Dracula
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Stop! Hammer Time! And that means a proper classic as the team enjoys 1958’s “Dracula” (or “Horror of Dracula” in the USA). A film in which we learn that vampires cannot transform themselves into animals, especially on a tight budget; Peter Cushing doesn’t fuck about when using a hammer; and if you can’t say it with flowers - scream it with garlic. Along the way we discuss “In The Earth”, “Army of the Dead”, “The Visitor” and “Ash Vs Evil Dead”. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES -CURRENT QUARANTINE MEASURES MEANT WE HAD TO RECORD THIS EPISODE REMOTELY.
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Lee
LeeGood evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamAnd I'm Adam.
LeeAnd we are here finally to cover a film that as Adam pointed out quite rightly, we should definitely have covered a very long time ago.
ChrisAbout six years ago.
Leewe are here.
AdamAround 100 episodes ago, I think.
Leeso we are here to cover the original Hammer Dracula, or Horrors of Dracula for those of you in the US.
Leebut before we get too excited and go off on a tangent about how much we love Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee, which spoiler alert, that's happening, and Michael Gough, bloody Nora.
AdamYes.
LeeSo before we get into all that,
LeeChris, what have you been watching since our last recording?
ChrisWell, what I'm going to say here might upset some people, other people may say, good on you, great job.
ChrisWe thought we'd finished with Marvel, but we started watching the the Wanda Vision episodes on Disney Plus because like, oh, there it's there. Look, let's press play, let's check it out. It looks a bit weird. All right.
ChrisAnd it is a bit weird, but it does also show what you can do when you change from a movie format to episodes, because I think you can try things, as we saw with Mandalorian, that you otherwise might not quite want to try or would just wouldn't work in a film.
ChrisSo, it does let you explore a lot more options and I do think what they did was it was original enough.
ChrisI mean, I don't know, do either of you know anything about it?
LeeNo, I haven't seen it.
AdamI kind of know, I know the context of it, but equally, I know that it comes with a lot of MCU back story that I'm not privy to, so.
ChrisI would say I think, I think you can enjoy it without knowing much. They do kind of explain as you go.
ChrisBecause it is, it's sort of filling in a back story, so it's it's not like you need to know all of the other characters.
ChrisIt it kind of just teaches you more about Wanda and a bit about vision, but you can, yeah, you may already know him.
ChrisBut so it was interesting, it was quite meta, almost like, like double meta, I don't know.
ChrisBecause it's yeah, and it's very difficult to say much without giving it away.
Chris
AdamBut I know that they I know that it kind of moves through eras of American television or American sitcoms. Yeah, which you'd say, well, how can they possibly do that?
AdamI mean, how do you fit that into the story in a way that makes any sense?
ChrisBut they do, and I I totally didn't see it coming the way it did.
Chrisbut yeah, I I thought it worked.
ChrisAnd and as it went on, it also gets darker towards the end.
ChrisSo, it's it's yeah, it's a lot more fun to begin with.
Chrisand and yeah, and it ended well and so overall, by the end, I I did enjoy it.
Chrisprobably I'd say a lot more than I expected to. I thought after seeing the first episode it was going to be, yeah, this will be a bit of fun.
ChrisBut it did it did manage to build it enough that I was quite happy and quite glued to it all the way through.
ChrisSo I would recommend it if you like MCU, but also if you want to see something a bit different and if you like seeing those eras of TV.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamSounds.
LeeSee a lot.
AdamI'd like to see an American I'd like to see an English program tackle it where they sort of go through are you being served and then nice start of a bit and start off with Hancock then go step to cancer and are you being served and then duty free.
AdamYou know, let's let's get really crap with the sitcoms, shall we?
AdamAnd radio show, you know, they could really sort of go.
ChrisRising damp.
AdamBut I I agree with you, Chris, I think like with The Mandalorian,
Adamthat that I think a lot of these things because there's so much in them, probably would work better moving towards a TV format.
AdamBut it's that limited series thing that seems to be the point.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBecause the ones because all the other ones like the stuff like what is it like Arrow and things like that where people are sort of like, yeah, they're okay or whatever.
