We Have Been Watching

0:23 Lee Good evening, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:25 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:28 Lee And we're here this evening with spoilers and swearing for another we have been watching.

0:34 Lee Before we kick off, I'd like to say a big happy birthday to Chris, who just had his birthday last weekend.

0:40 Chris Thank you.

0:41 Adam And I'd like to say a big preemptive birthday to Lee, who will be after this episode, a week after, so.

0:48 Lee Oh yeah, yeah, the day this episode goes up, so if you listen to this on the day, it is my birthday.

0:55 Lee I'm not going to tell you how old I am, because it is old as fuck.

0:59 Chris It's depressing.

0:59 Adam Certainly getting there, aren't we? Yeah. But but kindly raise your flagons to both both these gentlemen of horror.

1:47 Lee Oh, thank you.

1:48 Adam On their on their respecting on their respective anniversaries.

1:54 Lee Um, right, so let's kick off. Uh, Chris, let's start with you as it's traditional.

2:00 Chris Okay, so I went for The Gorge, which was a 2025, it's on Apple TV Plus.

2:08 Chris Um, it's a I think you would say really a horror romance, which I thought was a bit unusual.

2:17 Chris But it's um, it was following on from something else we'd watched, The Menu, with Anya Taylor-Joy.

2:27 Chris And I thought, yeah, let's give it a go, because rarely can I think of any films where she's been in that are not good.

2:36 Chris Feel free, you got 10 seconds.

2:36 Lee Either of you, go for it.

2:37 Chris No. Everything's not. Time out.

2:39 Adam And I, and I suspect even in a shit film, she'll be grand. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.

3:24 Chris And I was trying to work out, is it that she makes the films good? And I think there definitely is a strong element of that.

3:36 Chris Perhaps she also chooses sensible films to be in.

3:36 Lee Yes.

3:37 Chris Could be some of that. But, yeah, so, um, directed by Scott Derrickson.

3:41 Chris Who I'm led to believe has done some other things, however, I don't know what they are.

3:47 Adam Off the top of my head, no, but I do know the name and I cannot for the life of me remember.

3:53 Chris Um, and also stars Miles Teller and Sigourney Weaver briefly, fairly briefly, yeah, towards the end.

3:59 Chris Um, and the music score is by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross.

4:04 Lee Oh.

4:05 Chris Um, it was released on February the 14th, 2025, Valentine's Day, which definitely made it a romance.

4:13 Chris Um, and I'd say it it doesn't have anything too groundbreaking, there's nothing too surprising.

4:20 Chris But overall, it's just a very enjoyable.

4:24 Chris Um, you know, thriller, drama, romance.

4:30 Chris With some great horror scenes thrown in.

4:33 Chris And, yeah, it's a, it's definitely a decent watch.

4:37 Adam Is there anything you can tell us?

4:39 Adam So what is The Gorge?

4:41 Chris Yeah, so, not about too revealing.

4:44 Chris Um, well, you pretty much learn it, you know, early on. So it's, um, essentially the army assigns someone as a watcher, an operative. They have to be highly skilled, um, sharp shooters, essentially.

5:00 Chris And it's their job to guard this part of a gorge.

5:06 Chris And they're in the, the person that we follow, Levi, he is over one side of the gorge.

5:15 Chris And Drasa, it played by Anya Taylor-Joy is over the other side.

5:22 Chris And so they're far enough away that in order to communicate at the beginning, they have to watch each other through, uh, you know, high-powered binoculars.

5:29 Chris And so they hold up signs to communicate with each other.

5:32 Chris And so they build the relationship that way, which is quite cute and, um, you know, a bit unusual, how do you form a relationship with each other there?

5:44 Chris And especially when you're sort of against each other, you're meant to be, um, but also both protecting the, or guarding The Gorge.

5:51 Chris And then, yeah, um, it it it definitely gets deeper, um, but probably in a way that you would expect it to unfold, you know, there is there is an amount of conspiracy, um, which.

6:06 Lee Is there is, is there at any point a conversation that goes, hey, what's your name? What? What's your name?

6:16 Adam Tony.

6:17 Chris Fuck you, Tony.

6:19 Adam Imagine if imagine if her name's Marco and his name's Polo.

6:22 Adam They're just going to be like, oh, we're playing a game.

6:24 Lee What are we doing here?

6:26 Chris Yeah. Uh, well, it's a bit too far for that, but it's, uh, it's not so far that they can't show off with their, you know, sharp shooting skills.

6:35 Chris Um, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's pretty good.

6:38 Chris I definitely enjoyed that.

6:41 Chris I would recommend it.

6:42 Lee Excellent.

6:43 Lee Cool.

6:43 Lee Uh, Adam, over to you.

6:46 Adam Um, well, I'm going to.

6:48 Adam First off, I'm going to go with, um, I finally, I finally watched 28 Years Later.

6:53 Adam And, um, I don't know, um, I don't know if because obviously I know you're an Alex Garland fan, Chris, and obviously it's him writing again, Danny Boyle directing.

6:54 Chris Yeah.

7:07 Adam And, um, yeah, I really, I really enjoyed it.

7:11 Adam I still, I'm going to sort of not not reserved judgment.

7:15 Adam I did enjoy the film, and, uh, particularly I want to, I I've got Bone Temple.

7:20 Adam I just didn't get a chance to watch it before today.

7:23 Adam Otherwise I would have probably gone on a double sort of thing.

