Mos Eisley Happy Hour - The Last Jedi

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UnknownWelcome to horror.

LeeTalk about Star Wars.

LeeGood evening everyone and welcome to the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.

LeeWhere we are watching Star Wars all the way through, why I suddenly decided to mention that at this fucking late juncture, I don't know.

LeeBut spoilers are swearing, there we go. Got it out.

ChrisIt's cozy and exciting.

LeeI literally did just swear as well.

LeeSo, I thought I'd managed to get it before we did any spoilers or any swearing, but no.

LeeAnywho.

LeeUm, yes, and uh, this evening I am joined as always by the mighty Westley Sith.

AdamDing dong.

LeeAnd CA88, Chris Allen, there he is.

ChrisGodspeed you there, black, no, wrong film, wrong, I don't know, what.

ChrisI don't know Godspeed you black Emperor very well.

ChrisBut I know I quite like them, but that is my most annoying element of this film.

ChrisIs I don't know why they started saying Godspeed.

ChrisI was like, where did that come from, why, but it's stuck in my mind a bit too much.

ChrisBut there you go.

ChrisI'll get it out now.

LeeI'm I'm glad you've I'm glad you've I'm glad you've highlighted it because.

LeeAt the time I was kind of like, what the fuck?

LeeAnd then it slipped my mind again.

LeeBut yeah, that is a very weird moment when you've You've already got a religion.

ChrisYeah, we've never had.

LeeDon't.

ChrisMaybe Westley has some answers.

AdamNo, not a sausage.

LeeNot a sausage on that one.

ChrisAnd I I don't think that continue in in Rise of Skywalker, do they?

ChrisI don't remember, but anyway.

ChrisI'll I'll watch that for the second time again ready for next episode and find out, but yeah.

LeeYes, as tonight we are covering.

LeeStar Wars episode eight, The Last Jedi.

LeeA film uh that seemed to be oddly, well, not oddly divisive amongst uh Star Wars fans.

LeeAnd as I've said before, I'm not going to go on too much about it, but is the main reason why I had not seen Solo or um Rise of Skywalker because I just got to the point of like, I'll piss off Star Wars fans.

ChrisRight, that that is quite interest though because yeah, I think I was my view of it was probably somewhat colored by um the the negative response.

ChrisAnd in my head I remembered the negative parts of it more than the positives, and and I found it for me there's way more to unpack now having watched it for a second time, and I don't know if I was just in the absolute right state of mind for it, but I really enjoyed it so much of it.

ChrisSo much more than I yeah, I could remember.

LeeMy I mean, my exact words I think to Clare were, well, let's let's let's fang it on.

LeeBecause I think the same same as yourself is I think I'd sort of begun to not begun to agree with them necessarily, but I just sort of like it had created such a sort of stink around itself as a film around the film that you kind of start interpretin' that as your feeling towards the film.

LeeWhich as it turns out, it really isn't.

ChrisI I think um there was also something to do with Mark Hamill wasn't too happy with what they did with Luke, which I absolutely agree with for the you know, the first half of it.

ChrisI suppose, he didn't come across great.

ChrisBut he he does I think redeem himself pretty good.

LeeI think, well, it's it's interesting.

LeeYeah, go on, Wiz.

AdamThe thing is with the whole Luke Mark Hamill, when you actually analyze it as he was saying those comments, it actually is talking about it when it was first presented to him.

AdamAnd he actually quoted saying it wasn't till he acted in it and it came out that he realized it does work.

AdamBut a lot of the negative Star Wars people are quoting the pre-film, they're making they're making a narrative fit to how they, you know, not even Mark Hamill likes it, but he did.

ChrisThat's interesting.

ChrisOkay.

ChrisAll right, so yeah, I hadn't heard that, so that is interesting to know.

LeeI I think also going back to going back to my sort of projecting the the projection of the theory of.

LeeUm, you know, that it's playing out a lot of the original trilogy's sort of roles in different ways.

LeeLuke certainly to start with is definitely Yoda.

ChrisYeah, absolutely.

ChrisYeah, he's a crazy hermit.

LeeLiterally, it's it's properly sort of um, you know, Mine, mine, mine and you'll be just ransacking bags and everything.

LeeAnd.

ChrisI think where Yoda worked and it's hard to say how much of it was seeing it so much when you're young.

ChrisBut like Luke just isn't as cute is he as Yoda when he's doing that role.

