Ghostbusters II
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Christmas has been and gone, it’s roast dinner farts lingering like slush on the street as we pitch towards New Year’s Eve, and our extended festive holiday in New York draws to an end with “Ghostbusters II”. A film in which Nancy Spungen predicts the end of days; Bill Murray seeks psychiatric help from his own brother; and, once more, New York is portrayed as a festering hotbed of aggression, with a toxic sludge running beneath its streets. Much like the subject of our previous episode - “Ghostbusters II” came too late to ride the seismic wave of popularity the original generated. Unlike “Gremlins 2”, however, it doesn’t particularly offer anything new, with many noting the similar story beats to the first film. Oddly for a tale about negative emotions feeding supernatural events, it’s also softer and less cynical in its outlook, presumably part of efforts to aim it more for the kids who had unexpectedly embraced the original. For those of us young enough, it still holds an affectionate place in our hearts as we finally got more “proper” Ghostbusters, but, as far as the studio was concerned, this failed to catch the lightning a second time, and any further talk of sequels were shelved for nearly thirty years. Whist not a patch on the original, but with interesting moments, good gags, exemplary effects and great additions to an already perfect cast, “Ghostbusters II” doesn’t deserve the poor reputation it’s had over the years. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
If there's something strange in your neighborhood / who you going to call?
Famous lines
- "You're next, Bubbles."— Dr. Peter Venkman
- "Mood slime."— Dr. Peter Venkman
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LeeGood evening, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeAnd we are here with spoilers and swearing for our New Year's Eve episode, well, our New Year's episode, should I say.
AdamYeah.
Leewe are covering 1989's Ghostbusters 2.
Adamisn't it weird that it doesn't have an extra bit to that?
LeeYeah, it it doesn't.
AdamYou feel?
ChrisThat should be.
AdamGremlins 2, the new batch.
ChrisYeah.
AdamTerminator 2, judgment day.
AdamGhostbusters 2.
ChrisHe-Man.
AdamYeah.
ChrisThey should have they should have actually put that on there.
AdamI, I dispute the fact that kids in 1989.
ChrisI was wondering that. Yeah.
AdamOr expecting him to turn up as well.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWhich is fucking weirder, frankly.
LeeI'm wondering if it is the thing of kids stuff, you know, sort of goes through phases so quickly.
LeeI'm wondering if, you know, when this was first been drafted or whatever.
ChrisIt could have, yeah.
LeeIt could have been relevant at the time and then the three years or whatever it takes for the film to be completed and come out, everyone's like, who?
ChrisBut that that almost makes it better, like it's just the references and the jokes they put in here are just so, you know.
AdamIf it had been, if it had been true to 1989, though, they genuinely, those kids should have been, "Oh, I thought it was going to be Batman."
ChrisYeah.
AdamIt's the same year that Tim Burton's Batman comes out and sort of does all the same things that Ghostbusters did, where you've got like, like Prince doing the fucking soundtrack, and the bat symbol was everywhere, it was on T-shirts, it was on mugs, everything, fucking thing had those on them.
AdamAnd, yeah, and it's like, almost like it did the same thing that Ghostbusters did in 1984, but also had toys wisely, so they and knew they were doing a franchise, so they were kind of already kind of geared up to doing another one soon.
ChrisYeah.
Adamwhereas, yeah.
LeeYou mentioned in Prince, controversial take, I'm going to come right out and say it.
LeeI prefer the Bobby Brown song on Ghostbusters 2 to the Ray Parker Jr. song on Ghostbusters.
AdamWow.
AdamI am, no, I that is that is a fair comment.
AdamYou know Bobby Brown's in it, didn't you?
LeeYes, yes, very.
LeeHe's in it for 14 seconds and still manages to look straight down the barrel of the camera. What an absolute professional.
AdamHe was,
Adambecause he's the when Chris, he's, he is, it's when they go to the mayor's office. Bobby Brown is the guy who lets them in on the door, who says, "Can you get a can my kid brother buy a proton pack?" or whatever.
ChrisYeah.
Adamand that and that's the whole reason he did the song is if he could be in the film.
ChrisThat's true enough.
Adambut, but also rather clever, clever negotiation, that was also they did the soundtrack album on his label.
ChrisOh.
LeeYes. Very smart.
LeeThis film is riddled with cameos, it's got to be said.