7:25 Chris I mean, I'm assuming you do need to watch 28 Years Later first.

7:28 Adam Yes, yeah.

7:30 Adam Apparently Bone Temple basically is a continuation on from there.

7:34 Adam And, um, so.

7:35 Chris Almost like a part two essentially.

7:37 Chris I mean, because they're all part one, two, three, already.

7:39 Adam Yeah.

7:40 Adam In a way.

7:40 Adam Well, it's sort of so, but the thing I've found, I think the thing I found with it is that it's just so fascinating that they've managed to evoke a parallel reality.

7:51 Adam Because obviously what they're taking is, is that the outbreak took place in 2000.

7:56 Chris Yes.

7:57 Chris Yeah.

7:58 Adam As per when 28 Days Later came out.

8:00 Adam They're ignoring 28 Weeks Later, which frankly, is the best way.

8:05 Adam Both in and out of universe.

8:06 Adam Um, and, um, so the basically England got cut off.

8:07 Chris Yeah.

8:12 Chris Mm.

8:13 Adam And there's struggling survivors who've sort of managed to find a way to live, um, mostly by sort of isolating yourself on islands and peninsulas and stuff like that, that so they can sort of build little communities and stuff like that.

8:25 Adam And it centers around a boy whose mom is desperately ill, and his dad, I'm going to put it out there, a bit of a prick.

8:32 Adam Um, and, um, but he's sort of like showing him the ropes of how to be, you know, how to survive in the world and everything else like that.

8:42 Adam And this lad hears that there's a doctor on the mainland.

8:48 Adam Uh, played by, um, Ray Fiennes.

8:51 Adam And who is fucking spectacular in it.

8:53 Adam And he he has apparently he's much more in Bone Temple, so I'm really looking forward to that.

8:58 Adam See more of him in this character of Dr. Keller.

9:01 Chris Another one that doesn't seem to play in any films that are bad.

9:05 Adam Yeah, another one, yeah, exactly.

9:07 Adam And, um, so, um, but.

9:10 Chris And he started alongside Anya Taylor-Joy recently.

9:13 Adam Yes.

9:13 Adam And but it's I I just love they've he's just done they've done such a good job of just that thing like I say, it's a parallel reality.

9:20 Adam So it is 2026, but it's 2026 if everything went tits up in 2000.

9:26 Lee Yeah.

9:26 Adam And.

9:27 Chris And we didn't learn about certain certain aspects.

9:30 Adam Well, well, this this is my favorite bit.

9:32 Adam Because it's it's grim, Claire had to back off of it because she was like, I don't want to watch a little boy helping his sick mom and paying the price for it.

9:43 Adam Yeah, because she was just too near.

9:45 Adam So she was just like, no, she was like, I'm sticking me headphones on, let me know when big Will's turn up.

9:52 Chris And they do.

9:53 Adam There's a couple of big Willies, yeah.

9:54 Adam I mean, I was expecting a roller carpet the way people were going on about it.

9:58 Adam But, you know, there's there's some impressive members.

10:00 Adam Um, but, um, but yeah, there's one bit and it's not really a spoiler, but at one point they meet up with this, um, soldier.

10:08 Adam Who's his battalion accidentally sort of who were patrolling the waters around England because England's in quarantine, they accidentally get stuck on the mainland.

10:18 Adam They meet up with this guy and he's showing him his mobile phone.

10:22 Adam Because obviously this little boy's never seen a mobile phone, doesn't know what it is.

10:26 Adam But on it is a picture of this guy's girlfriend and obviously she is as is quite common today, fillers, lots of, had lots of work done and stuff like that.

10:37 Adam And this boy's like, what's wrong with her?

10:40 Lee Yeah.

10:40 Adam I'm like, what do you mean what's wrong with her?

10:43 Adam She's beautiful.

10:43 Adam Oh, I know, there's a girl in my village, she's got that, when she eats fish, she goes all.

10:48 Adam And it's.

10:49 Adam And it's.

10:50 Adam And it's one little bit that's really sort of like hilarious, but yeah, again, it's just this sort of lovely thing of, yeah, of course he's never seen a mobile phone.

10:58 Adam He's been in quarantine since.

11:00 Adam And that cut off, yeah.

11:03 Adam And, um, yeah, and so I want to see the next film to see, mostly to see how.

11:07 Adam The rather bizarre ending sort of ties into it.

11:10 Adam But, uh, no more, no more on that.

11:11 Adam I will probably report back on the next on the next we have been watching.

11:16 Lee Excellent.

11:17 Adam But, uh, but so far, yes, and I I, you know.

11:20 Adam As a continuation in that world, I'm enjoying, yeah.

11:24 Chris I would definitely like that ending explained.

11:26 Chris So, yeah, perhaps I should watch it before you tell us.

11:29 Adam Yes, yeah, yeah.

11:31 Adam Have a watch.

11:34 Lee Right, so my first choice was a recommendation from my brother, uh, following a discussion we were having on a film I'll be talking about later.

11:43 Lee Uh, and we were talking about Catherine Newton, um, and how she everything she again another one, everything she's in is brilliant.

11:52 Lee Um, and my brother said, oh yes, my favorite film of hers is Abigail.

11:57 Lee Um, I had not seen Abigail.

12:00 Lee I'd seen the poster and I think I'd passed on it.

12:04 Lee So I watched it with no knowledge.