ChrisSo it's like, you're just a bit too weird and not quite endearing enough at this point.

LeeIt's sort of commiserating.

ChrisYeah.

AdamHe's a mixture of Obi-Wan and Yoda.

ChrisYeah.

AdamYeah.

LeeWell, I think I think it's yeah, I think it's probably just also weirdly enough, I'm not as keen on Yoda in the prequel.

ChrisMm.

LeeBecause of almost like the opposite effect.

ChrisYeah.

AdamHe is.

LeeBecause it's like, oh, I don't want you being a serious, you know, misery.

ChrisSerious.

LeeIt's much funnier when you're like, don't matter, fuck it, I'm I've been around for years mate, everything just.

LeeLet it go.

ChrisWell, you do get that, then you get a whole lot of that in this where he decides to mock Luke with some lightning bolts and.

ChrisAnd telling him basically, you're totally wrong, you got it wrong again, you're useless, isn't you basically.

LeeIn in my notes as well, is that, um, I I put down that it's like sort of like two guys in a trailer park and one of them's accidentally set fire to his trailer.

LeeAnd they're both pissed.

LeeYou know, there's a sort of element of resignation to it and also it's just great because again, yeah.

LeeIt is back to cheeky Yoda.

ChrisYeah, absolutely.

LeeBit of a cheeky Yoda there, ladies.

LeeSo, yeah, I I sort of really, um, um, I I enjoyed it once he turns up and also, but like I say, I think, because that was another thing that's one thing that was leveled against it.

LeeIt's a lot of people didn't appreciate a lot of the humor in it.

ChrisSo yeah.

ChrisRight.

ChrisSo that's it, so I I'm I think I mentioned, we did talk about this previously like there are some bits that I still I'm not keen on it, mostly if it mostly of it is Luke, and I think I focused on that, whereas actually watching this again, I I was laughing and really did enjoy quite a lot of it.

ChrisA lot more than I remembered like in before, which I when I found it just a little bit awkward, to like too awkward to enjoy.

AdamPo Dameron bit at the beginning, where he's pretending to be an answerphone message.

AdamI really didn't like that.

ChrisYeah.

LeeIt's.

ChrisYeah, I didn't like it, but I did enjoy it this time for some reason.

ChrisAnd it might have been because I Yeah, no, it seemed really, oh no, that's just too much the first time around.

ChrisFor some reason, it was just amusing this time.

LeeI I think the trouble is, I think that jumps it when he's basically it turns into your mum.

LeeI think that's the point where it's like, oh no, you have turned this is just a prank call this is just see more butts.

LeeSo because I think I think again it's because of that thing we've established that.

LeeYou know, there's and this whole film has it in tons and tons of it is there's that kind of thing about almost like imposter syndrome where you've got a lot of people who aren't up to snuff or don't think they are, and oddly enough the ones who think they are on.

LeeSo.

LeeGeneral General Hux is just a dick.

LeeMm.

LeeYou know, he is a it's it's in the same way that it's like sort of, yes, he is clearly, you know, a mass murderer.

LeeBut in the weird way that you have with probably quite a few mass murderers, they're actually sort of boring nerdy pricks rather than, you know, there's there's no one who really is Darth Vader.

LeeBut there are a shit ton of Anakins is probably the best way of putting it, and similarly, I think General He's basically middle management, unfortunately for his murder.

ChrisSomehow.

ChrisBut it's funny, Snoke actually addresses that by saying, you know, why do I have him so high up?

ChrisWell, he's I can't remember how he phrased it.

ChrisBut essentially.

LeeA rancor.

ChrisYeah, yeah, and he can be manipulated, which is useful.

ChrisAnd yeah, he is like this crazy weapon that he can set off on the world and.

LeeYeah.

ChrisHopefully.

LeeI think it's also like.

AdamLike we were saying last episode, it's it's a bunch of kids wearing their parents shoes.

ChrisYeah.

LeeYeah.

AdamBecause there was no one, you know, it's almost as if they got the victory and then they didn't train those coming up.

AdamSo they're best fitting the way of doing it.

ChrisWe really see that when Snoke dies and it's.

ChrisLike Kylo versus Hux and again, I found that really funny this time and I don't remember laughing at that before, but just the way that it's like he keeps him alive and then, you know, flings him against the side of the TIE when he's annoyed with him.

LeeLike.

ChrisIt's just kids running the show.

LeeCut into that bit towards the end.

