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Welcome To Horror Presents: “The Planet of We Have Been Watching”. It’s time for another “We Have Been Watching”, and in a real turn up for the books, everything we’ve watched is from this century! We discuss “Abigail” (2024), “The Gorge” (2025), “Reflections On A Dead Diamond” (2025), “Ready Or Not 2: Here I Come” (2026), “28 Years Later” (2025), “Death of a Unicorn” (2025), “Obex” (2025), “The Lords of Salem” (2012 - Chris bringing the average down slightly), and Lee walks out of “The Bride” (2026). No prep for this ep, but listeners beware, as here be (possible) spoilers and (definite) swearing.
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LeeGood evening, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeAnd we're here this evening with spoilers and swearing for another we have been watching.
LeeBefore we kick off, I'd like to say a big happy birthday to Chris, who just had his birthday last weekend.
ChrisThank you.
AdamAnd I'd like to say a big preemptive birthday to Lee, who will be after this episode, a week after, so.
LeeOh yeah, yeah, the day this episode goes up, so if you listen to this on the day, it is my birthday.
LeeI'm not going to tell you how old I am, because it is old as fuck.
ChrisIt's depressing.
AdamCertainly getting there, aren't we? Yeah. But but kindly raise your flagons to both both these gentlemen of horror.
LeeOh, thank you.
AdamOn their on their respecting on their respective anniversaries.
LeeUm, right, so let's kick off. Uh, Chris, let's start with you as it's traditional.
ChrisOkay, so I went for The Gorge, which was a 2025, it's on Apple TV Plus.
ChrisUm, it's a I think you would say really a horror romance, which I thought was a bit unusual.
ChrisBut it's um, it was following on from something else we'd watched, The Menu, with Anya Taylor-Joy.
ChrisAnd I thought, yeah, let's give it a go, because rarely can I think of any films where she's been in that are not good.
ChrisFeel free, you got 10 seconds.
LeeEither of you, go for it.
ChrisNo. Everything's not. Time out.
AdamAnd I, and I suspect even in a shit film, she'll be grand. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
ChrisAnd I was trying to work out, is it that she makes the films good? And I think there definitely is a strong element of that.
ChrisPerhaps she also chooses sensible films to be in.
LeeYes.
ChrisCould be some of that. But, yeah, so, um, directed by Scott Derrickson.
ChrisWho I'm led to believe has done some other things, however, I don't know what they are.
AdamOff the top of my head, no, but I do know the name and I cannot for the life of me remember.
ChrisUm, and also stars Miles Teller and Sigourney Weaver briefly, fairly briefly, yeah, towards the end.
ChrisUm, and the music score is by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross.
LeeOh.
ChrisUm, it was released on February the 14th, 2025, Valentine's Day, which definitely made it a romance.
ChrisUm, and I'd say it it doesn't have anything too groundbreaking, there's nothing too surprising.
ChrisBut overall, it's just a very enjoyable.
ChrisUm, you know, thriller, drama, romance.
ChrisWith some great horror scenes thrown in.
ChrisAnd, yeah, it's a, it's definitely a decent watch.
AdamIs there anything you can tell us?
AdamSo what is The Gorge?
ChrisYeah, so, not about too revealing.
ChrisUm, well, you pretty much learn it, you know, early on. So it's, um, essentially the army assigns someone as a watcher, an operative. They have to be highly skilled, um, sharp shooters, essentially.
ChrisAnd it's their job to guard this part of a gorge.
ChrisAnd they're in the, the person that we follow, Levi, he is over one side of the gorge.
ChrisAnd Drasa, it played by Anya Taylor-Joy is over the other side.
ChrisAnd so they're far enough away that in order to communicate at the beginning, they have to watch each other through, uh, you know, high-powered binoculars.
ChrisAnd so they hold up signs to communicate with each other.
ChrisAnd so they build the relationship that way, which is quite cute and, um, you know, a bit unusual, how do you form a relationship with each other there?
ChrisAnd especially when you're sort of against each other, you're meant to be, um, but also both protecting the, or guarding The Gorge.
ChrisAnd then, yeah, um, it it it definitely gets deeper, um, but probably in a way that you would expect it to unfold, you know, there is there is an amount of conspiracy, um, which.
LeeIs there is, is there at any point a conversation that goes, hey, what's your name? What? What's your name?
AdamTony.
ChrisFuck you, Tony.
AdamImagine if imagine if her name's Marco and his name's Polo.
AdamThey're just going to be like, oh, we're playing a game.
LeeWhat are we doing here?
