Dreamcatcher
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In the second half of our Not For Everyone Podcast recommendations, we’re watching another Stephen King adaptation - 2003’s “Dreamcatcher”. A film in which Morgan Freeman’s eyebrows are designed to stop pigeons nesting; Damian Lewis auditions to play the Joker as Hugh Laurie; and Jason Lee just needs to leave those fucking toothpicks where they are! For a film about killer worms that burrow into your arse; “Dreamcatcher” has a remarkably glossy and expensive look, with a cast of big names. Written by King whilst high on painkillers, the story has a lot of similarities with his classic “It”, even down to its fictional location. Somehow though, the film manages to either take itself too seriously or not seriously enough, and may have been improved for amping up the (toilet) humour of the premise. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI am Adam.
Leeand we're here as previously advertised for 2003's Dreamcatcher following our Christmas delve into Stephen King and saying that you guys obviously hadn't seen this before.
Adam
LeeI have, I enjoy it, I know I shouldn't and I don't know why I enjoy it, but I do, so I wanted to get your input on it as well.
Leeso, yeah.
LeeThere will be spoilers, there will be swearing, I'm sure.
Leeso yeah, let's crack into it.
LeeWhat did you guys think?
ChrisYou go first, Adam.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYou should do as you haven't seen it, that's that's the rule.
AdamOkay.
Adam
AdamYeah.
Adam
AdamAn entertaining, entertaining enough film.
Adam
AdamI feel.
Adamthis was Bobby's by the way, this was Bobby of Not For Everyone's film that he mentioned that me and Chris had not seen, and yeah, it was yeah, an entertaining enough film, a film that I spent the first 40 minutes of going, this isn't as bad as people reckon.
AdamWhy are people moaning about this?
AdamAnd then it sort of takes a few choices and a few roads and stuff like that and you're like, oh yeah, I'm beginning to see the the wheels falling off this a bit.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, the the thing I would say is it reminded me.
AdamThat felt like someone trying to make a John Carpenter movie.
AdamBut.
AdamThey weren't John Carpenter.
AdamAnd it was 2003, so you had to make a two-hour film.
AdamBecause the way Claire watched it with me and her her take on it was that it was like watching a director's cut.
LeeYeah.
AdamBecause it was like there's a lot in here that feels like it's now in here because it's the director's cut rather than this is the theatrical version that's a bit more snappy.
ChrisNeeded.
AdamYou know.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut
AdamAnd the one thing I would say is it was the receiving a phone call on a gun.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo there were there was lots of stuff in this that I really fucking loved, I will say that.
AdamGetting a phone call on a gun made me realize should have this is basically they should have gone more the John Dies at the End route.
AdamAnd maybe not taking themselves as seriously or played up because basically it's people getting their arseholes called out by aliens.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
AdamAnd with farts and burps and everything.
ChrisIt seemed for me to go a bit Starship Troopers but still.
AdamStarship poopers is that.
ChrisExactly, yeah.
AdamI mean.
LeeYeah, like.
LeeIt was Slither without the humor.
ChrisYes, effectively.
AdamYes.
AdamBecause I think there's you've got a good cast who can do comedic stuff, I mean you've got like like Jason Lee is obviously perfect for something like that.
AdamAnd I did feel there were bits where it's like, oh, I wish he'd got Rick and Aide in for this, you know, when it's like they're fighting a shit weasel in the toilet.
AdamAnd like there's a man who's been farting.
AdamAnd belching his way to death.
ChrisWhat did they say just as they were, I don't want to see this it's like yeah, yeah.
AdamI'm.
ChrisThat suddenly stepped things up a bit.
AdamAlso, I mean.
AdamFucking hell.
AdamYou know, quite the cast.
AdamAll of whom I assume don't mention it that often.
Adam
ChrisI was surprised to see Morgan Freeman.
AdamMorgan Freeman was the weirdest one.
AdamEspecially because he's he's got like the top billing even though he's not.