LeeAgain, I there's there's probably stuff in this, there's a lot of stuff in this, one thing that I did me and Claire were talking about was there's something that doesn't happen in Star Wars very often and and it's unfortunate that um Finn gets like action hero dialogue.

LeeHmm.

LeeWhen he calls Phasma chrome dome or whatever like that, and it's it's a bit, hey mouse say cheese.

LeeYou know, sort of from the Simpsons scratching land episode.

LeeIt's just it's like it's because action films have changed since Star Wars started.

LeeSo, yeah, weirdly enough that it's almost like someone put in a bit and it's like, oh yeah, Die Hard did come out after Star Wars.

LeeSo that's that's a bit that's a bit yippee ki-yay motherfucker.

LeeBut it's in no way shape or form in the in the same sort of way.

LeeAnd it just does again, it rings a bit odd, much the same as the Godspeed you does the your mom joke does.

LeeIt's it's the.

LeeBut again, none of them are to a point of not wanting of not enjoying this.

ChrisYeah.

LeeAnd it has to be said, that bit at the end when they're in the um, like Hux and Kylo Ren are in the the shuttle the like the um, the shuttle craft are suspended over the Rebel base where they've got like the attacks coming in and everything else like that.

LeeAnd that entire sequence on board there is fucking hilarious.

LeeIn it because it is sort of stuff like there's just a bit where Adam Driver's brilliant where he just looks at um General Hux when he keeps repeating his orders.

LeeWhere it's like, uh, you know, like take them in fire when ready, yes, take them in fire them when ready, and he just sort of looks at him like, well, yes.

LeeAnd also just the bit where it's he's he says, um, it's like something like power up all weapons and it's like, do you really want to do that and then he just full chokes him against the wall.

LeeAnd then and then the pilot of the ship just goes, yes, sir, immediately, sir.

LeeAnd it's.

LeeYeah, it's just.

LeeAlthough I was and this is going to be I think second, second or third time that SpongeBob is evoked on this show, the bit where they're all looking because Kylo Ren has said, right, train all your weapons on that one man and fire.

LeeAnd it's just going on and on and on and you know, everyone's there just like, this is this is awkward actually now, this is this is awkward film.

LeeYou're you're comments ain't quite badly here and for some reason it just reminded me of when SpongeBob uh accepts thinks he's been given the managerial ship of the Krusty Krab 2.

LeeAnd then he's like, I'm just going to get quick Mr. Krabs, you want most embarrassing thing you've ever seen and it's even more embarrassing now it's coming through the microphone and.

LeeYeah.

LeeIt was just again.

LeeJust.

ChrisNot.

ChrisNot a Star Wars moment, really.

LeeBut it's not a Star Wars moment, but I'm so pleased it is because I think there is this like there is space within it.

LeeHmm.

LeeAnd certainly, but then other stuff in this really really doesn't pay off.

LeeUm, I mean, I'm right.

LeeSo, um, we've sort of we've launched in, so it's 2017.

LeeUm, and um, yeah, I don't think that I don't think I can be asked to go through everything that came out.

LeeBecause we're really into the swing of this.

LeeSo I apologize for breaking it out there.

LeeAnd that's a really unprofessional thing I've done there.

ChrisSee, I I think I think that's meta that fits this.

ChrisYou know, this film is fine.

ChrisIt doesn't matter.

ChrisAnything is available.

LeeWe're subverting all expectations.

LeeAnd actually, that's something that this film does well, because it's like, oh, so I like the fact that a lot of people were sort of, well, I didn't think that that was going to happen.

LeeAnd it's like, yeah, and that's the point of entertainment.

LeeYeah.

ChrisThey did have a serious amount of twists in this.

LeeYeah.

LeeBut also you've just got stuff like, you know, the this because weirdly enough, this is like.

LeeI think also everyone was like, oh, well, they did so well doing um the Force Awakens and it was like a new hope.

LeeSo, obviously, they're going to do like the really dark Empire Strikes Back one.

LeeAnd they sort of do, but not in the way that people expect.

LeeAnd also just suddenly in the middle of it, just go, or suddenly just in the middle of it, plonk in the end of Return of the Jedi.

LeeBut twist it.

LeeSo Darth Vader kills the Emperor and then says to Luke, join me as father and son.

LeeWhich would I mean, imagine what a fucked up ending of fucking empire.

LeeWhere it'd been where that was the reveal.

LeeSo it's not just that he's like, you know, not that he's they're fighting over Cloud City or whatever like that.

