- Friday the 13th pt VIII Jason Takes Manhattan

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:30 Lee And we are here as promised for our New York centric month, which might extend slightly, but we'll get into that.

0:39 Lee with 1989's Friday the 13th part 8, Jason takes Manhattan, aka Jason on the Isle of White Ferry, because there's not a lot of Manhattan in this.

0:52 Chris Right, I was, you've just taken, you've taken my opening gambit there.

0:57 Adam You've got it.

0:58 Chris That's it, I'm, I'm all done. There you go.

1:40 Lee Signing off.

1:43 Lee there will be spoilers, more than that.

1:46 Lee there will be swearing more than me just saying wank once.

1:49 Lee and

1:50 Chris Probably say it twice.

1:52 Lee I might do, you never know.

1:53 Chris Is that a statement or a command?

1:56 Adam The state of mind.

1:58 Chris Like a New York state of mind, it's more of a wank state of mind.

2:02 Lee state of my pants I'm worried about.

2:03 Chris So.

2:04 Adam Oh dear.

2:04 Lee Without further ado and all of that filth put aside.

2:08 Lee obviously this is one of those films that I always think I know really well and then every time I watch it, I think I've only seen this a couple of times because it's god awful.

2:18 Lee so before we get Chris's take on it, Adam, is this a film you've seen a lot or not so much?

2:25 Adam Yeah.

2:26 Adam I I think possibly, I'd certainly say, apart from probably Jason X and that was just by sheer dint of I bought Jason X on DVD and I was like, right, I've got to take this round everyone's house because you've got to see this.

2:40 Adam But it's probably the Friday the 13th I've seen the most.

3:24 Chris Oh.

3:25 Adam Other than Jason X, because I know I've seen the first one and I'm sure I've seen bits of other ones. I'm not sure if I think I've seen like mostly the later stuff.

3:38 Lee Yeah.

3:39 Adam But this one always seem to be this one always seem to be the one that'd actually stick on the telly.

3:45 Lee Yeah.

3:46 Adam And yeah, it's.

3:49 Chris Now why would that be?

3:52 Adam Well, I weirdly enough, I found out it's actually the last one that's called Friday the 13th.

3:58 Chris Oh.

3:59 Lee Yeah.

4:00 Adam Because they apparently they sold the character but not the rights to the title.

4:04 Chris Not to the name, yeah.

4:05 Lee Oh.

4:06 Adam Which is why it's, that's why it's what, what's number nine, it's Jason, Jason goes to hell.

4:13 Lee Yeah.

4:14 Adam And then Jason X, and then Freddy versus Jason. So Jason as a character and concept had been sold, but they retained the rights to the fucking title.

5:08 Lee Oh, but don't worry, Chris, at least we didn't make you sit through Jason goes to hell because that is an absolute steaming pile of todd, so it could have been worse.

5:17 Adam It's not good.

5:18 Lee But but on that note, Chris, what did you make on your first viewing, I'm assuming of Jason takes Manhattan?

5:25 Chris Well, you know, it's nice. It's it's good to get another experience. with some added toxic waste in this one.

5:35 Chris I don't suppose that's happened in any of the others, has it? Or is that a common end for him?

5:40 Lee I can't think of any others.

5:42 Adam I yeah, because it's I don't yeah, because usually it's electricity or telekinesis or.

5:48 Chris Well. So there was at least one electricity in this one.

5:51 Adam Yes. Yeah, you had the sort of the anchor anchor cable mishap. That.

5:57 Chris And the chain at the end, he gets.

6:00 Adam He gets of course, yeah.

6:01 Chris Towards the end, and then.

6:02 Chris Yeah, it's like, so I'm thinking from what I've learned so far that one of the main aims of the entire series or franchise is to have the most unusual unique ways to kill people.

7:04 Lee Yes.

7:04 Adam Oh, absolutely.

7:05 Chris That that is like because.

7:06 Adam That's that's the slasher format, is that's how slashers make themselves.

7:10 Chris Now, that really hit home to me when it was the sauna stone. And I was like, yeah, I don't suppose that's ever happened in another film.

7:23 Chris And there's probably quite a few of those, but really it was at that point. I was like, yeah, no, this is really showing some I'd call it originality.

7:32 Adam Yeah, that's that's that's what certainly like like Nightmare on Elm Street was a slightly different thing with that because obviously you've got such a layer of unreality because you've got dreams. So they really go to fucking town and get.

8:24 Chris Yeah. And that sort of Freddy becoming other things as well. Yeah.

