Society
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It’s allegory time with none-more-80s what-the-fuck-fest; Brian Yuzna’s “Society”. A documentary about the upper-echelons of the Beverly Hills gentry, which reveals the true face (and fist, and entrails, and pulsing wobbly bits) of the rich. And we learn what was acceptable in the 80s: perving over your own sister; being a star basketball player at the height of 5’ 7”; and bad hair (both on the head and in the oesophagus). Along the way we discuss “Censor”, “Killer Klowns From Outer Space”, League of Legends-based animated series “Arcane” and “The Fog”. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES - THIS EPISODE WAS RECORDED REMOTELY, DURING A PARTICULARLY GLOOPY VIRTUAL SHUNT.
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Lee Good evening, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Lee Hey, and we are here with all of the spoils and all of the swears. So, get ready, bitches.
Lee Because we're going to upset somebody.
Lee Especially if you haven't seen society.
Lee Huh?
Adam Rosebud is a sled.
Lee Oh,
Lee So we're here this evening to cover 1989's Society.
Chris Wooh.
Adam Yeah.
Lee but before we get into that possibly treacherous territory, Chris.
Lee What other random crazy shit have you been watching this week now?
Chris I've been watching something that I think is absolutely awesome, unbelievable, and it has a little bit of horror. I think it's it's so it's aimed at 12 plus, so the horror isn't serious, but you can see if it was 18, it would all be there. So, we're watching,
Chris I've.
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Adam
Chris The the League of Legends adaptation, animation.
Chris Fantastic animation, very similar to I would say Love Death and Robots.
Lee Oh, cool.
Chris something very modern looking about it.
Chris and yeah, and I think they've done a great job of of fleshing out the story to League of Legends, which doesn't really have a main story to it exactly. It's got lots of elements.
Adam So, what is League of Legends?
Chris so it's a a MOBA, massive online battle arena.
Chris Five V five players, you start in one corner, the other start in the other corner, and you've got to try and get to their Nexus, they've got to try and get to your Nexus.
Adam Oh, right. So, basically, originally a computer computer game or like online game, yeah.
Chris Yeah, and it's become massive in the you know, the tournament world, e-sports, particularly in South Korea. but yeah, pretty big worldwide.
Chris But it's it's like it's a great game, it's very strategic, you got five different types of champions.
Chris And you've all got to work together and communicate to win.
Chris So, it's it's a really good game.
Chris I guess, you know, it's like modern chess kind of thing.
Chris but yeah, so I really it's it's probably in my top three games of all time.
Lee Oh, go.
Chris and it's one of those things where it's like, oh, you hear they're going to make a cartoon from it.
Chris Is it going to be terrible, but I think they've done I'd say arguably, it's between this and Castlevania.
Chris The two has done the best adaptation ever, adaptation of a game.
Chris It's not it's not your Doom sort of situation here.
Chris This this is like.
Chris And it might I was trying to work out like why have they done such a good job of it.
Chris And there's only been three episodes so far.
Chris I think it's it's probably because there isn't a full story, so they've now been able to have some amount of freedom in how they tell it.
Chris but yeah, I think they've done a a great job of of sort of filling in the full back story.
Chris While still keeping it clearly, like they've managed to get in sort of the one liners from the game as well.
Chris And it still seems like it's not too jarring, you know, it's like it's it's not awkward.
Adam Do you think for someone who's never played the game?
Chris It's not.
Chris Well, that's it, that's the other thing that I think they've done well.
Chris So Shirley watched it with me.
Chris and she was able to follow it all and she was asking questions, but they I couldn't answer them because it hadn't been it was sort of new stuff that they'd added in.
Chris So, yeah, there's enough there for someone who's never played the game, while still being loads there for someone who has.
Chris So, it's yeah, I think they've done a really good job of it so far.
Lee Cool.
Chris and there's definitely a whole eerie, creepy side to it as well, because it's it's based around arcane magic.
Chris and and yeah, there's some stuff that sort of turns people into monsters.
Chris And it's it's again well presented, very creepy.
Chris So, yeah, yeah, it's really good.
Adam Because I keep seeing a lot of people watching it, but I had no idea.
Chris Okay.
Adam Like what it was one of those things where it's like next on the list of Google.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know, and it's like, yeah, oh yeah, and I've got to remember to find out what that thing is.
Chris Yeah.
Chris So, is it worth it?
Chris Yeah, I mean it's it's, you know, it's hard to say if you would like it, but interesting to see.
Chris but yeah, I'm I'm definitely liking it every episode we've got to it.
Chris It's like, yeah, it's getting better and better.
Adam So, it's good because you're a fan of the original of the game, so yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Chris And it's funny, the game I didn't play for many years. I kept seeing it advertised and I was like, oh, that's a free-to-play game.
Chris It's just going to be rubbish.
Chris And and then I think it was I started to play some free-to-play games on iOS and I was like, well, they've done a pretty good job with these.
Chris Like sometimes it's a bit like they're trying to encourage you to spend money, but some of them you can play and get quite a lot out of them without spending anything.
Chris And one day I was like, I'll just give it a go.
Chris I've seen it so many times.
Chris I think I possibly saw someone streaming it on Twitch.
Chris and I was like, oh, that's it, I'm just going to try it.
Chris And once I played it, I realized it was totally not what I thought it was.
Chris yeah, and it was just blew me away, yeah.
Adam That's really great.
Chris So,
Adam On on just as a tangent on Twitch.
Adam Have you seen the thing that they started doing Tetris tournaments on there and loads of grannies are just kicking their asses.
Adam Because they've been playing it for 40 years or whatever.
Chris Yeah.
Adam So yeah.
Chris Yeah, that's funny because Tetris was used in the Nintendo tournaments, like the very early Nintendo tournaments when they were sort of trying to take America by storm.
Chris And and it's weird it's weird to see that.
Chris Because you think, yeah, like how can you have a Tetris?
Chris It's not not that competitive, but yeah.
Chris People can really get into it.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Adam, what have you been watching?
Adam well, I I I was a bit rough in the week.
Adam So, I watched the Sinbad trilogy.
Lee Oh, yes, I saw that.
Lee He looks so lovely.
Adam Oh, it's beautiful.
