Dracula

0:00 Lee

0:22 Lee Good evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam And I'm Adam.

0:28 Lee And we are here finally to cover a film that as Adam pointed out quite rightly, we should definitely have covered a very long time ago.

0:37 Chris About six years ago.

0:40 Lee we are here.

0:41 Adam Around 100 episodes ago, I think.

0:46 Lee so we are here to cover the original Hammer Dracula, or Horrors of Dracula for those of you in the US.

0:54 Lee but before we get too excited and go off on a tangent about how much we love Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee, which spoiler alert, that's happening, and Michael Gough, bloody Nora.

1:08 Adam Yes.

1:09 Lee So before we get into all that,

1:11 Lee Chris, what have you been watching since our last recording?

1:16 Chris Well, what I'm going to say here might upset some people, other people may say, good on you, great job.

1:22 Chris We thought we'd finished with Marvel, but we started watching the the Wanda Vision episodes on Disney Plus because like, oh, there it's there. Look, let's press play, let's check it out. It looks a bit weird. All right.

1:33 Chris And it is a bit weird, but it does also show what you can do when you change from a movie format to episodes, because I think you can try things, as we saw with Mandalorian, that you otherwise might not quite want to try or would just wouldn't work in a film.

1:45 Chris So, it does let you explore a lot more options and I do think what they did was it was original enough.

1:53 Chris I mean, I don't know, do either of you know anything about it?

1:55 Lee No, I haven't seen it.

1:56 Adam I kind of know, I know the context of it, but equally, I know that it comes with a lot of MCU back story that I'm not privy to, so.

2:02 Chris I would say I think, I think you can enjoy it without knowing much. They do kind of explain as you go.

2:07 Chris Because it is, it's sort of filling in a back story, so it's it's not like you need to know all of the other characters.

2:13 Chris It it kind of just teaches you more about Wanda and a bit about vision, but you can, yeah, you may already know him.

2:17 Chris But so it was interesting, it was quite meta, almost like, like double meta, I don't know.

2:22 Chris Because it's yeah, and it's very difficult to say much without giving it away.

2:25 Chris

2:26 Adam But I know that they I know that it kind of moves through eras of American television or American sitcoms. Yeah, which you'd say, well, how can they possibly do that?

2:34 Adam I mean, how do you fit that into the story in a way that makes any sense?

2:36 Chris But they do, and I I totally didn't see it coming the way it did.

2:40 Chris but yeah, I I thought it worked.

2:43 Chris And and as it went on, it also gets darker towards the end.

2:47 Chris So, it's it's yeah, it's a lot more fun to begin with.

2:51 Chris and and yeah, and it ended well and so overall, by the end, I I did enjoy it.

2:55 Chris probably I'd say a lot more than I expected to. I thought after seeing the first episode it was going to be, yeah, this will be a bit of fun.

3:02 Chris But it did it did manage to build it enough that I was quite happy and quite glued to it all the way through.

3:09 Chris So I would recommend it if you like MCU, but also if you want to see something a bit different and if you like seeing those eras of TV.

3:15 Adam Yeah.

3:17 Lee Yeah.

3:19 Adam Sounds.

3:20 Lee See a lot.

3:20 Adam I'd like to see an American I'd like to see an English program tackle it where they sort of go through are you being served and then nice start of a bit and start off with Hancock then go step to cancer and are you being served and then duty free.

3:28 Adam You know, let's let's get really crap with the sitcoms, shall we?

3:30 Adam And radio show, you know, they could really sort of go.

3:31 Chris Rising damp.

3:36 Adam But I I agree with you, Chris, I think like with The Mandalorian,

3:39 Adam that that I think a lot of these things because there's so much in them, probably would work better moving towards a TV format.

3:48 Adam But it's that limited series thing that seems to be the point.

3:52 Chris Yeah.

3:53 Adam Because the ones because all the other ones like the stuff like what is it like Arrow and things like that where people are sort of like, yeah, they're okay or whatever.

4:02 Chris But I think that had a lot of episodes did it because I didn't actually I didn't watch any of that.

4:06 Adam Yeah, I but I think that's the thing is they're sticking to the old format of right, we're a TV show, so we do like 20 odd episodes for seven like a year for seven years or something like that.

4:17 Chris Yeah.

4:18 Adam Whereas actually, you know, you're probably better off sticking to like.

4:20 Chris Shorter, sweet.

4:21 Adam Yeah, like Game of Thrones or Mandalorian, like do eight really good fucking episodes, because then you've still you've still fulfilled more time than you would get in a movie.