Adam
LeeSo him, obviously, Cheech Marin is working at the dock for possibly the most sinister shot of the film.
AdamOh, the Titanic coming back is amazing.
LeeOh, it's so creepy.
LeeIt's it's the bit that always sticks in my mind because it was the that and Janosh as the nanny.
LeeThose two images are so creepy that that always sticks in my mind as the kind of focus of the movie.
ChrisSo that's funny, right? They are, but I realized the ones that stick in my mind, and in fact, the only scenes that I could remember was the head of Vigo coming out of the painting, which when I saw that, I was like, what? It's crazy. And, and, Winston and the train going through him, and it just somehow made me feel like, oh yeah, train going through here. I was like, that's a new idea, you know.
AdamThat that's that's a beautiful little joke as well, with just the sorry I missed it.
ChrisYeah.
Adamjust Ernie Hudson just does that fantastically.
AdamBut that, because I think the creepiest bit for me, and the one that why it sticks in my head, is where they've caused a blackout and Janos turns up at Dana's apartment.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it's just when he walks off and his eyes glow.
LeeOh, God, yeah. That was.
AdamBut they're like talk things.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd and I I was looking at it on the Blu-ray and I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's drawn on essentially. I don't think that's like a a I don't think that's a physical effect. I might be wrong, but it looks kind of like it is or it may be enhanced like.
AdamBut it's just so good, and I've always thought that was that was something that should be in a genuinely frightening film.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYou know, rather, but, you know, it's,
AdamBut I think also that there was when, we did because we talked about, I'm sure we've talked about it when we did like the Exorcist and stuff, but like Max von Sido being the voice of Vigo was just like, oh, fuck, yeah, of course it is.
LeeYeah.
AdamBut I'd never known that it was him all the time, you know, obviously, I saw this when it came out and watch it not as often as I've watched Ghostbusters, but usually in tandem if I've watched Ghostbusters, I'll stick on Ghostbusters 2.
ChrisSo, I totally did not remember this being like anywhere near as good as I thought it was watching it again now.
ChrisAnd I understood way more in it than the last time I saw it, which possibly was in 1989 at the cinema. I don't think, I don't remember watching it again since.
ChrisI really didn't remember so much of it.
ChrisAnd there are so many entertaining scenes and yeah, and like, and they do, they work so well together again.
AdamIt's it's a bit like, I think, in my head, it's almost like it was the equivalent of watching the DVD extras on something.
Chris
AdamYou know, like the like the outtakes or you know when you you know when you go through like the the cut scenes on a disk.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd you're just like, oh, they should have kept that in, that's fucking brilliant.
AdamOr whatever like that.
AdamThat kind of is how I think of it in my head. I watch it in that same sort of why where it's like, it's more Ghostbusters.
AdamLiterally that's it. It's just.
ChrisBut I was sort of expecting like the jokes to be a bit like, oh yeah, well, they've sort of done that, but somewhere for me, it's just really, I mean, I might be interested in a particularly good mood today, but yeah, it just works so well.
ChrisLike, you know, even Egon at the start, the test he's doing, and Peter and his relationship with Dana, and just how he's still the same, he's still sleazy, but he's sort of nice and he's improving again, and it's like, yeah, I definitely found it very fun.
LeeI I I think for me, Peter McNichol as Janosh.
LeeJust absolute. I don't know how much of that obviously is like improvised, but just like his very first line when he walks through, he walks past that girl and just goes, "Everything you're doing is bad."
ChrisI want you to know that. Yeah.
AdamYeah, he's he's an absolute, he's a fantastic addition to the cast.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBecause you've already because like we said, everyone's great and everyone comes back, which is good as well. You haven't got anyone who's not.
AdamWinston somehow looks younger.
LeeYes. I noticed that as well.
AdamSo, yeah, Ernie Hudson, the fucking Benjamin Button of supernatural comedy. Who's aging backwards.
ChrisBut I totally did not remember Lewis, Rick Morannis having such a big role and towards the end, I've decided he's like a sexy badass Michael Gove.
AdamOh, blimey, Chris, you are a mess psychologically, my friend. To even put those words together.
ChrisI know.
AdamAlthough he's
AdamI mean, I was surprised this time. I've got to say, I know you said, Adam, that you always watched it two in tandem.
LeeI probably watch Ghostbusters every two or three years.
LeeGhostbusters 2, I never watch because in my head, it's always a bit shit.