Adam And like I said, the weirdest thing is is Blu-ray.
Adam Like when we watched say, Evil Dead 2, you've got it on Blu-ray.
Adam So, you see wires and you see lines and stuff like that.
Adam Fuck me.
Adam Blu-ray, Harryhausen is still the shit.
Lee Nice.
Adam It's it does not alter, it still looks fucking great.
Adam It's, yeah, it's to the point of,
Adam you know, it now starts to feel like it might be actual magic rather than.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know.
Adam He he did something, you know, if it could look that good from back then.
Adam But yeah, that's so yeah, so I watched all three of those.
Adam So, I may shout minota at any moment.
Adam So that that yeah.
Lee At least you pre-warn me because I might have thought you shouted peloton and dash off and jump on an exercise bike, which I don't really want to be doing.
Adam This and this is a weird one, this is something that I've only heard people referring to an exercise bike as very recently.
Adam I presume it's a brand, is it?
Adam Is it someone trying to dis it?
Chris Yeah.
Chris Well, it's it's the whole extra classes and things, isn't it?
Adam Is that thing that people like yeah.
Chris So is it like combined with the software?
Lee I think.
Lee Again, I'm not an expert. I've just I keep because I am,
Lee because like every now and again, I'll go and Google like specific exercises for body parts and stuff.
Lee Or if I get a new bit of kit.
Lee I'll go and stop it, Adam.
Lee It's not inappropriate, it's perfectly sensible.
Chris He's just watching society.
Chris It's hard not to.
Adam Worse than that, just before we came on, I was watching bottom, so.
Lee Oh, yeah, we've got no chance now.
Adam Yeah.
Lee but yeah, or I get a new piece of equipment, and I'm like, right, I need to, you know, find new exercises I can do with that.
Lee So, because I Google that stuff on YouTube quite often.
Lee It's always, yeah, trying to suggest Peloton.
Lee Which looks like from the advert.
Lee It looks a bit like an exercise bike, but with a monitor on it, and it basically encourages you to.
Lee Basically, it's just like a personal trainer.
Lee So, you just get on your exercise bike, but instead of having your your television on, you've got some on it, keep going, come on, faster, come on, stand up, come on, you lazy fuck, you're not going to lose any way like that.
Adam I used to have that when I went to the gym with you.
Lee But, yeah, well, yeah, I will, yeah.
Lee I did do that.
Lee I am an arsehole.
Chris Yeah.
Adam I think I think also that that that is that is just a massive waste of money.
Adam In the sense of certainly for myself in that I will not be restricted by the idea of I can't punch this person because it's impolite, they'll probably knock the fuck out of me.
Chris Yeah.
Adam So, if I've got like a a virtual personal trainer.
Adam I am punching that screen at some point.
Adam It's going to happen.
Adam So.
Lee It's not that is going to more expensive clothes or since six weeks time when you get bored of it.
Adam That's true.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But, yeah, so I've watched I've been watching those seen the first two episodes of the new What We Do in the Shadows.
Lee Yeah.
Adam as you know, Lee, they've now put it up on iPlayer in full.
Adam but I'm sort of chewing through it week by week.
Adam so I yeah, so I've seen the first two episodes, both of which are really great and Kristen Shaw turning up as well.
Adam That's always a joy.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Adam So, yeah.
Adam so yep, that's definitely recommended.
Adam and I also watched, sensor.
Adam As in censorship, not as in like stacked up.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Adam So.
Lee Great.
Lee Great album.
Adam Because when I when I first heard about the the film, I was searching for it under that spelling.
Lee Yeah.
Adam When someone just mentioned something about it and it's like, oh, I said, and yeah, no, it's sensor as in censorship.
Adam And basically, it's a directed by Prano Bailey-Bond.
Adam And it is,
Adam if I've said that wrong, yeah, that's fucking awful because I'm thinking, yeah, what a great memory and it's like, you come back and it's like a Kurt Skrads.
Adam Or, you know, I've mispronounced that terribly.
Adam So, I apologize if I have.
Adam but basically, it's set in the sort of early 80s.
Adam During the video nasty scare and it's about a woman who works for the BBFC, the British Board of Film Classification.
Adam So, she's the one vetting the tapes of like, you know, Evil Dead and SS Abomination or whatever.
Adam Sort of video nasty that you can think of.
Adam And
Adam Yeah, really.
Adam basically.
Adam She watches a video that reminds her of her own sister's disappearance.
Adam When that when she was a kid.
Adam And so, she sort of.
Adam And but yeah, sort of goes from there.
Adam Michael Smiley's in it, which is always the guarantee of satisfaction, all right.
Adam And yeah.
Adam Oh, and Nicholas Burns, Nathan Barley.
Chris
Adam Who who is brilliant as a very smug fellow sensor.
Adam Who's just there's going, oh, I mean, the thing is you're saying about that, the eye gouging, come on, that's that's Gloustering King Lear.
Adam And her reply is, right, you've brought Shakespeare into the room, so your argument is invalid.
Adam But,
Adam And,
Adam yeah, yeah.
Adam Like really good.
Adam really atmospheric, and it's one of those it's one of those ones where someone's sort of losing their shit.
Adam So, it becomes quite hallucinatory and everything.
Adam And,
Adam Yeah, but also sort of like some nicely sort of comic bits as well.
Adam in there, mostly from, yeah, when they're talking about like the video nasties and stuff like that.
Adam So, yeah.
Adam
Adam definitely recommend that one.
Adam And,
Adam and yeah, that's all the weather apart from something that we obviously all saw.
Lee Yes.
Adam So, Lee, I shall hand over to you, sir.
Lee Thank you very much.
Lee so we've had a week of firsts this week.
Lee Well, a Fortnite of first, in fact.
Lee so Jennifer had never seen Society, so she watched it with me.
Adam He.
Lee We'll get onto that in a bit.
Chris She didn't want to join us.
Adam No.
Adam I think that indicates something.
Chris Yeah.
Lee You might be I was massively surprised.
Lee We got to the end and I was waiting for the what and muth was that.
Lee But actually, we got to the end and she went, that was fun.
Lee And I was like,
Adam What.
Lee Who are you? You're not like I married you.
Lee but yeah, so also she realized that she has never seen The Fog.