4:28 Chris Yeah, absolutely.

4:31 Adam But you're not sort of having to fill stuff or sort of put placeholders in and.

4:35 Chris Well, when that I think that freedom of not having to fit to an exact time length per episode, probably is quite nice from a writer's perspective.

4:41 Adam I there's so many things that it works well with.

4:44 Adam I mean, like even something that's a bit more traditional like Mind Hunter, there were a few episodes of that where they were they were shorter than the hour or whatever.

4:50 Adam And it just made sense because it was like, that's all this case is.

4:54 Chris Yeah, adding anything else just waters it down.

4:58 Adam Yeah, and it bunging anything else in you, you're just going to be aware that it's padding. So.

5:04 Adam I'd like to see a lot more TV go that route.

5:06 Adam And it it makes so much sense with stuff like Black Mirror.

5:10 Adam Like anthology stuff.

5:12 Adam Because it's like sometimes you might have an hour and a half worth of story, you might only have 25 minutes on another one.

5:19 Adam It would yeah, so.

5:20 Lee No, I agree for Black Mirror, it it does work perfectly.

5:23 Lee And I, you know, it's as you say, it does it is nice that stuff's on demand now and we've had that opportunity that's never been there before. yeah, and it it just and it it it makes what should be how many times have you watched something and thought that would be a great episode of something for 35 minutes, but they've made it an hour because that's how long the show is.

5:39 Lee And it totally ruins it if you start sticking out to pad in and so yeah.

5:45 Adam I mean, you can I've been I've been rewatching I've been rewatching a lot of old Doctor Who and you can see there's certain ones where they would have cliffhangers and recaps.

5:56 Adam And sometimes they might recap like the last 10 minutes of the previous episode.

6:01 Adam You're like, right, you had 15 minutes for this episode, didn't you?

6:05 Adam But you've just bunged in like the previous 10.

6:08 Adam So, yeah, definitely the I mean, there's something to be said I suppose for the discipline of it.

6:12 Adam That you know you've got to fill a certain amount of time.

6:15 Adam But equally, yeah, if you've got imagine if you've got some.

6:17 Adam Like let's face it, it's like short films, there's so many short films that are then, oh, well, this is the short film that we made.

6:22 Adam Here's the hour and a half and you're like, the short was better.

6:25 Lee Yeah.

6:25 Adam You did this really well in 15 minutes and scare the crap out of me, but I'm fucking bored at an hour and a half.

6:32 Lee That's why I was so pleased when that Kung Fury came out, you know, a few years back, they did the 5 minute version, got the crowd funding, the feature length come out, 35 minutes.

6:41 Lee Perfect, in out, done. If you'd made it an hour and a half, it would have been terrible, but for 35 minutes, it was absolutely perfect.

6:47 Adam Because I think there's there's definitely something to be said for it with comedy, definitely.

6:52 Adam Because I think there's so many things where you can just be, yeah, we've got the joke now.

6:58 Lee Yeah.

6:58 Adam And yeah, I'll see you going to do right, okay. Yes.

7:03 Lee

7:05 Lee So Adam, what have you been watching since our last union?

7:10 Adam well, I, there's a new, there's a new episode of the Occultaria of Albians podcast, which actually dropped today, and because that's what all the cool kids say, and it's our very own, Mr. Wesley Sith from Mos Eisley, Happy Hour is a guest on it.

7:24 Chris Oh, right, excellent.

7:26 Adam recounting recounting a true life a true life tale of one of when he had like a a UFO sighting.

7:34 Adam And yeah, no, it was just just it was just good to hear him.

7:38 Adam So, yeah, but

7:40 Adam But I mean, yeah, the the episodes are they're still they're still a great podcast as well.

7:44 Adam But yeah, it was just like, oh, bloody out, just out of the blue suddenly.

7:46 Adam Well, I didn't expect to hear him today.

7:51 Adam So that that was yeah, that that was good. the I've watched.

7:58 Adam Finally watched I got round to watching something I bought in an arrow sale ages ago, the film called The Visitor.

8:04 Adam Particular favorite of Bobby from not for everyone podcast.

8:11 Adam Not it has to be said a favorite of Adams from not for everyone podcast.

8:16 Adam Because having watched it, I went back and listened to the episode, I really couldn't remember the episode at all.

8:21 Adam But I'd obviously, I had heard it.

8:24 Adam And

8:25 Adam yeah, Adam's take on it is that Bobby's main reason to for enjoyment was how pissed off he was with the film.

8:33 Lee So.