LeeSo I just don't. And then when I watched it again today, I was like, it's probably the second time I've seen it in the last decade.
LeeAnd I'm like, yeah, no, it isn't actually. I it's a it's a good solid movie. I don't know why in my head.
ChrisYou know, yeah.
AdamI I think when it came, I think the trouble is, I think it's one of those things, when it came out, it just got a really bad rep.
ChrisAnd it's hard to then, you know.
AdamNot.
AdamObjectively, it's not as good as the original.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut it is, and considering some sequels that we've seen, not Ghostbusters, because I've not seen the others, but, you know, other franchises and things were just come back and it's like, this is definitely not the worst second film that I've seen, you know, it's
LeeIt isn't Troll 2.
LeeSo I mean it's, you know, it's got that going for it.
LeeBut yeah, I I was I was surprised how much I enjoyed it and I do think it is going to become more regular.
Leeyeah, because it it has, it's got, like you say, it's got all the characters you love in it, doing exactly the same as they did in the first film.
LeeIt's got the same great comedy. It's got those creepy.
LeeThat bit when the painting of Vigo changes.
LeeAnd it's just his head.
Leeabove the the archway.
LeeIt looks so sinister.
LeeConsidering it's a river of pink slime, which is a ludicrous camppy idea.
LeeThey somehow managed to make it look sinister, which is incredible.
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's it's weird as well because, a lot of it, like the slime stuff, I'm pretty sure.
Adambecause in between the films, you had the real Ghostbusters.
Adamlike the cartoon series.
AdamAnd you had figures with that.
AdamAnd obviously it was like, there's Ghostbusters figures, right?
AdamWe've got to get those.
AdamBut the slime that came with it was always like, fucking cranberry, like,
ChrisOh, no, right.
Adamlike tin cranberry sort of jelly, you know, it just it was that color.
AdamWhich was weird because the first film, it's slimer is the slimer.
AdamAnd so green and so on and so forth.
AdamAnd yeah, it's just
Adamit seems to be that they were like, we've got a fucking shitload of this pink slime now.
AdamShould we put it in the film?
LeeAnd it just looks really good with the purple running.
LeeI'm wondering if that's why I've got an as mild obsession with pink and purple going to give her, hence why I'd rather pink and purple car.
LeeI'm wondering if that's what it is.
LeeIt it like it's literally, because it looks great when it's in that river.
Leeand the effects in this hold up as well.
Leethe bit when Janosh gets shot by the eyes of Vigo from the painting.
ChrisYeah.
AdamI love that bit.
Lee
Leehis acting's fantastic.
LeeBut those effects still look really good for 1988.
ChrisYeah.
Adam
ChrisYeah, definitely.
AdamDid I was also for not for the first time, but I think the first time it's actually occurred to me that, Janos really it's a very Peter Laurie performance.
LeeYeah.
Chris
AdamIt's that same sort of just it just riot, you know, just he's he would I'm assuming he would has he been Renfield?
LeeOh, God.
LeeHe should be.
ChrisI'm sure.
AdamI'm I'm actually now questioning that because I think I might have actually seen that he did, but he.
LeeYeah, he would play that perfect.
LeeThat is what that is.
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's, oh no, I don't think he has.
AdamNo, no, just me making that up.
AdamBut yeah, he would be right for Renfield. Oh, and the matrice D of the restaurant.
AdamYou don't necessarily you wouldn't have necessarily noticed, but it's Johnny Ecard from Dracula AD 1972.
LeeWow. No, I didn't spot.
LeeI'll tell you what I did spot this time again seeing it on Blu-ray.
LeeNow, it isn't on IMDB or in the I don't think it was in the credits, I didn't watch the credits, not been like.
Leebut I flicked it back twice, and I am pretty sure that again, it could just be someone who looks an awful lot like him or I need to change my glasses.
LeeThe scene where they take them to the asylum and they walk in.
ChrisYeah.
LeeAnd it's the, it's Kurt Fuller and he's got two cops with him. I'm fairly sure one of those is Walter Peck.
AdamNo, no, it's not it's not Peck. No, he's not in it, I'm afraid.
ChrisNo.
LeeHe looks exactly like when you see and he again, he looks like he's trying not to be seen too much by the camera. And I was like, I'm sure that's it.