Lee The John Carpenter movie.
Chris
Lee I don't know.
Lee I don't know.
Chris I also have never seen that.
Chris But that's less of a surprise, I imagine.
Adam That's kind of the basis of the podcast.
Chris It is, really, yes.
Lee I have come to the conclusion, this is my second favorite John Carpenter.
Lee And I think the most underrated of his pieces.
Lee I love this movie so, so much.
Adam Absolutely.
Lee I kind of it's one of those I I think it's really good and then I watch it.
Lee And then every time it floors me just how perfect a film it is.
Chris Yeah.
Chris That's it.
Lee It's incredible.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It is an amazing fucking film.
Adam First John Carpenter I ever saw.
Lee Oh, really?
Adam And yeah, I'm pretty sure it was, I I think I was aware of Halloween.
Adam But I hadn't actually seen it.
Adam And then the fog was on one night, and it was it was.
Adam I think it was a Halloween job, I think it was on like one Halloween or whatever.
Lee Nice.
Adam And.
Adam Just yeah, rather than show Halloween.
Adam They show The Fog.
Lee Oh.
Adam Maybe they'd done Halloween too much so they decided to put The Fog on, I don't know.
Adam But,
Adam yeah, and again, just like going into it, not knowing anything, and it was just like, this is fucking great.
Lee I I think the last time I saw it, actually, Adam, was with you on Halloween night when we went to the all-nighter John Carpenter one.
Lee and I think because I think because it started at around 3:0 a.m.
Lee I don't think I was like fully tuned into it.
Lee
Adam It was a weird one to place there, it has to be said, because it was like the mellowest film they had on.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And and you're like, I know you can't do it, you certainly can do it first.
Adam Third, I think, would have been the key.
Lee
Adam Because I think you could sort of change the pace if you really, but yeah, just that.
Adam That time in the morning was just like, yeah.
Adam I think that was what finished off a lot of people because it was that then they live, wasn't it?
Lee Yes.
Lee Yeah, I think it just kind of washed over me, unfortunately.
Lee But,
Lee but yeah, I I just I I just watched it and was so excited again.
Lee I was like, oh my God.
Lee I like I've seen this film probably half a dozen times.
Lee But apart from that time at the Prince Charles, I don't think I've seen it in, well, probably not in 20 years because Jennifer hasn't seen it.
Adam
Lee
Lee So, yeah, and I was just like, oh my God, why is this not in my yearly re-watching schedule, really?
Lee It's just fantastic.
Lee
Adam It's something you you end up weirdly enough appreciating anew.
Adam That I find.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It's like you do that first time you watch it and then the more you see it.
Adam It's a bit like it has almost it's like that Jaws thing where you watch it and you're like, actually, this is fucking good.
Adam You know.
Lee Exactly, that's exactly it, yeah.
Lee Oh, perfect.
Lee and the other film that we watched that Jennifer again had never seen.
Lee And exactly the same as society.
Lee I was waiting for what.
Lee but recently, in the run-up to Halloween, Jennifer kept putting on Halloween playlists through Amazon.
Lee Well, through Alexa, obviously, not through Amazon because that'd upset her massively.
Lee but and it kept putting on the Killer Clowns From Outer Space theme tune.
Adam Oh, the Dikkens.
Lee Yeah, and she yeah, and she kept sort of humming along to it, and I was like, are you humming Killer Clowns? And she was like, I don't know, it's just on a playlist.
Lee And I was like, you've seen the film though, and she went, no, don't think I have.
Lee So, I was like, right, we're going to sit down and watch it.
Lee And we sat down and it got to the end, and I was waiting for a slap or something.
Lee And she just went, oh, that was good.
Lee Oh, we need to watch more films like that.
Lee I was like,
Lee What is going on? Why is your your taste suddenly massively?
Lee But,
Lee I mean,
Lee I'm not going to knock it.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee So,
Lee yeah.
Adam I I think I yeah, but I'm actually quite surprised because I would have thought Jennifer would have liked Killer Clowns.
Adam Because, yeah, I can I can sort of see it.
Adam In a weird way, like with other stuff that she likes, I can see.
Chris Is it is it a like a black comedy?
Adam Oh, it's mental.
Adam This is.
Adam This is this is one we will get we will get to Chris.
Adam And we will this is we're already lining up the new year here.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Because I think that that's another one like society that I always saw in the video shop.
Lee Yes.
Adam Yes.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It's from that right era.
Chris
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Definitely.
Adam But I mean it's sort of because Killer Clowns Killer Clowns is kind of somewhere between like say, how Critters and
Adam Oh, what's the James Gunn film?
Adam Slither.
Lee Yes.
Chris
Chris Yeah.
Adam It's kind of that sort of thing of like small town being invaded, but yeah, it's just these weird puppet clown aliens.
Lee Yeah, they're aliens that look like clowns, so they they do sort of mention it vaguely in passing that.
Lee They think possibly they've been here before and clowns are designed to look like these weird aliens, but there's kind of nothing funny about them.
Lee And they they put people in cotton candy cocoons and all their guns look like oh, they drive yeah.
Lee Like they drive tiny cars that they get 12 of them in and all like it's really oh, it's just bat shit.
Lee It's so much fun.
Lee It's great.
Adam It's it kind of it's that same feeling of it feels like it could have been an early Tim Burton.
Lee Yes.
Lee Absolutely.
Adam It's yeah, it's like Pee-wee Herman's Big Adventure sort of thing.
Adam It's all that kind of.
Lee I was going to say, isn't the film directed by two brothers.
Lee Who basically were special effects guys who just wrote a film to show off their special effects, if I remember correctly.
Lee and I've got a feeling they might have had something to do with Pee-wee's Playhouse. I definitely looked something up recently that had Pee-wee's Playhouse in it.
Lee And I was like, oh, right, so it could have been that and the guys worked on it.
Lee But yeah.
Adam The guys, those guys, I think did Critters, they were the guys who were behind the effects in Critters.
Lee I think you're right.
Lee That's about it.
Lee Yeah.
Lee But yeah, excellent.
Lee Cool, right.
Lee Anyway, before I get into a into another rabbit hole of 80s horror, let's move on to this film.
Lee So,
Lee we are covering 1989's Society.