LeeHe ain't up for 40 minutes.
ChrisYeah.
AdamHe basically doesn't show up within certain, yeah, within about 40 minutes.
ChrisAnd is it one of his strangest roles that I've seen him in?
AdamIt's his strangest fucking eyebrows I've seen him in.
LeeThey were huge.
AdamThey were fierce, they were attack eyebrows, I believe is the term.
AdamBut but weirdly enough.
ChrisHard eyebrows.
AdamIt was just, yeah, and you've got like.
AdamLike I said, you've got Jason Lee, you've got Tom Sizemore's in there, usually plays in slightly harder edge stuff.
AdamNot necessarily like harder edged in the sort of sense of like, you know, more realistic because we're talking stuff like.
Adamlike he's natural born killers and things like that.
AdamBut you know what I mean, stuff where it's like where his character will usually be in slightly more.
AdamYou know, it's it's rare to see him in a heroic role.
ChrisYeah.
AdamReally.
LeeTom Sizemore, who I also know is not Michael Madsen.
LeeBecause whenever I see him, I think and I had exactly the same as well with Thomas Jane, who I also know as not Christopher Lambert because.
AdamYeah, actually there is.
AdamYeah, because because Thomas Jane is probably, although he's like the the main sort of character.
AdamYou know, he's sort of he's not the biggest of the names.
AdamNo, sort of in this, but also he's in The Mist and he's in 1922.
AdamSo he's he does a lot of Stephen King stuff.
ChrisYeah.
LeeHe was excellent in this.
LeeI mean, yeah.
AdamOh yeah, no, I.
AdamI mean, I'll be honest, I mean, I was Morgan Freeman, it was like.
AdamThought you'd have gone for something a bit classier, Morgan.
AdamThat's kind of the role more than anything, you know what I mean?
AdamSo it was actually quite refreshing that he's like, oh no, this person is in the wrong and is, you know.
AdamHe's doing the right thing but doing the worst thing at the same time.
AdamSo it's like, yeah.
Adamso you do you need someone with some fucking chops for that.
AdamBut yeah.
AdamI think and when Jason Lee first appeared, I thought it was Elvis Costello.
AdamEven though I knew even though I knew that that was impossible for Elvis Costello in 2003 to look like Elvis Costello circa like.
Lee1985.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd also, I mean, and Damian Lewis, where it was like, that's why Damian Lewis is in it.
AdamBecause they needed someone to do a posh English accent.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it was a a bit like the a bit like the what's it called when we were saying with The Dark Half where I was like, I don't recognize the main actor.
AdamAnd what would he normally be doing?
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd actually, yeah, sort of like, you know, upper class smart ass is what I would expect of Damian Lewis.
AdamSo when.
AdamBut also weirdly, I think that that was that's that didn't quite work for me because.
AdamI think again, I I quote her regularly now, she's a much better commentator than I am on this.
AdamBut Claire said, do you think they showed this to James McAvoy?
AdamWhen he was doing Split and went.
AdamBut not like this.
LeeYeah.
LeeI mean I quite liked that, I mean I thought having the the other voice.
LeeWas quite a good way of differentiating between the two, I'd kind of forgotten about that, yeah, that he has conversations between himself and the alien which has taken over his body.
LeeAnd yeah, it's it's the only way of doing it I suppose to to separate off screen.
AdamOh yeah.
Leeyeah.
LeeAnd I thought it was.
AdamHe was just so he was just so jolly as Mr. Gray.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt was it was a.
AdamIt was a bit like if you'd got Hugh Laurie to do House.
AdamAnd then been Prince George.
LeeYeah.
AdamAs but as the villain, you sort of like, now and I sort of I've sort of gone there, I don't know, mate.
AdamTimothy Olyphant who I have to confess, I can never recognize.
AdamAnd I suspect that he is some form of animal, you know, it's an elephant.
AdamSo.