LeeAnd I even skipped it back and watched it and I was like, I'm 85% sure that is him.
AdamNo, I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's not because it didn't come up.
Adamone that I thought you might have been was because for some reason, the two people because Venkman having that paranormal sort of show.
Adamtalk show.
LeeYeah.
AdamAbsolutely fucking perfect. For what they've gone into since the failure of Ghostbusters.
ChrisYeah.
AdamRay runs a book shop.
AdamYes, obviously.
AdamEgon has gone back to science. Yes, because he's an actual genuine fucking science kid.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd, and Venkman is a bullshit artist on television, you know. He would have his own podcast. He's just.
AdamSo.
AdamI think that's perfect.
AdamBut the two the two people who are on there, the lady who predicts that it's,
Adamthe world ends on Valentine's Day 2016.
LeeYeah.
Adamthat's Nancy from Sid and Nancy, it's Chloe Webb.
LeeI, you know what, I knew I recognized her from something, but I couldn't work out what it was.
LeeIt's because she looked so, so different, but yeah.
AdamYeah, she's not dressed as Nancy.
LeeYeah.
AdamOh. And the psychiatrist they're talking to is Bill Murray's brother, who's in like Scrooged and Saturday night live and loads of,
Adamwell, loads of stuff with Bill Murray, strangely enough.
AdamBut that's the first time I'd ever known that, and as soon as he appeared, it was like, yeah, that's clearly Bill Murray's brother.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBecause it's just him on a on a different form, like different shape, but it's still Bill Murray.
AdamBut.
AdamI again that I mean, I think at the time people were sort of like, oh well, Batman won the kids and lots of people said, oh, it goes over the same sort of story beats and things like that.
AdamAnd but yeah, I think that's what's led to its poor rep that no one ever because at the time everyone was quite it was it sort of was pretty negative immediately about it.
AdamAnd I think that's probably why it sort of it happened.
AdamBut they,
Adambut obviously it was like, so what we 89, so it was well, it says at the start five years later.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd but like I was saying earlier, this wasn't Ghostbusters was such a surprise hit, like we said on that episode. And out of nowhere just went stratospheric.
AdamAnd so they were like, right, we need to do a sequel.
AdamAnd then,
ChrisThey just took a bit.
AdamWell, it took five years because immediately because like I said, if you plan like nowadays when they plan sequels, you contract people to it.
LeeYeah.
AdamThis was a standalone movie.
AdamEveryone in it was big, they were going off and doing other things.
AdamSo not only was it having to get them all to agree to come back.
AdamAnd then work to a point where all of them were scheduled at the same time to be available.
ChrisYeah.
AdamPlus writing a script from scratch because there was no there was nothing in development because it was like.
ChrisI wasn't sure if if I had the impression that they weren't all in it quite as much overall.
AdamWell, apparently the early cut, the early sort of, cut of it, they found that like Ivan Reitman, the director, obviously returned from the first film. He was he found it kind of, that he'd sort of focused a bit too much on Dana and Venkman rather than the Ghostbusters as a unit.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd but also that's why they put in bits like them going down into the subway with the faces and,
Adam
Adamlike when the I think they filmed a lot after they'd finished filming, they were doing reshoots and they did that whole bit where the, photographs set light.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo that it would again have like, oh, you know, it in a weird way, they were like, shit, we haven't actually put any danger moments or exciting moments in it.
Adamthat people were kind of expecting from the first one. after the how the first one works.
Adamand it was like, cuz it's weird, it kind of has to re-establish itself again and it's like, no, we know ghosts work and ghosts exist.
AdamThe first thing that Claire said when we were watching it was, oh, because by now Ghostbusters would be a franchise.
AdamBecause clearly ghosts exist and you can make money off this, so they would have been the franchise that they were originally going to sort of see.
AdamThat that said, but or other people would be doing it because they obviously got sued to oblivion.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, I and I do again, it it is that.
LeeIt does almost ring true with that thing of when you watch it and they're, you know, the kid says to him, my dad says you're all fake and it's all a bunch of nonsense.
LeeAnd you can almost imagine that because people are so, people admittedly like myself are so on the fence that no matter how much proof you show them, you go, yeah, someone's fucking me. This isn't this isn't really what it appears to be.
LeeSo, I found that a bit jarring at first.
LeeBut actually, I was like, yeah, that's the, you know.