Lee Now, just to roll back, we've been showing Chris horror films for about three years now.
Lee And occasionally, he goes off and watches something.
Lee Normally quite mainstream or quite expected and randomly on the last episode, out of the fucking blue, Chris goes.
Chris I watched society.
Lee And I was like, what you how?
Lee Like this isn't this isn't commonly known.
Lee How did you end up watching this film, Chris?
Lee I'm desperate to know.
Adam Oh.
Adam Can I can I just say before that when you said that Chris, my heart swelled at one.
Lee Oh.
Adam Oh, one.
Adam I was like, my boy, my boy's out there doing it.
Chris So, I just had a fight with Darth Maul and didn't didn't get chopped in half and yeah.
Chris well, so I'm fairly certain it was Bobby that recommended it.
Chris From not for everyone.
Chris I'm I'm fairly certain it was.
Lee I think he would have.
Chris It it may not have been, but having seen it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but.
Adam I think it was, I think it was a while back.
Adam But it is it's also the kind of film that Bobby wants he wants to know what you think of these films as well.
Adam That's the thing.
Chris Yeah, well, so like if it was a well back, it must have been percolating around in my mind.
Chris And then I saw it on it must have been on prime, maybe Shutter through prime.
Chris And I'd I'd perhaps I'd added it to a list and then I was like, that's it, I'm just going to watch this today.
Chris This is this is what's going on.
Chris Because I you know, you see the cover.
Chris Now, I think it's got two covers, it's got the one with the woman pulling off her face.
Adam The illustrated one.
Adam Yeah, like the woman.
Adam Yeah, they're like King and Queen.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Chris and so, you know, that's that's quite unusual.
Chris and then it's got the other one with all the pink bodies, which I I had had no idea what that was.
Chris I I just didn't look at it properly beforehand.
Chris I just sort of saw this pink mess.
Chris And it turns out it is a pink mess.
Lee See, it's funny you say that because I thought that because I said to Jennifer before watching it.
Lee I said, don't watch a trailer.
Lee Don't read a.
Chris
Lee Don't look at anything.
Lee Just go in completely cold.
Lee And then the opening credits shows the end all in the background.
Lee And I was like, if you know, that'll definitely spoil it, but I'm keen to know if you didn't know.
Lee If you would go, is that a weird amorphous gold you got?
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee Again, we said we'll spoil it, this film is an hour and 15 minutes of where is this going?
Lee Followed by, oh, shit.
Lee So, if we don't spoil it.
Chris Where it went.
Lee It's not going to work.
Adam The opening credits when Claire saw them, she used the term are they having a sext?
Lee Yeah.
Adam So, yeah.
Lee Cuz they work.
Adam No.
Adam Actually, the weirdest thing is there is I think it was the video cover or like the the first like completely vanilla DVD release of society was just the arse face.
Lee Huh.
Adam Which was like, wow, that's just completely.
Lee You don't need to watch the film now.
Adam It wasn't even so much that, it was like, if you bought this, if you got this thinking that looks cool as a monster.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And then by the because it's quite tight close-up on the face with just like stretched and everything else like that.
Adam So, when you actually see it in context with a pair of legs and an ass round it, you'd be like, oh, I thought that was going to be like some cool creepy gory demon.
Lee Yeah, it does look very similar to From Beyond's cover, that one actually.
Lee So, yeah, you can see how you go, oh, it's just like From Beyond, no, no, it isn't anything like that.
Adam No.
Adam No.
Chris I did, right, I I did because I'd watched this before, I thought this time I'll look up some bits about it.
Chris Normally I'll try not to look at anything, occasionally.
Lee Of course.
Chris I just can't help it and I've got to look at something.
Chris But yeah, so I thought I'd look up a few reviews of this just to see get a feel of what the world thinks.
Chris And I did quite like the first one on IMDb, the title was, I respected it more than I enjoyed it.
Chris I could understand, I can appreciate that perspective there.
Lee
Chris I'm I'm it's it's hard to use the word enjoy, I would say.
Chris I I I was entertained by it, the majority of it absolutely I I really enjoyed the mystery aspect.
Chris And is is he just going mad or is there something going on?
Chris It it looks like something's going on.
Chris But and then who's involved and how far does it go?
Chris And then obviously when you get the on the feel, it goes quite far.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Quite far up the elementary Canal.
Chris Yeah.
Chris And so, yeah, but I would definitely say looking back at it.
Chris I was entertained.
Chris I did enjoy it, not all of it completely.
Chris But I absolutely think, you know, he was taking some risk making this.
Chris
Lee Oh, it's a very brave film.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Well, and it does cover, I mean, you know, like our.
Chris And the idea of society.
Chris Like because you do hear, you've got to be a good upstanding member of society.
Chris You know.
Chris You have to work hard and and this is society.
Chris And we like to be good.
Chris And it turns out those at the upper echelons, well, they are a little bit deviant on that.
Chris As we've learned over, you know.
Adam I mean, the the unfortunate thing is is that this movie is kind of kind to the rich and powerful.
Chris Probably.
Chris Yeah.
Adam In as much as it's like, well, the excuse is they're actually a different body of squishy alien things that sort of like have weird.
Adam Oles up all up each other is probably better than the genuine sleazy corruption of you know, the rich and powerful.
Adam but it is also that thing, it's pillar of society, isn't it?
Adam When it's always like they always go.
Adam And I mean this is this is something actually that's come up recently is because obviously there's lots of
Adam this is in in in Merrie old England, there's a lot of talk of various politicians taking money and so on and so forth.
Adam And and sort of fiddling their expenses and so on.
Adam And it's described as sleeves.
Adam And that really annoys me because it's not sleaze, sleaze should be sleazy.
Lee Yeah.
Adam If if you're doing the end of society, that's sleazy.
Chris Corruption is corruption.
Adam Yeah, this is corruption.
Adam You know, but yeah, but apparently that's too strong a term.
Chris Sleaze almost makes it sound a little bit fun.
Chris You know, it's like it's not too bad, it's like, you know.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yeah, could be.
Lee It makes it think of 80s boob comedy.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah, like.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Chris There's a bit of humor to it somewhere.
Adam Gives him a sort of feel of Robin Asquith rather than, you know, fucking.