ChrisYeah. Uh, well, it's a bit too far for that, but it's, uh, it's not so far that they can't show off with their, you know, sharp shooting skills.
ChrisUm, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's pretty good.
ChrisI definitely enjoyed that.
ChrisI would recommend it.
LeeExcellent.
LeeCool.
LeeUh, Adam, over to you.
AdamUm, well, I'm going to.
AdamFirst off, I'm going to go with, um, I finally, I finally watched 28 Years Later.
AdamAnd, um, I don't know, um, I don't know if because obviously I know you're an Alex Garland fan, Chris, and obviously it's him writing again, Danny Boyle directing.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd, um, yeah, I really, I really enjoyed it.
AdamI still, I'm going to sort of not not reserved judgment.
AdamI did enjoy the film, and, uh, particularly I want to, I I've got Bone Temple.
AdamI just didn't get a chance to watch it before today.
AdamOtherwise I would have probably gone on a double sort of thing.
ChrisI mean, I'm assuming you do need to watch 28 Years Later first.
AdamYes, yeah.
AdamApparently Bone Temple basically is a continuation on from there.
AdamAnd, um, so.
ChrisAlmost like a part two essentially.
ChrisI mean, because they're all part one, two, three, already.
AdamYeah.
AdamIn a way.
AdamWell, it's sort of so, but the thing I've found, I think the thing I found with it is that it's just so fascinating that they've managed to evoke a parallel reality.
AdamBecause obviously what they're taking is, is that the outbreak took place in 2000.
ChrisYes.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAs per when 28 Days Later came out.
AdamThey're ignoring 28 Weeks Later, which frankly, is the best way.
AdamBoth in and out of universe.
AdamUm, and, um, so the basically England got cut off.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisMm.
AdamAnd there's struggling survivors who've sort of managed to find a way to live, um, mostly by sort of isolating yourself on islands and peninsulas and stuff like that, that so they can sort of build little communities and stuff like that.
AdamAnd it centers around a boy whose mom is desperately ill, and his dad, I'm going to put it out there, a bit of a prick.
AdamUm, and, um, but he's sort of like showing him the ropes of how to be, you know, how to survive in the world and everything else like that.
AdamAnd this lad hears that there's a doctor on the mainland.
AdamUh, played by, um, Ray Fiennes.
AdamAnd who is fucking spectacular in it.
AdamAnd he he has apparently he's much more in Bone Temple, so I'm really looking forward to that.
AdamSee more of him in this character of Dr. Keller.
ChrisAnother one that doesn't seem to play in any films that are bad.
AdamYeah, another one, yeah, exactly.
AdamAnd, um, so, um, but.
ChrisAnd he started alongside Anya Taylor-Joy recently.
AdamYes.
AdamAnd but it's I I just love they've he's just done they've done such a good job of just that thing like I say, it's a parallel reality.
AdamSo it is 2026, but it's 2026 if everything went tits up in 2000.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd.
ChrisAnd we didn't learn about certain certain aspects.
AdamWell, well, this this is my favorite bit.
AdamBecause it's it's grim, Claire had to back off of it because she was like, I don't want to watch a little boy helping his sick mom and paying the price for it.
AdamYeah, because she was just too near.
AdamSo she was just like, no, she was like, I'm sticking me headphones on, let me know when big Will's turn up.
ChrisAnd they do.
AdamThere's a couple of big Willies, yeah.
AdamI mean, I was expecting a roller carpet the way people were going on about it.
AdamBut, you know, there's there's some impressive members.
AdamUm, but, um, but yeah, there's one bit and it's not really a spoiler, but at one point they meet up with this, um, soldier.
AdamWho's his battalion accidentally sort of who were patrolling the waters around England because England's in quarantine, they accidentally get stuck on the mainland.
AdamThey meet up with this guy and he's showing him his mobile phone.
AdamBecause obviously this little boy's never seen a mobile phone, doesn't know what it is.
AdamBut on it is a picture of this guy's girlfriend and obviously she is as is quite common today, fillers, lots of, had lots of work done and stuff like that.
AdamAnd this boy's like, what's wrong with her?
LeeYeah.
AdamI'm like, what do you mean what's wrong with her?
AdamShe's beautiful.
AdamOh, I know, there's a girl in my village, she's got that, when she eats fish, she goes all.
AdamAnd it's.
AdamAnd it's.
AdamAnd it's one little bit that's really sort of like hilarious, but yeah, again, it's just this sort of lovely thing of, yeah, of course he's never seen a mobile phone.
AdamHe's been in quarantine since.
AdamAnd that cut off, yeah.
AdamAnd, um, yeah, and so I want to see the next film to see, mostly to see how.