8:35 Adam But yeah, very, very strange like Italian, Italian made kind of horror Sci-fi possibly.

8:46 Adam a bit like someone's basically someone obviously just went the Exorcist, that's big, isn't it?

8:57 Adam The Omen, that's big, isn't it?

8:59 Adam Cocaine, that's great, isn't it?

9:01 Adam And melded the three and basically wrote this script and, I mean it is.

9:08 Adam It's beautifully just mental, it's it makes no fucking sense.

9:16 Adam And it's there are, yeah, there's there are birds in it, some of whom reveal that they have knives that come out of them and look like decoy ducks.

9:28 Adam There are the film director.

9:30 Adam Two film directors, Sam Peckinpah and John Huston, and John Huston has like a starring role in it for and he he's, you know, he's he's an older man of a certain gravitas.

9:43 Adam I mean, he's he kind of strikes the same sort of figure as say, Christopher Lee does as Count Dooku, you know, like an older, a much older man, you know, not necessarily at his physical peak.

9:51 Adam And they give him like fucking Starsky and Hutch action music every time he appears and it's just it's an old geezer walking along in a white printed suit.

9:59 Adam You know, it's not.

10:01 Adam It's that they've sort of added a dynamic to it.

10:05 Adam They there is oh, Lance Henriksen's in it, they've cast a girl obviously on the basis that she looks a bit like Linda Blair.

10:13 Adam And she is possibly the most like on purpose horrible child in a horror movie.

10:23 Adam she is absolutely horrible child.

10:26 Adam and there's God and the devil and Jesus and a satanic cult who are financed by basketball.

10:35 Adam And there's ice skating fight scenes where the little girl throws teenage boys twice her size through fucking windows.

10:45 Adam

10:46 Adam There's it's just fucking mental. It genuinely is. I really enjoyed it.

10:51 Adam But, yeah, it's it's definitely not for everyone. It it's it's like.

10:58 Adam It's it almost has that thing of you're like, have I fallen asleep and missed a bit of explanation, or is there a better print of this where they've got more plot in or did they cut this for some reason?

11:09 Adam And yeah.

11:10 Adam So that was, that was remarkable, barmy, yeah, I I mean, I fucking enjoyed it, but yeah.

11:18 Adam Good mighty, it is a a right oddity.

11:25 Adam and yeah, and by the end of it, I'm not entirely sure who the visitor is.

11:31 Adam So, you know, I think it's John Houston, but he's mind not be.

11:35 Adam But yeah, so and I told Bobby I'd watched it and he waxed lyrical about about it as well, so we've been holding a mutual appreciation society for The Visitor on WhatsApp.

11:45 Adam

11:47 Adam the other film that I got, finally got to see because it's been out in the states for a while, but it's actually finally released over here, is Ben Wheatley's new film In the Earth.

11:59 Adam and Lee, you've you watched this as well.

12:04 Lee I have.

12:05 Adam Yeah.

12:06 Adam And I think very much much more in the line of sort of Kill List and Field in England.

12:17 Adam It's much more in his sort of folk horror territory than anything else.

12:21 Adam

12:23 Adam like it the best way I can describe it is it's and it's made me want to cover Annihilation on the show.

12:31 Adam Because I don't know if we'd cover in the earth on the show.

12:34 Adam necessarily, but I feel it has a lot in common with Annihilation, but it's like, it's like you made Annihilation, but on with with no money.

12:41 Lee I was going to say exactly the same thing. It's if the BBC did a TV special of Annihilation.

12:46 Adam Yeah, it's like it's actually what it feels like is this feels like it's the 1970 like the 1983 original TV series that then someone made big budget in the states later, but it's come afterwards.

12:56 Adam And it's yeah, it's a very a very sort of trippy.

12:59 Adam with very, very small cast, a really good fucking cast.

13:07 Adam I have to say, I think there's I don't know if you found this leak because I mean, obviously, I don't want to give too much away because it's literally just come out.

13:14 Adam And I, I mean, I encourage people to see it.

13:16 Adam because I did I did enjoy it.

13:18 Adam I think it gets a bit bogged down when they reach the second encampment.

13:26 Lee Yes.

13:27 Lee I I I agree.

13:28 Adam There's a lot of exposition.

13:30 Lee And for a film that's only an hour and a half, it felt a lot longer than it was.

13:34 Lee I

13:35 Adam It was an hour and 45 actually.

13:37 Lee Oh, an hour and 45.

13:37 Adam But still, still it it does feel longer than that, yeah.