8:31 Adam Yeah. Whereas, whereas with this it was it's always been very much the sort of like, right, what interesting ways can Jason wipe out this group of that we don't care about?

8:43 Chris I imagine mostly combined with his hand going through people's parts of their body or knocking their head off, which again that happens. I think that did happen in another one as well, actually.

8:53 Adam I see. Well, because it's watching it this this time, actually watching.

8:59 Chris Wait, and then how many? Oh, yeah. So what, how many times have you seen it? What was this?

9:04 Adam Oh, I don't know. This is probably, I don't know, third or fourth time. It's been on telly and I've watched it those couple of times or whatever like that. So I think it's, you know, it's third or fourth.

9:15 Chris If if if this came on TV, it would be like, yeah, this is entertaining, you know.

9:20 Adam Yeah.

9:20 Adam Great.

9:21 Adam Oh, absolutely. That's what it was. And I would argue it's exactly it's like a sort of greatest hits that you don't get from other Jason films. Or other Friday the 13th films, because obviously you don't, you don't get Jason in the first one. You don't get the hockey mask till the third one.

10:27 Chris

10:28 Adam So all of these things are in place and this literally is like opens up. Someone tells the campfire story of Jason Voorhees. He comes back. He's killed two people within 10 minutes.

10:40 Chris Yeah, yeah.

10:41 Adam You know, this is exactly what you want. You don't want by this point, you don't want a slow build.

10:45 Chris

10:46 Adam You don't want tension. It's like, no, I want to see Jason because I know I know what the part A.

10:51 Chris

10:52 Adam I know what the format is. Don't hide him at this point.

10:54 Chris We've been there a few times. Yeah.

10:56 Lee I I did like that they slightly changed the format by by killing my favorite character in it within the first 10 minutes, which is Suzy the rocker chick. Who A has one of the best haircuts in the entire franchise. Yeah. And he's just a really cool interesting character and it's like, oh yeah, no, let's kill her off and then we've just got all of the boring to work our way through for the rest of the journey.

12:03 Adam It's, well, I mean, that that said, at that moment, it was that when that's when I made the note that you can tell it's 1989 because and apart from Suzy, you can tell it's Suzy the rocker or is that JJ?

12:19 Lee Oh, no, sorry, you're right, yeah, JJ, sorry, yeah.

12:22 Adam but yeah, apart from JJ, who is dressed like she's she's dressed like John Jet.

12:28 Chris And that takes some passion to take a portable amp and back in track and guitar onto the ship.

12:35 Adam Yeah.

12:36 Lee Someone took a dog on the school holiday. I mean what?

12:39 Adam That's true. But that but basically yeah, it was at that point that I wrote down the music in the 80s, but the fashion are very much early 90s. So it goes to prove that like that it's just that it's just that transition period, yeah.

13:21 Chris Transition period, yeah.

13:22 Adam Yeah. Also and also you get Harbinger, which is a Friday the 13th thing. Yes. And you get a flashback.

13:42 Adam You get like the flashback sequence where it turns out that well, her her foster father is a prick. I mean, we knew that anyway, but it's nice to have it reinforced, you know, just to just to let you know.

13:57 Lee And again, it's the Harbinger. You always just think, right, so they've turned up. He immediately says you're all going to die and then they die. And before this film, nobody ever goes, well it's clearly him. He turned up and said we're all going to die and then we all started dying. Why does nobody ever check him out? Why is nobody looking at his hard drive? It's the first time anyone's ever brought it up.

14:16 Adam Yeah, it does. It's it's the actual most sensible version of, you know, the of the. We know that he's wrong, but in that situation, surely he is like that's the most coherent idea of what is going on.

15:13 Adam That deck hand is a guy called Alex Deacon and he is in loads of X-Files.

15:22 Lee Oh, is he?

15:23 Adam And he's in he was in Millennium as well, and he played Dr. Ethan Fabricant in Millennium. So that's immediately what I call him and that's very obscure. I'll admit that.

15:33 Adam That's not it's not one that you probably get shouted at in the street.

15:37 Adam but because because of the way this is filmed, it's mostly filmed in Vancouver. and so there's a lot of like actors who are X-Files because they're basically all the actors in that area that you hire. So obviously the X-Files was all filmed in Vancouver and stuff like that.

15:56 Adam So.

15:58 Adam A lot of these actors are crossing over.

16:40 Chris And that explains why there's not much Manhattan in it.

16:43 Chris That explains why there's not much Manhattan in it.

16:46 Adam Well, no. Of course not.