ChrisBut I think that had a lot of episodes did it because I didn't actually I didn't watch any of that.
AdamYeah, I but I think that's the thing is they're sticking to the old format of right, we're a TV show, so we do like 20 odd episodes for seven like a year for seven years or something like that.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWhereas actually, you know, you're probably better off sticking to like.
ChrisShorter, sweet.
AdamYeah, like Game of Thrones or Mandalorian, like do eight really good fucking episodes, because then you've still you've still fulfilled more time than you would get in a movie.
ChrisYeah, absolutely.
AdamBut you're not sort of having to fill stuff or sort of put placeholders in and.
ChrisWell, when that I think that freedom of not having to fit to an exact time length per episode, probably is quite nice from a writer's perspective.
AdamI there's so many things that it works well with.
AdamI mean, like even something that's a bit more traditional like Mind Hunter, there were a few episodes of that where they were they were shorter than the hour or whatever.
AdamAnd it just made sense because it was like, that's all this case is.
ChrisYeah, adding anything else just waters it down.
AdamYeah, and it bunging anything else in you, you're just going to be aware that it's padding. So.
AdamI'd like to see a lot more TV go that route.
AdamAnd it it makes so much sense with stuff like Black Mirror.
AdamLike anthology stuff.
AdamBecause it's like sometimes you might have an hour and a half worth of story, you might only have 25 minutes on another one.
AdamIt would yeah, so.
LeeNo, I agree for Black Mirror, it it does work perfectly.
LeeAnd I, you know, it's as you say, it does it is nice that stuff's on demand now and we've had that opportunity that's never been there before. yeah, and it it just and it it it makes what should be how many times have you watched something and thought that would be a great episode of something for 35 minutes, but they've made it an hour because that's how long the show is.
LeeAnd it totally ruins it if you start sticking out to pad in and so yeah.
AdamI mean, you can I've been I've been rewatching I've been rewatching a lot of old Doctor Who and you can see there's certain ones where they would have cliffhangers and recaps.
AdamAnd sometimes they might recap like the last 10 minutes of the previous episode.
AdamYou're like, right, you had 15 minutes for this episode, didn't you?
AdamBut you've just bunged in like the previous 10.
AdamSo, yeah, definitely the I mean, there's something to be said I suppose for the discipline of it.
AdamThat you know you've got to fill a certain amount of time.
AdamBut equally, yeah, if you've got imagine if you've got some.
AdamLike let's face it, it's like short films, there's so many short films that are then, oh, well, this is the short film that we made.
AdamHere's the hour and a half and you're like, the short was better.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou did this really well in 15 minutes and scare the crap out of me, but I'm fucking bored at an hour and a half.
LeeThat's why I was so pleased when that Kung Fury came out, you know, a few years back, they did the 5 minute version, got the crowd funding, the feature length come out, 35 minutes.
LeePerfect, in out, done. If you'd made it an hour and a half, it would have been terrible, but for 35 minutes, it was absolutely perfect.
AdamBecause I think there's there's definitely something to be said for it with comedy, definitely.
AdamBecause I think there's so many things where you can just be, yeah, we've got the joke now.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd yeah, I'll see you going to do right, okay. Yes.
Lee
LeeSo Adam, what have you been watching since our last union?
Adamwell, I, there's a new, there's a new episode of the Occultaria of Albians podcast, which actually dropped today, and because that's what all the cool kids say, and it's our very own, Mr. Wesley Sith from Mos Eisley, Happy Hour is a guest on it.
ChrisOh, right, excellent.
Adamrecounting recounting a true life a true life tale of one of when he had like a a UFO sighting.
AdamAnd yeah, no, it was just just it was just good to hear him.
AdamSo, yeah, but
AdamBut I mean, yeah, the the episodes are they're still they're still a great podcast as well.
AdamBut yeah, it was just like, oh, bloody out, just out of the blue suddenly.
AdamWell, I didn't expect to hear him today.
AdamSo that that was yeah, that that was good. the I've watched.