12:07 Lee And for anyone who is in the same boat, I absolutely recommend don't watch a trailer, don't try and find out as little as possible, but this film is 100% a recommend from me.

12:17 Lee I think the reason I side stepped it is the cover is a little girl in a ballerina's outfit.

12:25 Lee Okay.

12:26 Lee Um.

12:27 Adam Ah.

12:27 Adam Okay.

12:28 Lee She is spewed with blood.

12:29 Lee But.

12:30 Chris That's not quite enough to convince you before.

12:34 Adam So I've obviously got confused here, this isn't the doll, the possessed doll film.

12:39 Lee No.

12:39 Lee No.

12:39 Chris Annabelle.

12:40 Chris Yeah, yeah.

12:41 Adam Okay, sorry, yeah, so I crack on, sorry.

12:44 Lee Um.

12:45 Lee Yeah, and it it was amazing.

12:48 Lee I said, I Adam, I think you'll definitely love it, Chris, I think you would love it, but the problem is.

12:54 Lee One of the main characters, basically to give you the very quick setup that won't spoil anything, uh, a gang has been told by a crime boss to kidnap a little girl.

13:02 Lee And they don't know anything more than they've got to hold her for 24 hours until the ransom comes in.

13:05 Lee So they kidnap her, she's a 12-year-old ballerina who looks almost unnervingly like your own daughter.

13:12 Chris Yeah.

13:13 Lee So, is it ballet?

13:13 Chris Yeah.

13:13 Lee Very much so.

13:14 Lee And very similar age, she looks exactly like, um, but yeah, and things go awry very, very badly.

13:22 Chris Well, I often say people should be willing to face, you know, real horror.

13:27 Lee So I think you should watch it, but I.

13:31 Chris Is it an education?

13:33 Lee Yes, I think it will stop you from sleeping, but you'll be worried about what might happen to the little girl.

13:37 Lee But I won't give any more away about.

13:41 Chris Is it a bit like Black Black Swan was a little bit hit hit home like that slightly?

13:47 Lee Yeah, I mean, this was, it I I absolutely loved it.

13:52 Lee It was such a fun film.

13:53 Lee Um, I watched a film, I did discuss it a while back, which I believe was French that was I'm pretty sure this is.

14:01 Lee Not quite a sort of a British remake of, or American remake of.

14:05 Lee Um, but yeah, it's I'd have to go back and revisit the original one to see how many.

14:11 Lee But it it looked very similar and it had a very similar storyline.

14:16 Lee Um, but yeah, it was absolutely brilliant.

14:18 Lee I say and I it was one of those when it started, I was like, right.

14:23 Lee A lot of the how good this film is going to be is going to rest on the shoulders of a 12-year-old actress.

14:30 Lee Yeah, who I've never seen before.

14:30 Chris Yeah.

14:32 Lee This girl is out of this world.

14:35 Lee She is her performance is absolutely.

14:39 Lee I mean it's a stellar cast.

14:41 Lee It's really it's got a guy from Downton Abbey.

14:44 Lee Let's have a look, um, so I've not seen Downton Abbey.

14:46 Lee Um, but it's got Jane Stevens from Downton Abbey in it, uh, Alicia Weir is the young actress's name.

14:53 Lee Let's say Catherine Newton's in it.

14:55 Lee Um.

14:56 Lee Yeah, it's just, uh, William Cathlet who I haven't seen before, but brilliant as well.

15:01 Lee Um, yeah, it it's just it it was brilliant.

15:04 Lee It was so much fun.

15:06 Lee Um, it's fairly short as I remember.

15:09 Lee But it really raced through, it was one of those films that one it it's an hour and 50 minutes.

15:13 Lee It didn't feel that long.

15:15 Lee It felt like it was an hour and a half tops.

15:17 Lee It really was.

15:19 Lee But yeah, brilliant, really good fun.

15:22 Lee Yeah, definitely.

15:24 Lee I do recommend you both watch it.

15:27 Lee I say and Chris, if you might make you feel.

15:28 Chris Yeah.

15:28 Lee Like.

15:29 Chris Yeah.

15:30 Chris Yeah.

15:30 Lee Stick with it, it doesn't go where you think it's looking like it's going to go.

15:34 Lee All right.

15:34 Lee Um.

15:36 Lee Yeah, fantastic.

15:37 Lee But avoid the trailer at all cost.

15:40 Lee Right.

15:41 Chris Fair enough.

15:42 Lee Chris, back to you.

15:43 Chris Okay, my second one was the wonderfully titled Death of a Unicorn.

15:48 Chris Which is 2025, Dark Horror Fantasy from A24.

15:48 Lee Ooh.

15:49 Lee Oh.

15:51 Chris Directed by Alex Sharpman in his family directorial debut, um, and starring Paul Rudd, Jenna Ortega as father and daughter.

15:57 Chris Um.

15:58 Chris Alongside them also Will Poulter, T Leoni, Richard D. Grant, who I now know thanks to Adam from Withnail and I.

16:03 Lee Oh.

16:04 Adam Yeah.

16:05 Chris I'm sure, I'm sure I've seen him in lots of other things.

16:07 Chris I just.

16:08 Adam He's he's literally been in a lot.

16:10 Adam He's an Imperial officer in the ninth Star Wars.

16:12 Chris Okay.

16:13 Adam Which just felt like the the whatever the last one, yeah, The Rise of Skywalker.