AdamBut
AdamYeah, this
AdamNo, I mean.
AdamI I mean again, I'm glad I've seen it.
AdamBut it's yeah, it is just sort of entertaining nonsense, I think is the best way of putting it without shadow of a doubt.
ChrisYeah.
AdamI was also, I mean, I was also quite, I was quite shocked for a second when it was like.
AdamOh, I thought Damian Lewis was in this a lot because he's quite credited quite high.
AdamAnd then apparently gets and then gets hit by the car right near the start.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd everything.
AdamBut once again, our intrepid author Mr. Stephen King.
AdamDo you know what had happened, can you guess what had happened to Stephen King just before he wrote this book?
LeeDid he possibly get hit by a car?
ChrisBy a car.
AdamThat's right, yes, yes he did.
AdamBecause everything is his meal.
ChrisBless him.
ChrisWrite write what you know about, yeah.
AdamYeah, and actually in his defense, well, not his defense, but he said about the book is it's he said.
AdamBecause obviously like The Dark Half was the last book he wrote before he like cleaned up completely.
Chris
AdamBut.
AdamWhen he wrote Dreamcatcher, he was off his fucking tits on oxycodone and painkillers.
AdamBecause because it was bad.
AdamHe had like a like basically this bloke plowed into him in a van while he was out walking one night.
Adam
Adamin 1999 that was.
Adam
AdamHit him with such force that King was flung over the top of the van into a ditch and his glasses end up on the passenger seat.
Chris
Adamhe had a 30 stitch gash on his forehead, four broken ribs, eight chips in his spine, two serious hip fractures and damage to most of the bones in his right leg including a split knee cap and an exploded tibia.
LeeBloody hell that's bad.
AdamAnd he had to be.
ChrisImagine being the person that did that.
ChrisLike.
AdamWell the guy who did that was was a chap called Brian Smith.
AdamWho had a long history of driving offenses, including driving under the influence and speeding.
Adamand apparently his defense in court was that he was distracted by his dog that was loose in the van.
Adamthey tried to get his license taken.
ChrisIt's not the best defense I've ever heard of.
AdamNo.
AdamIt's sort of like, I was driving dangerously.
ChrisHe's not.
AdamI thought I was drunk.
ChrisI was drunk.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYou're meant to do with that.
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's it but
AdamBut they they didn't get his basically he got six months in jail and a driving ban for a year.
AdamWhich apparently Stephen King was like, no, I'm we want to get his license.
AdamBut he played to a lesser charge or something like that.
Adam
AdamBut here's here's the bit where it gets weird and kooky and interesting.
AdamHe was found dead from an accidental overdose of painkillers on the 21st of September 2000, Stephen King's 53rd birthday.
ChrisOh.
AdamAnd they both shared the middle name, Edwin.
Lee
AdamAnd once again, apparently, this guy appears as a book in one of the Dark Tower's books.
AdamAs basically a pissed up bloke in a van who nearly hits Stephen King who is also in the Dark Tower books apparently.
AdamSo, yeah.
AdamIt was.
AdamOnce again.
LeeIt's such a.
AdamBut yeah, so that that sort of came in and it hit me as a third well hit Damian Lewis obviously, but.
AdamNo, hit me as a thing, I was like, oh, that's a bit of a, and then I was like, oh yeah, I remember now, yeah, you got hit by a.
LeeRight.
AdamYeah.
ChrisBut so but how close is this to his book?
LeeYeah.
LeeI I don't I'm assuming there's more links to the title because obviously it's called Dreamcatcher and there's a couple of references.
ChrisAnd they show you the dreamcatchers, yeah.
AdamWell, I had.
AdamI had a look into it, obviously I've not I've not read the book because there's a lot of Stephen King I haven't read, so I'm not starting with Dreamcatcher, a book that he is basically said.
AdamI was off my fucking tits on morphine.
AdamYou know, when I wrote that.
AdamThere's my excuse.