16:48 Chris I think not.

16:49 Adam But.

16:49 Chris I actually I I did. There was, there was more than I was, I was starting to think, are we going to be how long we going to be on the ship for?

16:53 Adam Yeah.

16:55 Adam Well, because even the apparently like the director said that he he now refers to it as Jason goes to is like Jason on his way to Manhattan.

17:04 Chris Travels. Yeah.

17:05 Adam Yeah, Jason travels to Manhattan, it's not Jason takes Manhattan.

17:08 Adam But I I did I did jot it down. It's an hour and three minutes before they get to New York with 36 minutes of the film left. And then it's actually an hour and 25 minutes before you actually see actual proper New York, which is the bit in time square. But everything else is Vancouver.

17:29 Lee And then again, I did love that, like I loved that, or I'll say I loved it. That grimy 80s New York back when it was a den of, you know, I think it was high prostitution, drug dealing. They get off the boat. They haven't even made it off the dock and they've been mugged and they've taken her to use her as a sex slave. They had 100 yards of the fucking key side.

18:30 Chris That is. I mean, they are not messing around.

18:34 Lee That is New York.

18:36 Adam But that's the thing. I I do love the fact that it is it's very it's like it's like it's Gotham New York.

18:43 Adam It's literally the walls are dripping. They apparently slush, I'm not saying that I'm not saying New York wouldn't do it. Or wouldn't have done it back in the day, but apparently they slosh through like acidic toxic waste through a public sewer every night.

19:06 Adam Regular as clockwork.

19:08 Lee I did love that line as well when he she runs into the diner and says, there's a maniac trying to kill me and the woman behind the counter just goes, welcome to New York.

19:18 Adam Yeah. She is and the in the big budget Hollywood remake of it, that's Natasha Leone's role. You know that.

20:04 Lee Oh, yeah, yeah.

20:05 Adam She would have got that that is that's apparently that's the director's sister.

20:09 Chris

20:10 Adam And that's her only acting role and the big guy.

20:12 Lee He was good.

20:13 Adam The big guy who gets who like the guy in the cafe who comes out and then Jason just throws him into a mirror. That guy's the stunt coordinator and he plays Jason in Freddy versus Jason.

20:26 Lee Oh, really?

20:27 Adam Yeah.

20:28 Adam Because obviously this is this is Kane Hodder's last time. No, no, it can't be. No, it's Jason X is the last time he played him.

20:36 Adam It's obviously.

20:37 Lee Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah.

20:38 Adam But yeah, Freddy versus Jake. Sorry, I'm I'm thinking that no, but there's two films and then there's Freddy versus Jason and in that one, it's that guy playing him.

20:46 Adam What's his name? Cuz he's he did stunt on loads of stuff.

20:51 Lee And of course, Kane Hodder is in Jason goes to hell, but only as a security guard, which I like that they got him in and you actually get to see his face for me.

21:41 Adam Oh, right.

21:43 Adam But it's yeah, so that guy basically is got you know, got beaten up by Kane Hodder and then got the job.

21:53 Adam But apparently that was that was again that was again Vancouver filming. They were like, oh, well, Kane Hodder is not going to be that bothered about like, so they were going to have this other guy playing. And then Kane Hodder was like, what the fuck? No, I'm playing fucking Jason. Get fucked.

22:10 Lee He does, like he just brings so much presence to this to the role.

22:14 Adam Oh, absolutely, yeah.

22:16 Lee For someone who can't speak and you can't see his face. His acting is just, I mean he's a big lump. He's just the right size and shape to be like still able to move and run around, but.

22:30 Chris Like bigger and intimidating size.

22:33 Chris I mean, you do appreciate that that with the in the boxing, the guy who's trying to box him still, and it's like he's actually to be fair, he gave it a good good effort. Yeah, but why keep punching him bare knuckled in a fucking hockey mask. cuz he was just had to prove himself. I mean, he clearly had one too many fights and had way too much hubris and he was like, yeah, I'm going to take you on as well. But you like you suddenly look very small compared to this guy.

23:23 Lee I did love that line though when they're all picking up the weapons and he's laid them all out and they're going, what are you going to take? He says, I'm just going to take these fists and I was like, oh, you idiot. He went and this gun. I was like, yes. There we go.

23:55 Adam Cuz at that point you are just thinking, oh no, here we go, fucking boy. And he's like, no, no, well done mate.

24:01 Lee Yeah.