LeeIf you live in New York, but happened to be indoors for the, you know, three hours that it that whole of New York fell to pieces.
LeeYou would be like, I didn't see it myself, so I'm not necessarily.
ChrisI'm not. Yeah.
LeeYeah.
ChrisI did wonder about that the, whether it was a good choice to have the emotions sort of causing giving the ghosts power. I didn't know if that was starting to hit towards Midichlorian kind of a,
Chrisbut actually, I decided for the film that it is, totally fine and I actually quite liked it.
AdamI think you, the good thing is, is Dan Aykroyd is genuinely obsessed with all this stuff. So you know you're in a fairly good space in terms of,
Adamfor want of a better word, realism in your supernatural, you know, a grounding in your supernatural, as it were.
AdamAnd, yeah, I think so there are because apparently the first version of it was going to be they wanted to go international.
AdamSo they were like and again, this is like Dan Aykroyd just like huge budget in his head.
Adamjust imagination untethered.
AdamAnd he was like, right, we'll do, we'll make it international and it was like Dana gets kidnapped and enters a fairy circle in Scotland that leads to a subterranean world.
AdamAnd they use the old pneumatic tube system under New York, which gets mentioned in this, to walk all the way to Scotland.
Adamover the course of like three days or whatever like that. And yeah, just a lot of stuff they weren't going to put in.
Adamand then they were like, stick to New York. That worked well. And giant monster at the end.
LeeSo we just want something that's a giant.
LeeWhat's a giant in New York?
LeeThere you go.
LeeStatue of Liberty done.
LeeSorted.
AdamCuz that cuz they said it was weirdly enough, they wanted to do it. They wanted to do it underground because then it would be the opposite of so you end your first movie on a skyscraper and you end the next one in the bowels of the earth, as it were.
AdamSo,
Adambut but again, yeah, I I just don't think.
Adameveryone was like, right, realistically, what are you talking about? Man.
AdamYou know.
AdamSo, you can't fault his,
Adamyou can't fault his ambition.
AdamAlso, the kid who says that, he's another cameo, the kid who says that, the Ghostbusters, my dad says, you guys are full of shit.
Adamhe's Jason Reitman, who is director of Ghostbusters afterlife.
ChrisOh.
LeeOh.
ChrisOh.
LeePretty good.
AdamAnd who is the director of Ghostbusters afterlife.
Adamhe's also,
Adamhe's also in twins, the, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny De Vito.
ChrisYeah.
LeeReally?
AdamAs is Chloe Webb, who is then, who is the a woman who's, predicting the future.
Lee
AdamSorry.
AdamIt's just occurred to me, that did, I was quite quite pleased with myself.
AdamAnd apparently the original version was kind of like Dana and Venkman were together and Oscar was their kid.
AdamAnd I think like again, that was like they rejected that cuz it was like.
ChrisYeah. I thought this kind of worked.
Christhe way you would expect because he probably wasn't ready to be.
AdamIt feels far more realistic that she was, you know, that she'd have gone off and gave him a chance.
AdamThey would not, yeah, they gave him a chance and certainly not, you know, having a kid with him chance.
AdamSo,
Adamyou know, it was.
AdamApparently.
AdamOscar's father is meant to be the cello guy from the first film.
AdamYeah.
Adambut I I mean that's neither here nor there.
AdamYou know, we weren't clamoring for that explanation all these years, were we?
AdamSo.
LeeNo, it wasn't the one thing that I needed to know about Ghostbusters.
LeeLike, for example, how they positively charged the slime that was never really explained.
LeeThey just went, oh, we positively charged some.
LeeYou go, okay, great.
LeeThen why don't you positively charge them at all?
LeeWell,
Leeyou know,
AdamWell, they gave you an indication that they might be using it sexually.
ChrisYeah.
AdamSo we which you would have thought would have helped because obviously, you know, you have to have something a bit a bit wrong in a Ghostbusters film.
Adamyou know, that's that's appropriate that's but skip over it.
AdamJust.
AdamSo.
AdamBut there's a lot with,
Adamand the weird thing was is so Ted loves Ghostbusters.
AdamI watched Ghostbusters like and because we thought, oh, he'll like Ghostbusters.
Adambecause it's, you know, there wasn't despite what I've just said, there wasn't anything in it.
AdamAnd this was how old was Ted when he first saw it for?
AdamFour or five.
AdamFour or five.