LeeBut he takes him to the Emperor, kills the Emperor and it's like, by the way, I'm your dad, you fancy running the galaxy and.

LeeYeah.

ChrisAnd that wasn't even the end of the film.

LeeNo.

LeeNo, or for me this film this film does have a lot of fucking endings.

LeeYeah.

AdamThe impression that it it was quite designed like it was going to be, which in effect it is, the end of Star Wars, because the film ends and there's like, there's no way out of this, tune in next week.

AdamVery Flash Gordon ending to it.

LeeWell, because this is the thing as well that I hadn't remembered is that this literally starts from the end of The Force Awakens.

LeeFinn Finn is still unconscious in the Medi Bay.

LeeAnd I don't know quite how long Luke and Ray have been holding.

ChrisQuite a long time.

LeeI would estimate roughly about a day and a half, which is a fucking long time really.

LeeAnd um, yeah, and I hadn't sort of I hadn't recalled that element that sort of element to of how quickly this is like literally the like just it continues from that point, which I think he's a first for Star Wars.

LeeBecause most of the time.

AdamOh, yeah, they'll get between each one.

LeeYeah.

LeeYeah, because and that's essentially why you need the um like the opening scroll.

LeeOf most Star Wars films because it's it's apart from apart from the very like apart from a new hope where it's literally setting everything up.

LeeUm, in the later ones it is like, oh, so that's why Luke's there and that's why Leia's doing that or whatever, you know, and so yeah.

AdamThat's why they're on that's why they're on Hoth now and not Yavin and.

LeeYeah.

LeeThat's all.

AdamYeah.

LeeThat's all that.

AdamYeah.

LeeYeah.

AdamMhm.

AdamOh, the film has got one of my all-time favorite bits visually, which is the Hyperdrive ramming through the ships.

LeeYes.

ChrisLike yeah, no visually and the added effect of the sound dropping out for that.

ChrisI was like in the cinema, I was like like whether it's a cheap trick or what, I loved it.

ChrisI was like, that is amazing.

ChrisBut I had the thought of, but I don't know if that is taking things too far using um lightspeed as a weapon.

ChrisIt's like, oh, I don't know, does that fit and I've not actually looked into it.

ChrisSo I don't know if you can comment on that.

ChrisBut it felt a bit like that might be ruining, you know, because why don't they use that more often possibly.

LeeI I think it's because it is a mutually destructive thing.

ChrisWell, potentially, but then, but wouldn't, but wouldn't you set up like remote ship or something?

ChrisIt just it seemed just a little bit.

AdamThe thing is with the star a lot of people have argued that why did Laura Dern have to stay on board.

ChrisThat must be hold.

ChrisYeah.

ChrisOkay.

ChrisAll right.

AdamYeah.

AdamBut then they can't kill.

AdamMm.

AdamEither way they will be killing themselves or whoever is staying behind, so that's a Catch 22 situation for a droid.

ChrisSo so but she didn't originally have that plan though, because she was just going to die in the ship while they all escaped.

LeeShe was just going to let it be the pursuit thing.

LeeIn and it has to be said, obviously, the majority of Empire Strikes Back is the Empire pursuing the Millennium Falcon, and so similarly, this does have a chase in the middle of it, but it is a fucking low speed chase.

LeeYeah.

ChrisYeah.

LeeYeah.

LeeDo you know what I mean?

ChrisIt's like, but that's almost that's again, you know, they're just trying they are trying things in this that are different, aren't they?

LeeOh, definitely.

ChrisAnd it's like that could be really boring.

LeeBut.

AdamI said.

LeeBut I think only by dint of the fact that the other bit of it is literally the bullshit that they.

LeeYeah.

ChrisYeah.

LeeSend poor Finn off to do.

LeeSo you're like, oh, thank God, we're we're back at the low speed car chase.

LeeIt.

LeeIt feels like in Father Ted where they re- they do there's a Father Ted episode called Speed 3.

LeeAnd.

LeeIt's basically the plot of Speed on a milk float.

LeeAnd he cannot go less than three miles an hour.

AdamIt's brilliant.

LeeIt does, but it does have that similar sort of thing.

LeeAnd.

LeeActually, that's one thing that we've got to mention is that obviously.

LeeFuck me, there was a cheer in the audience when we all noticed Aid that first time.

LeeYeah, hey, excuse me, where was a.

LeeI got a creeping barrage.