AdamFinally watched I got round to watching something I bought in an arrow sale ages ago, the film called The Visitor.
AdamParticular favorite of Bobby from not for everyone podcast.
AdamNot it has to be said a favorite of Adams from not for everyone podcast.
AdamBecause having watched it, I went back and listened to the episode, I really couldn't remember the episode at all.
AdamBut I'd obviously, I had heard it.
AdamAnd
Adamyeah, Adam's take on it is that Bobby's main reason to for enjoyment was how pissed off he was with the film.
LeeSo.
AdamBut yeah, very, very strange like Italian, Italian made kind of horror Sci-fi possibly.
Adama bit like someone's basically someone obviously just went the Exorcist, that's big, isn't it?
AdamThe Omen, that's big, isn't it?
AdamCocaine, that's great, isn't it?
AdamAnd melded the three and basically wrote this script and, I mean it is.
AdamIt's beautifully just mental, it's it makes no fucking sense.
AdamAnd it's there are, yeah, there's there are birds in it, some of whom reveal that they have knives that come out of them and look like decoy ducks.
AdamThere are the film director.
AdamTwo film directors, Sam Peckinpah and John Huston, and John Huston has like a starring role in it for and he he's, you know, he's he's an older man of a certain gravitas.
AdamI mean, he's he kind of strikes the same sort of figure as say, Christopher Lee does as Count Dooku, you know, like an older, a much older man, you know, not necessarily at his physical peak.
AdamAnd they give him like fucking Starsky and Hutch action music every time he appears and it's just it's an old geezer walking along in a white printed suit.
AdamYou know, it's not.
AdamIt's that they've sort of added a dynamic to it.
AdamThey there is oh, Lance Henriksen's in it, they've cast a girl obviously on the basis that she looks a bit like Linda Blair.
AdamAnd she is possibly the most like on purpose horrible child in a horror movie.
Adamshe is absolutely horrible child.
Adamand there's God and the devil and Jesus and a satanic cult who are financed by basketball.
AdamAnd there's ice skating fight scenes where the little girl throws teenage boys twice her size through fucking windows.
Adam
AdamThere's it's just fucking mental. It genuinely is. I really enjoyed it.
AdamBut, yeah, it's it's definitely not for everyone. It it's it's like.
AdamIt's it almost has that thing of you're like, have I fallen asleep and missed a bit of explanation, or is there a better print of this where they've got more plot in or did they cut this for some reason?
AdamAnd yeah.
AdamSo that was, that was remarkable, barmy, yeah, I I mean, I fucking enjoyed it, but yeah.
AdamGood mighty, it is a a right oddity.
Adamand yeah, and by the end of it, I'm not entirely sure who the visitor is.
AdamSo, you know, I think it's John Houston, but he's mind not be.
AdamBut yeah, so and I told Bobby I'd watched it and he waxed lyrical about about it as well, so we've been holding a mutual appreciation society for The Visitor on WhatsApp.
Adam
Adamthe other film that I got, finally got to see because it's been out in the states for a while, but it's actually finally released over here, is Ben Wheatley's new film In the Earth.
Adamand Lee, you've you watched this as well.
LeeI have.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd I think very much much more in the line of sort of Kill List and Field in England.
AdamIt's much more in his sort of folk horror territory than anything else.
Adam
Adamlike it the best way I can describe it is it's and it's made me want to cover Annihilation on the show.
AdamBecause I don't know if we'd cover in the earth on the show.
Adamnecessarily, but I feel it has a lot in common with Annihilation, but it's like, it's like you made Annihilation, but on with with no money.
LeeI was going to say exactly the same thing. It's if the BBC did a TV special of Annihilation.
AdamYeah, it's like it's actually what it feels like is this feels like it's the 1970 like the 1983 original TV series that then someone made big budget in the states later, but it's come afterwards.
AdamAnd it's yeah, it's a very a very sort of trippy.
Adamwith very, very small cast, a really good fucking cast.
AdamI have to say, I think there's I don't know if you found this leak because I mean, obviously, I don't want to give too much away because it's literally just come out.
