Wolf of Snow Hollow
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It’s Lee’s Birthday choice and he’s picked his favourite of 2020 - Jim Cummings’ second feature “The Wolf of Snow Hollow”. A snowbound comedic thriller in which we learn how not to wake a slumbering policeman in the occult section of the library; that pepper spray makes an ideal First Communion gift; and that Willie Nelson is not doing a lot of serious Police work (but then most of the actual Police force aren’t either). Along the way we discuss “Dagon”, “Inside No. 9” (again, but fuck you it’s brilliant) and horror/comedy podcast “The Monster Hunters”. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES -CURRENT QUARANTINE MEASURES MEANT WE HAD TO RECORD THIS EPISODE REMOTELY.
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UnknownGood evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.
UnknownI'm Chris.
UnknownI'm Adam.
UnknownAnd I'm Jennifer.
UnknownThat's right.
UnknownWhat is she doing here?
UnknownI was trying to work out. It's been about a year since you've been here.
UnknownWell, I've been busy. You know, lockdown. There's a lot to do.
UnknownI've been staying in. I've been staying in and occasionally staying in.
UnknownShe's so sick of the piss inside of me that as soon as I'm podcasting,
Unknownshe's like an hour and a half away from your face.
UnknownIt is true. I get a little bit of time to watch my own TV.
UnknownAnd yeah, that's fair enough.
UnknownI should also like to point out for the for those listening, if there are possible sound quality issues.
UnknownChris had forgotten we were podcasting this evening, despite the fact we've done it for the last three years.
UnknownEvery night.
UnknownEvery week.
UnknownEvery week at the same night.
UnknownAnd he's recording from his car in Norfolk in a field.
UnknownI just need to set the record straight.
UnknownI forgot we were coming to Norfolk in a field, not that we were podcasting.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI was assured.
UnknownI was assured that Norfolk has the most amazing connections you could ever have.
UnknownI thought, that's fine.
UnknownI can podcast in a field.
UnknownI mean, they've had electricity since 1993.
UnknownI heard something like that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd equally, it is young Teddington's birthday as well.
UnknownSo Adam is utterly...
UnknownHey!
UnknownHey!
UnknownWho's going to sing for us?
UnknownLee, you like singing.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSinging, all right.
UnknownNo, I don't.
UnknownYes.
UnknownFor the benefits of the tape, I don't do singing.
UnknownI used to mime when people used to all sing Happy Birthday.
UnknownI now even refuse to do that.
UnknownAh.
UnknownBut we did make sure we didn't sing for you.
UnknownI did make a point.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownJennifer's family made a point of not singing Happy Birthday to me,
Unknownwhich I thought was a real sign that people get me.
UnknownWhich is lovely.
UnknownI love the way you've escalated that to the point where it's like,
Unknowndon't sing Happy Birthday round him.
UnknownLike in the care home.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWhen you've got 80 and it's like,
Unknowndon't sing Happy Birthday round him.
UnknownWhy?
UnknownHe just wanks.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHe just drops his trousers and just fires one off just to try and diffuse the distraction.
UnknownTo clear the room.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo we are here this evening for my birthday, Joyce,
Unknownto cover the Wolf of Snow Hollow.
UnknownBut in an abbreviated version of our normal lead-in to the full movie,
UnknownChris, how are you getting on with your MCU watching?
UnknownOh, well, remember, it's only the fifth week that I've been doing this for.
UnknownAs I've noticed, in fact, it's probably like, you know, it's probably more than that.
UnknownBut you'll be pleased to know I've reached the end.
UnknownReally?
UnknownReally?
UnknownI've reached the end of the movies.
UnknownSo we've seen Endgame.
UnknownAnd similar to Harry Potter, it gets way better than I expected it to get.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt gets a lot darker.
UnknownAnd there was a lot more to Thanos and just everything sort of just it kept progressing.
UnknownAnd I was thinking, OK, this is actually I should have watched this years ago.
UnknownIt's definitely it's better than, you know, I sort of think of superhero.
UnknownYeah, they're fun.
UnknownBut there was actually some depth sort of coming in.
UnknownIt's yeah, very good.
UnknownAnd then we saw the new Spider-Man after that, which is Far From Home, which I loved because I'm trying to think, what do I not give away?
UnknownIt started to seem like the original Spider-Man cartoons.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause of what was going on in it, the characters.
UnknownAnd yeah, I have a sense that Spider-Man is aimed at a younger audience.
UnknownI don't know if you agree with that, Lee.
UnknownYou've seen it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI mean, I think it's still got the it still works for everybody.
UnknownBut yeah, I see what you mean.
UnknownYou could definitely show the Spider-Man movies to a younger audience that you possibly couldn't show some of the others to.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd I think the comedy lends itself a little more to younger audience.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd so.
UnknownSo.
UnknownBut yeah, it had a nice twist in it.
UnknownI won't say anymore.
UnknownThe twist was fantastic.
UnknownReally good.
UnknownAnd I love the actor.
UnknownDonnie Darko.
UnknownJake.
UnknownGilliam Hall.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHe's fantastic.
UnknownSo yeah, I really enjoyed that.
UnknownHe's.
UnknownOh, what's his bloody name, isn't he?
UnknownFishbowl Head.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYes.
UnknownSo that's what I was trying not to say.
UnknownI was thinking.
UnknownDo we want to give that away?
UnknownBut he's a classic Spider-Man.
UnknownWell, I've not seen it and I know he's in it.
UnknownFair enough.
UnknownAll right.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo Mysterio.
UnknownThat's it.
UnknownThank you.
UnknownAnd I loved seeing him because I didn't realise he was going to be in it at all.
UnknownAnd I remember him a lot from the comics as being Spider-Man's main nemesis.
UnknownCertainly for a while.
UnknownObviously there's Green Goblin points as well.
UnknownBut yeah.
UnknownMysterio was always fascinating to me because of the way he could adjust reality.
UnknownAnd I kind of like the way they've explained that in this.
UnknownI thought it was brilliantly done.
UnknownReally clever.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownTechnology use.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo yeah.
UnknownI really enjoyed that.
UnknownI'd really like to see them bring Kraven into it.
UnknownKraven the hunter.
UnknownOh.
UnknownBecause I don't know him.
UnknownHe's basically.
UnknownHe's a big game hunter.
UnknownBut he's killed everything else.
UnknownSo it's like.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSpider-Man.
UnknownHe's like.
UnknownHe's an unusual specimen.
UnknownSo yeah.
UnknownThey'd look good though.
UnknownThe head on the wall, wouldn't it?
UnknownSpider-Man.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat's your poster.
UnknownThat is the movie.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat would work.
UnknownAnd I would definitely go and see that.
UnknownExcellent.
UnknownWell done.
UnknownCongratulations on making it up to date then, Chris.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo we are watching the WandaVision now.
UnknownWhich is not a movie.
UnknownBut it's good.
UnknownIt changes.
UnknownWe're not at the end.
UnknownBut yeah.
UnknownExcellent.
UnknownI've not given it a go yet.
UnknownBut I will do at some point.
UnknownAdam.
UnknownLooking exhausted over there.
UnknownSorry.
UnknownOh, sorry.
UnknownJust very quickly.
UnknownBefore we move on.
UnknownJennifer, you were drawing letters in the air with your finger.
UnknownWere you trying to work out what the MCU stood for?