16:16 Chris Yeah, yeah.

16:16 Chris Rise of.

16:17 Chris Yeah.

16:19 Chris Is that, yeah, Rise of Skywalker, yeah.

16:21 Chris Okay.

16:24 Chris I yeah, totally do not remember him in that at all.

16:27 Chris I have only seen it maybe twice, so, yeah.

16:30 Adam Well, listen, the thing is, he's he's he's quite a he's quite a posh, nasty Englishman, so it's not surprising he's an Imperial officer.

16:37 Chris Yeah.

16:38 Chris It's.

16:38 Chris Oh, yeah.

16:39 Chris But, yeah, I mean, it's it's great in this.

16:40 Chris Um, Anthony Carrigan, Jessica Heinz, Suita Money, and Steve Park.

16:45 Lee Jessica Heinz.

16:47 Lee Yeah, great to see her in, uh, making it over to Hollywood.

16:53 Chris Yeah.

16:54 Chris So, um, yeah, it's, it like for.

16:58 Chris Overall, it made me it reminded me the most of Krampus.

17:04 Chris Possibly because of the feeling of something that you've just always associated with magical happiness.

17:10 Chris Rainbows, and now it's definitely not that, it's like messy, realistic-looking monster-ish, you know.

17:17 Chris So, and that that's pretty obvious from the the start, really, that that's what the unicorns are, um, so that's not really a too much of a shock.

17:25 Chris So I don't know how much of this is taken from real.

17:30 Chris Mythology or real research.

17:34 Chris I it gives the impression that it is in the film, so perhaps it does.

17:37 Chris I've not looked into that, but.

17:40 Chris Um.

17:41 Chris But yeah, I, you know, I mean it covers really the the sort of.

17:48 Chris Uh, like wealth and narcissism, I suppose, and just sort of taking what you want from nature.

17:53 Chris And morality, you know, soft and in there. Um, and yeah, and it like.

18:00 Chris It's it's pretty funny, um, it's a bit gruesome at points.

18:05 Chris It's just, it's it's good fun.

18:08 Chris Um.

18:09 Chris Yeah, yeah, I definitely enjoyed it.

18:12 Adam You've plenty reminded me of it, because I remember when it came out, I was like, oh, I'll have to watch that.

18:17 Adam And then when you just said it then, I was like, oh, bloody hell, yeah.

18:20 Adam That just I just totally failed to actually watch it.

18:23 Lee Yeah, I I saw it and I enjoyed it as well.

18:26 Chris Okay.

18:26 Lee Yeah.

18:27 Lee Yeah, as you say, Chris, Krampus is probably the thing it's closest to because it's.

18:32 Lee And again, it's that that mix of comedy and horror coming from somewhere that you don't expect horror to come from.

18:40 Lee And it just it comes together so well.

18:40 Chris Yeah.

18:42 Lee I mean, Paul Rudd.

18:44 Chris Yeah.

18:44 Lee It's.

18:44 Lee And Jenny Ortega.

18:46 Chris Yeah.

18:46 Lee Yeah.

18:47 Lee It's.

18:47 Chris They all work well together. There's there's definitely some very funny moments.

18:52 Lee Yeah.

18:54 Lee Yeah, yeah, great film.

18:56 Lee Good call.

18:57 Lee Yeah.

18:58 Lee Um.

18:59 Lee Adam.

19:01 Adam Uh, next is one that I've recommended to you guys before, but I wanted to recommend to the listeners as well.

19:06 Adam Uh, which is, uh, strangely enough, all of my films, all the stuff I've watched is from 2025.

19:10 Adam So this is like a film that has actually stuff produced this century.

19:16 Adam Um, but this is the film Obex, O B E X.

19:21 Adam Uh, written and directed and starring Albert Bernie.

19:26 Adam And, uh, the sort of buzz that was going around about it or like the sort of buzz phrase that was going around about it was Eraser Head meets Legend of Zelda.

19:36 Adam That is genuinely spot on.

19:38 Adam Um, because it's black and white, it's got some lovely sort of weird sort of like drony bits and sort of very odd sort of moments to it.

19:51 Adam But essentially it's the story of a guy, he's a agoraphobic.

19:56 Adam Um, it's 90 it sort of early 80s, I think it's like 19, not sure actually, I think, well it's early 80s.

20:05 Adam And he's a agoraphobic, he's a shut-in.

20:08 Adam And he, um, makes his money doing little computer pictures.

20:13 Adam You know, the ones where you make pictures of people using Asterix and ellipses and everything on a keyboard and just that's.

20:21 Chris ASCII art.

20:23 Adam That's it, that's it.

20:24 Adam Yeah.

20:25 Adam And, um, yeah, he that's what he does, he does key up pictures of people for five dollars a pop.

20:34 Adam And that's how he earns his money.

20:35 Adam And, um, it's just him and his dog Sandy.

20:38 Adam And he sees in the back of a magazine a adventure game where you get put into the adventure.

20:46 Adam And he has to send them a video of himself and his name and his pet's name and stuff like that.

20:53 Adam And they say, oh, it would make you into the game.

20:55 Adam Gets the disc through, puts it in, it's a bit pony.

20:59 Adam So he chucks the disc to one side, just forgets about it.

21:02 Adam And then the demon at the heart of the game comes out into reality, kidnaps his dog.

21:07 Adam And then he has to go into the game to save his dog, and it is so fantastically done.