AdamAnd I, I mean, I encourage people to see it.
Adambecause I did I did enjoy it.
AdamI think it gets a bit bogged down when they reach the second encampment.
LeeYes.
LeeI I I agree.
AdamThere's a lot of exposition.
LeeAnd for a film that's only an hour and a half, it felt a lot longer than it was.
LeeI
AdamIt was an hour and 45 actually.
LeeOh, an hour and 45.
AdamBut still, still it it does feel longer than that, yeah.
LeeI think I've I've come to the decision following this film that I've seen all the Ben Wheatley I need to see.
Lee
AdamYeah, Sightseers still win for you.
LeeYeah, it's another one of those.
LeeLike when when he got to the end of it, Jennifer said, okay, so what was it about it that you didn't like? And I was like, I can't put my finger on it. I just didn't it just didn't click for me.
LeeI mean, it's it's one of the greatest casts.
LeeThe cast was absolutely incredible.
Leebut it just did absolutely nothing for me and I don't know why.
AdamBecause it's it's a weird thing as well because you get that sort of you get that real momentum.
AdamBecause you've got like basically basically the the the plot is a research scientist is looking to join up with a former colleague and as it turns out, former girlfriend.
Adamwho is doing research out in the world and it's actually it's set during probably COVID.
AdamThey don't make they don't make that a they don't state definitively it's that.
AdamBut everyone is social distancing and wearing face masks and stuff.
AdamAnd basically they filmed it during the COVID outbreak.
AdamSo they make a.
ChrisThat's that's quite.
ChrisThat's quite nice.
AdamYeah, so they they make a sort of they make a sort of Boon of that in a way.
AdamIs that there's already the sort of and so, yeah, basically there's this research scientist and it's people who are looking for a cure to whatever it is that is plaguing the world, whether it be COVID or whether it be a different viral outbreak or something like that.
ChrisSo could that have been something to do with it, Lee? Was it just seemed a bit too real?
AdamOr no.
AdamWell, I don't want to speak for you, sorry, yeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeNo, I say it wasn't it wasn't that because the as Adam said, that the the sort of the pandemic that's going on is just a plot point to get them to wear the it sort of kicks off.
LeeSo the whole thing doesn't hinge on that, it could work just as well without the pande, but it just made it very easy for them to say, right, this is why everything's so encapsulated and why there's nobody about because it's during lockdown so people aren't going out or moving around so much.
Lee
ChrisYeah, I go.
LeeYeah.
LeeAnd I say and I mean it's it it did some very good.
LeeThe gore and stuff.
LeeLike I I literally the cringy bits, I was sit I kept pulling my knees up to my chest at because it was so gory.
LeeIt was brilliant.
AdamBecause I I can't remember the actor's name, but the main the the main like the main character.
Adambasically, they put him through it.
AdamYes.
AdamThere is a lot of there, you know, he he is brutalized.
AdamAnd it's
AdamBut I mean, I liked and and basically, yeah, so they they go out into the woods and it's meant to be that they've got to reach this camp where this scientist is who's stopped communicating with anyone.
AdamSo they're looking to find out what's happened and everything.
AdamAnd it's a she's deep in the forest and it's like two days journey to get there.
AdamI did look it up and I believe that it is because they say, oh, well, the only way we can reach it is on foot.
Adam
Adambut I believe that apparently in mainland, England, they in mainland UK, you're only about six miles from a road at any point.
LeeOh, really?
AdamSo I'm not entirely sure about the two day thing.
AdamBut, you know,
Adamit was just something I had to sort of I because I was like, a two days walk.
AdamI mean, here, you you know what I mean, you sort of.
AdamBut anyway, so suspension of disbelief not withstanding.
Adambut yeah, and when they and basically it's him and a park ranger, and they and she's she's directing him to sort of like and they go in.
AdamAnd then they meet whom Reece Shearsmith who is playing a man who supposedly is just someone who lives on the land who is not meant to be there, but, you know, that's it.
AdamAnd he offers to help because they've been attacked and injured, and yeah, basically you then get like a sort of.