AdamThe rather bizarre ending sort of ties into it.
AdamBut, uh, no more, no more on that.
AdamI will probably report back on the next on the next we have been watching.
LeeExcellent.
AdamBut, uh, but so far, yes, and I I, you know.
AdamAs a continuation in that world, I'm enjoying, yeah.
ChrisI would definitely like that ending explained.
ChrisSo, yeah, perhaps I should watch it before you tell us.
AdamYes, yeah, yeah.
AdamHave a watch.
LeeRight, so my first choice was a recommendation from my brother, uh, following a discussion we were having on a film I'll be talking about later.
LeeUh, and we were talking about Catherine Newton, um, and how she everything she again another one, everything she's in is brilliant.
LeeUm, and my brother said, oh yes, my favorite film of hers is Abigail.
LeeUm, I had not seen Abigail.
LeeI'd seen the poster and I think I'd passed on it.
LeeSo I watched it with no knowledge.
LeeAnd for anyone who is in the same boat, I absolutely recommend don't watch a trailer, don't try and find out as little as possible, but this film is 100% a recommend from me.
LeeI think the reason I side stepped it is the cover is a little girl in a ballerina's outfit.
LeeOkay.
LeeUm.
AdamAh.
AdamOkay.
LeeShe is spewed with blood.
LeeBut.
ChrisThat's not quite enough to convince you before.
AdamSo I've obviously got confused here, this isn't the doll, the possessed doll film.
LeeNo.
LeeNo.
ChrisAnnabelle.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
AdamOkay, sorry, yeah, so I crack on, sorry.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah, and it it was amazing.
LeeI said, I Adam, I think you'll definitely love it, Chris, I think you would love it, but the problem is.
LeeOne of the main characters, basically to give you the very quick setup that won't spoil anything, uh, a gang has been told by a crime boss to kidnap a little girl.
LeeAnd they don't know anything more than they've got to hold her for 24 hours until the ransom comes in.
LeeSo they kidnap her, she's a 12-year-old ballerina who looks almost unnervingly like your own daughter.
ChrisYeah.
LeeSo, is it ballet?
ChrisYeah.
LeeVery much so.
LeeAnd very similar age, she looks exactly like, um, but yeah, and things go awry very, very badly.
ChrisWell, I often say people should be willing to face, you know, real horror.
LeeSo I think you should watch it, but I.
ChrisIs it an education?
LeeYes, I think it will stop you from sleeping, but you'll be worried about what might happen to the little girl.
LeeBut I won't give any more away about.
ChrisIs it a bit like Black Black Swan was a little bit hit hit home like that slightly?
LeeYeah, I mean, this was, it I I absolutely loved it.
LeeIt was such a fun film.
LeeUm, I watched a film, I did discuss it a while back, which I believe was French that was I'm pretty sure this is.
LeeNot quite a sort of a British remake of, or American remake of.
LeeUm, but yeah, it's I'd have to go back and revisit the original one to see how many.
LeeBut it it looked very similar and it had a very similar storyline.
LeeUm, but yeah, it was absolutely brilliant.
LeeI say and I it was one of those when it started, I was like, right.
LeeA lot of the how good this film is going to be is going to rest on the shoulders of a 12-year-old actress.
LeeYeah, who I've never seen before.
ChrisYeah.
LeeThis girl is out of this world.
LeeShe is her performance is absolutely.
LeeI mean it's a stellar cast.
LeeIt's really it's got a guy from Downton Abbey.
LeeLet's have a look, um, so I've not seen Downton Abbey.
LeeUm, but it's got Jane Stevens from Downton Abbey in it, uh, Alicia Weir is the young actress's name.
LeeLet's say Catherine Newton's in it.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah, it's just, uh, William Cathlet who I haven't seen before, but brilliant as well.
LeeUm, yeah, it it's just it it was brilliant.
LeeIt was so much fun.
LeeUm, it's fairly short as I remember.
LeeBut it really raced through, it was one of those films that one it it's an hour and 50 minutes.
LeeIt didn't feel that long.
LeeIt felt like it was an hour and a half tops.
LeeIt really was.
LeeBut yeah, brilliant, really good fun.
LeeYeah, definitely.
LeeI do recommend you both watch it.
LeeI say and Chris, if you might make you feel.
ChrisYeah.
LeeLike.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah.
LeeStick with it, it doesn't go where you think it's looking like it's going to go.
LeeAll right.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah, fantastic.
LeeBut avoid the trailer at all cost.
LeeRight.
ChrisFair enough.
LeeChris, back to you.