24:03 Adam Cuz also at that point, he's like he he decides like I'll I'll yeah, what I'll do is is I'll I'll deck him I'll deck the prick one punch. I punched him in the mask. I have nearly drowned, been rowing for days. And, you know, a lot of shit's happened and you think you're probably not you're not at your fighting peak, are you?

25:06 Lee No, not really.

25:07 Lee And again, it's another thing as a hockey fan, and I know Chris is as well. It still amazes me that until pretty much the 80s, that was a goalie's mask. So you had effectively, I've got one right here in my hand because I use it to weigh my notepad down while I'm reading. This is an official NHL ice hockey puck. I can tell you it's pretty heavy. So frozen solid and they move at 100 miles an hour. Protecting yourself with that flimsy piece of plastic over your face is a fool's errand. You are asking for broken cheekbones at least once a season.

25:44 Adam I assume I assume they were pretty tough. That was why it was the full face covering.

25:48 Lee Yeah, but again, like it'd be still and I know it's got some padding behind it, but it's still a solid piece of.

25:54 Chris Yeah, I suppose it's actually it's on your face. It doesn't give you any crumple zones.

25:59 Lee someone clumping you with a sledge hammer and you're wearing a thin piece of plastic with some foaming on the back, it's still going to fuck you up royal. Goes to show how hard I.

26:48 Chris You may not die, but you may wish you had.

26:53 Lee It's not going to be a good night. Even if you win the game, you're still going to spend it in A&E feeling pretty sorry for yourself.

27:01 Adam So so so Lee, you've you've you are our New York correspondent. How do you feel this how do you feel this lives up to New York? Did you actually go to Times Square?

27:11 Lee I stayed in Times Square.

27:13 Lee My there you go. hotel was probably less than 100 yards from Times Square.

27:19 Chris Oh, cool.

27:20 Lee For anyone listening who knows it, I stayed at the Paramount, which has just recently been refurbished.

27:24 Lee I had a very nice time. can highly recommend.

27:28 Adam Oh, I thought you meant you'd been recently refurbished after you'd left.

27:31 Lee Yeah.

27:33 Adam Thought you'd keep me in that shit and just fucking tore the place up.

27:37 Lee I mean, it's it's very Times Square is just for anyone who hasn't been, it's just like Piccadilly Circus. It's just Like you kind of get there and you look at it and you go, wow, look at it. And then you're like, it's just loads of adverts. You're being advertised to and you've all been suckered into it, been told it's the coolest place on earth and it's just the biggest advert scam ever.

28:41 Adam I think there's definitely something there, isn't it?

28:43 Lee We got there and wondered around for an hour at which point, so I took my mother because she's always wanted to go and she needed someone to go with her, so I agreed to go with her. yeah, we wondered around for an hour and when we got back to the hotel, she said to me, nobody has spoken to me in an American accent since we've been here. I haven't heard one anywhere in Times Square because like anywhere in London, it's just.

29:08 Chris Yeah.

29:09 Adam Of course.

29:09 Lee But yeah, it's all very nice and it all feels very safe except there was a guy between Times Square and our hotel, a homeless gentleman who was wandering around quite a lot and spent some of that time wandering around with an iron bar hanging out the bottom of his trench coat. But other than that.

30:04 Chris Oh.

30:05 Lee it was as safe as houses really.

30:08 Adam I mean, I mean, in fairness, that's probably as much for his protection as anything else.

30:13 Adam But

30:14 Lee I don't know, he was standing on his own and staring out the security guard from the Death Becomes Her Broadway show, so I don't think he was necessarily in any danger, unless he was talking getting into the show. And he had no trousers on.

30:27 Adam Speaking of which, did you spot the flasher?

30:30 Lee No.

30:31 Adam When there's a bit, I I I took I took a picture, so I'll send it to you, but there's a bit.

30:35 Lee Oh, yes, I need.

30:36 Adam Well, when they come up the stairs and this is the thing, I'm assuming because basically what happened was is they were like, right, we're going to film this in New York and you know, we'll do all the sites and we'll do Madison. Cuz like that the boxing match was meant to be in Madison Square Garden, rather than on a rooftop.

30:56 Adam Although, on a rooftop seems a lot more logical than the ridiculousness of Jason's in fucking How would you get him in there for a start? but yeah. Suppose that's why it was abandoned.

31:53 Adam So yeah, but they were yeah, so they're going to do Brooklyn Bridge, Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building and all the sites. And then the producers were like, right, we haven't got the budget for that. and presumably weren't going to pay for permits for filming as well. but basically we're just sort of like, okay, so the rest of it will film in Vancouver and you get like a day that night in Times Square or whatever it is.