AdamI think.
ChrisWell, apparently all this went over my head when I was older than that. So.
AdamBut so we watched the first one and he liked it.
AdamBut this is the one he really liked.
LeeOh, really?
AdamThis is the one that he really took to.
AdamSo, maybe they were doing something right.
Adamcuz obviously it's this is where they'd cut out like.
AdamAt one point, definitely Dan Aykroyd is smoking. Cuz he's got a fucking cigar out of his mouth.
AdamLike Hannibal from the eighties.
ChrisI was gonna say, yeah.
AdamNo one smokes in it again.
Adambecause it was like, oh no, we're doing it for kids now, so we can't have this.
ChrisYeah, that's funny. Yeah.
AdamSo it's sort of, you know, it's it's actually a bit less, weirdly, it's a bit less cynical in its world view.
Adamor a bit less grown up in its world view, you know, but especially for a film about basically everyone in this town hates each other so much.
AdamIt's manifested a way for a undead fucking tyrant to return through a painting.
AdamThat's how bad things have got.
LeeAnd it does make you wonder, I mean, obviously, I've been at New York a couple of times, but only in the last, you know, 10 or 12 years.
LeeBut yeah, this and again, the as we said with Jason Takes Manhattan, the fact that someone like that can just walk through murdering their way through New York.
Leeand they're just like, we're too busy with other shit.
LeeLike this is not a top priority.
LeeYou just wonder.
LeeI know it was awful in the eighties, but yeah.
LeeI guess this does kind of just show you how I mean, I know it's it's a film and it's it's gamed up.
LeeBut yeah, it does make you wonder just how bad New York was in the eighties, really.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut it was all right, all you needed to do was force a national monument up the road, smash through the, very fine stained glass roof of a of a uptown art gallery.
AdamAnd they were cheering their asses off.
LeeIt is a good sing along, just puts everything right, supposedly.
LeeI mean, so I wouldn't agree with that, but you know.
ChrisIt gets most people's moods raised.
AdamI I then like going back to what you were saying Lee, that's the weird thing as well.
AdamI should absolutely despise the song on our own, like the Bobby Brown song.
AdamI but no, it still has an odd thrilling effect.
Adamin the sort of yeah, I associate it with Ghostbusters, that's exciting.
AdamI was the right age that that still worked.
AdamThat's why I think another thing that we sort of don't sort of hate on the movie as much as some do.
AdamYou know, so.
LeeWell, I mean, I'm not. I unsurprisingly, I am not the biggest fan of 90s R&B.
LeeBut that song,
Leethat song works for me, and I think even without the film.
Leebecause that's the thing, the Ray Parker Jr. one is a very cheesy song and if it wasn't for the film,
Leenobody will give it the time of day.
LeeBut this song,
Leejust works.
LeeI I just I can see this.
Leeobviously, the lyrics are all about the Ghostbusters. But if you change the lyrics and had this song,
Leeit would just work at that time period and it would still be a number one.
AdamI mean, fucking hell Bobby Brown at the time was fucking shitting number ones.
AdamThat's that's inappropriate, is it?
AdamShit in number one.
AdamYeah, cuz you shit number two, but yeah, he's he's.
AdamYes, so he's pissing out number one at the time.
LeeI did do a little experiment last night though. so we had some family over for a a day, an all day Christmas thing.
Leeand when they left, Jennifer had a glass of wine or two and decided it was time for her to dance around and wanted me to DJ.
LeeSo I was putting music on for her to dance to, and I put that song on, yeah, and she literally just went, nah, fuck off.
LeeSo it clearly doesn't work for everyone.
LeeShe hates R&B.
LeeDecided so,
Leeyeah.
LeeShe was not having that at all.
ChrisMaybe.
Chrisshe needs to watch this a few more times.
LeeYeah,
Leewell, maybe.
AdamMy favorite thing about it is though is it did remind me that at the time me and Sarah used to refer to him as Bobby, you know it Brown.
AdamBecause he is in every fucking song he did.
AdamThere's also an magical video you can see of him on it's him performing live like on a TV show and he clearly drops his drugs halfway through his pocket.
AdamAnd Barry, I'm gonna say, very professionally doesn't miss beat, picks him up, but as part of his moves.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt's quite quite impressive, you know, so.
LeeNice.