LeeNow, I suspect um that that is Mark Hamill's doing because Mark Hamill is obsessed with Rick and Aid.

LeeHe.

LeeUm, he's posted about bottom and the young ones and stuff like that loads of times.

LeeAnd he even uh Mark Hamill is in has a very small role as a cafe owner in one episode of Man Down.

LeeAnd he said that he took the role purely because and this was after Rick had died, like Rick Mayall had died.

LeeBut he took the role so that his name would appear on the same cast list as Rick Mayall.

LeeSo.

LeeI mean, you know, he wanted to play the part as well.

LeeDo you know what I mean?

LeeHe wanted to do the series as well.

LeeBut yeah, it was like he said, yeah, but then my name gets put I've got my name next to Rick Mayall's.

LeeAnd it's similarly.

LeeI'm assuming that's why Aid is in this.

LeeIs.

AdamHe's jealous of Carrie Fisher that's why he got Dead Fred then.

LeeOh, that's true.

LeeYeah.

LeeCourse she was in that.

AdamWe went to pictures to see it.

LeeYes.

LeeI forgot I forgot she was in that.

LeeBut I mean, I think, yeah, so.

LeeAnd actually, speaking of Carrie Fisher, we didn't mention last time Billy Lord, like obviously her daughter.

LeeYeah.

LeeWho, can I just say though, and I I like Laura Dern.

LeeI haven't got a problem with Laura Dern.

LeeI'm a bit confused as to why she's dressed like Mrs. Slocombe.

LeeUm.

AdamPerhaps it's because of her pussy.

LeeOh, right, of course, it would be, wouldn't it?

LeeYes.

LeeUm.

LeeBut.

LeeUm.

LeeWould it it's just a weird one where there's like this sort of thing where Laura Dern comes into it and you're like.

LeeOh, so she's taken over now.

LeeOkay.

LeeAnd there's no backstory to it or anything.

LeeI did see someone online.

LeeI did see someone online saying that Lord the Laura Dern part should have been Admiral Ackbar.

LeeWhich.

LeeI kind of I I I agree with mostly because it is so shit to kill off Admiral Ackbar off screen.

LeeWhere it's like, oh, yeah, we lost Admiral Ackbar.

LeeUh, Princess Leia apparently can do Mary Poppins shit now.

ChrisSo that so again, I was a bit half and half when I saw that I I liked the look of it.

ChrisAnd I liked the fact that we saw Leia using some force, but I just wasn't sure if it was a little bit too.

ChrisTake it, but then it does sort of fit with the rest of the film.

ChrisSo watching it again, I don't know, I I think I liked it.

AdamI need to see all the jumping about Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn were doing in The Phantom Menace, I think that that was quite tight really.

LeeWell, yeah.

LeeMy mind you if if there's one lesson to take from this from the Star Wars saga as a whole, is falling down very deep things doesn't really do you much harm.

LeeNah.

LeeThere's a lot of people who are apparently dead falling down things that aren't.

LeeSo, yeah, including people who have been fucking bisected.

LeeSo.

LeeYeah.

AdamYeah.

LeeYeah.

LeeBut having do you know that amazing fact about Laura Dern in this film is the fact that every time she held the gun, she kept going pew, pew.

LeeAnd if you actually watch the film, there's a bit where she shoots this guy, you can actually see her mouth open up and start to make the pew sound as her arm comes up and hides her mouth.

LeeIt's actually in the film.

LeeIsn't this this seems to be a problem though, doesn't it?

LeeFor everyone it's like when they said that everyone kept doing the fucking lightsaber noises.

LeeYeah.

LeeBecause you you sort of I suppose it's just because you grew up doing it, so you're your brain reverts.

LeeThat you're sort of.

LeeYou know, sort of muscle memory.

LeeIt's like, oh yeah, I'm I'm fighting with a lightsaber.

LeeAnd.

LeeSo, I mean, I have to say.

LeeIf there's one thing that the uh, because they are the rebellion again at this point, aren't they, because it's first order is in charge, so it's back to being a rebellion rather than the Republic.

LeeYeah.

LeeGet faster bombers.

LeeExistent.

LeeWasn't it?

LeeResistance, that's it, resistance this time, isn't it?

LeeYeah.

LeeBut yeah, get get faster bomber ships.

LeeYeah.

LeeBecause because they take fucking ages and I know they're full of bombs, but you know, something with it.

LeeWell, I said.

LeeWell, I think.

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