ChrisOkay, my second one was the wonderfully titled Death of a Unicorn.
ChrisWhich is 2025, Dark Horror Fantasy from A24.
LeeOoh.
LeeOh.
ChrisDirected by Alex Sharpman in his family directorial debut, um, and starring Paul Rudd, Jenna Ortega as father and daughter.
ChrisUm.
ChrisAlongside them also Will Poulter, T Leoni, Richard D. Grant, who I now know thanks to Adam from Withnail and I.
LeeOh.
AdamYeah.
ChrisI'm sure, I'm sure I've seen him in lots of other things.
ChrisI just.
AdamHe's he's literally been in a lot.
AdamHe's an Imperial officer in the ninth Star Wars.
ChrisOkay.
AdamWhich just felt like the the whatever the last one, yeah, The Rise of Skywalker.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
ChrisRise of.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisIs that, yeah, Rise of Skywalker, yeah.
ChrisOkay.
ChrisI yeah, totally do not remember him in that at all.
ChrisI have only seen it maybe twice, so, yeah.
AdamWell, listen, the thing is, he's he's he's quite a he's quite a posh, nasty Englishman, so it's not surprising he's an Imperial officer.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisIt's.
ChrisOh, yeah.
ChrisBut, yeah, I mean, it's it's great in this.
ChrisUm, Anthony Carrigan, Jessica Heinz, Suita Money, and Steve Park.
LeeJessica Heinz.
LeeYeah, great to see her in, uh, making it over to Hollywood.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisSo, um, yeah, it's, it like for.
ChrisOverall, it made me it reminded me the most of Krampus.
ChrisPossibly because of the feeling of something that you've just always associated with magical happiness.
ChrisRainbows, and now it's definitely not that, it's like messy, realistic-looking monster-ish, you know.
ChrisSo, and that that's pretty obvious from the the start, really, that that's what the unicorns are, um, so that's not really a too much of a shock.
ChrisSo I don't know how much of this is taken from real.
ChrisMythology or real research.
ChrisI it gives the impression that it is in the film, so perhaps it does.
ChrisI've not looked into that, but.
ChrisUm.
ChrisBut yeah, I, you know, I mean it covers really the the sort of.
ChrisUh, like wealth and narcissism, I suppose, and just sort of taking what you want from nature.
ChrisAnd morality, you know, soft and in there. Um, and yeah, and it like.
ChrisIt's it's pretty funny, um, it's a bit gruesome at points.
ChrisIt's just, it's it's good fun.
ChrisUm.
ChrisYeah, yeah, I definitely enjoyed it.
AdamYou've plenty reminded me of it, because I remember when it came out, I was like, oh, I'll have to watch that.
AdamAnd then when you just said it then, I was like, oh, bloody hell, yeah.
AdamThat just I just totally failed to actually watch it.
LeeYeah, I I saw it and I enjoyed it as well.
ChrisOkay.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, as you say, Chris, Krampus is probably the thing it's closest to because it's.
LeeAnd again, it's that that mix of comedy and horror coming from somewhere that you don't expect horror to come from.
LeeAnd it just it comes together so well.
ChrisYeah.
LeeI mean, Paul Rudd.
ChrisYeah.
LeeIt's.
LeeAnd Jenny Ortega.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's.
ChrisThey all work well together. There's there's definitely some very funny moments.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, yeah, great film.
LeeGood call.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm.
LeeAdam.
AdamUh, next is one that I've recommended to you guys before, but I wanted to recommend to the listeners as well.
AdamUh, which is, uh, strangely enough, all of my films, all the stuff I've watched is from 2025.
AdamSo this is like a film that has actually stuff produced this century.
AdamUm, but this is the film Obex, O B E X.
AdamUh, written and directed and starring Albert Bernie.
AdamAnd, uh, the sort of buzz that was going around about it or like the sort of buzz phrase that was going around about it was Eraser Head meets Legend of Zelda.
AdamThat is genuinely spot on.
AdamUm, because it's black and white, it's got some lovely sort of weird sort of like drony bits and sort of very odd sort of moments to it.
AdamBut essentially it's the story of a guy, he's a agoraphobic.
AdamUm, it's 90 it sort of early 80s, I think it's like 19, not sure actually, I think, well it's early 80s.
AdamAnd he's a agoraphobic, he's a shut-in.
AdamAnd he, um, makes his money doing little computer pictures.
AdamYou know, the ones where you make pictures of people using Asterix and ellipses and everything on a keyboard and just that's.
ChrisASCII art.
AdamThat's it, that's it.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd, um, yeah, he that's what he does, he does key up pictures of people for five dollars a pop.