Adama domestic UK version of Wolf Creek for about 30 minutes, where this guy basically just fucks with them.
Adamthen they go and meet the they they finally sort of escape from him, go and meet the the scientist and it's all about either using art or science to communicate with the spirit of the forest.
AdamAnd,
Adamthere's I mean, as you can imagine, the electronica was right up my street of yes, strobe lights and blast.
AdamAnd it does have such a sort of trippy their parts of it that are pure sort of like hallucinatory sort of feeling to it.
AdamVery much like Field in England.
Adam
AdamI mean, I I definitely I definitely think I I mean, I definitely recommend it.
AdamI did enjoy it.
AdamAs I say, I think it has a bit of a stumbling in the middle.
Adamwhere it sort of slows its pace.
Adamand I can't quite explain why that happens.
Adambut all in all, I think it was a really enjoyable film and you get a there's one one character who stands out as a very remarkably capable person.
AdamWhereas everyone else is either fucking mad or just not right for this sort of a situation.
AdamSo,
Adam
Adambut yeah, and but I mean, the fact that he, the fact they did it in the pandemic and I mean, what, there's six people in the cast, I suppose.
LeeYeah.
AdamSix or seven.
AdamAnd but still, you know, you do get this coherent thing, but it is like like we said.
AdamIt's really made me want to do Annihilation on here.
AdamBecause it's just made me want to rewatch Annihilation.
Adam
Adambecause it has a very similar has a very similar thing, but Annihilation is on a different sort of a different scale certainly budgetarily.
AdamAs well as for the extraordinary.
AdamWhereas this I think this is much more about, well, yeah, we're we're communicating with the spirit in the forest, but at the end of it, maybe there is no spirit of the forest.
AdamWhereas in Annihilation, no, weird shit is happening. That is genuinely a shark crocodile.
AdamAnd that is a man-made of flowers.
AdamSo, you know, it's sort of.
AdamIt's it's sort of yeah, it's sort of tipped me onto that thing, I think.
ChrisSo I'm just having a look at Ben Wheatley's filmography list and so we we watched Kill List, you said this is also brutal, similar to Kill List. Yeah, like I I didn't necessarily think of it.
AdamIt's not as brutal and I think also the difference is in Kill List, there's not really, I mean, Michael Smiley's character is probably the nearest you get to a like a likable character in it.
Adamwhereas whereas this actually you do.
AdamYou are rooting for the heroes because they are good people or you know what I mean.
AdamThey're Whereas Kill List, obviously you've got a a family, basically a firm of hit people.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo, you know, in terms of actual sort of identification, it's sort of a bit, yeah.
Adam
ChrisBut so it's so it's first film down Ter, I've not heard you mention that. Sightseers you said Lee's favorite and then you've just mentioned a Field in England as being very good.
AdamA Field in England, which again is his the first film that he did with Reece Shearsmith.
AdamAnd a Field in England again is it's kind of a horror, but it is also piss funny.
ChrisYeah, okay.
AdamDespite being like a black and white civil war era, psychedelic Western in the UK with magic.
ChrisThat's a reasonable feature.
AdamYou know, there's a lot going on.
ChrisAnd then Sightseers is also a black comedy, is it?
AdamYes, yeah.
ChrisYeah, okay.
LeeHave you not seen Sightseers, Chris?
ChrisNo, I remember, I think, I guess it was the time when you watched it.
ChrisAnd I remember you saying, it's great.
ChrisYou should definitely watch it.
AdamI think I think that's something we might need to cover as well.
AdamYeah, we might need to do on the show.
AdamIf if only so we can welcome to horror, but it definitely needs watching.
AdamIt's it's got brutal killings in it.
AdamThat's why it's got.
LeeThat's true.
LeeThat is true.
ChrisWe don't you know, we don't watch tons of those, so it's reasonable to put one in there now and then.
AdamAnd then, then he did, he did High-Rise, which I I liked.
AdamA lot of people didn't and I can understand why.
AdamBut I really my thing is, I really love the book anyway.