UnknownYes.
UnknownIt's the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownI was trying to think of the name of the films.
UnknownAnd I couldn't remember what they were anyway.
UnknownI just thought I'd better clear.
UnknownI'm sure the listeners know.
UnknownWell, they might not.
UnknownI thought if it's confusing.
UnknownI'm listening and I don't know.
UnknownThat's fair enough.
UnknownAdam.
UnknownSorry.
UnknownWhat have you seen?
UnknownI have seen nothing.
UnknownOh.
UnknownBut I have heard many things.
UnknownOh.
UnknownBasically, I'm going to recommend because, yeah, it's been obviously been a fairly odd week.
UnknownSo there's plenty that I'm, I've got piles of stuff to go through as yet and just haven't got around to any of it.
UnknownBut I have completed listening to all, literally every episode of a podcast called The Monster Hunters.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownAnd this is of particular recommendation to our listeners because I think, I think it's one of those ones a bit that they would get it.
UnknownIt very much harks back to our horror comedy episodes because it's a full, it's a full cast, like, story.
UnknownYou know, it's not a podcast where it's just talking heads like us or it's an actual, you know, it's basically a radio play that they've released as a podcast rather than on the radio.
UnknownBut, yeah, it's called The Monster Hunters and it's written and directed by two guys, Peter Davis and Matthew Woodcock.
UnknownAnd the reason I found it is Peter Davis does a really good, he does a podcast called The Hellraiser Podcast, which is literally, as you would imagine, a podcast all about Hellraiser.
UnknownAnd I really enjoy, I really enjoy those.
UnknownHe also, the two guys, him and another guy who do that, they also do a podcast called Horror Movie Maniacs, which is kind of their, similar to us where it's just they go through classic horror films and stuff like that.
UnknownBut, yeah, so The Monster Hunters is, the best way I can describe it is it's the best thing that Matt Berry's not in.
UnknownBecause it has that total feeling.
UnknownApparently, they met whilst acting at the London Dungeon, which obviously is where Matt Berry sort of started acting as well.
UnknownBut basically, yeah, it's set in the early 70s and they said that their touchstone for it is kind of Dracula AD 1972.
UnknownNice.
UnknownAnd it's that where it's like that sort of groovy 70s versus monsters thing.
UnknownAnd they play, they play Laura McChesterfield and Roy Steele.
UnknownAnd Laura McChesterfield is the brains of the outfit.
UnknownHe's like the sort of Giles from Buffy, the Doctor, Professor Quatermass type.
UnknownAnd then Roy Steele is a two-fisted man of action.
UnknownAnd, yeah, it's genuinely really good.
UnknownAnd as they go on, there's, in the first series, there's like little sort of horror, there's references that you'll pick up anyway.
UnknownLike there's, but it's all quite subtle things.
UnknownLike at one point, one of them saying, someone says, what's going on down there?
UnknownI want you to know that I don't find this in the slightest bit amusing, which is from American Werewolf and things like that.
UnknownAnd, but yeah, they, it's genuinely really, really funny, really well produced.
UnknownAnd they also, as, as it goes on, they sort of build up their repertory company almost where it's like, so you have villains come back and team up with new villains or you get sort of characters there.
UnknownLike there's, there's, there's a love, there's a lovely, there's a thing in it where, because Roy Steele is basically meant to be a very sort of like a seventies sort of Bondy sort of like ladies man type guy.
UnknownBut they have a scientist who he hooks up with at one point and her name is Dr. Ladyface, which is just fantastic.
UnknownBut also the main, the real main thing for me is their boss is a guy called Sir Maxwell House, who is fucking mental.
UnknownHe, it's one of those ones where it sort of, it starts off and he's a funny character.
UnknownAnd then by the time you get to like sort of series three, you're like, how would, how do you actually operate on a day to day level?
UnknownBecause he is just like balmy, genuinely, you know, I think he gets, he gets a lot of the best lines.
UnknownHe's just brilliant.
UnknownBut yeah, so I absolutely recommend everyone go and listen to that.
UnknownYou guys listen to it because it is just genuinely, yeah, it's just, it's just so good.
UnknownSo good.
UnknownListen to him in order as well, because like I say, they do actually, they have like a throughput of, they do have an overall story arc.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAs well as just being really good little comedy horror plays and stuff like that.
UnknownUm, and then, uh, my other recommendation is of course, uh, as yet unexplained.
UnknownYes.
UnknownFrom, uh, from our, uh, absolutely.
UnknownMos Eisley, uh, co-conspirator, Mr. Wesley Smith.
UnknownUm, again, I, I mean, I trust Wes, you know, it's unknown for long enough.
UnknownI trust, well, no, I don't trust him that way.
UnknownNo, not, not, not, not, not with money or, you know, dirty pictures or anything like that.
UnknownBut no, um, I, I trust that he would come out with something good, but it's really fucking good.
UnknownAnd the production is out of this fucking world.
UnknownHe's really, he's really crafted that, hasn't he?
UnknownHe's really gone.
UnknownAbsolutely, yeah.
UnknownAbsolutely.
UnknownWonderful.
UnknownFantastic.
UnknownYeah, get out and check that out.
UnknownHmm.
UnknownStrangely.
UnknownUm, I, I, we have caught up on your recommendation, Adam.
UnknownLet's say recommendation.
UnknownWe would have caught up on it, but we'd forgot that it existed until you recommended it.
UnknownSo, so we've caught up with the first two episodes of Inside Number Nine.
UnknownAh, yes.
UnknownUm, yes, again, the, Inside Number Nine is one of those shows that I thought they'd run
Unknownout of things to do after season two and somehow they still seem to be getting better each episode.
UnknownI don't know how they manage it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah, just absolutely brilliant.
UnknownI don't want to give anything away because, as always, with Inside Number Nine, everything
Unknownhinges on the twist.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it isn't always one.
UnknownUm, but yeah.
UnknownNo, I think that's what they've innovated with now is that they, because it's like we're
Unknownthe twist show.
UnknownSo it's all right.
UnknownSo we'll, well, we'll turn it, we'll turn the screw about 10 minutes, then change it
Unknownagain about 20 and then just before the end, we'll rip the carpet out from under it.
UnknownSo.
UnknownOh, just incredible.
UnknownIt's fantastic.
UnknownIt's, I know what you mean though, because it is, it is a weird thing where you just assume
Unknownat some point this must get, you know, you've got to run out of ideas or whatever like that.
UnknownAnd it's actually, I think this is so far, this has been probably one of the strongest
Unknownseries.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know, it's a real, um, really, really cracking, um, stuff, but they, um, on another
Unknownpodcast tip, there is on BBC sounds, there's Inside Inside Number Nine.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd after each episode, Rhys and Steve just go through what the episode's about and interview
Unknownpeople and sort of talk about, um, bits and pieces with regards to the production and stuff
Unknownlike that and where the idea came from.
UnknownUm, and they had, um, and also at the end of it, they will tell you where the hair was
Unknownin the previous episode.
UnknownOh, yes.
UnknownI've been looking out for it for the last two seasons and I haven't seen the damn thing.
UnknownI think I've only spotted it a couple of times.
UnknownInterestingly enough, in the, in the one with the, um, the script writer and the fan.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownUh, episode.
