Mos Eisley Happy Hour - The Last Jedi

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Unknown Welcome to horror.

Lee Talk about Star Wars.

Lee Good evening everyone and welcome to the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.

Lee Where we are watching Star Wars all the way through, why I suddenly decided to mention that at this fucking late juncture, I don't know.

Lee But spoilers are swearing, there we go. Got it out.

Chris It's cozy and exciting.

Lee I literally did just swear as well.

Lee So, I thought I'd managed to get it before we did any spoilers or any swearing, but no.

Lee Anywho.

Lee Um, yes, and uh, this evening I am joined as always by the mighty Westley Sith.

Adam Ding dong.

Lee And CA88, Chris Allen, there he is.

Chris Godspeed you there, black, no, wrong film, wrong, I don't know, what.

Chris I don't know Godspeed you black Emperor very well.

Chris But I know I quite like them, but that is my most annoying element of this film.

Chris Is I don't know why they started saying Godspeed.

Chris I was like, where did that come from, why, but it's stuck in my mind a bit too much.

Chris But there you go.

Chris I'll get it out now.

Lee I'm I'm glad you've I'm glad you've I'm glad you've highlighted it because.

Lee At the time I was kind of like, what the fuck?

Lee And then it slipped my mind again.

Lee But yeah, that is a very weird moment when you've You've already got a religion.

Chris Yeah, we've never had.

Lee Don't.

Chris Maybe Westley has some answers.

Adam No, not a sausage.

Lee Not a sausage on that one.

Chris And I I don't think that continue in in Rise of Skywalker, do they?

Chris I don't remember, but anyway.

Chris I'll I'll watch that for the second time again ready for next episode and find out, but yeah.

Lee Yes, as tonight we are covering.

Lee Star Wars episode eight, The Last Jedi.

Lee A film uh that seemed to be oddly, well, not oddly divisive amongst uh Star Wars fans.

Lee And as I've said before, I'm not going to go on too much about it, but is the main reason why I had not seen Solo or um Rise of Skywalker because I just got to the point of like, I'll piss off Star Wars fans.

Chris Right, that that is quite interest though because yeah, I think I was my view of it was probably somewhat colored by um the the negative response.

Chris And in my head I remembered the negative parts of it more than the positives, and and I found it for me there's way more to unpack now having watched it for a second time, and I don't know if I was just in the absolute right state of mind for it, but I really enjoyed it so much of it.

Chris So much more than I yeah, I could remember.

Lee My I mean, my exact words I think to Clare were, well, let's let's let's fang it on.

Lee Because I think the same same as yourself is I think I'd sort of begun to not begun to agree with them necessarily, but I just sort of like it had created such a sort of stink around itself as a film around the film that you kind of start interpretin' that as your feeling towards the film.

Lee Which as it turns out, it really isn't.

Chris I I think um there was also something to do with Mark Hamill wasn't too happy with what they did with Luke, which I absolutely agree with for the you know, the first half of it.

Chris I suppose, he didn't come across great.

Chris But he he does I think redeem himself pretty good.

Lee I think, well, it's it's interesting.

Lee Yeah, go on, Wiz.

Adam The thing is with the whole Luke Mark Hamill, when you actually analyze it as he was saying those comments, it actually is talking about it when it was first presented to him.

Adam And he actually quoted saying it wasn't till he acted in it and it came out that he realized it does work.

Adam But a lot of the negative Star Wars people are quoting the pre-film, they're making they're making a narrative fit to how they, you know, not even Mark Hamill likes it, but he did.

Chris That's interesting.

Chris Okay.

Chris All right, so yeah, I hadn't heard that, so that is interesting to know.

Lee I I think also going back to going back to my sort of projecting the the projection of the theory of.

Lee Um, you know, that it's playing out a lot of the original trilogy's sort of roles in different ways.

Lee Luke certainly to start with is definitely Yoda.

Chris Yeah, absolutely.

Chris Yeah, he's a crazy hermit.

Lee Literally, it's it's properly sort of um, you know, Mine, mine, mine and you'll be just ransacking bags and everything.

Lee And.

Chris I think where Yoda worked and it's hard to say how much of it was seeing it so much when you're young.