AdamHaving been sober for the best part of 20 years, or whatever he was.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd
AdamBut apparently yeah, the Morgan Freeman's character is called Colonel Kurtz, which is obviously an Apocalypse Now reference.
AdamWhich they changed to Curtis because they were
AdamBecause in fairness, that is a thing too far if you've also put in your actually got genuinely your film, we call this Ripley after the.
ChrisSo, yeah.
LeeYeah.
ChrisSo.
ChrisI mean that did seem really odd.
ChrisThat there was actual references to Alien.
AdamSo I suppose yeah, because because if he's called Colonel Kurtz and no one mentions it, at that point you're like.
AdamSo this exists in a universe where the film Alien was made, but the film Apocalypse Now wasn't.
ChrisWas it.
AdamYou know, for some reason.
AdamAnd yeah.
AdamAnd I'm but the apparently there's more backstory.
AdamBetween Morgan Freeman and Tom Sizemore's character.
AdamTo kind of.
AdamAnd I saw someone online saying that it makes it seem more it it it gives a better reason for why he would just go, well this bloke's psychic, so I'll follow him.
LeeYeah.
AdamApparently him and Morgan Freeman had beef back in the day and it was like, so he is kind of, you know, they're they're on a bit of a fuck you relationship anyway that doesn't sort of come across in it.
Adam
AdamAnd Dudits is not an alien.
Adamhe's just a boy with Down syndrome and.
ChrisOkay.
ChrisBut then how does he give them telepathic.
AdamOh, no, he's he's he's telepathic.
ChrisOh, okay.
AdamHe's he's he's he's a still a magical person, but apparently it's coincidental compared to the fact that there's aliens.
ChrisOkay.
AdamAnd I think it I think in the book also there's like there was something about it's only when.
AdamI think the reason it's called Dreamcatcher is because it turns out at the end that Jonesy was one of the people immune to the psychic control but did actually but thought he wasn't, so therefore Mr. Gray was able to control him.
AdamYeah.
AdamWhich yeah, I don't know.
ChrisBut but he was able to hide part of himself from Mr. Gray in in the mind warehouse which most people can't do, I guess.
LeeNo.
AdamNo.
ChrisJust getting taken over completely, yeah.
AdamYeah.
LeeSo what do you make of it, Chris?
Chrisyeah, you know, not too far from Adam's summation, it was definitely a lot of fun.
ChrisIt's one of those where when you start watching Stephen King, you know, you've you've definitely got expectations.
ChrisAnd this blew some of them away.
ChrisBecause it's like it started off and I was you know, it sort of reminds me of it the way they've they've got the friends and playing back and you know, and then the bullies.
ChrisAnd it's like.
ChrisI kind of like all that, that's, you know, and I like the way they stood up to them, that all seemed to to be pretty good.
ChrisSo you can kind of see how how they become friends, you know, and they stay good friends.
Chrisas they get older.
AdamIt shows that they're good people as well.
AdamYou know.
ChrisYeah, yeah, and so it's definitely explains the purpose later on.
Chris
ChrisBut then yeah, when it did kind of change, it's like it's definitely fun, but is it almost two different films.
ChrisAnd and it.
ChrisLike it is sci-fi, but how good is it sci-fi in a sense.
ChrisIt's like it's just hard to know if that blend of more serious Stephen King with the craziness is is the best.
Chris
ChrisBut that's where I was sort of thinking, I am still enjoying it.
ChrisSo.
ChrisIt's, you know, it's hard to know, I I kind of think I probably would need to watch it again.
ChrisTo to perhaps appreciate some of the some of the subtleties that might be in there.
ChrisI you know.
LeeI think.
LeeI think the reason it doesn't do so well is possibly because the two halves of the film feel so completely different.
ChrisWell, yeah.
LeeWhatever you're in the mood for.
ChrisNo, I yeah.
LeeThe film isn't what you're in the mood for.
AdamSo.