ChrisOkay.
AdamSo for me it was like, Ben Wheatley's doing a like he's adapting High-Rise, I'm probably going to be on board for that.
AdamAnd then he did he did Free Fire.
AdamHave you seen Free Fire?
ChrisFree Fire.
LeeNo.
AdamWhich is basically, I mean, it's not it's not like world shattering or anything else like that.
AdamBut it is just a really funny film about a shootout.
AdamWhere basically it's a lot of very stupid, very incapable people firing guns at each other for about an hour and a half.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, that's that's that's
AdamIt's entertaining, but it's definitely not a it's not like an essential movie, it's not a rush out and see job.
Adam
AdamAnd actually he did a adaption of Rebecca as well.
AdamWhich kind of which I'm still not seen.
AdamI'm I'm beginning to suspect that that is going to be like my version of The Straight Story, like it's the only David Lynch film I've never seen because basically everyone said, oh, it's nice and it's got a linear plot and it's not weird.
AdamWell, fuck off then.
AdamThat's not why I go to David Lynch for.
AdamYou're fucking telling me about that.
AdamAnd Rebecca seems like a bit of a hide and nothing because it's like, so you're going to do an adaption of an adaption of something that when Alfred Hitchcock adapted it, it's his only Oscar best picture.
AdamAnd,
Adamyeah, that seemed a bit of a hide and nothing to just sort of like do it.
AdamAnd I don't know, I think it might have just been because Netflix were releasing it because I know Ben Wheatley said it's like it's the film that more most people have seen of his.
AdamBecause it because it's on Netflix, you know, far more than have seen any of his other films.
AdamApparently the next film he's doing, though, is The Meg 2.
LeeYeah, so I just seen that on his IMDB.
LeeIt's interesting, I guess.
AdamYeah, well, apparently he just was like, well, I really like the Meg one.
AdamI'm going to get to meet Jason Statham.
AdamSo.
LeeGood a reason as any.
LeeOh, actually, yes, speaking of films that are yet coming up, Rob Zombie, of course, has confirmed during this week that he is doing The Munsters is his next feature.
AdamYes.
Lee
LeeYeah, I I said at the time I wasn't sure how I feel about it and I've had more time to mull it over.
LeeAnd I still don't know how I feel about it, so.
Leeeither way, I'm going to enjoy it, or either way, I'm going to watch it and nobody's going to take my box set away from me, so that's fine.
LeeWhether I like it or not, it's fine.
AdamI think that's what we've got to go down the route of is in the end, it's like, well, it can't it can't necessarily harm, you know, it doesn't detract from or harm the original.
Adam
ChrisAnd because if that was the case, obviously we would be already saying about The Munsters today, which was a which was like pissing into the old grave of Lily Herman Grandpa.
ChrisThat's funny.
ChrisThough, isn't it because sometimes people do feel like things detract from others they like, obviously we could say with George Lucas changing Star Wars that kind of detracts and not giving you the original, yeah, there is right, so I definitely get that, that's sort of a special case, but but you know, yeah, the idea that something should ruin something else seems kind of odd to me, but.
LeeI think it's that thing of like, it's like I got it to a degree when all the torture porn you stuff come out because obviously I'm into horror and it's never it's not really been that kind of super mainstream and then Hostile and those films came out and they became very mainstream and as soon as you said I like horror, everybody immediately went, oh, like that hostile.
LeeAnd I was like, no, not like and I think that's what it is, I think if you love something and then a shit version comes out, everybody goes, oh, yeah, the Karate Kid, that one with Jackie Chan.
LeeNo, don't make me punch you in the throat, the original, who's going to watch the remake?
LeeAnd I think it's that, I think it's the kind of it it it gives other people a watered down version of what you like and it's like, it's yeah.
LeeSo.
AdamYeah, it's kind of if it supersedes the original.
LeeYeah, in popularity and not quality.
AdamIf you Google Dawn of the Dead, the first one that comes up is the Zack Snyder what the Zack Snyder one.
AdamRather than the George Romero one.
AdamAnd it's yeah, and I.