AdamAnd that's how he earns his money.
AdamAnd, um, it's just him and his dog Sandy.
AdamAnd he sees in the back of a magazine a adventure game where you get put into the adventure.
AdamAnd he has to send them a video of himself and his name and his pet's name and stuff like that.
AdamAnd they say, oh, it would make you into the game.
AdamGets the disc through, puts it in, it's a bit pony.
AdamSo he chucks the disc to one side, just forgets about it.
AdamAnd then the demon at the heart of the game comes out into reality, kidnaps his dog.
AdamAnd then he has to go into the game to save his dog, and it is so fantastically done.
AdamThere's a bit where someone shows him a map and it unfurls, you know, from the center to scrolls.
AdamThe scroll sort of going out from the center with that proper noise that you always have.
AdamYeah, where it's the same sound effect on a game and stuff like that.
AdamAnd it's him sort of like having to plot his way through and there's puzzles and bits he has to beat and he meets friends along the way, including a guy with a TV for a head.
AdamAnd it is wonderfully strange and also unlike the one thing that I think is because you put a Razor Head in there and people are like, oh, I mean I find Razor Head funny in places.
AdamUm, and, um.
AdamBut it's, you know, I don't think it's the depress fest that people claim it is.
AdamBut, um, I think that Obex definitely has a sort of lovely heart to it.
AdamAnd it's just nice, you know, in its own sort of fucked up way.
AdamBut yeah, definitely worth a watch and it has, it sort of boarders into there's horrific moments the way a game sort of would be anyway.
AdamBecause it sort of that sort of Zelda medieval monsters.
AdamThat's kind of thing.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah.
AdamUh, but yeah, so that is a definite recommend Obex.
LeeYeah, I, so after you recommended it, I watched the trailer, yeah, and thought it looked fantastic.
AdamYeah, definitely.
LeeReally weird and interesting and original and, yeah, I really want to see it, so.
AdamYeah, definitely worth a watch.
LeeExcellent.
LeeRight, my next my next.
LeeRecommendation and Shame and already.
LeeMy next watch, uh, I watch Ready or Not 2.
LeeSo Ready or Not, here I come.
LeeUm, which, I say, I was discussing with my brother, and yeah, we're saying how good Tomorrow Weaving and Catherine Newton are.
LeeUm, as it again, every time they pop up in something, it's always brilliant.
LeeUh, so to see them both together was, it was really good.
LeeUh, yeah.
LeeAnd I mean.
LeeThe cast of this, so it's the both of them, uh, David Cronenberg is in it, Sarah Michelle Gellar is in it, Elijah Wood is in it.
LeeIt it's, uh, yeah, it was just an absolute riot.
LeeIf you liked the first one.
LeeIt I thought the what I thought was it's one of those, the first one was great, but it's a very contained story, I don't know how they are going to.
LeeBasically effectively trigger the same set of events again, but with two of them instead of one.
LeeUm, but they they do a really good job of it.
LeeAnd, yeah, it's every bit as brutal and nasty and funny as the first one is.
LeeUm, yeah, and just yeah, just a really good watch.
LeeI had a great time watching it.
LeeIt's definitely one as well that I will go back and rewatch again, um, a bit like the first one, might even I reckon they'd make a great double bill of the two of them.
LeeUm, so yeah.
AdamWould you reckon, would you recommend having seen the first one before you see the second one?
LeeI would, but you you wouldn't have to.
AdamRight.
LeeIt kind of works on it, as long as you know that the first one is, she, she goes to a basically it's supposed to be a wedding night.
LeeUm, the family have this tradition where you have to play a game, and the game basically turns into, uh, the deadliest game, which is the entire family trying to murder her.
LeeUm, and she makes it to the end.
LeeSpoiler alert for those of you who hadn't already guessed that definitely how it was going to play out in the first one, but that is.
LeeUm.
LeeYeah, and they managed to get her back and redo the entire thing, uh, with a sister who she's estranged from and they have a a difficult fractured relationship.
LeeSo putting the two of them side by side trying to fight for their lives.
LeeAgain, it's a rampaging horde of people with an entire arsenal of weapons and technology.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm, in a in a country house.
LeeBut yeah, it's it's just an absolute blast.
LeeReally, really good.
ChrisIs it a bit of an Evil Dead?
LeeNot quite, no.
ChrisIt sort of has a bit of that kind of look from the cover.
LeeLike it could be.
LeeYeah, again, so the cover yeah, definitely got that look, but no, it's it's more, um.
LeeIt's it's more an action horror really.
LeeUm, but yeah, just really, really.