21:14 Adam There's a bit where someone shows him a map and it unfurls, you know, from the center to scrolls.

21:22 Adam The scroll sort of going out from the center with that proper noise that you always have.

21:29 Adam Yeah, where it's the same sound effect on a game and stuff like that.

21:33 Adam And it's him sort of like having to plot his way through and there's puzzles and bits he has to beat and he meets friends along the way, including a guy with a TV for a head.

21:42 Adam And it is wonderfully strange and also unlike the one thing that I think is because you put a Razor Head in there and people are like, oh, I mean I find Razor Head funny in places.

21:53 Adam Um, and, um.

21:54 Adam But it's, you know, I don't think it's the depress fest that people claim it is.

22:01 Adam But, um, I think that Obex definitely has a sort of lovely heart to it.

22:07 Adam And it's just nice, you know, in its own sort of fucked up way.

22:12 Adam But yeah, definitely worth a watch and it has, it sort of boarders into there's horrific moments the way a game sort of would be anyway.

22:18 Adam Because it sort of that sort of Zelda medieval monsters.

22:20 Adam That's kind of thing.

22:21 Adam So.

22:21 Adam Yeah.

22:22 Adam Uh, but yeah, so that is a definite recommend Obex.

22:24 Lee Yeah, I, so after you recommended it, I watched the trailer, yeah, and thought it looked fantastic.

22:29 Adam Yeah, definitely.

22:30 Lee Really weird and interesting and original and, yeah, I really want to see it, so.

22:36 Adam Yeah, definitely worth a watch.

22:39 Lee Excellent.

22:40 Lee Right, my next my next.

22:43 Lee Recommendation and Shame and already.

22:45 Lee My next watch, uh, I watch Ready or Not 2.

22:51 Lee So Ready or Not, here I come.

22:53 Lee Um, which, I say, I was discussing with my brother, and yeah, we're saying how good Tomorrow Weaving and Catherine Newton are.

23:03 Lee Um, as it again, every time they pop up in something, it's always brilliant.

23:07 Lee Uh, so to see them both together was, it was really good.

23:10 Lee Uh, yeah.

23:11 Lee And I mean.

23:13 Lee The cast of this, so it's the both of them, uh, David Cronenberg is in it, Sarah Michelle Gellar is in it, Elijah Wood is in it.

23:22 Lee It it's, uh, yeah, it was just an absolute riot.

23:27 Lee If you liked the first one.

23:29 Lee It I thought the what I thought was it's one of those, the first one was great, but it's a very contained story, I don't know how they are going to.

23:37 Lee Basically effectively trigger the same set of events again, but with two of them instead of one.

23:43 Lee Um, but they they do a really good job of it.

23:46 Lee And, yeah, it's every bit as brutal and nasty and funny as the first one is.

23:54 Lee Um, yeah, and just yeah, just a really good watch.

23:56 Lee I had a great time watching it.

23:58 Lee It's definitely one as well that I will go back and rewatch again, um, a bit like the first one, might even I reckon they'd make a great double bill of the two of them.

24:06 Lee Um, so yeah.

24:08 Adam Would you reckon, would you recommend having seen the first one before you see the second one?

24:14 Lee I would, but you you wouldn't have to.

24:17 Adam Right.

24:18 Lee It kind of works on it, as long as you know that the first one is, she, she goes to a basically it's supposed to be a wedding night.

24:28 Lee Um, the family have this tradition where you have to play a game, and the game basically turns into, uh, the deadliest game, which is the entire family trying to murder her.

24:38 Lee Um, and she makes it to the end.

24:43 Lee Spoiler alert for those of you who hadn't already guessed that definitely how it was going to play out in the first one, but that is.

24:49 Lee Um.

24:50 Lee Yeah, and they managed to get her back and redo the entire thing, uh, with a sister who she's estranged from and they have a a difficult fractured relationship.

25:00 Lee So putting the two of them side by side trying to fight for their lives.

25:03 Lee Again, it's a rampaging horde of people with an entire arsenal of weapons and technology.

25:11 Lee Yeah.

25:12 Lee Um, in a in a country house.

25:14 Lee But yeah, it's it's just an absolute blast.

25:15 Lee Really, really good.

25:17 Chris Is it a bit of an Evil Dead?

25:20 Lee Not quite, no.

25:22 Chris It sort of has a bit of that kind of look from the cover.

25:25 Lee Like it could be.

25:26 Lee Yeah, again, so the cover yeah, definitely got that look, but no, it's it's more, um.

25:32 Lee It's it's more an action horror really.

25:37 Lee Um, but yeah, just really, really.

25:39 Lee And Elijah Wood is fantastic in it.

25:40 Lee He always is as well.

25:41 Lee Um.

25:42 Lee But yeah, really good.

25:43 Lee So if anyone was on the fence about it, I would say, honestly.

25:46 Lee I think it's every bit as good as the first one.

25:49 Lee So.

25:50 Adam Get off that fence.

25:53 Lee Yeah, absolutely, the law of diminishing returns is not in effect here.

25:57 Lee So go and check it out.

25:59 Chris I suppose it would have been quite different if she had died in the first one.

26:02 Lee Well, yeah.

26:03 Lee There wouldn't have been a.

26:03 Lee So the fact that there is a second one and she's on the cover.

26:06 Lee I don't think it's.

26:06 Chris So it gives away something, doesn't it?