UnknownUm, they said, apparently it's, they said where it was, but they also said, oh, um, it's wearing
Unknowna little COVID mask.
UnknownOh.
UnknownUm, and, but they said, we kind of thought, oh, that'll be a nice thing because we'll be
Unknownable to look back on that and go, oh, yes.
UnknownYou remember when we, it was like, no, we're still here.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownUm, yeah.
UnknownSo that's, uh, that's steaming ahead nicely.
UnknownUm, we also, as we mentioned on the last one, following the Jason Buck reading that we
Unknownhad, uh, of the shadow over Innsmouth, I showed Jennifer Dagon for the first time.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOoh.
UnknownWhat did you make of Dagon, Jennifer?
UnknownWell, I think it helped that I was in the mood for that, having, you know, to say, listened
Unknownto the shadow over Innsmouth.
UnknownBut if I hadn't have just listened to that story and known what the film was kind of getting
Unknownat, it was just a bit of a silly film.
UnknownLike, you know, it was, I think that was the only thing that held it together for me
Unknownwas that I knew the backstory.
UnknownIt was the only thing that held it to the story.
UnknownSo I added something to it.
UnknownI think if I'd just watched it cold, I would have been like, this is stupid.
UnknownWhat's going on?
UnknownOkay.
UnknownFair enough.
UnknownIs that fair?
UnknownDid I see Lee's eyes start glowing then?
UnknownGlowing red.
UnknownI mean, it was sort of cheesy, well, cheesy 90s really, wasn't it?
UnknownIt is.
UnknownIt's one of those films where I know it's rubbish.
UnknownYes.
UnknownBut because, as Jennifer said, I think that's the thing.
UnknownI think because I love the H.P. Lovecraft story on which it's very loosely based, I think
Unknownthat's why I, and again, so many people have tried to do H.P. Lovecraft stuff.
UnknownIt's one of the better adaptions, definitely.
UnknownI mean, I didn't know how they were going to do it, to be fair, because when you listen
Unknownto the story, it's very first person and you don't think that wouldn't work for a film.
UnknownAnd so, yeah, I mean, I think, you know, it's clever what they've done, but I probably
Unknownwon't ever watch it again.
UnknownThat's fair.
UnknownI've only seen it a few times.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYeah, I wouldn't rush out.
UnknownYou know, people out there, listeners, don't rush out and buy it.
UnknownBut, you know, if someone's got it for free that you can borrow, that's fine.
UnknownIs that fair?
UnknownYeah, I think so.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownWell, I mean, I'd still like to cover it on the show one day.
UnknownOh, yeah, I'd be happy to cover it.
UnknownYou know, like Inside Number Nine, if we do start running out of things, then.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah, eventually.
UnknownSeason 20.
UnknownDoesn't it look like we've run out of much so far?
UnknownNo.
UnknownWell, Adam and I were having a discussion during the week about what we're going to cover after
Unknownthis episode.
UnknownAnd even that was born out of which of these three would we do next if we were going to
Unknowndo one of them?
UnknownNot necessarily, because there's hundreds, but we are going to stick to it.
UnknownWe've decided.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd we've got something a bit special planned.
UnknownOoh.
UnknownOoh.
UnknownExciting.
UnknownWell, it's Adam has very helpfully been back through the back catalogue and looking
Unknownat things that are a larger influence that we should have covered more.
UnknownAnd he basically came back and said, we're doing him a disservice because we haven't introduced
Unknownhim to this genre as much as we should, considering how important it is.
UnknownSo we're going to...
UnknownDon't do me a disservice.
UnknownI don't like that.
UnknownI'll tell you what we might run out of is Halloween or Christmas themed.
UnknownI imagine that might start to get a little harder.
UnknownCould have been a Christmas film.
UnknownI'd forgotten that it all happens at Christmas.
UnknownThat's very true.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOoh.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo without further ado...
UnknownYes.
UnknownThe Christmas film that we're covering on the 29th of May.
UnknownWe have just watched, as promised, The Wolf of Snow Hollow.
UnknownI've heard of this a couple of times.
UnknownYes.
UnknownI got a little bit excited and wouldn't stop talking about this film.
UnknownAnd I don't know what's taking us until now to cover it because we've got such a massive
Unknownback catalogue, I think.
UnknownBut, yes.
UnknownSo, Adam, I'm going to go to you first.
UnknownAgain, this was your first song.
UnknownI've seen it also.
UnknownWhat did you make of The Wolf of Snow Hollow?
UnknownWell, I mean, I thought that...
UnknownI thought Leonardo DiCaprio was excellent.
UnknownMargot Robbie's great.
UnknownIt was great seeing Henry Zebrowski from last podcast.
UnknownYou know?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSorry.
UnknownI could not fucking resist.
UnknownNo.
UnknownWhat I...
UnknownI think the weird thing is, is watching this, is I sort of...
UnknownI finished it and I just turned to Claire and I said...
UnknownI can't...
UnknownNot because it's not a good film, but I was like...
UnknownI'm just shocked that Lee's like...
UnknownThis is a...
UnknownYou know, this is Lee's top film of last year.
UnknownBecause I was like...
UnknownYou know, it's kind of...
UnknownIt's funny.
UnknownBut it's also quite sort of...
UnknownMoving.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIn its own sort of way.
UnknownI am going to...
UnknownAt this point, we're going to put out...
UnknownRight.
UnknownThere's going to be spoilers.
UnknownSo...
UnknownFor Christ's sake, go and see this.
UnknownBecause it is worth watching this film.
UnknownIt is not...
UnknownDon't be...
UnknownSort of...
UnknownOh, well, I'll listen to that.
UnknownSee if it will...
UnknownYou know...
UnknownI mean, we've done a hundred odd episodes.
UnknownSee where our tastes lie.
UnknownI think all three...
UnknownAll four of us seem to be on pretty much the same page with this.
UnknownSo...
UnknownDefinitely stop the podcast now.
UnknownGo and watch it.
UnknownAnd then return.
UnknownYes.
UnknownHave you done that?
UnknownGood.
UnknownNow, because there's spoilers coming up.
UnknownSo...
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut also, it was, as it turns out, a non-supernatural film.
UnknownIt's much more of a thriller than probably anything else.
UnknownAlthough, not to say that you...
UnknownYou know, these are not things that you don't...
UnknownYou wouldn't particularly like.
UnknownBut it was all like...
UnknownSort of like in a combo.
UnknownI'm like...
UnknownYou know, it's unusual that it's a set of elements.
UnknownSo this is our mystery then.
UnknownHow can we work out what it is that really appeals to Lee?
UnknownYou're right.
UnknownOne of my most...
UnknownOne of my top turn-offs on a film is when it's supernatural until the end.
UnknownAnd then it...
UnknownBut for some reason, this film, it just made me piss myself laughing.
UnknownIn no way, took anything away from the story.
UnknownIt...
UnknownAnd I'll tell you what.
UnknownMore than anything, it just felt very Coen Brothers.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's not...
UnknownIs that the same?
UnknownIt's not...
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's...
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI mean, basically, it's Fargo.
UnknownIt's Fargo with the Wolves.
UnknownUm...
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut it's not...
UnknownIt's not wisecracks.
UnknownIt's not necessarily...
UnknownFunny dialogue is the wrong term, but it's...
UnknownYou know, the dialogue is funny because of the context it's in.
UnknownIs it?