LeeSo.
LeeYou're never quite going to go.
LeeOh yeah, I'm quite in the mood for.
LeeYou know.
LeeI've just watched it, I'm in the mood for something similar.
ChrisYeah.
LeeIt isn't going to jump out, yeah.
ChrisIt's not.
LeeAnd if you just want to.
ChrisI wonder if you'd just watch it at the cinema.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisWould you come out going.
ChrisWhat did we just watch that.
AdamWell, the weirdest bit as well is that it's set in Derry, Maine, which is one of Stephen King's fictional towns that he has like Castle Rock and stuff like that and
AdamYeah.
AdamWhich is the same town that It happens in.
Chrisyeah.
AdamAnd it's like so Derry, Maine is really on like.
AdamIt's like an accident black spot for alien.
LeeYeah.
AdamIncursion.
AdamBecause that was the thing is watching it, I was kind of like I was sitting there thinking, you know, Stephen King doesn't really do sci-fi.
AdamAnd then I was like.
AdamOh no, It is sci-fi.
LeeYeah.
AdamBecause it is like it's like an interdimensional.
AdamAlien incursion kind of thing.
AdamBut but it's still in that sort of boat, so it's actually weird because it does feel like Stephen King's kind of.
AdamRedone it, but decided to make it with.
ChrisYeah.
AdamLoads of burp casts.
ChrisYeah.
AdamPretty much so.
ChrisBut yeah, but there's some really good scenes and, you know, there's some great moments.
ChrisThere's some great quotes.
ChrisI thought all the characters were fun and enjoyable to watch.
ChrisI'd say I didn't I wasn't too sure about Morgan Freeman's character because, I guess I've got a view of what I expect from him.
ChrisAnd that wasn't quite it.
ChrisI can't say I've seen him in that many films, but I probably think of him from Shawshank Redemption, which is also.
AdamYeah.
AdamIt's another Stephen King, isn't it?
ChrisYeah, and so, so that's what I expect.
ChrisWhen I see him.
Chrisso then it's like is it it's not I mean, maybe a little bit disappointment, but.
AdamThe the last film we did with him in it was Seven.
AdamWhere he is literally the voice of moral reason and decency.
ChrisLike.
ChrisBut but equally that's it like it was making me laugh partially because of all of this, so it's like, yeah, okay.
ChrisIn that regard, it's it's good, it's hard to say that I would rank it above other things.
ChrisYou know.
ChrisBut so yeah, so how did you first come across it, Lee?
ChrisWhat did you go see it in the cinema?
LeeNo.
LeeNo, I didn't.
LeeI I think it was one of those I used to have a habit back in the day of going on like eBay and going on to horror films and going from cheapest first and just scrolling through until something caught my eye.
LeeAnd I've got a feeling that's what this was.
LeeAnd I saw it and was like, oh, it's a Stephen King adaptation.
LeeI'll give it a go on on nothing more than that really.
Leeso I went in with no idea or expectations.
LeeAnd I was like, oh, yeah, that was interesting.
LeeAnd I just kind of forgot it existed for yeah, probably a decade.
LeeAnd then all of a sudden I was like, oh yeah, that was a, I think it was it's funny enough.
LeeI think it was when what was the vampire thing.
LeeThat Timothy Olyphant was in with Drew Barrymore.
AdamOh Santa Clarita Diet.
LeeI think it was when that came out.
LeeAnd I suddenly went, oh shit, I know him, he was in that weird Stephen King thing.
Leeyeah, so this is probably the fourth or fifth time I've seen this, I think.
AdamYeah.
AdamOkay.
Leebut yeah, it's only because every time I watch it and forget everything about it.
LeeAnd then I go.
ChrisYeah.
LeeOh, that was a weird.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeLike for sure would.
LeeI think the aliens turn up right at the end, but I don't remember what they look like.
LeeAnd every time I put it in and go, this is not what I remember ever.
LeeSo yeah.