LeeAnd Elijah Wood is fantastic in it.
LeeHe always is as well.
LeeUm.
LeeBut yeah, really good.
LeeSo if anyone was on the fence about it, I would say, honestly.
LeeI think it's every bit as good as the first one.
LeeSo.
AdamGet off that fence.
LeeYeah, absolutely, the law of diminishing returns is not in effect here.
LeeSo go and check it out.
ChrisI suppose it would have been quite different if she had died in the first one.
LeeWell, yeah.
LeeThere wouldn't have been a.
LeeSo the fact that there is a second one and she's on the cover.
LeeI don't think it's.
ChrisSo it gives away something, doesn't it?
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeUh, yeah, but yeah, that was great.
LeeUm, Chris, back to you.
ChrisOkay, so I went for one that we've mentioned quite a lot, definitely quite a few years ago now.
ChrisBut also I think we mentioned it recently, haven't got, you know, right to the end, I was like, oh, was I not meant to watch this?
ChrisSo, we're about to find out if I'm, uh, if I've been bad.
ChrisSo, it's The Lords of Salem by Rob Zombie.
LeeOh.
LeeOh.
LeeYes.
ChrisSo, did we ever plan to cover that?
LeeWe need to cover it.
ChrisWe we probably still can cover it.
ChrisI'm don't know that I'm going to go into as much detail as needed, really.
ChrisUm, especially because I kind of thought for the first third to a half, it's like, this is pretty straightforward, it's decent.
ChrisAnd then I kind of felt like, actually, there does seem to be a lot more to it.
LeeYeah.
ChrisUm, than I had the impression that it would have by the end, and then I was like, I don't even know if I totally followed it.
ChrisIn that, um, or or at least what what its ultimate aim was.
ChrisBecause I suppose often, um, when covering witches in certain, in in almost realistic ways.
ChrisThey're often kind of presented as they were the victims.
AdamMm.
ChrisIn a sense.
ChrisWhereas this is definitely not that, it's like there's there's lots of bad in everyone kind of thing.
ChrisUm, and, and I suppose the the like the idea of, um, like fate, you know, and and again, the fact that it's you're following a woman.
ChrisWhich I I found out was, um, that's Rob Zombie's wife, wasn't it?
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisAnd I thought she was good.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah, was she in any of his others that we'd watched?
AdamShe's.
AdamShe's in literally all.
ChrisI totally, like, I mean, it's been, it's been a few years, I've only seen them once.
ChrisAnd I was like.
AdamI think she's actually only in one non-Rob Zombie movie.
AdamEvery other.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisWell, I mean, I I think she's all right, really.
ChrisLike.
ChrisYeah, um, and it's funny because again, I I was totally expecting, um, you know, similar to the grind house sort of style that he had in his others.
ChrisAnd it really is, yeah, very, um, much more subdued, and interesting the the the artistic effect he's gone for where, um, when it's sort of her normal experience.
ChrisThe colors are muted.
ChrisAnd then and then it gets pretty crazy at points, you know, almost like psychedelic.
AdamYeah.
AdamI feel it's his sort of Italian.
ChrisYes, yeah, definitely.
AdamHe's done sort of, you know, gritty sort of serial killer movies, he's done blatant horror, he's obviously remade Halloween.
AdamBut I think that this is that as I recall, because funnily enough, um, uh, how should we refer to Dean, friend of the podcast or friend of the podcast?
AdamUm, he, um, because I remember talking to him a little while back and he said that he'd rewatched it and he wasn't sure if it had held up as much as he.
AdamSo in my head I was like, I do want to watch it again.
AdamJust to see, you know, to see if it's still got it.
AdamBut I mean I remember really enjoying it.
AdamAnd I think it was quite his, yeah, I think it was like.
AdamIn a way his sort of like Susperia, where he.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's it's witches, but they are genuinely.
AdamThey genuinely have powers and are monstrous.
AdamAnd like you say, it has fucking psychedelic.
AdamNutso bits as well.
ChrisSo.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisAnd, and, uh, it took it took the the Willy scenes.
ChrisA little bit further than some others have have done.
AdamYeah.
ChrisAnd and in fact some of the some of the language as well.
ChrisThere was a pretty good quote which I can't quite say because there might be the 12-year-old before mentioned.
ChrisPallerina outside the door.
ChrisBut, uh, yeah.
ChrisSo, I yeah, no, it turned out, like by the end, I was just thinking there's this actually really good, there's a lot in it that I hadn't expected, um, yeah, about halfway through.
ChrisSo, I can definitely see why you've said so much about it, Lee.
LeeYeah, it totally, totally blew me away.