AdamThat I think also I think this is funnily enough, this was something I was thinking about the other day. I think it's also whenever it's people bring up the sequel.
AdamIt's like, Terminator is an incredible fucking movie.
AdamTerminator 2 is an incredible fucking movie.
AdamEverything else afterwards should have been shot at birth.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it's so and it's like, oh, I don't know, even like Indiana Jones where it's like, he's now doing a fifth one.
AdamThey're now doing a fifth Indiana Jones.
AdamYou're like.
AdamHe did a fourth one that was pretty poor.
ChrisWhat is the chance that this is going to be bad? It might be, but.
AdamWell, especially because I know Harrison Ford has stated it was like, oh, well, I want to do it before I'm too old to do another sequel.
AdamAnd you're like.
AdamYou are nearly 80. I think you might already be too old to be Indiana.
ChrisTo give him his choose, he's he's doing well, but.
AdamI mean, he looks good that there's no there's no doubt on that.
AdamBut still, I think it's.
AdamIt's also that thing when it's, you know, even if they de-age him, he's still going to walk like he's crapped himself.
AdamYeah.
AdamThat's what happens when you get old.
AdamYou either crap yourself, or you walk like you've crapped yourself.
AdamEither way, you're walking.
ChrisHe's going to be de-aged as well, that would be the thing, wouldn't it?
AdamYeah.
AdamI I mean, there's no cast mentioned for for for for for for for for for.
AdamNo, I know.
AdamYeah.
AdamNo, yeah, Munsters.
AdamYeah, or anything.
AdamLet's face it, we know that Sheri Moon is going to play Lily.
LeeYeah, got to.
AdamBecause that is without a shadow of doubt.
AdamAnd also I would suspect that I think I think she'd probably be too old to play Marilyn.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd also I can't imagine she would want that part.
LeeNo, no, definitely not.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd but also, I mean, if if Rob Zombie goes from his old sort of, you know, like his rap company, I mean, it'd be quite interesting if you got like someone like Malcolm McDowell playing Grandpa might be fucking great.
LeeYeah, oh, yeah.
AdamThat would be really cool.
AdamBut I mean, yeah, it's going to it's also going to live on live or die on how much of it is sticking not sticking to the original, but sort of, you know, how far are you taking it away from the original?
AdamI would suspect that he's going to be pretty respectful.
LeeI would think so.
AdamBut then but then I thought the same about Halloween.
Adam
LeeYeah, and that was not the case.
Lee
LeeSo you're saying about Zack Snyder, this week, stuff that I've watched, Army of the Dead, which obviously everybody has been, going on about.
ChrisOh, yes.
ChrisThese are the episodes.
LeeNo, no, Army of the Dead.
LeeSo this is.
ChrisOh, the remake.
LeeNo.
LeeNo.
ChrisNo, no, no.
ChrisYou're thinking of Army of Darkness, Chris.
LeeYeah, yeah.
ChrisOh, yeah, okay.
LeeNo.
LeeSo Army of the Dead is basically, a group of mercenaries is paid to Las Vegas has had a zombie outbreak and has been sealed off.
LeeAnd somebody tells a group of mercenaries that there's 200 million in I think it's the bottom of the MGM, but in one of the big hotels.
LeeYeah, so if you can get in past the zombie hoard, grab the 200 million and get out, you can keep 50 million.
Lee
LeeYeah, I'll be I'll and they're on the clock because in 48 hours, the US military are nuking it to kill off all the zombies.
Leeso they have to go in and try and do a bank raid.
Lee
AdamSo it's Oceans 11 with zombies.
LeeYeah, pretty much.
Lee
LeeIt's headed up by a David Bautista, who obviously you've just watched Chris from the Guardians movies.
Lee
Chris
LeeHe.
AdamWho I have to say is a fucking good actor.
LeeI was he's one of the highlights of this film.
LeeI I didn't particularly like the film, I thought he was brilliant in it.
AdamYeah, he's he's only in it briefly, but like him in Blade Runner, he's fucking brilliant in it.
LeeOh, he was incredible.