Adam But feven asshole come.
Chris Yeah.
Adam But you know.
Adam But I was wondering when when I was watching it, I did wonder, is this the first.
Adam Conspiracy horror we've really covered?
Lee
Adam Because I mean horror tends to be reveals and things like that.
Adam So, it often starts out, oh, what's this then it turns out it's a werewolf.
Adam It's yeah, giant fish people, whatever, you know, it's.
Chris Yeah.
Adam but is this one where they derive a lot of the tension and horror from that.
Adam One person against some thing going on, like they live or something like that.
Lee I would say you're right, this could be the first of those we've covered.
Lee However,
Lee I would like to bring this film up in reference to two other movies by the same person.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Oh.
Lee I promise not to get on a rant.
Lee But.
Lee when we covered Get Out, and I said it really reminded me of like an 80s kind of throwaway movie.
Chris Get.
Chris Wait, get out or or us?
Lee Get out.
Lee So, Get Out.
Lee Was the exact same.
Lee Did we not?
Lee No, we discussed it on the us episode.
Lee You're right.
Adam We discussed it on the us episode, which is a shame because I think we should have discussed Get Out because I think we all preferred it.
Lee I I felt that we did cover it.
Lee But yeah.
Adam We did cover it.
Adam Yeah.
Lee But yeah, that is it is this movie.
Lee It's an hour and 20 minutes or whatever of what's going on in the back.
Lee As you say, it's as you say, Adam, it's that one character, is he paranoid, is he being overzealous, is something big going on and if so, what?
Lee And then at the end you get the, oh, shit, I didn't see that coming.
Lee So, that's exactly what Get Out reminded me of with this film.
Lee And I think that's why I felt it wasn't original.
Lee Because it felt so close to this style.
Adam Well, it's it's from that same.
Adam Like body snatchers and stuff like that.
Lee Yeah, body snatchers as well.
Lee Perfectly.
Adam You know, Body Snatchers is probably the ultimate example of like conspiracy horror, I would say.
Adam Because it's that thing of the conspiracy is the horror.
Adam It's not a mechanical reason why something's taking place or whatever like that.
Adam
Adam and actually, I'll tell you what, and this is the bit where you go, oh, there's a reason why we are still watching Society now.
Adam Is that when Brian Yazna first got the script.
Adam The end was, huh, they're all Satanists.
Adam They're only bloody Satanists and they're sacrificing people.
Adam Come on.
Lee That's a bit soft, isn't it?
Lee It's a fucking.
Adam It's a fucking.
Adam Weak ending.
Adam Whereas this, you fucking.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know.
Adam A man turns into a giant flicky hand.
Lee Yeah.
Adam At one point.
Adam You know.
Chris And and and it was all practical effects as well.
Chris Now, that that stands out now as like, oh, that's pretty impressive what they've done there.
Adam Well, the guy, the guy who's done, because obviously it's directed by Brian Yazna.
Adam Who along with Stewart Gordon does a lot of gloopy monster films.
Adam You know, like Re-Animator and From Beyond and stuff like that.
Adam And.
Adam but the effects guy on this is a Japanese fellow called Screaming Mad George.
Lee Oh, yeah, we saw his name in the credits.
Lee And we're like, well, that's pretty impressive, if nothing else.
Adam Because he's I think I think he's actually his credit in full is something like surrealistic makeup effects.
Adam Or something like that.
Adam It's.
Adam Yeah.
Adam but yes, his real name is Yohei Tanney.
Adam and when he was he was born in Japan and he chose to call himself George.
Adam Because it was an exotic sort of like, it wasn't a Japanese name, so it stood out.
Adam but then he moved to the states and that's why he had to become Screaming Mad George because there were a few more Georges.
Adam And it wasn't quite as, yeah.
Adam didn't quite stand out as much.
Adam
Adam and he was in, he was the singer in a New York punk band called The Mad.
Adam And then they their music videos and they were all just like and this is like 1980 one, two or something like that.
Adam But they're like proper splatterry gory effects sort of weird stuff and things like that.
Adam And that basically got him a job doing special effects in films.
Adam And.
Adam Yeah, and that's and but yeah, and I'll give I'll give you the rundown.
Adam He's worked on Poltergeist 2, The Other Side.
Adam Big Trouble in Little China.
Adam Woo!
Adam Nightmare on Elm Street 3 and 4, he's responsible for the cockroach death.
Adam In number 4.
Lee Wow.
Adam the Abyss, Space Balls, This Is The End, Jack Frost.
Adam Freaked, an American Werewolf in Paris.
Adam Silent Night, Deadly Night 5, Necronomicon and Children of the Corn 3.
Adam with Brian Yazna, he did Bride of Re-Animator Beyond Re-Animator.
Adam Progeny, Silent Night 4, Faust, Love of the Damned.
Adam The Dentist 2, brace yourself.
Adam And he directed The Guyver with Mark Hamill, which is.
Chris
Adam A fucking highly recommended film.
Adam
Adam my only regret with that is that I didn't see The Guyver when it first came out because I would have been at the right age.
Adam That it would be my favorite film of all fucking time ever, fucking hell.
Lee Yeah.
Adam That is.
Lee That is a impressive.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It's a pretty impressive resume.
Adam And but,
Adam I think yeah, basically him and Screaming Mad George because I think what happened was Screaming Mad George told him what he wanted to do.
Adam And Brian Yazna was like, well, should we make a film, we'll make a film to put that in it.
Adam And then sort of, oh yeah, and I had that script, yeah, hey, this is crap, right, okay, and that's basically what happened.
Adam And it's one of the rare opportunities, you know, when you sort of see things in usually where it's like, oh, a someone wrote a horror film.
Adam And then I said, edit it and we'll make it Halloween 6.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yeah, we'll call it Halloween 6 or something, because we come, yeah, why not?
Adam I mean, not not that it's not that it's a film that's already been made and featured Michael Myers rather than Binhead.
Adam So, you know.
Adam But, yeah, we'll call it Hellraiser 6 then.
Adam We'll do that.
Adam And,
Adam yeah, it's rather it was sort of like, yeah, we wouldn't have remembered society, either film where a lot of rich people turned out to be Satanists.
Adam Or had watched it.
Adam And been like, yeah.