26:08 Lee Yeah.

26:09 Lee Yeah.

26:11 Lee Uh, yeah, but yeah, that was great.

26:13 Lee Um, Chris, back to you.

26:15 Chris Okay, so I went for one that we've mentioned quite a lot, definitely quite a few years ago now.

26:22 Chris But also I think we mentioned it recently, haven't got, you know, right to the end, I was like, oh, was I not meant to watch this?

26:29 Chris So, we're about to find out if I'm, uh, if I've been bad.

26:34 Chris So, it's The Lords of Salem by Rob Zombie.

26:37 Lee Oh.

26:37 Lee Oh.

26:37 Lee Yes.

26:38 Chris So, did we ever plan to cover that?

26:41 Lee We need to cover it.

26:43 Chris We we probably still can cover it.

26:44 Chris I'm don't know that I'm going to go into as much detail as needed, really.

26:48 Chris Um, especially because I kind of thought for the first third to a half, it's like, this is pretty straightforward, it's decent.

26:57 Chris And then I kind of felt like, actually, there does seem to be a lot more to it.

26:57 Lee Yeah.

27:01 Chris Um, than I had the impression that it would have by the end, and then I was like, I don't even know if I totally followed it.

27:08 Chris In that, um, or or at least what what its ultimate aim was.

27:12 Chris Because I suppose often, um, when covering witches in certain, in in almost realistic ways.

27:20 Chris They're often kind of presented as they were the victims.

27:23 Adam Mm.

27:23 Chris In a sense.

27:24 Chris Whereas this is definitely not that, it's like there's there's lots of bad in everyone kind of thing.

27:30 Chris Um, and, and I suppose the the like the idea of, um, like fate, you know, and and again, the fact that it's you're following a woman.

27:38 Chris Which I I found out was, um, that's Rob Zombie's wife, wasn't it?

27:42 Lee Yeah.

27:43 Lee Yeah.

27:43 Adam Yeah.

27:44 Chris And I thought she was good.

27:45 Chris Yeah.

27:45 Chris Yeah, was she in any of his others that we'd watched?

27:48 Adam She's.

27:48 Adam She's in literally all.

27:49 Chris I totally, like, I mean, it's been, it's been a few years, I've only seen them once.

27:53 Chris And I was like.

27:54 Adam I think she's actually only in one non-Rob Zombie movie.

27:58 Adam Every other.

27:59 Chris Yeah.

28:00 Chris Well, I mean, I I think she's all right, really.

28:02 Chris Like.

28:03 Chris Yeah, um, and it's funny because again, I I was totally expecting, um, you know, similar to the grind house sort of style that he had in his others.

28:10 Chris And it really is, yeah, very, um, much more subdued, and interesting the the the artistic effect he's gone for where, um, when it's sort of her normal experience.

28:20 Chris The colors are muted.

28:22 Chris And then and then it gets pretty crazy at points, you know, almost like psychedelic.

28:27 Adam Yeah.

28:27 Adam I feel it's his sort of Italian.

28:30 Chris Yes, yeah, definitely.

28:30 Adam He's done sort of, you know, gritty sort of serial killer movies, he's done blatant horror, he's obviously remade Halloween.

28:39 Adam But I think that this is that as I recall, because funnily enough, um, uh, how should we refer to Dean, friend of the podcast or friend of the podcast?

28:49 Adam Um, he, um, because I remember talking to him a little while back and he said that he'd rewatched it and he wasn't sure if it had held up as much as he.

28:55 Adam So in my head I was like, I do want to watch it again.

28:59 Adam Just to see, you know, to see if it's still got it.

29:01 Adam But I mean I remember really enjoying it.

29:02 Adam And I think it was quite his, yeah, I think it was like.

29:07 Adam In a way his sort of like Susperia, where he.

29:13 Chris Yeah, yeah.

29:14 Adam Yeah.

29:14 Adam Yeah.

29:14 Adam It's it's witches, but they are genuinely.

29:17 Adam They genuinely have powers and are monstrous.

29:19 Adam And like you say, it has fucking psychedelic.

29:21 Adam Nutso bits as well.

29:23 Chris So.

29:24 Chris Yeah.

29:24 Chris And, and, uh, it took it took the the Willy scenes.

29:28 Chris A little bit further than some others have have done.

29:32 Adam Yeah.

29:32 Chris And and in fact some of the some of the language as well.

29:36 Chris There was a pretty good quote which I can't quite say because there might be the 12-year-old before mentioned.

29:43 Chris Pallerina outside the door.

29:44 Chris But, uh, yeah.

29:45 Chris So, I yeah, no, it turned out, like by the end, I was just thinking there's this actually really good, there's a lot in it that I hadn't expected, um, yeah, about halfway through.

29:54 Chris So, I can definitely see why you've said so much about it, Lee.

29:57 Lee Yeah, it totally, totally blew me away.

29:59 Lee I was so gutted, so I was going to be there on opening weekend for it.

30:04 Lee Uh, and a friend of ours, who I won't mention, works for a, um, heavy metal, like a rock music magazine.

30:12 Lee He got to go to the preview in London.

30:15 Lee Oh, right.

30:15 Lee Um, and came away, and I saw I saw him, um.

30:21 Lee Like the week before it came out, and he said, oh, yeah, I got to go to like a preview screening and it's fucking amazing.

30:28 Lee And I.