UnknownI thought it was the style...
UnknownThe style of how the comedy is done.
UnknownBecause also, what I sort of wondered about was...
UnknownUm...
UnknownWiley would necessarily like it.
UnknownIt's because it is a bit awkward in its comedy.
UnknownYes.
UnknownBecause it's a bit of a...
UnknownYes.
UnknownIt's a bit of a comedy tragedy, isn't it?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI think the thing...
UnknownReally.
UnknownI think the thing I got from it, having watched it last night for the fourth time now, um...
UnknownThis year.
UnknownUm...
UnknownIt is just how...
UnknownYou're absolutely right.
UnknownBecause you go into...
UnknownSome of it's very serious.
UnknownSome of it's hilarious.
UnknownAnd you go into every scene not knowing where it's going.
UnknownAnd normally, for me, that's terrible.
UnknownBecause I'd be like, this is so up and down.
UnknownI don't know if I'm supposed to be laughing.
UnknownOr am I going to laugh at something?
UnknownOr crying, yeah.
UnknownIt suddenly becomes inappropriate, which happens quite a lot.
UnknownBut for some reason, the way that it's all just smashed together, it just works for me.
UnknownAnd it absolutely drew me.
UnknownAnd it kept me on the edge of my seat.
UnknownBecause I never knew how I was supposed...
UnknownLike, every scene.
UnknownThe scene where they go in to see the boyfriend of the first victim.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd he's in his mum's kitchen.
UnknownAnd they're packing the stuff up.
UnknownAnd I thought it was going to turn jokey.
UnknownAnd then he got aggressive.
UnknownAnd then he burst into tears.
UnknownAnd I was just in this, like, rollercoaster of emotion.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd I didn't know what was going to happen.
UnknownLiterally, from sentence to sentence, this film just turned on a dime every time.
UnknownI love that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownDo you know what?
UnknownIt reminded me a bit of the lead character, Jim Cunningham, I think is the actor.
UnknownHe almost made me think he could be in, like, Letterkenny, something like that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWhere it's just...
UnknownIt was funny, but with, yeah, dramatic elements.
UnknownAnd just the way he's responding to the situations is just...
UnknownHe could flip or he could be, you know, understanding or it's just like, yeah.
UnknownAnd it was that moment as well.
UnknownThat was the bit I loved was the fact that every time somebody spoke to him, he kind of stopped for a moment and everything went into a pause while he processed what he was going to do next.
UnknownAnd then either shout, slap somebody in the face or go and secretly drink.
UnknownAnd he didn't know which reaction was going to happen after anything that happened throughout the film.
UnknownI'll tell you what, also, just as a...
UnknownIt's...
UnknownOne thing I really enjoyed about it was the fact that he spends most of the film having to argue with people.
UnknownNo, actually, this is your fucking job.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause of the amount of butt-passing and sort of...
UnknownYeah, but he was being a bit defensive as well, though, because ultimately everyone was saying, well, it's your job to catch them.
UnknownAnd obviously...
UnknownBut it made me think that that was a serious element to it.
UnknownImagine something like that happening in a relatively small, remote town and how it would start to affect you.
UnknownBecause you're like, well, we sort of know a lot of the people here.
UnknownWhat's going on?
UnknownLike, who could it be?
UnknownEspecially when...
UnknownLike, when they started doing those interviews with people, that's when it sort of stepped up in intensity for me.
UnknownBecause I don't know if, you know, it went with the music.
UnknownBut it was just like, yeah, we're all sort of a bit wary of each other.
UnknownLike, we're pointing at it.
UnknownIt was definitely him.
UnknownIt was definitely him.
UnknownHe's a weirdo, you know.
UnknownAnd it's like, you would all start to be a bit, well, what's going on?
UnknownLike, how could this possibly be happening?
UnknownIt's like cabin fever, but on a slightly bigger scale.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know, if there's a murder in London, it could be one of, you know, a million people.
UnknownBut if there's only 300 people in the village, somebody knows the person who's done it.
UnknownLike, it's one of you.
UnknownIt's all hairy guys.
UnknownSure, look like that.
UnknownRight at the start.
UnknownBut you've got some people obviously trying to really say it is a werewolf.
UnknownSo, like, just as the, you know, the chief of police, like, trying to make the decision about, well, obviously, we obviously know it isn't a werewolf because they don't exist.
UnknownBut, you know, it's like, what's going on?
UnknownThere's something weird going on here.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd at that point, of course, you don't know because you're watching a horror film.
UnknownSo, as the author, you know, you are like, well, yeah.
UnknownYeah, who do you trust?
UnknownWho is right?
UnknownHe's wrong.
UnknownHe's just, I think it's a normal person.
UnknownAnd now it's obviously going to be a werewolf.
UnknownAnd, yeah, it's quite clever.
UnknownBut also, you see the werewolf.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd, okay, as it turns out, it's Scooby-Doo.
UnknownBut there is a werewolf suit.
UnknownSo, you are kind of, you're lulled into that camp as well, where it's like, well, it is a werewolf because we've seen the werewolf.
UnknownAnd I'm double taking it, Jennifer, now.
UnknownThat, you know, what suits is she making behind the scenes?
UnknownWell, I know.
UnknownI mean, isn't it always blame the taxidermist?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI mean, oh, taxidermist, they're going to be the killer.
UnknownI know.
UnknownRidiculous.
UnknownDon't we blame the taxidermist?
UnknownAs Vix Lewis-Smith said, there is only one thing stranger than people who stuff dead animals.
UnknownAnd that's people who stuff live animals.
UnknownAnd very tall people.
UnknownYes.
UnknownOne thing I thought that I really, I really liked, and especially because right at the start, because I knew, basically, I got the disc.
UnknownAnd I sort of avoided getting involved with, like, getting involved with trailers or spoilers or anything like that.
UnknownYou know, I didn't want to know anything going into it.
UnknownBut sort of like, you know, just, and people are saying also, it's, I think, is it Jim Cummings?
UnknownYes.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYes.
UnknownAnd obviously, he wrote, directed, and starred in it.
UnknownYes.
UnknownAnd which, you know, not only that, but also when you see something like that, the hairs on the back of your neck stand up because you just cannot help but think Garth Marenghi.
UnknownNo, it does make you worry because there is a grand tradition in low-budget films of writer, director, stars, and most of the time, it's not a good combo.
UnknownYeah, no, I agree.
UnknownThey're either good at one and bad at the others, or just shit at all of them.
UnknownAre there any films that we've seen where that is the case?
UnknownAny others?
UnknownI don't think so.
UnknownI don't know what I can think of because we generally only show you good films.
UnknownWell, yeah, that's true.
UnknownI mean, well, I mean, if we were to show you, like, say, for example, I mean, like, the obvious one, The Room.
UnknownNo, that's an unfair example of a really, really bad film.
UnknownBut, you know, you're sort of coming from that, you'd come to it with that sort of thing where it's like, oh, and, but I didn't know who Jim Cummings was.
UnknownMm-hmm.
UnknownAnd at the start of it, you're kind of, they give you the first, like, the, the, the first, like, at the start of it, you've got the couple where obviously the girlfriend is murdered.
UnknownMm-hmm.
UnknownBut I wasn't sure, oh, are we following this guy around for this film?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause this guy seems a bit of a prick.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownUm, but, I mean, and, but fortunately, but, and that's something that I really appreciate with this film is he does do a really good sleight of hand of every so often they introduce you to a character.