LeeI was so gutted, so I was going to be there on opening weekend for it.
LeeUh, and a friend of ours, who I won't mention, works for a, um, heavy metal, like a rock music magazine.
LeeHe got to go to the preview in London.
LeeOh, right.
LeeUm, and came away, and I saw I saw him, um.
LeeLike the week before it came out, and he said, oh, yeah, I got to go to like a preview screening and it's fucking amazing.
LeeAnd I.
LeeStill didn't go and watch it and then it came out on DVD.
LeeAnd I think Adam you bought it and brought it around and we watched it together and went, oh my god, that was amazing.
LeeIt was so.
AdamI I still think it's certainly of of Rob Zombie's films, it was definitely my favorite.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, I think it really.
AdamAnd and ending with All Tomorrow's Parties.
AdamBy the Underground and me was just.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamThat's astounding.
AdamThat is anyway.
LeeAgain, it's that it's that.
Lee70s slowburn, but yeah, as you say.
LeeLike the way he put some of those set pieces and stuff together, as you say, and the very brightly colored, very glumb and that very ending.
LeeIt's just gorgeous, it's.
AdamAnd you've got like Patricia Quinn in there and.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah, it's like, yeah, some proper.
AdamProper names in there.
LeeYou know.
LeeUh, yeah, cuz you're right though.
LeeLike Cherry Moon generally, he always gets her to play the sort of over the top, over exaggerated, over theatrical.
LeeUm, and in this, she played a much more real character, and I was the same, I was like, oh, she can she can really.
LeeI thought she just played this kind of hyper realistic version of herself and she just but but in this she was really, really good.
ChrisYeah, yeah, it felt very real.
ChrisAnd, yeah, not not overacted.
ChrisAt all.
ChrisLike.
LeeShe's just.
ChrisYeah, someone who's kind of lost and.
LeeAs her radio persona being so different to her to her character you see from her very, very real where it's nothing like that.
LeeUm, yeah.
LeeAnd I thought it was just really well written, really well put together.
LeeA a gorgeous sound to it as well.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah, five to the soundtrack thing, yeah.
ChrisYeah, so it'd be good if we did cover it properly.
LeeYes, I definitely would be up for that.
LeeUm, Adam, what's your last choice?
AdamUh, just very quick, Reflections on a Dead Diamond, this is the latest film from the directing team of Helleine Catette and Bruno Forzani.
AdamUm, and basically they did a lot of, they've done a lot of, best way of putting it, homage movies, um, they did a few, uh, giallo.
AdamLike they did a film called Amer, and The Strange Color of Your Body's Tears, which is one of the most perfect.
AdamMade up like Italian, you know, like reflections on a lizard's skin and stuff like that, or, um, and basically it's, um, I don't know, the best way of putting it.
AdamIt is, uh, Sean Connery is on a, he's not Sean Connery, obviously, it's just a, it's a, it's French, so it's a French guy.
AdamUh, but he is basically, it's as if Sean Connery's retired to the Riviera.
AdamAnd slowly dying on a beach, whilst getting his past confused with either.
AdamIs he actually James Bond superspy or is he a bloke who played James Bond superspy?
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd it's.
AdamWonderfully surreal.
ChrisIs that Bubba Ho-Tep that reminded me of?
AdamYeah, it's.
AdamWell, it's wonderfully surreal and it's it's one of those ones where because there's quite often when we're watching stuff.
AdamClaire just goes, am I meant to know what's happening yet?
AdamAnd I'm like, no.
AdamAnd she went fine, I'm not being thick, so.
AdamAnd.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd.
AdamIt sort of, but it's it's one of those ones where I mean it's absolutely style over substance, but it is style.
AdamAnd, um, and it has some fucking brutal violence in it.
AdamThat you wouldn't see in like a Euro spy or a Bond film or something like that.
AdamBut it's that sort of thing of the implication, you know, people with gadgets and sort of like a, um, like there's a woman who's got blades in her heels and in her hair and stuff like that.
AdamBut she genuinely disembowels someone over a foseball table and stuff like that.
AdamAnd it's just, it's.
AdamYeah.
AdamI just it was just great fun.
AdamAnd it was one of those things where I just kept seeing clips of it on Instagram and I was just like, what the fuck is that?
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's so amazing.
AdamAnd, um, fortunately it's on Shudder.
AdamSo I was like, oh, I'm definitely check it out.
AdamAnd as I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, it's these guys who I have watched their other stuff before and in general, you know, it's really good, but this this was one that really struck with me.