AdamWell, that's that was the thing that it reminded me of as well.
AdamIs it had that sort of it had that X-Files sort of sheen to it.
AdamBut then I think that that was just such an ingrained thing by then by like 2003, that was like that right.
AdamThat's how every show is done like this.
AdamAnd because you obviously had the X-Files and then all the sort of rip offs after it like Dark Skies and the sort of stuff that all followed and it was all in this similar sort of vein.
AdamAnd it also had that slightly.
Adamshot in Vancouver film.
LeeYeah.
AdamThat you you know what I mean where it's like well it's we get cheaper rates there.
AdamI don't I don't know if it was shot in Vancouver or whatever, but it just had that sort of, yeah, just that sort of look to it a bit.
LeeYeah.
Adam
AdamAnd actually, I mean, in terms of like effects and everything else like that, okay, it's dated a bit, but I don't think there's anything in there that doesn't stand up and certainly didn't wasn't shonky at the time.
AdamI think it's just, you know, it's stuff that's just been surpassed really rather than, you know.
Adam
AdamBut I mean, I thought the the effect of the shit weasels was wonderfully gross and horrible and sort of yeah.
AdamAnd if anyone out there can tell me what that because when Jonesy would change into Mr. Gray.
AdamAnd he turned around, put his hood up and there was like noise.
ChrisYeah, there's a noise, yeah.
AdamLike I know that from somewhere else.
AdamAnd I'm sure that you know what I mean, it's obviously just online a sound effect thing somewhere.
AdamBut it's it was like I fucking know that noise.
AdamAnd I just could not place it.
AdamI was looking online, but I don't think clearly no one's as fucking weird as me to like.
AdamPicked up on a noise.
ChrisYeah, I mean it definitely stood out to me, but I couldn't place it.
LeeSome people are very weird.
LeeSome people apparently have such an obsession with toothpicks.
ChrisYeah.
AdamOh, fuck it.
ChrisThat they're willing to try and.
LeeWhy wasn't it cigarettes?
LeeOr so.
LeeLike I'd understand it if it was cigarettes and he was a chain smoker and he had to get so, but it was just it's just a toothpick.
LeeAnd it's on that disgusting floor.
ChrisBut when you get addicted to something, it doesn't matter what it is.
ChrisBut yeah.
ChrisLike you would.
Adam
ChrisOh, that's it.
AdamClaire will often Claire will often voice at a certain point that, well, that's it, you're stupid, I don't care, I hope you die during moments in horror films.
AdamAnd that was definitely one for her and she was like, I like this character, but no, this is fucking stupid.
AdamWhy can't you die?
ChrisAddiction does make you a bit stupid though, doesn't it?
LeeEven if he'd kept it in the toilet and got that toothpick, that would still have been what killed him eventually.
LeeBecause the.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWell.
LeeThe bacteria.
ChrisYeah.
LeeOn that.
ChrisOh, no.
LeeFloor.
LeeI was like, you're definitely going to be dead in six months of, you know, dysentery or God knows what.
LeeSo like.
AdamIt was a.
ChrisI mean, not after the guy before's even had to come out of him.
ChrisHe's like.
LeeYou're not.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYou wouldn't want to rush.
ChrisTo where you've been already.
AdamThere was a bit later on where someone like just exploded a box of matches and I was like, what is it with you little on tiny bits of wood?
AdamI can't fucking pee together guys.
AdamCome on.
AdamI know he's given I know Dudits gave you psychic powers, but you lot are shit at very small pieces of wood.
AdamAnd actually.
AdamThat was another thing because because in my head I'd gone like, oh well, he's been hit in a car crash.
AdamAnd he's really injured and everything because that's what happened to Stephen King.
AdamThere was also a part of me that was going, after after after he recovered, was Stephen King doing a lot of DIY at home?
AdamBecause there are at least three different scenes of people walking around a shed looking for something and getting really fucking hacked off.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd I just thought, is this is this what happened at home?