13:40 Lee I think I've I've come to the decision following this film that I've seen all the Ben Wheatley I need to see.

13:46 Lee

13:48 Adam Yeah, Sightseers still win for you.

13:50 Lee Yeah, it's another one of those.

13:52 Lee Like when when he got to the end of it, Jennifer said, okay, so what was it about it that you didn't like? And I was like, I can't put my finger on it. I just didn't it just didn't click for me.

14:01 Lee I mean, it's it's one of the greatest casts.

14:03 Lee The cast was absolutely incredible.

14:07 Lee but it just did absolutely nothing for me and I don't know why.

14:12 Adam Because it's it's a weird thing as well because you get that sort of you get that real momentum.

14:15 Adam Because you've got like basically basically the the the plot is a research scientist is looking to join up with a former colleague and as it turns out, former girlfriend.

14:27 Adam who is doing research out in the world and it's actually it's set during probably COVID.

14:33 Adam They don't make they don't make that a they don't state definitively it's that.

14:37 Adam But everyone is social distancing and wearing face masks and stuff.

14:40 Adam And basically they filmed it during the COVID outbreak.

14:42 Adam So they make a.

14:43 Chris That's that's quite.

14:44 Chris That's quite nice.

14:45 Adam Yeah, so they they make a sort of they make a sort of Boon of that in a way.

14:52 Adam Is that there's already the sort of and so, yeah, basically there's this research scientist and it's people who are looking for a cure to whatever it is that is plaguing the world, whether it be COVID or whether it be a different viral outbreak or something like that.

15:07 Chris So could that have been something to do with it, Lee? Was it just seemed a bit too real?

15:12 Adam Or no.

15:12 Adam Well, I don't want to speak for you, sorry, yeah.

15:15 Lee Yeah.

15:16 Lee No, I say it wasn't it wasn't that because the as Adam said, that the the sort of the pandemic that's going on is just a plot point to get them to wear the it sort of kicks off.

15:29 Lee So the whole thing doesn't hinge on that, it could work just as well without the pande, but it just made it very easy for them to say, right, this is why everything's so encapsulated and why there's nobody about because it's during lockdown so people aren't going out or moving around so much.

15:37 Lee

15:38 Chris Yeah, I go.

15:39 Lee Yeah.

15:40 Lee And I say and I mean it's it it did some very good.

15:41 Lee The gore and stuff.

15:42 Lee Like I I literally the cringy bits, I was sit I kept pulling my knees up to my chest at because it was so gory.

15:48 Lee It was brilliant.

15:50 Adam Because I I can't remember the actor's name, but the main the the main like the main character.

15:56 Adam basically, they put him through it.

16:01 Adam Yes.

16:02 Adam There is a lot of there, you know, he he is brutalized.

16:05 Adam And it's

16:08 Adam But I mean, I liked and and basically, yeah, so they they go out into the woods and it's meant to be that they've got to reach this camp where this scientist is who's stopped communicating with anyone.

16:19 Adam So they're looking to find out what's happened and everything.

16:21 Adam And it's a she's deep in the forest and it's like two days journey to get there.

16:29 Adam I did look it up and I believe that it is because they say, oh, well, the only way we can reach it is on foot.

16:37 Adam

16:38 Adam but I believe that apparently in mainland, England, they in mainland UK, you're only about six miles from a road at any point.

16:47 Lee Oh, really?

16:48 Adam So I'm not entirely sure about the two day thing.

16:50 Adam But, you know,

16:51 Adam it was just something I had to sort of I because I was like, a two days walk.

16:56 Adam I mean, here, you you know what I mean, you sort of.

16:58 Adam But anyway, so suspension of disbelief not withstanding.

17:03 Adam but yeah, and when they and basically it's him and a park ranger, and they and she's she's directing him to sort of like and they go in.

17:15 Adam And then they meet whom Reece Shearsmith who is playing a man who supposedly is just someone who lives on the land who is not meant to be there, but, you know, that's it.

17:29 Adam And he offers to help because they've been attacked and injured, and yeah, basically you then get like a sort of.

17:37 Adam a domestic UK version of Wolf Creek for about 30 minutes, where this guy basically just fucks with them.

17:46 Adam then they go and meet the they they finally sort of escape from him, go and meet the the scientist and it's all about either using art or science to communicate with the spirit of the forest.

17:59 Adam And,

18:00 Adam there's I mean, as you can imagine, the electronica was right up my street of yes, strobe lights and blast.

18:09 Adam And it does have such a sort of trippy their parts of it that are pure sort of like hallucinatory sort of feeling to it.