Adam That's all right.
Adam Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Adam This is Jesus Christ.
Lee Yeah.
Chris This this stays in your mind banks.
Lee I've just worked it out, so Brian Bremmer in this.
Lee Who played the younger brother who was a bit of a dick, who died and then didn't who was on the debating team.
Adam Oh, Petrie, yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I knew I recognized him from something, and it was really annoying me the whole time.
Lee I've just worked out it's Bumpkin Head.
Adam Yeah.
Adam He's Bumping Pumpkin Head.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I was like, oh no, I I think he just looks like someone.
Lee Which is why earlier when you said, he is so and so, and I went, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wasn't quite sure who you meant.
Lee I'm not going to and I was like, oh, he knows who it is, I'll write that down and I'll look later, but no, it's not.
Lee I've just worked out it's Pumpkin Head.
Lee So.
Adam Because.
Adam Probably, I mean, I mean, apart from, I mean, Clarissa was Devon Devasquez, who was a former Playboy model.
Lee Okay.
Adam But other than that, not many people sort of people involved with this have had careers, but nothing sort of noticeable.
Adam Billy Warlock being the the only one because he was in loads of, he was like in Baywatch.
Chris
Adam And Happy Days, Days of Our Lives, The Young and the Restless.
Adam And he was like recurring roles in all these TV things.
Adam So, you know.
Adam In America, he's probably like, I don't know, Danny Dyer or someone like that.
Adam You know.
Chris That's.
Chris That's pretty weird.
Adam But I mean, you're sitting there going, isn't that his name's Billy Warlock?
Adam That's a cool name.
Adam His dad is Dick Warlock.
Lee No, Warlock was our first unsung hero, I believe.
Adam He was, I think he was, yeah.
Lee Oh, that's awesome.
Adam I was describing Dick Warlock to Claire and I said he's a stuntman, he's been in he's played Michael Myers, his name's Dick Warlock, and her response was, hey, Dick, leave some pussy for the rest of us.
Adam Hey, because it was like, wow, that is this pasta.
Lee Your classic.
Adam You are.
Adam Yeah.
Lee The other thing, saying about the 80s-ness of it, we we were very diametrically opposed to the scene when he gets out of his jeep and he's walking around looking for the other guy, and he eventually finds him in that Volvo.
Lee
Lee Yes.
Lee he's standing in that baggy-ish gray suit in his trainers and Jennifer went, what is wrong with that man? Why is he dressed in a baggy suit and trainers?
Lee And literally, as she started speaking, in my mind, I was just thinking, fuck, he looks cool. I could still dress like that.
Lee You know, literally, as if she'd read my mind, she was like, he looks all right, dress up.
Lee Oh.
Lee Maybe I won't do that then.
Adam Also, also that guy Petrie is the is literally Martin Prince. It's like this is where Martin Prince goes from from there, you know, from childhood.
Adam It's.
Adam He's just.
Adam Every I love the fact that it is because obviously it's kind of.
Adam From fairly early on, it's like, oh yeah, your parents and your sister involved in weird sex or something.
Adam And they're all fucking each other and everyone else and stuff like that.
Adam And.
Adam That kind of actually is the answer.
Adam But nowhere near.
Chris Yeah.
Adam How how basic that is.
Adam You know, weird why.
Adam You know.
Adam And but what I why I really love about this is it reminds me of other 80s films from the time.
Adam But it's like it's like what you want to happen to the dickheads in Porky's.
Lee Do you know what I mean?
Adam It's like all these sort of like high school like, hey, we're just a bunch of guys.
Adam Yeah, who probably in 20 years time are just fucking shoot everyone, but we're just a bunch of guys.
Adam And we just need to see the cheerleaders' boobs.
Adam And I just love the idea that it's like, yeah, no, this this that kind of a film.
Adam But then it's gone into like sort of, oh no, this is this is fucking horrible.
Lee Yeah.
Adam This is icky.
Adam You know, it's.
Adam And it's it's genuinely the sort of the pervy-ness that it sort of highlights is in those other films of how they are.
Adam Kind of creepy.
Adam You know, especially you sort of watch them back and you're like, fucking, you know, these are sort of these are quite despicable film in a way.
Adam Whereas this is kind of like, yeah, this is what you get for trying to see your sister.
Lee Yeah.
Adam In the shower, you twist up.
Adam Or she's a twist in that respect.
Adam But yeah.
Lee You know what I mean.
Lee Why do you say that, another film I started watching this week?
Lee But I only got halfway through, so I didn't cover it. I started watching a film called Killer Party.
Adam Oh, right.
Adam Okay.
Lee
Lee But that's very much the same.
Lee Yeah, so it starts with a load of girls naked in the hot tub.
Adam That's as far as you got, wasn't it?
Lee Well, it doesn't start with it, but ten minutes in, a load of girls naked in the hot tub. Yeah, and then all the jocks from the frat house round the corner all turn up and basically throw a jar of bees over and then climb over the fence and videotape all the girls running it.
Lee Yeah, and I was like, they should still be in prison from the 80s if that's what they're doing.
Lee Like, this isn't a fun prank, like that's very dangerous and very serious sexual crime, really.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And I think that's what I.
Adam Because it's like with this, it's like sort of like, oh, I've got to go with the hot brunette.
Adam And it's like,
Adam yeah, but.
Adam And actually my it does feature one I love the line about cream, sugar, or shall I just pee in it?
Lee You're classy, you are.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee The other thing, saying about the 80s-ness of it,
Lee
Adam
Lee We we were very diametrically opposed.
Lee So, the scene when he gets out of his jeep and he's walking around looking for the other guy and he eventually finds him in that Volvo, and he's standing in that baggyish gray suit in his trainers.
Lee And Jennifer went, what is wrong with that man? Why is he dressed in a baggy suit and trainers?
Lee And literally, as she started speaking.
Lee In my mind, I was just thinking, fuck, he looks cool.
Lee I could still dress like that, you know.
Lee Literally, as if she'd read my mind, she was like, he looks all right, dressed up.
Lee Oh.
Lee Maybe I won't do that then.
Adam Also.
Adam Also.
Adam That guy.
Adam Petrie.
Adam Is the is literally Martin Prince.
