LeeYeah, I think that's that's why it works so again, like we've said, comedy horror are just just so good and so much fun.
LeeYeah, I do think they've they bear up to rewatching more and then become more memorable as well.
LeeBecause like you say, you know, the burning down the cabin and stuff, oh and coming out with the snowmobile with a massive great big anti-tank gun attached to the front.
LeeLike.
LeeLoads are the things that stick in your memory.
LeeA serious film, if you've not got them, you're like, ah, it's another zombie Nazi film, you know.
AdamWell, also, you can't you can't put those bits in.
AdamIn the serious sense because you keep it at that point and that because there's nothing worse than.
AdamI want to be serious and now you're laughing.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, at least you know, subvert is go the other way and it's like, right, if we make this deliberately funny, people might not fucking laugh.
AdamBut at least we haven't made something deathly serious that people are pissing themselves laughing at, yeah.
AdamYou know, that's probably the the better of the two options, I think.
AdamYou know.
AdamBut um but I mean certainly I I would if I'm glad you've sort of said about it because I was like, I'd forgot.
AdamTo be honest, I'd totally forgotten that there was a sequel as well.
AdamSo I hadn't.
AdamI hadn't.
AdamSo I hadn't just sort of like it wasn't just not watching uh not having seen this for so long.
AdamBut um yeah, I'd totally forgotten they'd done a sequel.
LeeWell, it was about six years.
LeeLike five, six years later.
LeeThere was a long gap before it came out.
AdamWhich normally.
AdamYeah, cuz well, like I say, I think he did like five or six films in between or, you know.
AdamUm.
AdamHe also did something called it sounded really intriguing like he's done like a.
AdamIt was like a sci-fi film called whatever happened to Monday.
ChrisHmm.
AdamOr something like that.
AdamWhich.
LeeOh, I vaguely remember that, I think that was a Netflix movie.
LeeBecause I remember keep seeing it, it was one of those ones they kept from up to every time you logged in the Netflix.
LeeIt kept putting it to the top of your list every time.
AdamAnd.
AdamSomebody like me go, fuck you, Netflix.
LeeExactly.
AdamIt is always the way.
AdamIt's like I I don't know why they can't figure that out.
LeeMore they push it, the less I want to watch it.
AdamThe the best thing they could do is they just keep if if they just kept sending out things saying.
AdamLook, please remember that this film is not on Netflix.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd everyone will be like, why is it not on Netflix? Why is it been taken off Netflix? I'm a grownup, I can see it, I pay good money, why can't I see it?
AdamAnd then, that's what it fucking goes.
AdamBut you keep saying to people like, piss off, I don't want to.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, you want to hard don't hard sell it.
AdamBut yeah, and that that looks really sort of quite intriguing and I don't know because I mean what's the what's the sort of mood with mood?
AdamLike the tone with Hansel and Gretel.
AdamIs that sort of still playful or.
LeeYeah, yes.
LeeIt is.
LeeSo, yeah, so it definitely it so it isn't all out comedy.
LeeHmm.
LeeBut it doesn't take itself seriously either, it's uh it's kind of somewhere in between.
LeeWhich which I think is why I like it.
LeeBecause it's.
LeeYeah, I mean, it's daft and it knows it's daft.
LeeBut yeah, it doesn't kind of over-egg it and it doesn't try to be a full-on horror comedy because it definitely isn't.
LeeUm.
AdamNo.
LeeBut yeah, no, I I'd really like it, I just be keen to know what you think, because I know you didn't see it, but I was very keen to see it when it first came out.
LeeUm it sort of had that Van Helsing type look to it in the trailer.
AdamYeah.
LeeAnd it's not dissimilar to Van Helsing in its kind of style and pacing really.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisSo I want you to see.
AdamYeah, cuz Van Helsing's definitely got that that feel to it.
AdamThe um that's kind of it's in that sort of.
AdamI suppose that sort of Indiana Jones sort of thing, like an adventure sort of setup, rather than a straight ahead horror setup.
AdamI remember I remember really enjoying um Van Helsing.
AdamI mean, it's not it's not a classic by any means of any of the examples of the monsters in it.
AdamNo.
AdamBut as a monster mash, like, you know, and you've got the universal monsters.
AdamSo, you know.
AdamWere they I'm this is just a weird recall.
AdamAnd I I I think I'm going off track here.
AdamI'm pretty sure, did they make figures for Van Helsing?
LeeOh, I don't know.
LeeI wouldn't be surprised.
AdamI'm going to have to look this up because I'm pretty sure I remember the Frankenstein's monster from that like a figure that sort of fell apart like he could take bits of his head off.
AdamAnyway, I'll take that offline and I will actually look.
AdamAnd.
AdamBecause.
AdamJust.
AdamYeah, because that was another one of those things where it's just that weird thing every so often they try and get.
AdamThe universal horrors like they try and get it back off the ground and it always faulters.
LeeYeah.
AdamNot necessarily through anyone's fault, I think it's just sort of like it might just be that they never they either never time it right or they just don't quite swing it in some way or another.
LeeYeah.
LeeI you're you're right, absolutely, and I've got the same relationship with Van Helsing.
LeeI know.
LeeIt's the same thing as I've got yeah with Hansel and Gretel.
LeeIn that.
LeeI know it's not a good movie.
LeeI'm well aware of that.
LeeBut there's something about it that I just find endearing and I enjoy watching.
LeeAnd I.
LeeAnd those two films have got the same, I mean, I've watched them both of those films, I would say I've seen them both half a dozen times.
LeeWhich is more than some stuff that I'm like, oh, this is an absolute stone cold classic.