AdamYou know, you've got a burst pipe or something.
AdamI'm fucking I'm just fucking duct tape here somewhere.
AdamBut.
LeeThe character I associated when which I think probably says more about me than it should, or than I should put out there on a recording and the, is the when that they when he leaves Timothy Olyphant with that woman.
LeeAnd as he walks off, he says, whatever you do, don't go back to the car for the beer, just stay here and watch her.
LeeAnd you see him disappear beyond the trees and I was like, the second he's out of you.
LeeI'd be like.
LeeThere's a 50% chance I'm going to die and there's a load of beer 100 yards away, I don't I'm if she dies in the meantime, I couldn't have saved her anyway.
LeeI'm going for that beer.
LeeLike.
AdamYeah.
AdamI think you're probably and on the basis of what happened to him.
AdamYeah.
AdamHe should have just gone and got it.
AdamAnd actually, that was another bit as well where it was fucking beaver and Jonesy with the fucking thing trapped in the toilet.
AdamWhere he like had to come back and make a quip and it was like.
AdamNo, that was not the fucking time.
LeeYeah.
AdamBecause that's.
AdamThe thing is, I think you can joke that was the bit that was like, yeah, but the absurdity of the situation because I think they got it right as well where they would just like.
AdamLaughing and slightly awkward every time he was farting and belching, you know, and everything else like that.
AdamBut.
AdamYeah, I think that they just they.
AdamThey should have just doubled down on it and just gone, no, we know this is fucking mental.
AdamBut this this it felt a bit like it was like, no, no, we can do it we can do it properly and it's like.
AdamMorgan Freeman's got eyebrows that are there to prevent pigeons nesting on him.
AdamAnd people are getting their bum holes caught out by like toot eels.
ChrisI did wonder when he came back to make to make the joke.
ChrisWas it because he knew there's a chance he was not going to stay seated?
ChrisAnd it's like.
LeeYeah.
ChrisI'm trying to reinforce this.
ChrisAnd it still didn't stay seated.
AdamThe weirdest part was, and I'm going to count the I'm going to count a bit of watching Star Wars earlier with Ted as research.
AdamI'm going to claim it for that.
ChrisWhich Star Wars.
Adamit was Desimpia back and strike as the Europeans call it.
Adambut
AdamSo the director of this is a guy called Lawrence Kasdan, and he's done films like, he directed Body Heat, White, the Accidental Tourist.
AdamBut and get this, he wrote The Empire Strikes Back, the Return of the Jedi, the Force Awakens, Solo a Star Wars story and Raiders of the Lost Ark.
ChrisYeah.
LeeOh.
ChrisI kind of thought I'd recognize his name when you said it.
AdamYeah.
AdamBecause I knew the name and I was like, I must have seen something and I was like, I don't think I've seen any of his actual directed films, but yeah.
AdamHe's like just wrote most of the.
ChrisI wondering now, was was the sound effect for the hood, putting his hood up?
ChrisI wonder if.
AdamI wonder if it's a Star Wars effect.
AdamBecause both of us have clearly just.
ChrisIt was a bit.
AdamYeah, stuck in there.
LeeI think that this.
AdamIt could well be.
LeeThis film is clearly written as you say in a drug-induced state.
LeeBut like the the directing of it was pretty good.
LeeI like I thought he did a really good job.
AdamOh, no, I I have no problem with the way it was directed at all.
AdamI think it was, you know, it it it looked the part.
AdamI think it's probably just a bit long.
LeeYeah, it definitely needed a proper edit.
LeeBut again.
LeeI think there's so much going on, I don't you're right, it's one of those things where you say two and a quarter hours is way too long.
LeeBut then you think, yeah, but what would I cut out necessarily?
LeeI'm not sure.
AdamActually, in fairness, two and a quarter hours, but I still think at that point if you had the rest of the film.