32:20 Adam But as they're coming out of the subway into Times Square, there's people walking past. One of whom is a guy in a Mac, socks, shoes, no trousers.

32:32 Adam Now, I don't know if he's an extra who's in there to represent a flasher or he was just a flasher.

32:35 Chris Yeah.

32:36 Chris Or just got caught.

33:20 Lee I think that he happened to be going past while they were filming.

33:23 Adam Cuz I'm assuming they didn't block off and get thousands of extras in. I think they stood in Times Square with a camera and that was about it.

33:33 Adam You know.

33:34 Lee Like Piccadilly Circus, it's one of those places where you could just rock up and put a camera and there's so many people, half the people there would wouldn't even notice you. Like they're all just going around their own going about their own shit and staring up into the sky. They're probably not paying any. So yeah, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure this was just 10 o'clock on a Friday night or whatever and they just turned up and shot and just.

33:55 Adam Yeah.

33:56 Lee Yeah, they are just the type of people that you find there.

34:02 Adam Yeah. And one of the and one of those people was clearly a flasher.

34:06 Adam I mean, he looks he's he's he looks proper. I might be doing the man a disservice, but if he's out with no trousers on, I might not be doing him a disservice.

34:15 Lee Yeah.

34:17 Adam But yeah, so but here's the best bit is when because the guy who directed this Rob Hedden did some of the Friday the 13th series, which is how he got the gig to do this. And they when they offered it to him, he was like they were like, what do you want to do with it? And he was like, well, the one thing I want to do is take Jason out of Crystal Lake. I want to go to a different location. I want to go somewhere else.

35:11 Adam And it was the fucking producers who said, what about New York? So he wrote a script to go around New York. And then they went, oh, we're not going to be able to film that. That's New York.

35:31 Lee Yeah.

35:32 Adam And so the poor fucker had to do most of it on the boat. So.

35:38 Lee That sounds about right.

35:40 Lee But yeah, I I do love that. I again, it's it's that the bit that always stands out for me is the bit with the four punks. where they're all sitting there and he walks past and kicks over the stereo.

35:51 Lee And then doesn't even attack them. Just lifts up the mask and they'll go, all right, all right, and just fuck off.

35:57 Adam But that for me, that is literally what this film is. There's two things this film is. One is someone get a person getting a guitar in the face in the bowels of a ship and the bit where he kicks over the fucking ghetto blaster. That's what it is in my head.

36:57 Adam But I was watching it. I did think this is kind of like what I assumed when I was little or younger or whatever like that. Or certainly before I was 18, this is what I assumed an 18 certificate film was. in every like the music, the level of gore, the level of sort of murder and everything else like that. I think that's where I was in my head that that was like, yes, that's what an 18 film's like, isn't it?

37:25 Adam I've only seen Dracula twice. I certainly didn't swallow it.

37:32 Lee Well, I I think for me, I think the first Friday film I saw was what was the next chapter? Was it? The one that a new beginning? New begin. Oh, possibly. Chris's in your ears. It's the one that isn't Jason that takes place at the kids camp.

38:35 Adam Oh, okay.

38:35 Adam Yeah, I think that's I think that's a new beginning.

38:37 Lee Yeah.

38:38 Adam I can't remember to be honest.

38:39 Lee It probably is.

38:40 Lee But a a friend of mine at school had bought it ex rental from a shop. yeah, and literally watched it to death within about three months. and then gave it to me, yeah, and I watched it several and that was one of that was the first time I'd seen a Friday the 13th. yeah, and it wasn't even Jason, but as you say, it was interesting kills, it was the hockey mask, it was tons of unnecessary boobs and it was very 80s, it was everything I expected it the franchise to be.

39:13 Adam Yeah.

39:14 Lee Yeah.

39:14 Lee So that was nice to see how this I did like the nod to camera in this as well, not going like full on sort of self-referential like Elm Street so much. But yeah, just the shot where it's got the hockey night thing up with the hockey mask and he just turns and looks straight down the barrel of the camera and then walks away.

40:14 Adam Yeah.

40:15 Adam Cuz that's the thing is I'll give them their due. They shoot Jason in Times Square and it's fucking iconic.

40:22 Chris

40:23 Adam You know, that in a way feels like pay off because it's like, right, there we have got Jason in New York. We know it's mostly because mostly this is Jason at sea.

40:33 Lee Yeah.

40:34 Adam So really.