Adam It's like this is where Martin Prince goes from from there, you know, from childhood.
Adam He's just.
Adam I love the fact that it is because obviously it's kind of from fairly early on, it's like, oh yeah, your parents and your sister involved in weird sex all these.
Adam And they're all fucking each other and everyone else and stuff like that.
Adam And.
Adam That kind of actually is the answer.
Adam But nowhere near.
Chris Yeah.
Adam How how basic that is.
Adam You know, weird why.
Adam You know.
Adam And but what I why I really love about this is it reminds me of other 80s films from the time.
Adam But it's like it's like what you want to happen to the dickheads in Porky's.
Lee Do you know what I mean?
Adam It's like all these sort of like high school like, hey, we're just a bunch of guys.
Adam Yeah, who probably in 20 years time are just fucking shoot everyone, but we're just a bunch of guys.
Adam And we just need to see the cheerleaders' boobs.
Adam And I just love the idea that it's like, yeah, no, this this that kind of a film.
Adam But then it's gone into like sort of, oh no, this is this is fucking horrible.
Lee Yeah.
Adam This is icky.
Adam You know, it's.
Adam And it's it's genuinely the sort of the pervy-ness that it sort of highlights is in those other films of how they are.
Adam Kind of creepy.
Adam You know, especially you sort of watch them back and you're like, fucking, you know, these are sort of these are quite despicable film in a way.
Adam Whereas this is kind of like, yeah, this is what you get for trying to see your sister.
Lee Yeah.
Adam In the shower, you twist up.
Adam Or she's a twist in that respect.
Adam But yeah.
Lee You know what I mean.
Lee Why do you say that, another film I started watching this week?
Lee But I only got halfway through, so I didn't cover it. I started watching a film called Killer Party.
Adam Oh, right.
Adam Okay.
Lee but that's very much the same.
Lee Yeah, so it starts with a load of girls naked in the hot tub.
Adam That's as far as you got, wasn't it?
Lee Well, it doesn't start with it, but ten minutes in, a load of girls naked in the hot tub. Yeah, and then all the jocks from the frat house round the corner all turn up and basically throw a jar of bees over and then climb over the fence and videotape all the girls running it.
Lee Yeah, and I was like, they should still be in prison from the 80s if that's what they're doing.
Lee Like, this isn't a fun prank, like that's very dangerous and very serious sexual crime, really.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And I think that's what I.
Adam Because it's like with this, it's like sort of like, oh, I've got to go with the hot brunette.
Adam And it's like,
Adam yeah, but.
Adam And actually.
Adam My it does feature one I love the line about cream, sugar, or shall I just pee in it?
Lee You're classy.
Lee You are.
Adam Yeah.
Lee The other thing, saying about the 80s-ness of it,
Lee
Adam
Lee We we were very diametrically opposed to the scene when he gets out of his jeep and he's walking around looking for the other guy.
Lee And he eventually finds him in that Volvo, and he's standing in that baggyish gray suit in his trainers, and Jennifer went, what is wrong with that man? Why is he dressed in a baggy suit and trainers?
Lee And literally, as she started speaking.
Lee In my mind, I was just thinking, fuck, he looks cool.
Lee I could still dress like that, you know.
Lee Literally, as if she'd read my mind, she was like, he looks all right, dress up.
Lee Oh.
Lee Maybe I won't do that then.
Adam Also, also that guy Petrie is the is literally Martin Prince. It's like this is where Martin Prince goes from from there, you know, from childhood.
Adam He's just.
Adam Every I love the fact that it is because obviously it's kind of from fairly early on, it's like, oh yeah, your parents and your sister involved in weird sex all these.
Adam And they're all fucking each other and everyone else and stuff like that.
Adam And.
Adam That kind of actually is the answer.
Adam But nowhere near.
Chris Yeah.
Adam How how basic that is.
Adam You know, weird why.
Adam You know.
Adam And but what I why I really love about this is it reminds me of other 80s films from the time.
Adam But it's like it's like what you want to happen to the dickheads in Porky's.
Lee Do you know what I mean?
Adam It's like all these sort of like high school like, hey, we're just a bunch of guys.
Adam Yeah, who probably in 20 years time are just fucking shoot everyone, but we're just a bunch of guys.
Adam And we just need to see the cheerleaders' boobs.
Adam And I just love the idea that it's like, yeah, no, this this that kind of a film.
Adam But then it's gone into like sort of, oh no, this is this is fucking horrible.
Lee Yeah.
Adam This is icky.
Adam You know, it's.
Adam And it's it's genuinely the sort of the pervy-ness that it sort of highlights is in those other films of how they are.
Adam Kind of creepy.
Adam You know, especially you sort of watch them back and you're like, fucking, you know, these are sort of these are quite despicable film in a way.
Adam Whereas this is kind of like, yeah, this is what you get for trying to see your sister.
Lee Yeah.
Adam In the shower, you twist up.
Adam Or she's a twist in that respect.
Adam But yeah.
Lee You know what I mean.
Lee Why do you say that, another film I started watching this week?
Lee But I only got halfway through, so I didn't cover it. I started watching a film called Killer Party.
Adam Oh, right.
Adam Okay.
Lee but that's very much the same.
Lee Yeah, so it starts with a load of girls naked in the hot tub.
Adam That's as far as you got, wasn't it?
Lee Well, it doesn't start with it, but ten minutes in, a load of girls naked in the hot tub. Yeah, and then all the jocks from the frat house round the corner all turn up and basically throw a jar of bees over and then climb over the fence and videotape all the girls running it.
Lee Yeah, and I was like, they should still be in prison from the 80s if that's what they're doing.
Lee Like, this isn't a fun prank, like that's very dangerous and very serious sexual crime, really.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And I think that's what I.
Adam Because it's like with this, it's like sort of like, oh, I've got to go with the hot brunette.
Adam And it's like,
Adam yeah, but.
Adam And actually.
Adam My it does feature one I love the line about cream, sugar, or shall I just pee in it?
Lee You're classy.
Lee You are.
Adam Yeah.
Lee
Lee Yeah, I think that's probably all we can say.
Lee On this film.
Lee It's,
Adam And.
Adam Also.
Adam I still.
Adam I've still to this day never worked out what is going on with the mum.