AdamBut I think I've just been watching lots of stuff like Fantas and Diabolique and stuff like that lately anyway, so it's in that kind of vein.
AdamBut yeah, real really good and, you know, don't necessarily expect to come away with much.
AdamBut fuck me, will you enjoy the ride because it is just stunning.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah, excellent.
LeeSounds good.
LeeSounds good.
LeeUm, so I caught up, I know we all discussed it quite a lot on on the group, I can't remember we discussed it on the episode or not.
LeeUh, so I got around to watching 2026's The Bride.
LeeOh.
LeeOh.
AdamOh.
LeeUh, directed by Maggie Gyllenhaal.
LeeUh, starring.
ChrisAll right.
LeeUh, Jesse Buckley, Christian Bale, and Jake Gyllenhaal.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
LeeUm, I say I watched it.
LeeI watched about 20 minutes and I stormed out of the room in anger.
LeeAt what a pretentious load of absolute piss it was.
LeeIt made me so angry, it was so nonsense.
LeeWhich is because the trailer made it look like it was going to be great.
LeeUm, and Jesse Buckley and Christian Bale gave it everything.
LeeBut it is an absolute piece of shit, it makes no it posits a world.
LeeIn which, unless I've got mistaken, Frankenstein's monster is a real thing, but Mary Shelley also wrote a fictional story of exactly the same thing.
LeeAnd both things exist in the same world.
LeeUm, it's got lots of weird black and white cutaways, just horrible, horrible student film shit.
LeeAnd it just upset me so gravely.
AdamOh, to be honest, you really tempted me there.
ChrisI know.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou said pretentious.
AdamI was like, okay, tell me more.
LeeTell me more.
LeeOh, me.
LeeOh, it was, oh, it just, yeah.
LeeI was very upset about it.
LeeUm, but yeah, I mean, because all they done it sort of like it's sort of Bonnie and Clyde, isn't it?
LeeIt's like 1930s.
LeeAnd there.
LeeYeah.
LeeUh, basically on the run and something, isn't it?
LeeYeah, they they basically they they're just like, well.
LeeWe're not going to fit into society, so fuck society and just go full Bonnie and Clyde.
LeeYeah.
LeeUm.
LeeBut yeah.
LeeIn but none of it makes any sense.
LeeI mean, the way she comes back to life, I don't want to give that away.
LeeLike it's just.
LeeAbsolutely shite, and I hated every moment of it.
LeeBut, uh, so, yeah.
AdamWell, because there was there because there was also the, um, there was a sting.
LeeYeah.
AdamBride of Frankenstein movie, again, just called The Bride, which was.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, I think it's one of those weird mistakes.
LeeWhere it's like, look.
LeeThere is a perfect Bride of Frankenstein film, it's The Bride of Frankenstein, yeah.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeMaybe baby just no one's going to improve on it.
LeeYeah, in a way.
LeeSo, just yeah, I mean, I get that the bride isn't in it a lot.
LeeSo people are trying to make more of a character of it, but it, yeah, it it it.
LeeIt was.
LeeUm.
LeeYes, so.
LeeYeah, don't bother.
LeeAdam, you might well, actually.
LeeYou both might enjoy it.
LeeBecause.
LeeI, yeah, I definitely didn't.
LeeSo, yeah, watch it and report back if you want.
AdamWell, well, I'm going to what what I'm going to do is I'm going to reserve judgment until it's available on like it's streaming on something and then I'm going to yeah, don't pay for it for that.
AdamYeah, that was that was my risk is because I was like there was a part of me that was like, oh, you know, yeah, I I will venture towards a Blu-ray occasionally before we end up, you know, having to find each other for a scotch egg with fucking pub cues at some point.
AdamWell, while there's still somewhere with all in the world.
AdamI thought I might I'll occasionally invest.
LeeYeah, so, yeah, but yeah, I'd watch it for free, because otherwise you'll be pissed off like I was.
LeeUm, fair enough.
LeeRight, so we'll be back in a Fortnight's time.
LeeUh, we're covering a film that Adam and I have talked about an awful lot in front of Chris, but I don't think we've ever discussed as a possible episode.
LeeWe're going to be watching Dead Snow.
LeeUm, the Nazi zombie movie, um.
AdamIn snow.
LeeYeah, in snow.
AdamNazi zombies on ice.
ChrisWhat more could you want?
LeeYeah, so, uh, yes, so we'll be back in a Fortnight's time to cover Dead Snow.
LeeGo and watch the things we said were great.
LeeDon't watch the things we said were wank.
LeeAnd we'll see you in a Fortnight's time.
LeeThanks very much for listening.
LeeGood night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamNight night.