Chris But like Luke just isn't as cute is he as Yoda when he's doing that role.

Chris So it's like, you're just a bit too weird and not quite endearing enough at this point.

Lee It's sort of commiserating.

Chris Yeah.

Adam He's a mixture of Obi-Wan and Yoda.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Yeah.

Lee Well, I think I think it's yeah, I think it's probably just also weirdly enough, I'm not as keen on Yoda in the prequel.

Chris Mm.

Lee Because of almost like the opposite effect.

Chris Yeah.

Adam He is.

Lee Because it's like, oh, I don't want you being a serious, you know, misery.

Chris Serious.

Lee It's much funnier when you're like, don't matter, fuck it, I'm I've been around for years mate, everything just.

Lee Let it go.

Chris Well, you do get that, then you get a whole lot of that in this where he decides to mock Luke with some lightning bolts and.

Chris And telling him basically, you're totally wrong, you got it wrong again, you're useless, isn't you basically.

Lee In in my notes as well, is that, um, I I put down that it's like sort of like two guys in a trailer park and one of them's accidentally set fire to his trailer.

Lee And they're both pissed.

Lee You know, there's a sort of element of resignation to it and also it's just great because again, yeah.

Lee It is back to cheeky Yoda.

Chris Yeah, absolutely.

Lee Bit of a cheeky Yoda there, ladies.

Lee So, yeah, I I sort of really, um, um, I I enjoyed it once he turns up and also, but like I say, I think, because that was another thing that's one thing that was leveled against it.

Lee It's a lot of people didn't appreciate a lot of the humor in it.

Chris So yeah.

Chris Right.

Chris So that's it, so I I'm I think I mentioned, we did talk about this previously like there are some bits that I still I'm not keen on it, mostly if it mostly of it is Luke, and I think I focused on that, whereas actually watching this again, I I was laughing and really did enjoy quite a lot of it.

Chris A lot more than I remembered like in before, which I when I found it just a little bit awkward, to like too awkward to enjoy.

Adam Po Dameron bit at the beginning, where he's pretending to be an answerphone message.

Adam I really didn't like that.

Chris Yeah.

Lee It's.

Chris Yeah, I didn't like it, but I did enjoy it this time for some reason.

Chris And it might have been because I Yeah, no, it seemed really, oh no, that's just too much the first time around.

Chris For some reason, it was just amusing this time.

Lee I I think the trouble is, I think that jumps it when he's basically it turns into your mum.

Lee I think that's the point where it's like, oh no, you have turned this is just a prank call this is just see more butts.

Lee So because I think I think again it's because of that thing we've established that.

Lee You know, there's and this whole film has it in tons and tons of it is there's that kind of thing about almost like imposter syndrome where you've got a lot of people who aren't up to snuff or don't think they are, and oddly enough the ones who think they are on.

Lee So.

Lee General General Hux is just a dick.

Lee Mm.

Lee You know, he is a it's it's in the same way that it's like sort of, yes, he is clearly, you know, a mass murderer.

Lee But in the weird way that you have with probably quite a few mass murderers, they're actually sort of boring nerdy pricks rather than, you know, there's there's no one who really is Darth Vader.

Lee But there are a shit ton of Anakins is probably the best way of putting it, and similarly, I think General He's basically middle management, unfortunately for his murder.

Chris Somehow.

Chris But it's funny, Snoke actually addresses that by saying, you know, why do I have him so high up?

Chris Well, he's I can't remember how he phrased it.

Chris But essentially.

Lee A rancor.

Chris Yeah, yeah, and he can be manipulated, which is useful.

Chris And yeah, he is like this crazy weapon that he can set off on the world and.

Lee Yeah.

Chris Hopefully.

Lee I think it's also like.

Adam Like we were saying last episode, it's it's a bunch of kids wearing their parents shoes.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Because there was no one, you know, it's almost as if they got the victory and then they didn't train those coming up.

Adam So they're best fitting the way of doing it.

Chris We really see that when Snoke dies and it's.

Chris Like Kylo versus Hux and again, I found that really funny this time and I don't remember laughing at that before, but just the way that it's like he keeps him alive and then, you know, flings him against the side of the TIE when he's annoyed with him.

Lee Like.

Chris It's just kids running the show.