18:14 Adam Very much like Field in England.

18:15 Adam

18:16 Adam I mean, I I definitely I definitely think I I mean, I definitely recommend it.

18:25 Adam I did enjoy it.

18:26 Adam As I say, I think it has a bit of a stumbling in the middle.

18:29 Adam where it sort of slows its pace.

18:32 Adam and I can't quite explain why that happens.

18:35 Adam but all in all, I think it was a really enjoyable film and you get a there's one one character who stands out as a very remarkably capable person.

18:45 Adam Whereas everyone else is either fucking mad or just not right for this sort of a situation.

18:53 Adam So,

18:54 Adam

18:55 Adam but yeah, and but I mean, the fact that he, the fact they did it in the pandemic and I mean, what, there's six people in the cast, I suppose.

19:09 Lee Yeah.

19:09 Adam Six or seven.

19:10 Adam And but still, you know, you do get this coherent thing, but it is like like we said.

19:19 Adam It's really made me want to do Annihilation on here.

19:22 Adam Because it's just made me want to rewatch Annihilation.

19:26 Adam

19:27 Adam because it has a very similar has a very similar thing, but Annihilation is on a different sort of a different scale certainly budgetarily.

19:37 Adam As well as for the extraordinary.

19:43 Adam Whereas this I think this is much more about, well, yeah, we're we're communicating with the spirit in the forest, but at the end of it, maybe there is no spirit of the forest.

20:00 Adam Whereas in Annihilation, no, weird shit is happening. That is genuinely a shark crocodile.

20:06 Adam And that is a man-made of flowers.

20:08 Adam So, you know, it's sort of.

20:11 Adam It's it's sort of yeah, it's sort of tipped me onto that thing, I think.

20:14 Chris So I'm just having a look at Ben Wheatley's filmography list and so we we watched Kill List, you said this is also brutal, similar to Kill List. Yeah, like I I didn't necessarily think of it.

20:29 Adam It's not as brutal and I think also the difference is in Kill List, there's not really, I mean, Michael Smiley's character is probably the nearest you get to a like a likable character in it.

20:39 Adam whereas whereas this actually you do.

20:43 Adam You are rooting for the heroes because they are good people or you know what I mean.

20:51 Adam They're Whereas Kill List, obviously you've got a a family, basically a firm of hit people.

20:56 Adam Yeah.

20:57 Adam So, you know, in terms of actual sort of identification, it's sort of a bit, yeah.

21:02 Adam

21:03 Chris But so it's so it's first film down Ter, I've not heard you mention that. Sightseers you said Lee's favorite and then you've just mentioned a Field in England as being very good.

21:16 Adam A Field in England, which again is his the first film that he did with Reece Shearsmith.

21:22 Adam And a Field in England again is it's kind of a horror, but it is also piss funny.

21:29 Chris Yeah, okay.

21:30 Adam Despite being like a black and white civil war era, psychedelic Western in the UK with magic.

21:38 Chris That's a reasonable feature.

21:40 Adam You know, there's a lot going on.

21:42 Chris And then Sightseers is also a black comedy, is it?

21:45 Adam Yes, yeah.

21:47 Chris Yeah, okay.

21:48 Lee Have you not seen Sightseers, Chris?

21:49 Chris No, I remember, I think, I guess it was the time when you watched it.

21:52 Chris And I remember you saying, it's great.

21:53 Chris You should definitely watch it.

21:54 Adam I think I think that's something we might need to cover as well.

21:56 Adam Yeah, we might need to do on the show.

21:58 Adam If if only so we can welcome to horror, but it definitely needs watching.

22:03 Adam It's it's got brutal killings in it.

22:06 Adam That's why it's got.

22:07 Lee That's true.

22:08 Lee That is true.

22:08 Chris We don't you know, we don't watch tons of those, so it's reasonable to put one in there now and then.

22:16 Adam And then, then he did, he did High-Rise, which I I liked.

22:21 Adam A lot of people didn't and I can understand why.

22:23 Adam But I really my thing is, I really love the book anyway.

22:27 Chris Okay.

22:28 Adam So for me it was like, Ben Wheatley's doing a like he's adapting High-Rise, I'm probably going to be on board for that.

22:34 Adam And then he did he did Free Fire.

22:36 Adam Have you seen Free Fire?

22:37 Chris Free Fire.

22:38 Lee No.

22:39 Adam Which is basically, I mean, it's not it's not like world shattering or anything else like that.

22:44 Adam But it is just a really funny film about a shootout.