LeeI'm glad to hear that it's all all right because for some reason, I had it in my mind, he might have been one of those people who's now been,
Leeyou know, would we would now say he's been canceled. But I wasn't sure if he'd done something historically.
LeeSo I was like, I was a little bit worried about saying, I think that's a really great song and I think he's really good for someone to then come along and say, you can't say that, I think he's done something terrible.
LeeCuz everybody's done something terrible.
LeeSo in my mind I was like, has he?
LeeI don't know.
ChrisProbably has.
LeeI mean, doing stuff,
Leemaybe.
LeeBut again, I don't know.
AdamHe was with Whitney, he was married to Whitney Houston. They did go on tele talking about. I can't remember which way around was it?
AdamWas it him picking her bum or him picking her bum?
AdamBasically one the struggles of drug addiction that they were sort of like a bit constipated and had to loose each other up or something with anyway.
Adambut they are both deceased now.
LeeReally?
AdamI think so.
AdamI mean Whitney Houston certainly is.
LeeOh, yeah, I'm aware of Whitney Houston, so.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut there we go. I I I feel I've lacked in my Bobby Brown knowledge there.
LeeOh, that's a shame.
AdamI will I will offer the, I will offer the other thing though to say that.
AdamAlthough the Ray Parker Jr. song, Run DMC, fuck that right up where they try and redo it.
AdamIt's just fucking, I love Run DMC, but please lads, no.
AdamThis is shit. It's just not not good.
Leeyou have prematurely killed him off.
LeeAccording to IMDb, he is still going at 55.
AdamOh, he's still going.
AdamOkay.
AdamOh, fair enough.
LeeSo, Bobby.
AdamBut there we go.
AdamSo that's that's Bobby, you know it Brown.
AdamThe the star of the show.
LeeYou think he could live this long with, all the fun he's been having.
AdamThere was, I was the other thing as well.
AdamYeah, apparently, yeah, because a lot of saying because the script changed so much, apparently Bill Murray basically said you we made a film under false pretenses because the script was changed so much by the time they finished doing it.
LeeYou've got I can imagine.
LeeDan Aykroyd being like that.
LeeLike I can imagine him being the person who's there the morning before shooting up at 4:00 in the morning just rewriting stuff with no.
AdamOh, absolutely.
AdamI think but then I think I think they all were like it, but it worked on the first one.
AdamAnd this one they were I think they were just Yeah, I think it was weirdly utterly unprepared.
AdamWhich is kind of sweet in a way that it's like a sequel, hey?
LeeYou what?
AdamAnd then obviously, you know, absolutely adorable because it's like it is the proof that the first film was,
Adamwe're making a film and it's got a full stop.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd then.
AdamAnd you can see why now it is like that sort of thing.
Adamwhere it's probably one of the reasons why now it is that thing of right, you contracted with 10 films. If you don't turn up for him, we get your liver.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know that sort of contract, you know.
LeeYeah, I mean.
AdamDo you like having knees?
AdamDo you like having knees in your legs?
AdamYou will appear in those six films in the next five years, mate.
LeeAs you say, they were all in their heyday at this point. So, yeah, I can see why scheduling would have been an absolute nightmare.
LeeCuz yeah, you I mean, you look through that cast list, yeah, it it's just they were all at their prime doing all their best stuff.
LeeSo it must have been awful trying to pull it out of the bag short notice and try and get everyone together.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut then sort of it's just, also, the weird thing is, do you remember the dark suits on the poster that they don't wear in the film?
AdamThey're in like little bits of it, but apparently there was they said, right, we've redesigned the costume.
AdamAnd then I would just went, nah, they're bit shit.
AdamWe'll stick to the ones we know, thanks.
LeeOh, no, I didn't remember that.
AdamBut yeah, if you look at all the posters, they're all in like dark overalls and you see them in them a couple of times.
AdamTed's actually got Playmobil figures of I think Egon and, Winston in the dark suits.
ChrisYeah, cuz you kind of see it. You think they're improving. Makes them look a bit more elite.
LeeYeah, you're right. On the cover, they're wearing, yeah, like black versions of the overalls.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut they, yeah.
AdamThey I think they just went like, no. But they're they're going to photoshoot and publicity stuff and things.
LeeIt can't have been that bad. I'd never noticed before.
LeeSo it can't be that bad. It must be all right.
LeeBut yeah, he's one of those things, when you point it out, he suddenly go, oh, yeah, look at that.