UnknownAnd you, you go with it where it's like, right, you've given, given us a lot of backstory, you've shown us a thing.
UnknownMm-hmm.
UnknownAnd it's like, there's the, the woman who gets murdered, who's like the coach.
UnknownMm-hmm.
UnknownAnd they actually do the scene of her sitting at the table looking suspicious.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo you're already on the thing of, oh, is she the killer?
UnknownMm-hmm.
UnknownOr is this the, and then she gets killed.
UnknownBut you've been totally wrong-footed to sort of buy into this character who then dies within, like, five minutes of appearing on screen.
UnknownAnd every time I forget how gory her death is.
UnknownLike, when it literally rips her arm off and she's just flailing around with it.
UnknownIt's really, and I kept waiting for her to get away.
UnknownBecause as you say, Adam, like, it, you don't, obviously, when you look back at it now, you realise her strange reaction is because she's seeing the killer because he does turn up and groom these people.
UnknownAs it were.
UnknownSo that's her reaction to him.
UnknownBut as you say, at first, when you see it, you think, is that her looking at the, is that her being uncomfortable and wondering?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo you do kind of, so I kept waiting for her to get away.
UnknownMm-hmm.
UnknownAnd it'd be, as you say, a slight of pain where she's going to turn out to actually be the, somebody's going to try and surprise her.
UnknownI thought she did get away.
UnknownVery much the second time we watched it, there were so many things that I was convinced were going to happen, which I think does show you how clever the sleight of hand is.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOr that my memory is terrible.
UnknownBut do you know what I mean?
UnknownBecause, yeah, your brain's going, oh, yeah, yeah, we're meeting this person.
UnknownOh, yeah, she definitely lives.
UnknownAnd you just think you've remembered that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd then she doesn't.
UnknownAnd I'm like, oh, I totally misremembered that.
UnknownSo that is interesting.
UnknownAnd it's like with the couple in the opening sequence where they sort of come in and it's like, that just feels like the opening of 101 horror films.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know, it could be Sinister or, you know, because it starts off with someone moving into a new house.
UnknownIt could be Amityville or something like this.
UnknownYou know what I mean?
UnknownWhere it's like.
UnknownSo, yeah, I assumed that we were with the couple for the duration, then at least with the boyfriend for the duration.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause of the way that they sort of do it.
UnknownBut no.
UnknownAnd it's, I really, in a weird way, it follows a lot more police procedural than horror movie.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd I do like all the stuff where it's like him sitting there going, no, it's a serial killer because they do this, this and this.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd, you know, it's all stuff that is entirely accurate.
UnknownAnd afterwards, I've sort of, I've seen, I've seen an interview, someone conducted, like it's on YouTube, like an interview with Jim Cummings.
UnknownAnd he, what was it he said?
UnknownSomeone said, oh, you know, where do you stand on the thing of the, you know, people have said, oh, in terms of your film, the, you know, it's only women that get brutally murdered.
UnknownAnd he went, yeah, but that's a serial killer.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know, it's not something, it's not something you question in Silence of the Lambs.
UnknownNo.
UnknownWell, he did, he did sort of point it out in the film, didn't it?
UnknownBecause they talk about the background of werewolves and, and then, and women getting attacked.
UnknownAnd, and he's like, have women had to put up with this sort of thing for a long time?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThe way she looks at him is fucking great.
UnknownI really liked her character.
UnknownShe was great.
UnknownBecause she, she was, she, like, because obviously throughout you're thinking he's losing it.
UnknownHe's just, you know, he's going to go wrong, completely wrong at some point, probably.
UnknownBecause he basically, his entire life is ruined from his anger issues, which he obviously dealt with with drink.
UnknownAnd so that was a problem.
UnknownBut actually he's still doing police work pretty well, you know, as well as anybody else there is managing it.
UnknownAnd especially with his, his relationship with his dad, obviously that's pretty complex because he's meant to be taken over.
UnknownBut, you know, he doesn't want that to be happening.
UnknownAnd so that's quite a difficult situation to be in.
UnknownBut yeah, just the way she is sort of supporting him throughout, I thought it was great.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo yeah, I really liked her character as well.
UnknownIt's also one of those ones where all the way through it, I was thinking, because you kind of expect there is an element, you know, obviously he, well, in the end, they both take down the killer.
UnknownAnd they both come to the conclusion at roughly the same point.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWhich I loved.
UnknownWhere it's like, so she's twigged it because of the, the, the, the Bodkin, like the weird, the scene ripper, that's it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat has been left behind.
UnknownAnd, but then he twigs it just because he's like, oh yeah, I'm not married.
UnknownAnd it's like, yeah.
UnknownAnd every other moment you've said, well, my wife's going to kill me when this goes out.
UnknownOh, my wife.
UnknownAnd it's, so they both, they both solve it.
UnknownBut all the way through, you're like, she is so much more capable because he, you know, he's, he's morally right.
UnknownBut equally, there are enough people there where you think they probably do have a point when they're saying, well, you didn't fucking solve this.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOr you haven't sorted this out properly.
UnknownAnd it's like, I'm just so glad that at the end she is the sheriff.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause it's like, yeah, no, the right person here has got the job.
UnknownYou know, I think that that's, that was something that I really, really appreciated with it.
UnknownAnd, and actually Robert Forster as the dad, like the old sheriff.
UnknownI mean, obviously, I think this, this is actually his last film role because he was really, he was really quite ill.
UnknownUm, but for me that, that was again, another evocation of something where it's quirky small town stuff is he was the sheriff in the third series of Twin Peaks, like the recent one.
UnknownUm, because the original sheriff Truman, um, has retired from acting.
UnknownI think he's an agent now and he didn't want to come back and do it.
UnknownSo they brought him in as his brother.
UnknownUh, and, and apparently he'd actually been offered the role originally way back whenever and he couldn't do it.
UnknownSo it went to Harry Goaz and it's like, yeah.
UnknownUm, but again, it's that thing, that thing that you can sort of, you kind of appreciate where it's like, for fuck's sake, dad, leave it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWhen, when a parent gets to that point where it's like, look, you may not be able to hack this anymore.
UnknownCan you please be fucking sensible about this?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWhich is, which is that horrible sort of, there's that horrible moment.
UnknownNo doubt Ted will, I mean, Ted probably having about four weeks time, but you know, it's that horrible moment that you do have at one point where it's like, why am I the fucking parent now?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause you're having to tell them to fucking behave themselves.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOr, you know, do something properly.
UnknownAnd yeah, I think that they, I think that, that plays out beautifully.
UnknownAnd I, I love, I also love the economy of this film because at one point I was like, is this jumping around in time?
UnknownHmm.
UnknownWhich it kind of does.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut not, it's not sort of, it's not sort of over, like overly, you know, you're not sort of like picking up on shit from, oh, right, this is meant to be three weeks later or something like that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut there is just sort of like, there's certain bits like the, the second attack is played out with him being told that they've found the body, which is obviously the next day.
UnknownHmm.
UnknownAnd so you get a bit of sort of odd transitions of time, but also there's a lot of, you, like you said, Lee, it's sort of, because it's where it slams you into every scene.