Lee Cut into that bit towards the end.

Lee Again, I there's there's probably stuff in this, there's a lot of stuff in this, one thing that I did me and Claire were talking about was there's something that doesn't happen in Star Wars very often and and it's unfortunate that um Finn gets like action hero dialogue.

Lee Hmm.

Lee When he calls Phasma chrome dome or whatever like that, and it's it's a bit, hey mouse say cheese.

Lee You know, sort of from the Simpsons scratching land episode.

Lee It's just it's like it's because action films have changed since Star Wars started.

Lee So, yeah, weirdly enough that it's almost like someone put in a bit and it's like, oh yeah, Die Hard did come out after Star Wars.

Lee So that's that's a bit that's a bit yippee ki-yay motherfucker.

Lee But it's in no way shape or form in the in the same sort of way.

Lee And it just does again, it rings a bit odd, much the same as the Godspeed you does the your mom joke does.

Lee It's it's the.

Lee But again, none of them are to a point of not wanting of not enjoying this.

Chris Yeah.

Lee And it has to be said, that bit at the end when they're in the um, like Hux and Kylo Ren are in the the shuttle the like the um, the shuttle craft are suspended over the Rebel base where they've got like the attacks coming in and everything else like that.

Lee And that entire sequence on board there is fucking hilarious.

Lee In it because it is sort of stuff like there's just a bit where Adam Driver's brilliant where he just looks at um General Hux when he keeps repeating his orders.

Lee Where it's like, uh, you know, like take them in fire when ready, yes, take them in fire them when ready, and he just sort of looks at him like, well, yes.

Lee And also just the bit where it's he's he says, um, it's like something like power up all weapons and it's like, do you really want to do that and then he just full chokes him against the wall.

Lee And then and then the pilot of the ship just goes, yes, sir, immediately, sir.

Lee And it's.

Lee Yeah, it's just.

Lee Although I was and this is going to be I think second, second or third time that SpongeBob is evoked on this show, the bit where they're all looking because Kylo Ren has said, right, train all your weapons on that one man and fire.

Lee And it's just going on and on and on and you know, everyone's there just like, this is this is awkward actually now, this is this is awkward film.

Lee You're you're comments ain't quite badly here and for some reason it just reminded me of when SpongeBob uh accepts thinks he's been given the managerial ship of the Krusty Krab 2.

Lee And then he's like, I'm just going to get quick Mr. Krabs, you want most embarrassing thing you've ever seen and it's even more embarrassing now it's coming through the microphone and.

Lee Yeah.

Lee It was just again.

Lee Just.

Chris Not.

Chris Not a Star Wars moment, really.

Lee But it's not a Star Wars moment, but I'm so pleased it is because I think there is this like there is space within it.

Lee Hmm.

Lee And certainly, but then other stuff in this really really doesn't pay off.

Lee Um, I mean, I'm right.

Lee So, um, we've sort of we've launched in, so it's 2017.

Lee Um, and um, yeah, I don't think that I don't think I can be asked to go through everything that came out.

Lee Because we're really into the swing of this.

Lee So I apologize for breaking it out there.

Lee And that's a really unprofessional thing I've done there.

Chris See, I I think I think that's meta that fits this.

Chris You know, this film is fine.

Chris It doesn't matter.

Chris Anything is available.

Lee We're subverting all expectations.

Lee And actually, that's something that this film does well, because it's like, oh, so I like the fact that a lot of people were sort of, well, I didn't think that that was going to happen.

Lee And it's like, yeah, and that's the point of entertainment.

Lee Yeah.

Chris They did have a serious amount of twists in this.

Lee Yeah.

Lee But also you've just got stuff like, you know, the this because weirdly enough, this is like.

Lee I think also everyone was like, oh, well, they did so well doing um the Force Awakens and it was like a new hope.

Lee So, obviously, they're going to do like the really dark Empire Strikes Back one.

Lee And they sort of do, but not in the way that people expect.

Lee And also just suddenly in the middle of it, just go, or suddenly just in the middle of it, plonk in the end of Return of the Jedi.

Lee But twist it.

Lee So Darth Vader kills the Emperor and then says to Luke, join me as father and son.

Lee Which would I mean, imagine what a fucked up ending of fucking empire.