AdamAnd you get the influence of the real Ghostbusters because obviously Janine gets her makeover to look more like Janine in the real Ghostbusters.
AdamSo, and apparently after this, then Lewis was added to the real Ghostbusters.
LeeOh.
Adam
Adambut yeah, so that's that's Bobby, you know it Brown.
AdamThe the star of the show.
ChrisSo this looks like this has been mostly Dan Aykroyd's.
Chrislike the stuff that he's worked on, really, isn't it?
ChrisIt's Ghostbusters since.
AdamOh, yeah, there's a well, I mean, because he's, I mean, he, he actually, I mean, he's even in, is it Casper? He's in Casper the friendly ghost as right. At one point.
LeeNever seen it.
AdamNo, no.
LeeSurprisingly enough.
AdamI've read about it. I'm surprised that you've never seen it.
AdamBut there we go.
ChrisYeah, I sort of imagined he'd been in a lot of films around that time.
ChrisBut and he he had done more, but yeah, certainly since then it does seem like he's focused on Ghostbusters.
AdamI mean, I mean, in fairness.
Adamit's either that or the Blues Brothers and one of them's dead. So, I mean, he's, you know.
AdamHarold Ray only died relatively recently for them to still be doing Ghostbusters films.
AdamBut yeah.
LeeSee, now this is something I want to come back to. If I remember this correctly that you haven't seen the Blues Brothers, Chris.
ChrisI haven't, no.
ChrisWell, that's why I think even weirder because because like I'm, yeah.
ChrisI feel like I saw loads of films of Dan Aykroyd in, but maybe I just watched Ghostbusters over and over.
ChrisThat could have been the explanation, really.
ChrisI haven't seen Coneheads.
ChrisI haven't seen Blues Brothers.
LeeI haven't seen Coneheads, to be fair.
AdamI haven't seen Coneheads.
AdamThere we go.
AdamWhat professional this has been.
LeeBut I love Great Outdoors and,
Leehe was in Spy Like Us with Chevy Chase, I believe.
AdamTrading Places.
LeeYeah.
LeeOh, Trading Places. Oh, again,
Leehim and Eddie Murphy when they were at their peak, yeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd and that was obviously because Eddie Murphy was originally offered the Winston Roll. So that, you know, so they did work together eventually.
AdamBut yeah, I mean, obviously nothing but trouble. That's got to actually got to be mentioned, isn't it?
LeeAnd I not mentioned as it deserves.
AdamYeah. Twilight's another movie. Is it he's in loads of stuff.
Adambut he is probably at this point, he's the least active.
AdamAnd then right. And then obviously you get like Groundhog day, which is Harold Ramis directing and writing.
LeeSo.
LeeFantastic movie, absolutely brilliant.
LeeGroundhog day, obviously.
LeeRight, yes.
LeeSo, thanks very much for listening everybody. Happy New Year from everybody here.
ChrisHappy New Year.
Leeand we will be back in a Fortnight's time.
Leewe will be doing a what we've been watching because we're expecting, well, because we haven't done one in ages, we're going to have loads of stuff to talk about. But obviously, I'm guessing we're want to going to going to want to go quite in depth into this year's ghost story for Christmas.
Leeparticularly me, as it is one of my favorite stories. I have read it, I have read the Essex Witch Museum book that uses it as its kind of, setting, which was excellent. and I've listened to at least half a dozen radio adaptations of it. I love Man's size in Marble. So I'm very keen to see what Mark Gatiss is going to do with it.
AdamAnd I am keen to see it because I have done none of those. I have I did not I was not familiar with the story at all. So I am really looking forward to it on that basis, because I thought, because when when I mentioned it and you were like, it's amazing. I was like, right, I'm in.
AdamYou have you you have very good ghost story taste, sir. Thank you. It's a very simple story, but it's because it's quite simple, it gives it so much scope, which is why all the radio adaptations and stuff, so all the old radio plays in the 30s and 40s did it because it had so much scope for that very different.
LeeYeah.
LeeAbsolutely.
Leeyeah, and it's just a brilliant story. So, yeah,
LeeI cannot wait for that tomorrow, actually, as we're recording now. So, 24 hours to go. Woohoo.
LeeRight. Thanks very much for listening everybody, and happy New Year.
LeeGood night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night and happy New Year.