UnknownBut there's very little sort of walking, if you see what I mean.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThere's not much sort of, you just go into them.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd again, as you say, with the murders as well, obviously the passage of time, there's the first two killings on the full moon.
UnknownThen there isn't anything for a month, but it doesn't, it doesn't have to tell you that.
UnknownYou just kind of get it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's a werewolf.
UnknownSo you just kind of work that in your head.
UnknownBut yeah, so you have, so there's anything that happens between finding the body and the next killing could happen any time in that 30 day window.
UnknownAnd you don't know how much they've jumped from one week to the next.
UnknownIs that apart from, you know, like you see the funeral.
UnknownSo you see him at the, him at the, at the crime scene.
UnknownThen it's the funeral.
UnknownAnd then it's, well, we know this is going to happen again tonight.
UnknownSo it's all smashed together.
UnknownBut yeah, it just does it in such a nice, not a nice way.
UnknownLike, I don't know.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI mean, it's jerky, but it's supposed to be.
UnknownIt works.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI don't, and you're absolutely right, Adam.
UnknownThis is a film that on paper.
UnknownYou should.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd I, I just, it is in my top 10 films of the last decade.
UnknownIt absolutely nailed it.
UnknownAnd it's the comedy that just, that was what I picked up on to begin with.
UnknownLike the laughs in this have made me laugh out loud.
UnknownLike nothing else in so long.
UnknownLike him slapping everybody.
UnknownDo you think it is him?
UnknownLike a lot to do with him as, as the actor or the character?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownCause.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI think because he wrote it and he acted, I think he obviously has, he's written it for
Unknownhis own comic timing.
UnknownSo that character just works so perfectly for him.
UnknownBut it's the same with the father, you know, like the, when they're all about to go out and
Unknownhe says, I won't ask you to join me in prayer.
UnknownCause of the God damn life.
UnknownThat's it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThere's a lot of down to earth elements in it.
UnknownI think it's, and I, I completely related to the, you know, uh, to Jim Cummings.
UnknownHe just, yeah.
UnknownHe got it across so well.
UnknownSomebody going through what he's going through.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThe interesting thing was, is that in the, in the interview that I watched is he said,
Unknownum, uh, they said, Oh, you know, is it, you, obviously you have starred in this cause he's,
Unknownhe's done a film before this called Thunder Road.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHave you seen it Lee?
UnknownI haven't, but I wanted it cause I'm going to watch it definitely.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownCause, cause that was based, that's based on like a short film he did.
UnknownAnd again, he is playing the, the main character.
UnknownUm, and they were sort of in the interview, they were like, so is this,
Unknownlike, uh, is this a budgetary choice or is it, he's like, this is absolutely budgetary.
UnknownIf I could get, actually he, it was, he said, he said, if I could get Jake Gyllenhaal
Unknownor Ryan Reynolds to play these characters, you know, why would I have me doing it?
UnknownYou know, he, but I think, you know, I think, which has a lot of modesty if nothing else,
UnknownI think, you know, but if he carries on the way he's done this, you know,
UnknownI'd have to watch anything.
UnknownA lot of, a lot of the, a lot of the reviews I saw for this were a lot of people were like,
Unknownoh, it wasn't, wasn't as good as Thunder Road, but I think also there's, it's the usual story
Unknownwhere it's like, right, so we've gone genre now.
UnknownSo immediately, immediately, that's not as good.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's not as good as it really, no, because it's got, it's actually got an interesting plot.
UnknownWhat we actually want to see is a couple walk around Paris,
Unknownhow much they ignore each other.
UnknownBut you know, they're going to do it.
UnknownAnd, and, and then the credits roll with Flaming Lips playing.
UnknownFuck off.
UnknownI think it's so people can say, oh, no, I liked his earlier stuff.
UnknownBut, you know, everyone's into him.
UnknownI think we're already at that stage where it's like, well, you know, it's not as good as early work.
UnknownWhat, the film he did a year before?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat's not his fucking early work.
UnknownAnd the thing is, so I watched the trailer for Thunder Road and I have ordered it and I'm definitely going to watch it.
UnknownBut basically, it looks like this film without a werewolf.
UnknownYes, that's what I gather.
UnknownYeah, it's a man who's a cop and his wife is divorcing him and then his mother dies.
UnknownAnd he basically just has a massive mental breakdown.
UnknownBut it's still a comedy drama.
UnknownSo it feels, I think it's going to feel like if this happened to exactly the same thing happened to a different person in a different town.
UnknownBut it's ultimately going to be his reaction to everything.
UnknownBecause it's a curious thing as well, because I think that it's refreshing in a way where you've got something where it's like, yeah, this is a guy having a breakdown and it's horrible.
UnknownBut whatever happens, there is funny shit.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know, it's like when you hear stories of people's, you know, people's struggles with like mental illness, with addiction and things like that.
UnknownThere is still levity.
UnknownThere is still humour because that's how life works.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo you still do have things where it's like, well, looking back on that, that was a fucked up situation.
UnknownBut it's a funny fucked up situation rather than, you know, it doesn't have to be abject misery wall to wall sort of thing.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd, but I mean, actually, the bit that got me more than anything is just because, well, I mean, as you can see the state of me in terms of tiredness.
UnknownBut just the bit where it was like, they, they do what turns out to be a dream sequence.
UnknownBut they do that like really good thing where he goes and researches about werewolves.
UnknownAnd then there's the sort of, as it turns out, a dream sequence where like everything's coming together and there's people shouting and it's like, you should have sold this.
UnknownAnd then the bloke just wakes him up.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownFuck off.
UnknownAnd it was like, just like, yeah, you, look, you want to be thankful it's me.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAny, any of, any of the other boys down the precinct, you could have had a hole in your head.
UnknownSo.
UnknownJust this justification of it.
UnknownJust next time, ask yourself, has a policeman come in and taken all your books out on scary shit and then fallen asleep?
UnknownMaybe.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownDon't surprise him.
UnknownHow's that for an idea?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut it's, yeah.
UnknownAnd it's, it's also one of those ones where you sort of think, again, he manages to make it because he's, it's, it's not a nice character.
UnknownIt's a funny character, but he's not, you know, there is no way you wouldn't want to go for a fuck.
UnknownYou wouldn't want to live with him or go for a drink.
UnknownNo, you wouldn't want someone who worked like that, work with you.
UnknownHe's just so.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause they're so fucking intense.
UnknownBut actually in terms of, you know, he, he just manages to make that.
UnknownHe really makes that workable.
UnknownSo that you are on the guy's side, even though he is essentially appellant to everyone and everything.
UnknownIt's just, to me, the thing is, there is nothing, like, if you get upset with someone at work and punch him, like, that can be pretty, but an open-handed slap is like, I'm not even trying to hurt you.
UnknownThis is just telling you what a bitch you are being.
UnknownAnd it's just, his answer to everything is just the slap around the face.
UnknownYou just want to be him, really, don't you, Lee?
UnknownI do just want to be him.
UnknownI don't like him much, but I really want to be him.
UnknownWhen he slaps that coroner, he's clapping his head.
UnknownYes.
UnknownI just screamed.
UnknownIt's so funny.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat, that, that totally fucking surprised me, that bit of story.
UnknownIt's like you say, like you say, you're used to watching things where it's like, oh, yeah, he decked him or whatever like that.
UnknownBut just the slap, it's like, it is, it is just like, it is a very sort of, it's just disciplinary.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownDo you know what I mean?