Lee Where it'd been where that was the reveal.

Lee So it's not just that he's like, you know, not that he's they're fighting over Cloud City or whatever like that.

Lee But he takes him to the Emperor, kills the Emperor and it's like, by the way, I'm your dad, you fancy running the galaxy and.

Lee Yeah.

Chris And that wasn't even the end of the film.

Lee No.

Lee No, or for me this film this film does have a lot of fucking endings.

Lee Yeah.

Adam The impression that it it was quite designed like it was going to be, which in effect it is, the end of Star Wars, because the film ends and there's like, there's no way out of this, tune in next week.

Adam Very Flash Gordon ending to it.

Lee Well, because this is the thing as well that I hadn't remembered is that this literally starts from the end of The Force Awakens.

Lee Finn Finn is still unconscious in the Medi Bay.

Lee And I don't know quite how long Luke and Ray have been holding.

Chris Quite a long time.

Lee I would estimate roughly about a day and a half, which is a fucking long time really.

Lee And um, yeah, and I hadn't sort of I hadn't recalled that element that sort of element to of how quickly this is like literally the like just it continues from that point, which I think he's a first for Star Wars.

Lee Because most of the time.

Adam Oh, yeah, they'll get between each one.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Yeah, because and that's essentially why you need the um like the opening scroll.

Lee Of most Star Wars films because it's it's apart from apart from the very like apart from a new hope where it's literally setting everything up.

Lee Um, in the later ones it is like, oh, so that's why Luke's there and that's why Leia's doing that or whatever, you know, and so yeah.

Adam That's why they're on that's why they're on Hoth now and not Yavin and.

Lee Yeah.

Lee That's all.

Adam Yeah.

Lee That's all that.

Adam Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Mhm.

Adam Oh, the film has got one of my all-time favorite bits visually, which is the Hyperdrive ramming through the ships.

Lee Yes.

Chris Like yeah, no visually and the added effect of the sound dropping out for that.

Chris I was like in the cinema, I was like like whether it's a cheap trick or what, I loved it.

Chris I was like, that is amazing.

Chris But I had the thought of, but I don't know if that is taking things too far using um lightspeed as a weapon.

Chris It's like, oh, I don't know, does that fit and I've not actually looked into it.

Chris So I don't know if you can comment on that.

Chris But it felt a bit like that might be ruining, you know, because why don't they use that more often possibly.

Lee I I think it's because it is a mutually destructive thing.

Chris Well, potentially, but then, but wouldn't, but wouldn't you set up like remote ship or something?

Chris It just it seemed just a little bit.

Adam The thing is with the star a lot of people have argued that why did Laura Dern have to stay on board.

Chris That must be hold.

Chris Yeah.

Chris Okay.

Chris All right.

Adam Yeah.

Adam But then they can't kill.

Adam Mm.

Adam Either way they will be killing themselves or whoever is staying behind, so that's a Catch 22 situation for a droid.

Chris So so but she didn't originally have that plan though, because she was just going to die in the ship while they all escaped.

Lee She was just going to let it be the pursuit thing.

Lee In and it has to be said, obviously, the majority of Empire Strikes Back is the Empire pursuing the Millennium Falcon, and so similarly, this does have a chase in the middle of it, but it is a fucking low speed chase.

Lee Yeah.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Do you know what I mean?

Chris It's like, but that's almost that's again, you know, they're just trying they are trying things in this that are different, aren't they?

Lee Oh, definitely.

Chris And it's like that could be really boring.

Lee But.

Adam I said.

Lee But I think only by dint of the fact that the other bit of it is literally the bullshit that they.

Lee Yeah.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Send poor Finn off to do.

Lee So you're like, oh, thank God, we're we're back at the low speed car chase.

Lee It.

Lee It feels like in Father Ted where they re- they do there's a Father Ted episode called Speed 3.

Lee And.

Lee It's basically the plot of Speed on a milk float.

Lee And he cannot go less than three miles an hour.

Adam It's brilliant.

Lee It does, but it does have that similar sort of thing.

Lee And.

Lee Actually, that's one thing that we've got to mention is that obviously.

Lee Fuck me, there was a cheer in the audience when we all noticed Aid that first time.