30:28 Lee Still didn't go and watch it and then it came out on DVD.

30:32 Lee And I think Adam you bought it and brought it around and we watched it together and went, oh my god, that was amazing.

30:36 Lee It was so.

30:37 Adam I I still think it's certainly of of Rob Zombie's films, it was definitely my favorite.

30:44 Lee Yeah.

30:45 Adam You know, I think it really.

30:47 Adam And and ending with All Tomorrow's Parties.

30:48 Adam By the Underground and me was just.

30:51 Lee Yeah.

30:51 Lee Yeah.

30:52 Adam That's astounding.

30:53 Adam That is anyway.

30:55 Lee Again, it's that it's that.

30:57 Lee 70s slowburn, but yeah, as you say.

31:00 Lee Like the way he put some of those set pieces and stuff together, as you say, and the very brightly colored, very glumb and that very ending.

31:06 Lee It's just gorgeous, it's.

31:09 Adam And you've got like Patricia Quinn in there and.

31:12 Lee Yeah.

31:13 Adam Yeah, it's like, yeah, some proper.

31:16 Adam Proper names in there.

31:18 Lee You know.

31:18 Lee Uh, yeah, cuz you're right though.

31:21 Lee Like Cherry Moon generally, he always gets her to play the sort of over the top, over exaggerated, over theatrical.

31:29 Lee Um, and in this, she played a much more real character, and I was the same, I was like, oh, she can she can really.

31:34 Lee I thought she just played this kind of hyper realistic version of herself and she just but but in this she was really, really good.

31:40 Chris Yeah, yeah, it felt very real.

31:43 Chris And, yeah, not not overacted.

31:44 Chris At all.

31:45 Chris Like.

31:45 Lee She's just.

31:46 Chris Yeah, someone who's kind of lost and.

31:48 Lee As her radio persona being so different to her to her character you see from her very, very real where it's nothing like that.

31:55 Lee Um, yeah.

31:56 Lee And I thought it was just really well written, really well put together.

31:59 Lee A a gorgeous sound to it as well.

32:01 Lee Yeah.

32:02 Chris Yeah.

32:02 Adam Yeah, five to the soundtrack thing, yeah.

32:05 Chris Yeah, so it'd be good if we did cover it properly.

32:08 Lee Yes, I definitely would be up for that.

32:10 Lee Um, Adam, what's your last choice?

32:13 Adam Uh, just very quick, Reflections on a Dead Diamond, this is the latest film from the directing team of Helleine Catette and Bruno Forzani.

32:20 Adam Um, and basically they did a lot of, they've done a lot of, best way of putting it, homage movies, um, they did a few, uh, giallo.

32:32 Adam Like they did a film called Amer, and The Strange Color of Your Body's Tears, which is one of the most perfect.

32:37 Adam Made up like Italian, you know, like reflections on a lizard's skin and stuff like that, or, um, and basically it's, um, I don't know, the best way of putting it.

32:45 Adam It is, uh, Sean Connery is on a, he's not Sean Connery, obviously, it's just a, it's a, it's French, so it's a French guy.

32:54 Adam Uh, but he is basically, it's as if Sean Connery's retired to the Riviera.

33:01 Adam And slowly dying on a beach, whilst getting his past confused with either.

33:06 Adam Is he actually James Bond superspy or is he a bloke who played James Bond superspy?

33:09 Adam Yeah.

33:10 Adam And it's.

33:12 Adam Wonderfully surreal.

33:14 Chris Is that Bubba Ho-Tep that reminded me of?

33:16 Adam Yeah, it's.

33:16 Adam Well, it's wonderfully surreal and it's it's one of those ones where because there's quite often when we're watching stuff.

33:20 Adam Claire just goes, am I meant to know what's happening yet?

33:25 Adam And I'm like, no.

33:26 Adam And she went fine, I'm not being thick, so.

33:30 Adam And.

33:31 Adam Yeah.

33:32 Adam And.

33:32 Adam It sort of, but it's it's one of those ones where I mean it's absolutely style over substance, but it is style.

33:44 Adam And, um, and it has some fucking brutal violence in it.

33:50 Adam That you wouldn't see in like a Euro spy or a Bond film or something like that.

33:56 Adam But it's that sort of thing of the implication, you know, people with gadgets and sort of like a, um, like there's a woman who's got blades in her heels and in her hair and stuff like that.

34:08 Adam But she genuinely disembowels someone over a foseball table and stuff like that.

34:14 Adam And it's just, it's.

34:15 Adam Yeah.

34:16 Adam I just it was just great fun.

34:17 Adam And it was one of those things where I just kept seeing clips of it on Instagram and I was just like, what the fuck is that?

34:21 Adam Yeah.

34:22 Adam It's so amazing.

34:24 Adam And, um, fortunately it's on Shudder.

34:26 Adam So I was like, oh, I'm definitely check it out.

34:28 Adam And as I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, it's these guys who I have watched their other stuff before and in general, you know, it's really good, but this this was one that really struck with me.

34:40 Adam But I think I've just been watching lots of stuff like Fantas and Diabolique and stuff like that lately anyway, so it's in that kind of vein.

34:46 Adam But yeah, real really good and, you know, don't necessarily expect to come away with much.

34:52 Adam But fuck me, will you enjoy the ride because it is just stunning.

34:57 Lee Yeah.

34:58 Chris Yeah, excellent.

35:00 Lee Sounds good.