UnknownIt's not, it's not like full-blown aggression or anything else like that.
UnknownIt's almost like, behave your fucking self.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOh, it's just hilarious.
UnknownBut, and that's the thing, like, there's bits of it as well where, as you say, even like the, the quite dark scenes, like the scenes where you can see him drinking and stuff again.
UnknownUm, and you see him, he takes those two cans out and drinks them and then immediately goes and drinks a whole bottle of mouthwash and stuff.
UnknownAnd like, it's, it's getting quite dark.
UnknownAnd then for him to just smash through the oven door, like, like.
UnknownYes.
UnknownIt takes attention to it, doesn't it?
UnknownBecause you kind of laugh and then you go, oh, I shouldn't have laughed at that.
UnknownAnd then you're like, well, I've done it now and it's over and we've moved into the next scene and suddenly it's a completely different atmosphere.
UnknownLike, and it just, everything just caught me off guard.
UnknownLike, and it was the same with the humour.
UnknownYou'd get into, um, like the other way.
UnknownYou'd have a really funny scene and all of a sudden something really dark had happened unexpectedly.
UnknownAnd mid-laugh and sort of take you off of it.
UnknownAnd I really liked that.
UnknownIt shouldn't work.
UnknownThis film should have been an absolute mess and I should have hated everything about it.
UnknownBut I could not have loved it more.
UnknownIt's, yeah, I just don't know how he managed it.
UnknownIt's genius.
UnknownAnd the, I mean, and obviously like the relationship with his daughter, but it's an interesting thing where it's because obviously both parents are fucking it up.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause like the mum's just absent and obviously he is a fucking wreck.
UnknownBut, and, um, but again, that, that even, even that comes down to it where it's like, it ends up with bits where the daughter's having to say to him, right.
UnknownLike that, that is grueling.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWhere she's just pleading with him to go to bed.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat was really hard.
UnknownThat is, that is really, really harsh.
UnknownBut, but again, he's only do, it's exactly what he's doing with his father.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWhere it's like, again, she's, or she's already having to step up and parent him because it's like, dad, you're a fucking mess.
UnknownYou know, please, can we not do this now?
UnknownCan we just, yeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it's, you know, they do have some, that's, again, I like that it doesn't pull a punch to try and make, they don't at any point try and make him a likable character, but it just works.
UnknownAnd you are still on his side because you can, it's that thing of, you can see that essentially at heart there's a decent person.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHis intentions are good.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHe just does everything the wrong way.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it's, but also it's that same thing.
UnknownAnd I, being a regular, like, well, being a true crime, you know, I have, I love true crime and things like that.
UnknownAnd the amount of stuff where it's small town sheriff's departments in America where they just fuck shit up.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThrough laziness.
UnknownAnd through incompetence.
UnknownAnd I'm glad that that's in there as well, where it's like, they do say a lot of the time, look, people, this is why people hate the police.
UnknownThis is why people say what they do about the police.
UnknownThis is what you guys are doing here is because none of you can be fucked to actually step up and do the thing properly or whatever.
UnknownAnd it's like when he's arguing with the guy about, because again, it is over the fucking top.
UnknownBut where he's saying, right, take that fence, like the mailbox out of the ground.
UnknownOr the telephone, isn't it?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThe telephone.
UnknownThat's the story, yeah.
UnknownJust bring it to the station.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownJust bring that.
UnknownTake it.
UnknownAnd it's like, really?
UnknownYes, really.
UnknownBecause this is a fucking murder investigation.
UnknownYou've got to do your job.
UnknownWhich again, I think this is another part of that thing like you were saying about where, like you were saying, Chris, where it's like, there's the small town thing of, well, we probably know this person who's doing this.
UnknownBut equally, it's the small town thing of, we're not fucking prepared for this.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWe're here to stop drunk drivers and, you know, teenage drinking or whatever like that.
UnknownWhereas actually, this is something where, yeah, none of us are on the, none of us are on this level to be dealing with this.
UnknownAnd it's like when they have to say, well, the FBI won't come in because there's only two.
UnknownIt's not.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it's not, it's not being committed on a federal highway and that sort of thing.
UnknownAnd it's lovely to see those little bits and pieces where it's like, oh, no, this is, this is the reality of it, you know.
UnknownAnd I loved it.
UnknownI loved the fact that they did have that conversation at the beginning where, yeah, they are just sitting in that diner and they're like, we're just small town cops.
UnknownYou know, the feds will come in and wipe this up.
UnknownAnd he's like, no, we're the cops.
UnknownStop relying on somebody else because we've got to do this.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it's that sort of thing of stepping up, even though he can't do that because of his own problems.
UnknownBut he still tries.
UnknownAnd I guess that's what he's done.
UnknownBut he's still, yeah.
UnknownAnd you do, I mean, that's the thing is you do, well, they solve it in the end because of, essentially because of the doggedness of the two cops who actually care.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd admittedly, one of them is incapable.
UnknownAnd it's an interesting thing because I was, again, like reading up on it and stuff like that.
UnknownAnd they said, obviously, there's the bit at the end where he says to his daughter, oh, there's something for your protection in the drawer.
UnknownAnd she gets out the condoms and she's like, oh, well done, dad.
UnknownYou know, you're being mature about this.
UnknownAnd then she looks in the drawer and they don't show you what's in there.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd, but most people have said it's his gun.
UnknownBecause obviously he's no longer a police officer.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo he's obviously had to just address the fact that, yeah, no matter how much I want to do this, I'm clearly not the right person to be doing this.
UnknownAnd, yeah, so a lot of people have said, is it that he's left her his gun?
UnknownBecause it's, yeah, he's like.
UnknownBut does he, he sort of goes to come back, doesn't he?
UnknownHe looks like he's thinking about going back in.
UnknownYeah, it's when the two boys go past and they're like going on about.
UnknownOh, there's a girl in room six days.
UnknownFresh mate.
UnknownFresh mate, yeah.
UnknownYou assume he's going to turn around and punch the boys.
UnknownAnd then he doesn't.
UnknownSo you're sort of like, oh, no, he's learning to control his anger.
UnknownSo you sort of feel like, yeah, he's moving forward.
UnknownPerhaps that's it.
UnknownI mean, he's got a lot less pressure if he's no longer having to step up.
UnknownAnd I guess in that situation, it made sense for him to become the chief of police.
UnknownI'm assuming he's worked in there for many years and obviously his dad is.
UnknownSo, yeah, he just couldn't handle that pressure.
UnknownI think a lot of, from what I gather, again, like on true crime stuff, the cases and stuff
Unknownlike that, from what I gather, there is an element of, like, it's almost like a royal succession.
UnknownLike a line where it's like, oh, yeah, my dad was the sheriff.
UnknownSo now I'm the sheriff and then my son will be the sheriff.
UnknownIt's like a separatism.
UnknownYeah, I'm getting my, you know, my kids to come back.
UnknownYeah, yeah.
UnknownAnd it is regardless of merit.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI mean, some might get through that, okay.
UnknownAnd, you know, whether they do a good job or not, it might not affect them too much.
UnknownBut you can imagine if you've already got quite a lot of other stresses that you're not handling,
Unknownyou probably don't need that.
UnknownNo.
UnknownAnd I think, you know, it's, yeah.