Lee Yeah, hey, excuse me, where was a.

Lee I got a creeping barrage.

Lee Now, I suspect um that that is Mark Hamill's doing because Mark Hamill is obsessed with Rick and Aid.

Lee He.

Lee Um, he's posted about bottom and the young ones and stuff like that loads of times.

Lee And he even uh Mark Hamill is in has a very small role as a cafe owner in one episode of Man Down.

Lee And he said that he took the role purely because and this was after Rick had died, like Rick Mayall had died.

Lee But he took the role so that his name would appear on the same cast list as Rick Mayall.

Lee So.

Lee I mean, you know, he wanted to play the part as well.

Lee Do you know what I mean?

Lee He wanted to do the series as well.

Lee But yeah, it was like he said, yeah, but then my name gets put I've got my name next to Rick Mayall's.

Lee And it's similarly.

Lee I'm assuming that's why Aid is in this.

Lee Is.

Adam He's jealous of Carrie Fisher that's why he got Dead Fred then.

Lee Oh, that's true.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Course she was in that.

Adam We went to pictures to see it.

Lee Yes.

Lee I forgot I forgot she was in that.

Lee But I mean, I think, yeah, so.

Lee And actually, speaking of Carrie Fisher, we didn't mention last time Billy Lord, like obviously her daughter.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Who, can I just say though, and I I like Laura Dern.

Lee I haven't got a problem with Laura Dern.

Lee I'm a bit confused as to why she's dressed like Mrs. Slocombe.

Lee Um.

Adam Perhaps it's because of her pussy.

Lee Oh, right, of course, it would be, wouldn't it?

Lee Yes.

Lee Um.

Lee But.

Lee Um.

Lee Would it it's just a weird one where there's like this sort of thing where Laura Dern comes into it and you're like.

Lee Oh, so she's taken over now.

Lee Okay.

Lee And there's no backstory to it or anything.

Lee I did see someone online.

Lee I did see someone online saying that Lord the Laura Dern part should have been Admiral Ackbar.

Lee Which.

Lee I kind of I I I agree with mostly because it is so shit to kill off Admiral Ackbar off screen.

Lee Where it's like, oh, yeah, we lost Admiral Ackbar.

Lee Uh, Princess Leia apparently can do Mary Poppins shit now.

Chris So that so again, I was a bit half and half when I saw that I I liked the look of it.

Chris And I liked the fact that we saw Leia using some force, but I just wasn't sure if it was a little bit too.

Chris Take it, but then it does sort of fit with the rest of the film.

Chris So watching it again, I don't know, I I think I liked it.

Adam I need to see all the jumping about Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn were doing in The Phantom Menace, I think that that was quite tight really.

Lee Well, yeah.

Lee My mind you if if there's one lesson to take from this from the Star Wars saga as a whole, is falling down very deep things doesn't really do you much harm.

Lee Nah.

Lee There's a lot of people who are apparently dead falling down things that aren't.

Lee So, yeah, including people who have been fucking bisected.

Lee So.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Lee But having do you know that amazing fact about Laura Dern in this film is the fact that every time she held the gun, she kept going pew, pew.

Lee And if you actually watch the film, there's a bit where she shoots this guy, you can actually see her mouth open up and start to make the pew sound as her arm comes up and hides her mouth.

Lee It's actually in the film.

Lee Isn't this this seems to be a problem though, doesn't it?

Lee For everyone it's like when they said that everyone kept doing the fucking lightsaber noises.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Because you you sort of I suppose it's just because you grew up doing it, so you're your brain reverts.

Lee That you're sort of.

Lee You know, sort of muscle memory.

Lee It's like, oh yeah, I'm I'm fighting with a lightsaber.

Lee And.

Lee So, I mean, I have to say.

Lee If there's one thing that the uh, because they are the rebellion again at this point, aren't they, because it's first order is in charge, so it's back to being a rebellion rather than the Republic.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Get faster bombers.

Lee Existent.

Lee Wasn't it?

Lee Resistance, that's it, resistance this time, isn't it?

Lee Yeah.

Lee But yeah, get get faster bomber ships.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Because because they take fucking ages and I know they're full of bombs, but you know, something with it.

Lee Well, I said.

Lee Well, I think.

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