AdamHe's fucking brilliant in it.
AdamHe's yeah, he's I think he's he's one of those rare occasions where it's like, no, actually you're probably this is probably your calling, because a lot of the time it's like, well, we'll get a wrestler in, why?
AdamBecause they're a big bastard who can do their own stunts, whereas actually, I think David Bautista is a fucking good actor.
AdamIt's yeah, it's.
LeeHe really is.
Lee
LeeYeah, and I mean this it's a fine film, it's it was on Netflix, so it didn't cost anything and it passed two and a half hours.
LeeBut.
LeeIt there was nothing original about it at all, it was all stuff we've seen before, I did like the way that it kept twisting and turning.
LeeSo like they kept chucking new elements in to change the direction and that quite worked quite well.
LeeBut.
LeeLike there's a character in it and straight away, it's like, right, you can come with us, but you have to promise us no matter what, you're not going to do this, you know.
LeeAnd it's like, yeah, as soon as he said it, I was like, I guarantee that character is going to ignore everything he's done and just fuck off and do their own thing.
LeeAnd yeah, like five minutes in.
LeeAnd and then every and then it's back to the thing of that one person who's a prick has ends up getting everybody killed pretty much.
LeeAnd you're like.
LeeThat's not my character, they say, this is back to the, what was the film I watched was it Overlord where it was the people who were supposed to be getting ready for the beach invasion on Normandy to make the beach safe.
LeeBut then they rescued hundreds of thousands of thousands of people's lives because a child got abducted and they wanted to go and rescue it.
LeeAnd it's like.
LeeI think your priorities are well out of fucking whack clear to be honest.
LeeAnd this was.
LeeVery much like that.
AdamWell, I mean, like you said about that, the like Peter Cushion, the iconic fucking crossed crucifixes.
Adamthe cross candlesticks, sorry.
Adamto form a crucifix was Peter Cushion's idea because he because apparently the script was Van Helsing pulls out a crucifix.
AdamAnd it was like, well, I've been pulling out crucifixes all the way through this.
AdamThis.
AdamI'm going to run out.
AdamI'm going to run out.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah, so he was like, so he came up with that.
AdamBut he also came up with the idea of running down the table and which again is not, you know, it's it's proper action stuff.
AdamWhich you don't immediately think that Peter Cushion's going to be doing.
LeeNo.
LeeBut like you say, you forget that he's in his prime.
LeeYeah.
LeeOh, go say, that is an action role.
LeeLike the way he just leaps off of that table and just drags those curtains.
LeeLike, I wouldn't want to shoot that shot and look terrible.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut it was yeah, it was that came from him so I mean a lot of it a lot of it is very very much part of the collaborative nature of how they work, but I mean, you've got so you've got the obviously you've got the the classic sort of team but in terms of like behind the camera you've got is directed by Terence Fisher.
AdamAnd the writer well, the adapter is Jimmy Sangster, and that is basically the classic Hammer lineup.
LeeI love they work together.
LeeThey just.
AdamYeah, they are responsible.
AdamThey just got that magic.
AdamWell, collectively they're responsible for like Curse of Frankenstein, Revenge, Hammer of the Baskervilles, The Mummy, Brides of Dracula, what else, Curse of the Werewolf, you know, between them and also you've got James Bernard's score.
AdamWhich.
AdamHe again who is all over this sort of like golden period of of Hammer.
AdamLike he did Devil Rides Out and The Gorgon and The Mummy and stuff like that and I'll admit, I was singing along because famously the the three notes of the score, James Bernard said came from it was basically Dracula.
AdamSo it's Dracula, it's fucking Dracula.
AdamHe didn't.
AdamHe didn't put in the it's fucking, that was me, but.
LeeYeah.
AdamHe didn't.
AdamHe didn't.
AdamHe didn't.
AdamHe didn't put in the it's fucking.
AdamThat was me.
AdamBut.
AdamBut.
AdamYou get the idea with that one.
AdamBut but that.
AdamSo yeah.
AdamAnd that's like.
AdamI mean that.
AdamYes.