22:48 Adam Where basically it's a lot of very stupid, very incapable people firing guns at each other for about an hour and a half.

22:55 Adam

22:56 Adam But yeah, that's that's that's

23:00 Adam It's entertaining, but it's definitely not a it's not like an essential movie, it's not a rush out and see job.

23:06 Adam

23:07 Adam And actually he did a adaption of Rebecca as well.

23:11 Adam Which kind of which I'm still not seen.

23:12 Adam I'm I'm beginning to suspect that that is going to be like my version of The Straight Story, like it's the only David Lynch film I've never seen because basically everyone said, oh, it's nice and it's got a linear plot and it's not weird.

23:20 Adam Well, fuck off then.

23:22 Adam That's not why I go to David Lynch for.

23:24 Adam You're fucking telling me about that.

23:25 Adam And Rebecca seems like a bit of a hide and nothing because it's like, so you're going to do an adaption of an adaption of something that when Alfred Hitchcock adapted it, it's his only Oscar best picture.

23:35 Adam And,

23:36 Adam yeah, that seemed a bit of a hide and nothing to just sort of like do it.

23:42 Adam And I don't know, I think it might have just been because Netflix were releasing it because I know Ben Wheatley said it's like it's the film that more most people have seen of his.

23:49 Adam Because it because it's on Netflix, you know, far more than have seen any of his other films.

23:52 Adam Apparently the next film he's doing, though, is The Meg 2.

23:56 Lee Yeah, so I just seen that on his IMDB.

23:59 Lee It's interesting, I guess.

24:01 Adam Yeah, well, apparently he just was like, well, I really like the Meg one.

24:04 Adam I'm going to get to meet Jason Statham.

24:06 Adam So.

24:08 Lee Good a reason as any.

24:10 Lee Oh, actually, yes, speaking of films that are yet coming up, Rob Zombie, of course, has confirmed during this week that he is doing The Munsters is his next feature.

24:20 Adam Yes.

24:21 Lee

24:23 Lee Yeah, I I said at the time I wasn't sure how I feel about it and I've had more time to mull it over.

24:28 Lee And I still don't know how I feel about it, so.

24:30 Lee either way, I'm going to enjoy it, or either way, I'm going to watch it and nobody's going to take my box set away from me, so that's fine.

24:36 Lee Whether I like it or not, it's fine.

24:40 Adam I think that's what we've got to go down the route of is in the end, it's like, well, it can't it can't necessarily harm, you know, it doesn't detract from or harm the original.

24:48 Adam

24:49 Chris And because if that was the case, obviously we would be already saying about The Munsters today, which was a which was like pissing into the old grave of Lily Herman Grandpa.

24:53 Chris That's funny.

24:54 Chris Though, isn't it because sometimes people do feel like things detract from others they like, obviously we could say with George Lucas changing Star Wars that kind of detracts and not giving you the original, yeah, there is right, so I definitely get that, that's sort of a special case, but but you know, yeah, the idea that something should ruin something else seems kind of odd to me, but.

25:09 Lee I think it's that thing of like, it's like I got it to a degree when all the torture porn you stuff come out because obviously I'm into horror and it's never it's not really been that kind of super mainstream and then Hostile and those films came out and they became very mainstream and as soon as you said I like horror, everybody immediately went, oh, like that hostile.

25:28 Lee And I was like, no, not like and I think that's what it is, I think if you love something and then a shit version comes out, everybody goes, oh, yeah, the Karate Kid, that one with Jackie Chan.

25:33 Lee No, don't make me punch you in the throat, the original, who's going to watch the remake?

25:38 Lee And I think it's that, I think it's the kind of it it it gives other people a watered down version of what you like and it's like, it's yeah.

25:42 Lee So.

25:42 Adam Yeah, it's kind of if it supersedes the original.

25:47 Lee Yeah, in popularity and not quality.

25:49 Adam If you Google Dawn of the Dead, the first one that comes up is the Zack Snyder what the Zack Snyder one.

25:55 Adam Rather than the George Romero one.

25:58 Adam And it's yeah, and I.

26:00 Adam That I think also I think this is funnily enough, this was something I was thinking about the other day. I think it's also whenever it's people bring up the sequel.

26:08 Adam It's like, Terminator is an incredible fucking movie.

26:12 Adam Terminator 2 is an incredible fucking movie.

26:16 Adam Everything else afterwards should have been shot at birth.

26:21 Lee Yeah.

26:23 Adam And it's so and it's like, oh, I don't know, even like Indiana Jones where it's like, he's now doing a fifth one.