AdamTwo and a quarter hours turns out to be very short because that is a hell of a fucking.
AdamFull stop.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, you you need a bit more.
AdamYou know, on that.
AdamEven if it's just a voiceover from Morgan Freeman to say.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut we've we've stopped the aliens.
AdamAnd everything was fine.
AdamOr you know.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt was literally within, you know, that they killed the big bad and less than 10 seconds later the film's over.
LeeYou're like.
LeeWhoa.
LeeJesus.
AdamAnd they do that weird thing in the credits where it was just like, oh, well, just show them all sitting around a table having a lot it's like what to remind us that all but one of them has been fucking killed.
AdamOr two of them have been killed, but there's been a lot of.
AdamYou know, drilled out bits and spores and so on and so forth.
AdamAnd that
AdamI it's unfortunate because I think the CGI would be better now.
AdamBut I did love the.
AdamAnimals running through the just just as a concept, that would just be.
LeeYeah.
AdamShit.
LeeYes.
LeeI mean it's.
AdamSomething.
LeeGoing on.
AdamAlthough again, this was something that Claire discussed, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of animals running past here, including bears.
AdamI'd get back inside the house.
LeeYeah.
AdamBecause I know that they're clearly worried.
AdamBut they're fucking bears.
AdamAnd I don't want to I don't want to mess with a bear.
AdamOn a good day.
AdamAnd this is clearly not a good day for this bear.
AdamSo.
Leeyes, so it's to surmise.
LeeIt's a, I mean, I think it's a loose recommend.
LeeI think if you if you're at a loose end and it's on TV, watch it.
LeeLike I don't.
ChrisNo, I.
ChrisI absolutely enjoyed watching it.
ChrisYeah, I just don't quite know what to make of it now.
LeeLike.
AdamAnd for Stephen King fans, I think it's very close.
AdamYou know.
AdamI I gather that.
ChrisYeah.
LeeKingism.
ChrisYeah.
AdamIt's got enough it's got a lot of his hall marks in there, including including fucking psychotic bullies, you know, in flashback.
AdamSo.
Leeright.
LeeSo we are going to be returning in a fortnight's time as usual with our what we've been watching.
Leeand then after that, we are going to instead of doing a two-part month, we are going to do three episodes back to back.
LeeAdam has come up with an excellent point.
LeeIt's 20 years since Shaun of the Dead has come out, we've managed to make it nearly 200 episodes and we haven't covered it yet, so it's definitely well overdue.
ChrisYou got to save some some gold for.
ChrisLater on.
AdamSome fright gold.
LeeYeah.
Leeso we are going to be covering in the subsequent three episodes the Cornetto Trilogy.
Lee
LeeWhich, you know what, it doesn't matter what mood I'm in, it doesn't matter what time of day it is, I can sit down and put any of those films on and have a great time.
LeeSo I'm really looking forward to doing this.
LeeI think it's a great idea.
ChrisIt turns a bad day into a good day and a good day into a great day.
AdamHey.
LeeVery much.
AdamCan can we use that as just the quote for the podcast?
LeeThat's.
LeeRight, so thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.
Leepossibly go and check out Dreamcatcher.
LeeBut, you know, don't.
LeeDon't go nuts.
Lee
AdamWhat, watch it.
AdamDon't pay for it.
LeeYeah.
LeeI think that's a that's a good.
AdamIf it's on telly.
AdamIf it's on telly, definitely watch it.
ChrisIf I just turned it on, I would I would leave it on absolutely.
ChrisI'd be like, yeah, I'm going to this is this is got my attention, definitely.
LeeI mean.
LeeI don't regret the 1.50 or whatever it cost me to buy it in the first place, so.
LeeRight, yes.
LeeThanks ever so much for listening, everybody.
LeeGo and check out the not for everyone podcast.
LeeAnd.
LeeWe will see you in a fortnight's time for all the shit we've been watching in between.
LeeThanks very much.
LeeGood night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night.