40:36 Adam Also, also, I love the fact and again, it's the budget and everything. I love the fact that that fucking rusty old tub of a boat that looks like Indiana Jones would get a lift home in it. is a cruise ship according to the script and what they've put on there. Fuck a sauna, shuffle board, play pigeon shooting, roller disco, thank you, and just yeah.

41:48 Lee No, no railing around a part of the upper deck where they just push your girl off.

41:54 Lee Yeah. All the cruise ships I've been on are like that.

41:57 Adam Yeah.

41:58 Adam It's just Yeah, just.

42:00 Adam But the the weirdest thing was is watching it with Claire and it's two things that I had never that I've never questioned. And again, I don't like I say, I don't really know, I don't consider I know the Friday franchise that well. I've seen some of them not in order. I've never explored it properly. But I definitely google this because Claire said, so is this on Friday the 13th? And it was like, well, no, this is clearly over a series of nights. And yeah, it is just a title.

42:31 Lee I don't think any of them have ever taken place on Friday the 13th.

42:34 Adam I I had a look and the ones that definitely take place on the Friday the 13th are the first one and the sixth one where they definitely mention it. And in this one they do say, oh the the students of Crystal Lake are graduating on the 13th. So whether that's a Friday or not is left to question, but yeah.

43:33 Adam And it hadn't even occurred to me. It's like, oh yeah, because you know, Halloween happens at Halloween. Yeah. And so on and so forth. But yeah, Friday the 13th. And it was weird because I was looking online and there were people going, oh yeah, I've never thought of that. And then there were other people going, oh, I assumed it was always meant to be Friday like he only came back for a day.

43:57 Lee Yeah.

43:57 Adam You know, like some sort of spirit or whatever like that.

44:00 Adam And it's just, yeah.

44:01 Lee Yeah, they just saddled with a title from the very first episode and the first, you know, part of the franchise which was supposed to be a one-off and then you're stuck with it. I suppose. like what can you you can't change the title from that point on. Well, I mean, you can when you've made eight films before it, apparently.

45:00 Adam Oh, apparently, you can't you can't sell the title. You can sell the character like the the actual focus of the franchise, but you can't sell the title.

45:08 Adam But the other thing as well that Claire said is it's it's weird because Jason is so inconsistent where it's like, oh, he's going to sneak around. And then other times, he's smashing through the doors like fucking Mr. T.

45:22 Chris I did think when he entered the train, it's like that's that's one of those where when he's killing the police, you're like, no, this has gone this is past. There's no help. Like he just doesn't care. He's on this brightly lit train with tons of people and it just doesn't matter.

45:37 Lee And that's the thing. quite right. Other times he's sneaking in and Yeah. Yeah, like secret agent Squirrel when you're like, why are all the other men? Fucking hell.

45:46 Adam Cuz clearly, he's fucking invulnerable, so he could just get on the boat and wipe them out in about 20 minutes.

45:53 Adam But we get a couple of guys.

45:54 Lee Yeah.

45:56 Adam You know. Also, what a bunch of fucking I mean, they're it's always the way they're a bunch of pricks that you don't give a shit about that's half the point. And, you know, cuz cuz that was the that was the thing that I was enjoying watching Claire. She's like, I'll totally on Jason's side. And it's like, yeah, you are. That's what that's certainly Friday the 13th. That's always the purpose. And Nightmare on Elm Street as it goes later, it's that's the point. You just.

47:01 Lee It's part of the setup, isn't it? It's like you know that you're not here to follow the victims, you're here to follow the killer. So you have to feel justified in them dying. So they all have to be assholes. Otherwise, you don't enjoy it. So it has to be justified. So they all have to be the biggest dickheads you can imagine. and Friday goes over and above always.

47:26 Adam Yeah, they do they they they know how to sell it.

47:29 Adam I mean, let's face it. Let's face it. They had Kevin Bacon at his most obnoxious. So you know, they they knew that he they didn't know that he was going to mature into an avuncular star of stage and screen. They were just like, look at this prick. So get him in now. Actually, they were meant to have who was it? The Elizabeth Berkeley, DD Fifer and Pamela Anderson auditioned for Renny.

48:35 Lee Wow.

48:37 Adam And yeah, I mean Elizabeth Berkeley, maybe, I could sort of see in that sort of demure role as it were, but yeah.

48:47 Adam Very but yeah, not I'm not sure if Pamela Anderson.

48:51 Lee No, I can't see that.

48:52 Lee But speaking of casting, it's got to be said, Peter Mark Richman, who played the the the teacher in it. He's just so good.