26:28 Adam They're now doing a fifth Indiana Jones.

26:30 Adam You're like.

26:31 Adam He did a fourth one that was pretty poor.

26:32 Chris What is the chance that this is going to be bad? It might be, but.

26:37 Adam Well, especially because I know Harrison Ford has stated it was like, oh, well, I want to do it before I'm too old to do another sequel.

26:44 Adam And you're like.

26:45 Adam You are nearly 80. I think you might already be too old to be Indiana.

26:49 Chris To give him his choose, he's he's doing well, but.

26:52 Adam I mean, he looks good that there's no there's no doubt on that.

26:56 Adam But still, I think it's.

26:57 Adam It's also that thing when it's, you know, even if they de-age him, he's still going to walk like he's crapped himself.

27:03 Adam Yeah.

27:03 Adam That's what happens when you get old.

27:05 Adam You either crap yourself, or you walk like you've crapped yourself.

27:08 Adam Either way, you're walking.

27:09 Chris He's going to be de-aged as well, that would be the thing, wouldn't it?

27:13 Adam Yeah.

27:14 Adam I I mean, there's no cast mentioned for for for for for for for for for.

27:20 Adam No, I know.

27:22 Adam Yeah.

27:23 Adam No, yeah, Munsters.

27:24 Adam Yeah, or anything.

27:25 Adam Let's face it, we know that Sheri Moon is going to play Lily.

27:28 Lee Yeah, got to.

27:29 Adam Because that is without a shadow of doubt.

27:31 Adam And also I would suspect that I think I think she'd probably be too old to play Marilyn.

27:37 Lee Yeah.

27:38 Adam And also I can't imagine she would want that part.

27:40 Lee No, no, definitely not.

27:42 Adam Yeah.

27:43 Adam And but also, I mean, if if Rob Zombie goes from his old sort of, you know, like his rap company, I mean, it'd be quite interesting if you got like someone like Malcolm McDowell playing Grandpa might be fucking great.

27:59 Lee Yeah, oh, yeah.

28:01 Adam That would be really cool.

28:02 Adam But I mean, yeah, it's going to it's also going to live on live or die on how much of it is sticking not sticking to the original, but sort of, you know, how far are you taking it away from the original?

28:11 Adam I would suspect that he's going to be pretty respectful.

28:13 Lee I would think so.

28:15 Adam But then but then I thought the same about Halloween.

28:17 Adam

28:19 Lee Yeah, and that was not the case.

28:21 Lee

28:23 Lee So you're saying about Zack Snyder, this week, stuff that I've watched, Army of the Dead, which obviously everybody has been, going on about.

28:35 Chris Oh, yes.

28:36 Chris These are the episodes.

28:38 Lee No, no, Army of the Dead.

28:40 Lee So this is.

28:40 Chris Oh, the remake.

28:41 Lee No.

28:42 Lee No.

28:42 Chris No, no, no.

28:43 Chris You're thinking of Army of Darkness, Chris.

28:45 Lee Yeah, yeah.

28:46 Chris Oh, yeah, okay.

28:47 Lee No.

28:48 Lee So Army of the Dead is basically, a group of mercenaries is paid to Las Vegas has had a zombie outbreak and has been sealed off.

28:59 Lee And somebody tells a group of mercenaries that there's 200 million in I think it's the bottom of the MGM, but in one of the big hotels.

29:06 Lee Yeah, so if you can get in past the zombie hoard, grab the 200 million and get out, you can keep 50 million.

29:10 Lee

29:11 Lee Yeah, I'll be I'll and they're on the clock because in 48 hours, the US military are nuking it to kill off all the zombies.

29:18 Lee so they have to go in and try and do a bank raid.

29:23 Lee

29:24 Adam So it's Oceans 11 with zombies.

29:26 Lee Yeah, pretty much.

29:28 Lee

29:29 Lee It's headed up by a David Bautista, who obviously you've just watched Chris from the Guardians movies.

29:36 Lee

29:36 Chris

29:37 Lee He.

29:38 Adam Who I have to say is a fucking good actor.

29:40 Lee I was he's one of the highlights of this film.

29:42 Lee I I didn't particularly like the film, I thought he was brilliant in it.

29:45 Adam Yeah, he's he's only in it briefly, but like him in Blade Runner, he's fucking brilliant in it.

29:51 Lee Oh, he was incredible.

29:52 Adam He's fucking brilliant in it.