Adam Like the Clarissa's mother.
Lee No.
Lee Oh, yeah, that's really I yeah, I don't get that at all.
Lee And I don't get her.
Lee She's got the thing with the hair.
Lee And the judge has the bit with the hair as well, and I was like, is it?
Lee Is it?
Chris Like hair.
Chris Just get stuck.
Lee Like maybe she's like maybe she's so inbred that she's now like that, maybe.
Lee But again, that was me trying to work it out, watching it.
Lee And then gets to the end and I was like, I don't know.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Something's on.
Chris Mint.
Adam Yeah.
Lee I don't know.
Adam Yeah, I think I think that's the key to it is.
Adam I think it does string you it strings you along nicely.
Adam And then at least gives you a payoff you have never seen before.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Do you know what I mean.
Lee Yes.
Adam It's it's very hard to accuse it of I saw that coming.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know.
Adam It sort of it's what's you know, there was that.
Adam Was it Eddie Izzard who said that the best episode you could do of Tales of the Unexpected is a man thinks his wife's having an affair.
Adam So, he hires a private detective to follow her, then he finds out that she's not actually been going to work and she comes home early on a Thursday.
Adam So, he decides he takes the afternoon off, he goes home, he opens the door and a leopard eats him.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And it's like that genuinely is a tale of the unexpected.
Chris Yeah.
Adam So.
Adam And I think this.
Adam Sort of qualifies in that way.
Lee Definitely.
Lee Definitely.
Adam Oh, gives Roll doll run for his money.
Lee Yeah.
Adam But.
Adam Yeah.
Adam I think I think another,
Adam I mean it's like, no, I've completely lost my trying to thought.
Adam So there we go.
Adam This is what I think podcasting is all about.
Chris I think I think that's allowed.
Adam I think.
Adam But yeah, I think this.
Adam This film can do that to you though.
Adam You know.
Adam It's acceptable.
Adam You suddenly have a sudden image in your mind of it.
Adam And it's all gone, what was where were we again?
Adam Yeah.
Adam This this is the thing.
Adam It is a it is a film that flashes back.
Adam Definitely, it's this is this is one of those ones where you just like I just for no good reason something you remind you.
Adam It must have been hell for people watching Billy Warlock.
Adam In fucking Baywatch all those years to sort of like, oh, right, carry on, it's fine, don't worry.
Adam yeah, I.
Adam I think that's probably all we can say.
Adam On this film.
Adam It's,
Adam And also, I still, I've still to this day.
Adam Never worked out what is going on with the mum.
Adam Like the Clarissa's mother.
Lee No.
Lee Oh, yeah, that's really I yeah, I don't get that at all.
Lee And I don't get her.
Lee She's got the thing with the hair and the judge has the bit with the hair as well, and I was like, is it?
Lee Is it?
Chris Like hair just get stuck.
Lee Is it like maybe she's like maybe she's so inbred that she's now like that, maybe, but again, that was me trying to work it out, watching it.
Lee And then gets to the end and I was like, I don't know.
Chris Something's on.
Chris Mint.
Adam Yeah.
Lee I don't know.
Adam Yeah.
Lee But I think that's.
Adam Well, maybe it's.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I think that's probably all we can say.
Lee On this film.
Lee It's,
Adam And also, I still, I've still to this day.
Adam Never worked out what is going on with the mum.
Adam Like the Clarissa's mother.
Lee No.
Lee Oh, yeah, that's really I yeah.
Lee I don't get that at all.
Lee And I don't get her.
Lee She's got the thing with the hair and the judge has the bit with the hair as well, and I was like, is it?
Lee Is it?
Chris Like hair just get stuck.
Lee Is it like maybe she's like maybe she's so inbred that she's now like that, maybe, but again, that was me trying to work it out, watching it.
Lee And then gets to the end and I was like, I don't know.
Chris Something's on.
Chris Mint.
Adam Yeah.
Lee I don't know.
Adam Yeah.
Lee But I think that's.
Adam Well, maybe it's.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I think that's probably all we can say.
Lee On this film.
Lee It's,
Adam And also, I still, I've still to this day.
Adam Never worked out what is going on with the mum.
Adam Like the Clarissa's mother.
Lee No.
Lee Oh, yeah, that's really I yeah.
Lee I don't get that at all.
Lee And I don't get her.
Lee She's got the thing with the hair and the judge has the bit with the hair as well, and I was like, is it?
Lee Is it?
Chris Like hair just get stuck.
Lee Is it like maybe she's like maybe she's so inbred that she's now like that, maybe, but again, that was me trying to work it out, watching it.
Lee And then gets to the end and I was like, I don't know.
Chris Something's on.
Chris Mint.
Adam Yeah.
Lee I don't know.
Adam Yeah.
Lee But I think that's.
Adam Well, maybe it's.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I think that's probably all we can say.
Lee On this film.
Lee It's,
Adam And also, I still, I've still to this day.
Adam Never worked out what is going on with the mum.
Adam Like the Clarissa's mother.
Lee No.
Lee Oh, yeah, that's really I yeah.
Lee I don't get that at all.
Lee And I don't get her.
Lee She's got the thing with the hair and the judge has the bit with the hair as well, and I was like, is it?
Lee Is it?
Chris Like hair just get stuck.
Lee Is it like maybe she's like maybe she's so inbred that she's now like that, maybe, but again, that was me trying to work it out, watching it.
Lee And then gets to the end and I was like, I don't know.
Chris Something's on.
Chris Mint.
Adam Yeah.
Lee I don't know.
Adam Yeah.
Lee But I think that's.
Adam Well, maybe it's.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I think that's probably all we can say.
Lee On this film.
Lee It's,
Adam And also, I still, I've still to this day.
Adam Never worked out what is going on with the mum.
Adam Like the Clarissa's mother.
Lee No.
Lee Oh, yeah, that's really I yeah.
Lee I don't get that at all.
Lee And I don't get her.
Lee She's got the thing with the hair and the judge has the bit with the hair as well, and I was like, is it?
Lee Is it?
Chris Like hair just get stuck.
Lee Is it like maybe she's like maybe she's so inbred that she's now like that, maybe, but again, that was me trying to work it out, watching it.
Lee And then gets to the end and I was like, I don't know.