49:01 Lee And again for me growing up in the 80s, I mean, I know him from

49:06 Chris Yeah, he's been in, I've definitely seen him in.

49:08 Lee Just had a quick Google on IMDB, quick Google, I've been on IMDB. yeah, he was in Murder She Wrote, TJ Hooker, Hardcastle and McCornick, Night Rider, the Love Boat. the Incredible Hulk, Heart to Heart, Charlie's Angels, he's literally in fucking everything that came out in the 80s. Everything.

50:14 Adam TJ Hooker, Raw Hide, Beverly Hills 90210. He was in Dynasty, which I think is where I'm remembering from cuz me mum used to watch Dynasty all the time. Actually dad used to watch fucking Dynasty all the time. I think me mum was not bothered.

50:30 Adam But yeah, he was and he was in the he was in Battlestar Galactica 1980, the one where they went to Earth. And he's in Naked Gun two and a half.

50:40 Chris Oh.

50:41 Adam he's also I didn't know this, he's also the voice of the Phantom in Defenders of the Earth.

50:46 Adam And but yeah, he is just one of those guys who's just in everything and he's perfect in this role.

50:53 Adam He does also take quite some time to pull that girl off him before he decided he was wrong.

50:58 Lee I had the same reaction. Like as soon as she started taking it, he should have gone, no, no, no. Don't let her pounce on top of you and hits her back for a little bit and then go, I'm sure he was just trying to figure out if it really was her biology assignment and he's just a bit confused. That's all it was. Well, can I just say Chris, you're a generous man, but I don't think you should be on a jury anytime. No, maybe not. I think he was perfectly innocent.

51:33 Adam I'm sure he was just trying to figure out if it really was her biology assignment and he's just a bit confused. That's all it was. Well, can I just say Chris, you're a generous man, but I don't think you should be on a jury anytime. No, maybe not. I think he was perfectly innocent.

51:57 Lee And also you got Kelly who's in there.

52:01 Lee Like one of her first roles and obviously she's like in she was like Death Strike in the X-Men films and Scorpion King and loads of TV stuff and things like that.

52:10 Adam But

52:12 Adam The

52:12 Adam I also found it a Bowie fact about Friday the 13th. This was called Ashes to Ashes as a working title.

52:26 Adam And it turns out that what they used to do because Friday the 13th like a title that would get like union interest and stuff like that and they could get busted for not having a union crew and they could have reporters crawling all over it. You know, they use working title so you don't know it's like one of the Star Wars was blue milk or whatever. And yeah. Really? Yeah. But this so this was called Ashes to Ashes. but they regularly used Bowie songs as working titles.

53:41 Adam So part three was called Crystal Japan. which was an instrumental that was that he made during scary monsters and Super Creeps.

53:51 Adam Part five was called repetition, both as a Bowie song and also a piss take on the fact we've done five of these films.

53:58 Adam And part six was called Aladdin Sane.

54:01 Adam So yeah, they but apparently by the time they made this, that thing was known in the industry. So they got loads of people going, so it Ashes to Ashes is this a new Friday the 13th film and they came going, no, no, it's not Friday the 13th. They don't know what you're talking about.

54:16 Adam And then they changed the names to burial at sea, terror in Time Square and the mystery of sour gum lake.

55:05 Lee So then the last one's a bit random, but yeah, the others you can kind of.

55:08 Adam I can I can I could see. I could see.

55:11 Adam What one other thing I had to say is that so the dog and this is why I love the internet. So Ace who played Toby the dog.

55:22 Adam Do you know his IMDB trivia says, go on, is a dog.

55:28 Lee Yeah.

55:31 Lee I'm glad they've pointed that out because.

55:33 Adam I say I might.

55:34 Adam So I might.

55:35 Adam He was also in some some series called the Odyssey, but that's the only two roles that he's had.

55:39 Lee Oh, he was very good. He was a good boy.

55:42 Adam Yeah, he was a good boy.

55:44 Adam Was also was Jason under their rowing boat like Bob. Like, you know, like Max and Cape fear was he just clinging on and then then had to appear.

55:56 Adam But

55:57 Adam Yeah, it's it's a it's an entertaining film. It is. But yeah. As they all are. But I think weirdly enough, if you need in a weird way, if you needed to go to someone right, here's the here's the example of Friday the 13th. I think that this is a very good contender.

56:42 Chris It is. But yeah.

56:44 Adam Because there's no pissing about. You just get on with it and you get a Friday the 13th movie from start to finish, you know, everything's in place, the right actor's playing Jason. He's wearing the hockey mask. He is the villain, but he's back from the dead and so on and so forth and it's Yeah.