35:00 Lee Sounds good.

35:02 Lee Um, so I caught up, I know we all discussed it quite a lot on on the group, I can't remember we discussed it on the episode or not.

35:11 Lee Uh, so I got around to watching 2026's The Bride.

35:14 Lee Oh.

35:14 Lee Oh.

35:14 Adam Oh.

35:15 Lee Uh, directed by Maggie Gyllenhaal.

35:17 Lee Uh, starring.

35:17 Chris All right.

35:18 Lee Uh, Jesse Buckley, Christian Bale, and Jake Gyllenhaal.

35:22 Lee Yeah.

35:23 Adam Yeah.

35:23 Lee Um, I say I watched it.

35:25 Lee I watched about 20 minutes and I stormed out of the room in anger.

35:30 Lee At what a pretentious load of absolute piss it was.

35:37 Lee It made me so angry, it was so nonsense.

35:43 Lee Which is because the trailer made it look like it was going to be great.

35:48 Lee Um, and Jesse Buckley and Christian Bale gave it everything.

35:54 Lee But it is an absolute piece of shit, it makes no it posits a world.

35:59 Lee In which, unless I've got mistaken, Frankenstein's monster is a real thing, but Mary Shelley also wrote a fictional story of exactly the same thing.

36:06 Lee And both things exist in the same world.

36:09 Lee Um, it's got lots of weird black and white cutaways, just horrible, horrible student film shit.

36:15 Lee And it just upset me so gravely.

36:19 Adam Oh, to be honest, you really tempted me there.

36:21 Chris I know.

36:22 Lee Yeah.

36:22 Adam You said pretentious.

36:23 Adam I was like, okay, tell me more.

36:25 Lee Tell me more.

36:27 Lee Oh, me.

36:28 Lee Oh, it was, oh, it just, yeah.

36:32 Lee I was very upset about it.

36:34 Lee Um, but yeah, I mean, because all they done it sort of like it's sort of Bonnie and Clyde, isn't it?

36:37 Lee It's like 1930s.

36:39 Lee And there.

36:41 Lee Yeah.

36:42 Lee Uh, basically on the run and something, isn't it?

36:46 Lee Yeah, they they basically they they're just like, well.

36:47 Lee We're not going to fit into society, so fuck society and just go full Bonnie and Clyde.

36:52 Lee Yeah.

36:53 Lee Um.

36:54 Lee But yeah.

36:55 Lee In but none of it makes any sense.

36:56 Lee I mean, the way she comes back to life, I don't want to give that away.

36:59 Lee Like it's just.

37:01 Lee Absolutely shite, and I hated every moment of it.

37:04 Lee But, uh, so, yeah.

37:07 Adam Well, because there was there because there was also the, um, there was a sting.

37:08 Lee Yeah.

37:09 Adam Bride of Frankenstein movie, again, just called The Bride, which was.

37:14 Lee Yeah.

37:14 Lee Yeah, I think it's one of those weird mistakes.

37:16 Lee Where it's like, look.

37:18 Lee There is a perfect Bride of Frankenstein film, it's The Bride of Frankenstein, yeah.

37:24 Chris Yeah.

37:24 Lee Yeah.

37:24 Lee Maybe baby just no one's going to improve on it.

37:28 Lee Yeah, in a way.

37:30 Lee So, just yeah, I mean, I get that the bride isn't in it a lot.

37:32 Lee So people are trying to make more of a character of it, but it, yeah, it it it.

37:36 Lee It was.

37:37 Lee Um.

37:38 Lee Yes, so.

37:39 Lee Yeah, don't bother.

37:40 Lee Adam, you might well, actually.

37:42 Lee You both might enjoy it.

37:43 Lee Because.

37:44 Lee I, yeah, I definitely didn't.

37:46 Lee So, yeah, watch it and report back if you want.

37:47 Adam Well, well, I'm going to what what I'm going to do is I'm going to reserve judgment until it's available on like it's streaming on something and then I'm going to yeah, don't pay for it for that.

37:56 Adam Yeah, that was that was my risk is because I was like there was a part of me that was like, oh, you know, yeah, I I will venture towards a Blu-ray occasionally before we end up, you know, having to find each other for a scotch egg with fucking pub cues at some point.

38:04 Adam Well, while there's still somewhere with all in the world.

38:06 Adam I thought I might I'll occasionally invest.

38:09 Lee Yeah, so, yeah, but yeah, I'd watch it for free, because otherwise you'll be pissed off like I was.

38:12 Lee Um, fair enough.

38:13 Lee Right, so we'll be back in a Fortnight's time.

38:15 Lee Uh, we're covering a film that Adam and I have talked about an awful lot in front of Chris, but I don't think we've ever discussed as a possible episode.

38:21 Lee We're going to be watching Dead Snow.

38:23 Lee Um, the Nazi zombie movie, um.

38:27 Adam In snow.

38:28 Lee Yeah, in snow.

38:29 Adam Nazi zombies on ice.

38:31 Chris What more could you want?

38:34 Lee Yeah, so, uh, yes, so we'll be back in a Fortnight's time to cover Dead Snow.

38:37 Lee Go and watch the things we said were great.

38:40 Lee Don't watch the things we said were wank.

38:42 Lee And we'll see you in a Fortnight's time.

38:44 Lee Thanks very much for listening.

38:45 Lee Good night.

38:46 Chris Good night.

38:47 Adam Night night.