LeeLike, okay, well how many times have you seen it? Twice, and you've seen Hansel and Gretel witch hunters how many times? Probably eight.
LeeLike.
LeeLike it's it it it's.
LeeThere's no sense to it, but again, it's just one of those that's just fun and you check your brain at the door, you don't have to think about it, you don't have to set the mode and let the ambiance take it, it's just a daft fun.
LeeIt it's like it feels like um like a universal ride.
LeeLike it's that type of a of a feel to it, like a universal roller coaster.
LeeYeah, and it it just works for me, so.
LeeI I regret nothing.
AdamThis will probably date this, but uh they have announced today the name of the universal park that they're doing in Bedford.
LeeOh, have they?
AdamIt's the universal United Kingdom Resort is what they're going to call it, apparently.
AdamSo.
LeeOh, that's not very imaginative about that.
ChrisSays says what it is.
AdamYep.
AdamSo, but you never know that that could be that's when they resurrect it.
AdamThat's when they have the Van Helsing ride.
LeeOh God, I definitely go if I had a Van Helsing ride.
AdamStill, it's uh but yeah, I mean, Van Helsing still an entertaining film.
AdamI also have an affection for it for seeing it on the screens at uh Frankenstein 1888.
LeeYes.
LeeYes, while we sat in there drinking cocktails in Edinburgh.
AdamIt was Glasgow, wasn't it?
LeeWas what?
AdamIt was Glasgow.
ChrisThat's that's how many cocktails were drunk.
LeeIt was, yes, so yes, so I went with you to Glasgow and then we got another one in Edinburgh, which I've also been to.
LeeYeah, yeah.
LeeYeah, so yeah, you're right.
LeeThat's how good the cocktails were.
LeeI didn't even know what city I was in.
LeeThat's great.
LeeUh yes.
LeeSo, yes, so that.
LeeDead Snow definite recommend for me.
LeeUm it's yeah, it's daft, it's fun, it again, it's a short 90 minutes or thereabouts, it's not a long film, I don't think.
AdamYeah, no, it's it's it's um yeah, I think it's 90, yeah.
LeeA 91 minutes.
LeeYeah, yeah.
LeeOh, there we go.
LeeBut yeah, and as you say, it is it's that no setup.
LeeNo messing about, you get 15 minutes to find out what everybody's name is and then you're and then you get the scary harbinger turns up and then it's just zombie, zombie, zombie right through to the end.
LeeIt's it's great.
LeeUm.
LeeYes.
LeeSo our next episode is going to be episode 250.
AdamOoh.
ChrisThat's pretty good.
LeeI can't believe we're still here.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm can't believe we're still alive.
AdamHuh.
LeeUm yes, so we're going to do something different, so uh we're not going to announce it, we're just going to drop it and you can find out what we've uh come up with.
LeeBut yeah, so there's no homework for the next episode, so you've got plenty of time to go and watch um Dead Snow, I I'm definitely going to we are definitely going to have to put Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters and Troll Hunter on for our uh.
LeeUnder.
LeeUnder our list of must do films before we all finally yeah, stop doing this, because I need to cover both of those, because they're both great fun, so yeah, just so much fun.
LeeAnd again, Chris.
ChrisNow we've got to 250, we've got to get to 500.
LeeAh.
LeeAn episode.
AdamI was speaking.
Adam300.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisThere we go.
ChrisWe've said it.
AdamVery ambitious, Chris, I love it.
LeeYeah, one of my favorite podcasts has just made it to episode 666.
AdamLast podcast.
LeeHe's lost.
LeePodcast.
AdamYes.
AdamCuz I was I was I've been funnily enough, I've been watching it on Netflix.
AdamBecause.
AdamClaire's really been introduced to them via Tik Tok cuz they just show clips on there of like their the Twitch the Twitch streaming and stuff like that.
LeeYeah.
AdamUm.
AdamSo yeah, so we've been watching it on there, which is uh a lot of fun.
AdamYes.
LeeYeah, I'm very tempted to go back to a Netflix subscription, I haven't had it for a while, because I went for a phase of everything I wanted to watch was never on there.
LeeI say it was just always full of stuff that I had no interest in, but yeah, I think I might have to go back to a subscription for a while just to uh to catch up on all that stuff.
AdamOurs.
AdamOurs is literally because Claire phoned up and got our um phoned up Virgin got our package reduced.
AdamUm.
AdamIt was it was the only way, otherwise I'd be dressing everywhere now.
AdamUm.
AdamBut um yeah, we got the package.
AdamAnd while they were there, they went, you know, you get like a Netflix subscription if you want it, like what for free?
AdamAnd she went, yeah, I'm like, all right then.
AdamSo that's literally why we've got it.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamThat's I think and that's pretty much all we're watching on there is last podcast.
LeeI can't remember if I mentioned it on the episode.
LeeI think I might have discovered it just after, so just after we did our Call of Cthulhu episode.
LeeThey released the trailer for the new Minions movie.
AdamYes, yeah, you did mention it on the episode.
LeeYeah.
LeeI did.
LeeOh, okay.
LeeRight.
LeeYeah, so I'm still looking forward to that, but uh yeah, it is yet to materialize, we shall see.
LeeAnyway, we've waffled on long enough, thank you ever so much for listening, everybody.
LeeGo and check out Dead Snow, uh go and check out um uh yeah, don't check out uh Troll Hunter and Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters.
LeeBecause we will be returning with those as episodes shortly.
LeeUm and we'll see you for a big celebratory episode.
LeeUh in a fortnight's time.
LeeThanks very much for listening.
LeeGood night.
AdamGood night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night.
LeeI'm going to look at the website, Chris has made it lovelier, even lovelier.