57:18 Lee It does tick all those boxes. But for me, Friday is one of those things that I put on late at night. Is that I'm going to be asleep in half an hour. I'm not going to get all the way through a film. I'll chuck a Friday on maybe.

57:30 Chris And you don't really need to.

57:31 Lee This one takes, although it does get going pretty quickly, it still feels slow going. So I think this would send me off to sleep much quicker than yeah, maybe four or five or six would do. So yeah, I say that's why this is the one that I've seen possibly one of the least because although the killings are pretty quick, the bits in between are a bit of a slog, whereas with the others, it doesn't have that same feel. I suppose because it's a it's a captive audience. They're on a boat. You can't have loads of people and people coming in and out because they're on a boat.

58:25 Lee Yeah. You can only kill so quickly. But also weirdly enough, it's that sort of transition across three locations. So you have the Crystal Lake at the start, then the boat for the majority of it and then it's chasing him through New York. And the question beggers, surely Jason gets to New York and just gets tied up with killing every fucker he sees because that is his that's his thing.

58:51 Chris

58:51 Lee Why would he be specifically chasing them when it's like, I I can now, yeah. Yeah. He can choose. Yeah, he can use through the fucking through the subway. I know. I with that. I was like, he's surrounded by teenagers. Why is he so fixed in the middle of New York on finding this one girl?

59:14 Adam I can now, yeah.

59:16 Adam Yeah, he can choose through the fucking through the subway.

59:19 Adam I know. I with that. I was like, he's surrounded by teenagers. Why is he so fixed in the middle of New York on finding this one girl? If your if your problem is teenagers, drugs and casual sex and you've still got to chase the fucking hometown people across New York, you are not aware of your surroundings, sir.

1:00:22 Lee He's literally the perfect place for him. He could stand in the middle of Time Square and swing a machete and he hit everybody he wants to.

1:00:27 Lee Yeah. He's just fixated on this one girl.

1:00:35 Lee Who I've got to say, comes around from that heroin pretty rapid. I mean, I've not done heroin, but she's appears to be ostensibly taking it and then she's a little bit blurry like she's had a couple of shots of Sambuca and then she's back on her game within two minutes.

1:00:53 Adam I wonder how much they put in her though cuz right at the start of that, he does like the squirt test and it's like, you're a junky, mate. There's no way you'd fucking waste that much. I thought. And why would you waste it on someone who you're just going to use as a sex slave for the evening? I was like, if they're that, you know, strapped for like you wouldn't just be chucking it away on someone willy nilly, but I mean, I I don't know. I'm I'm I'm not one of those.

1:01:41 Chris You're not.

1:01:42 Adam Okay.

1:01:42 Adam I'm not.

1:01:56 Lee Clearly not. I've missed my calling. Right.

1:01:57 Adam You're clearly not a cliche New York gang banger from the 80s, Lee.

1:02:04 Lee So thanks very much for listening everybody.

1:02:09 Lee Jason takes Manhattan. If you've not seen it, it's definitely worth seeing once.

1:02:18 Lee It it's it is a fun time.

1:02:20 Lee it's got some great shit in it. You you can't go wrong really.

1:02:23 Adam You can take the piss out of it.

1:02:24 Adam Marvelously.

1:02:25 Adam But still be with it. I think that's the case.

1:02:28 Chris Definitely a party background one, no problem.

1:02:31 Lee Absolutely.

1:02:31 Adam Not, it's not as weird as that other Friday.

1:02:33 Adam You know, the one with Ice Cube and Chris Tucker.

1:02:34 Adam Jason got in that one.

1:02:37 Lee I even watched the two sequels. He's not in them either.

1:02:39 Lee I've been robbed.

1:03:20 Adam

1:03:22 Lee But yes, so we'll be back in a fortnight's time. We're going to be continuing our New York centric season with Ghostbusters.

1:03:29 Adam Hey. Who are you going to call?

1:03:31 Chris Hey.

1:03:32 Lee What is more New York than Ghostbusters?

1:03:35 Chris Who are you going to call?

1:03:36 Lee We will answer that in a fortnight's time.

1:03:39 Lee Thanks very much for listening.

1:03:40 Lee Good night.

1:03:41 Chris Good night.

1:03:42 Adam Good night.

1:03:44 Chris I haven't seen Ghostbusters for probably 20, 20 years.

1:03:48 Lee I thought you were about to say, I have not seen Ghostbusters.