29:54 Adam He's yeah, he's I think he's he's one of those rare occasions where it's like, no, actually you're probably this is probably your calling, because a lot of the time it's like, well, we'll get a wrestler in, why?

30:03 Adam Because they're a big bastard who can do their own stunts, whereas actually, I think David Bautista is a fucking good actor.

30:08 Adam It's yeah, it's.

30:09 Lee He really is.

30:10 Lee

30:11 Lee Yeah, and I mean this it's a fine film, it's it was on Netflix, so it didn't cost anything and it passed two and a half hours.

30:18 Lee But.

30:19 Lee It there was nothing original about it at all, it was all stuff we've seen before, I did like the way that it kept twisting and turning.

30:28 Lee So like they kept chucking new elements in to change the direction and that quite worked quite well.

30:33 Lee But.

30:34 Lee Like there's a character in it and straight away, it's like, right, you can come with us, but you have to promise us no matter what, you're not going to do this, you know.

30:45 Lee And it's like, yeah, as soon as he said it, I was like, I guarantee that character is going to ignore everything he's done and just fuck off and do their own thing.

30:53 Lee And yeah, like five minutes in.

30:54 Lee And and then every and then it's back to the thing of that one person who's a prick has ends up getting everybody killed pretty much.

31:02 Lee And you're like.

31:04 Lee That's not my character, they say, this is back to the, what was the film I watched was it Overlord where it was the people who were supposed to be getting ready for the beach invasion on Normandy to make the beach safe.

31:12 Lee But then they rescued hundreds of thousands of thousands of people's lives because a child got abducted and they wanted to go and rescue it.

31:16 Lee And it's like.

31:17 Lee I think your priorities are well out of fucking whack clear to be honest.

31:21 Lee And this was.

31:22 Lee Very much like that.

31:25 Adam Well, I mean, like you said about that, the like Peter Cushion, the iconic fucking crossed crucifixes.

31:31 Adam the cross candlesticks, sorry.

31:32 Adam to form a crucifix was Peter Cushion's idea because he because apparently the script was Van Helsing pulls out a crucifix.

31:38 Adam And it was like, well, I've been pulling out crucifixes all the way through this.

31:42 Adam This.

31:43 Adam I'm going to run out.

31:44 Adam I'm going to run out.

31:45 Lee Yeah.

31:46 Adam Yeah, so he was like, so he came up with that.

31:48 Adam But he also came up with the idea of running down the table and which again is not, you know, it's it's proper action stuff.

31:53 Adam Which you don't immediately think that Peter Cushion's going to be doing.

31:56 Lee No.

31:57 Lee But like you say, you forget that he's in his prime.

31:59 Lee Yeah.

32:00 Lee Oh, go say, that is an action role.

32:02 Lee Like the way he just leaps off of that table and just drags those curtains.

32:07 Lee Like, I wouldn't want to shoot that shot and look terrible.

32:12 Adam Yeah.

32:12 Adam But it was yeah, it was that came from him so I mean a lot of it a lot of it is very very much part of the collaborative nature of how they work, but I mean, you've got so you've got the obviously you've got the the classic sort of team but in terms of like behind the camera you've got is directed by Terence Fisher.

32:28 Adam And the writer well, the adapter is Jimmy Sangster, and that is basically the classic Hammer lineup.

32:37 Lee I love they work together.

32:39 Lee They just.

32:39 Adam Yeah, they are responsible.

32:41 Adam They just got that magic.

32:42 Adam Well, collectively they're responsible for like Curse of Frankenstein, Revenge, Hammer of the Baskervilles, The Mummy, Brides of Dracula, what else, Curse of the Werewolf, you know, between them and also you've got James Bernard's score.

32:59 Adam Which.

33:00 Adam He again who is all over this sort of like golden period of of Hammer.

33:05 Adam Like he did Devil Rides Out and The Gorgon and The Mummy and stuff like that and I'll admit, I was singing along because famously the the three notes of the score, James Bernard said came from it was basically Dracula.

33:13 Adam So it's Dracula, it's fucking Dracula.

33:25 Adam He didn't.

33:26 Adam He didn't put in the it's fucking, that was me, but.

33:30 Lee Yeah.

33:31 Adam He didn't.

33:31 Adam He didn't.

33:32 Adam He didn't.

33:33 Adam He didn't put in the it's fucking.

33:34 Adam That was me.

33:35 Adam But.

33:35 Adam But.

33:36 Adam You get the idea with that one.

33:37 Adam But but that.

33:39 Adam So yeah.

33:40 Adam And that's like.

33:41 Adam I mean that.

33:42 Adam Yes.