UnknownI mean, the fact that this is essentially a wacky episode of Scooby-Doo, you know, it's
Unknownquite interesting that we've drawn all of this out of it, but it doesn't take away the,
Unknowndoesn't take away the, any of the sort of, the actual dramatic meat of it is still there.
UnknownBut, and, yeah, I want to say it's more recommendedly.
UnknownAbsolutely, yeah.
UnknownYeah, I mean, it's, and it is, it's one, as I say, I've watched this pretty much every
Unknownmonth since January when I first saw it.
UnknownAnd still there's stuff that I forgot.
UnknownI forgot about him when she's unconscious using her thumb to open the phone.
UnknownAnd then he turns up at the boyfriend's house with a T-shirt wrapped around his face, kicks
Unknownhis door in.
UnknownAnd then when the mum pulls the T-shirt off and realises it's the sheriff, the first thing
Unknownshe does is start punching her.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownJust, oh, yeah.
UnknownThis film is, it's just got so many little bits that it is one of those films I can just
Unknowngo back to again and again, you know, in a short time.
UnknownAnd you just forget how, how fantastic it is.
UnknownLike, it's so ridiculous and yet it doesn't feel unbelievable, you know, like that scene.
UnknownIt's like, somehow, it's, yeah.
UnknownYou can believe that possibly could happen.
UnknownYeah, and a small town would definitely do that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWell, it's that, again, it is that Coen Brothers thing.
UnknownThe Coen Brothers real, real sort of knack is to make sort of stuff that feels, that shouldn't
Unknownfeel realistic, realistic.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know, you, you never, you never lose, in all the great Coen Brothers films, you don't
Unknownlose any of the reality of it.
UnknownNo matter how fucked up the plot or fucked up the participants in that plot are.
UnknownIt's always, it's always like a wacky story in a mundane setting, which is why I love them.
UnknownLike, they take an idea that should be lunacy and over the top and so unbelievable and then
Unknownmake such normal, average, everyday people have those experiences that kind of grounds
Unknownit enough for it to, yeah, just kind of work.
UnknownI'm also, I'm also going to say the music was fucking great in this.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd I can't, I can't remember his name, but the composer is the same composer as, um, uh,
Unknownthe ritual.
UnknownIs it, it's not Jim Cummings?
UnknownOh.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHe didn't write the theme tune, sing the theme tune, you know, acts, everything.
UnknownHe hasn't taken it that Darth Maurenguy, it's not lying.
UnknownMusic by Stig Basvik has whistled, has whistled by Darth Maurenguy.
UnknownSo is it?
UnknownBen Lovett.
UnknownBen Lovett, that's it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd he did the ritual, which is another soundtrack that I really fucking, I mean, I like the
Unknownritual film, but yeah, the soundtrack to that was great.
UnknownAnd again, this is quite sort of, you know, it's not, it's not a comedy score.
UnknownNo.
UnknownIt scores the actual, the content of the, the actual, the dramatic weight of the film,
Unknownnot the, you know, you don't have that thing of, well, it's a comedy, so obviously we've
Unknowndone Calypso music.
UnknownThe end bit though, with, is it Auld Lang Syne, isn't it, at the end?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd you've got the whole crazy scene, but then with that playing quite sort of calmly,
Unknownand it just works though, doesn't it, really well.
UnknownAnd the cinematography as well, we should mention, Sir Natalie Kingston did the cinematography
Unknownon it.
UnknownThat opening scene of the mountains, where they keep, project like you see it, and then
Unknownit fades out, the next lot is like upside down, and you keep getting massive, the massive
Unknownscapes to show you just how small that town is, in such a massive range of mountains.
UnknownAs you say, do you get that real sense that the people who live there, live there and they're
Unknowncut off.
UnknownNobody's coming in from outside to mess with anything.
UnknownYeah, you're not going to go down to the next town, because the next town is like over a
Unknownfucking mountain.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownExactly, yeah.
UnknownIt's just, oh yeah, and that really was a really good way of sort of emphasising that
Unknownand creating that, I don't know, it's not claustrophobic, but yeah, that very cut off,
Unknownisolated, yeah.
UnknownSo yes, fantastic.
UnknownGood one.
UnknownI'm glad you both liked it, and that Jennifer liked it, and that's why she said, I will come
Unknownon and talk about that film, because it's amazing.
UnknownSo technically, this means this is the first film that Jennifer's enjoyed for about a year.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWell, yeah, or the one that I've actually had, yeah, it was something different to talk about,
UnknownI suppose.
UnknownBecause a lot of them are good, you know, the films you do are entertaining, but I suppose
Unknownthis stood out a little bit as a bit different.
UnknownSo, yeah.
UnknownExcellent.
UnknownSo, Chris, as we've been discussing it behind your back, as it were.
UnknownOh, no.
UnknownAdam pointed out in the week that, excuse me, we're now 120-odd episodes in, and we have
Unknownnot covered as much hammer as we should have done for what an important part of the genre
Unknownit is, which I could not.
UnknownIt's certainly an important touchstone for us.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWe've always connected on Hammer.
UnknownYou know, that's, yeah.
UnknownSo, we have decided, Chris, that we are going to take you right back to where it all began,
Unknownalmost.
UnknownOoh.
UnknownAlmost.
UnknownAnd so, Adam came back with some suggestions, and we had a little chat, and we've decided
Unknownwe are going to cover Dracula.
UnknownOoh.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownFor our American listeners, that is horrors of Dracula.
UnknownMm.
UnknownFor those of us in the UK, it is just Dracula.
UnknownMm.
UnknownYeah, as soon as Adam said about it, I was like, I cannot believe we've not watched it.
UnknownI really feel.
UnknownAgain, I think it's one of those kind of unwritten things.
UnknownFor Adam and I, because we've talked about it so much, and because we've seen it so much,
Unknownwe've...
UnknownIt...
UnknownIn a sense, we almost must have done it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's always there, to such a degree that you never think about it, because it's always there.
UnknownMm.
UnknownAlso, it's just nice to actually cover, again, it's, you know, obviously, Dracula is one
Unknownof the original horror stories or novels that sort of essentially spawns the genre.
UnknownSo is this a Christopher Lee?
UnknownYes.
UnknownYes.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownSo we've covered vampires, but we haven't covered the count.
UnknownMm.
UnknownNo.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo we thought, really, this is a definite, definite one.
UnknownWe've done lots of vampires, but we haven't done any takes on Dracula yet, have we?
UnknownApart from...
UnknownNo.
UnknownWe haven't done...
UnknownWe haven't done...
UnknownOr...
UnknownNo, we've not done Nosferatu.
UnknownWe've not done Bela Lugosi.
UnknownSo we saw Bela Lugosi, um...
UnknownI forgot.
UnknownOh, Abbott and Costello.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo got a little taste of Bela Lugosi.
UnknownAnd we did do a bonus episode on the Steve Mothat, Mark Gatiss.
UnknownYes.
UnknownBut that obviously did dive, you know, that, um, went off topic fairly quickly.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownLike, in terms of, like, the, the sort of plot.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause you, you, you essentially get the first, you essentially get the first sort of few chapters
Unknownof Dracula.
UnknownThen you get the bit that they don't tell you about in Dracula.
UnknownMm.
UnknownThe voice.
UnknownParticularly.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd then just a load of made-up shit with, um, the cast of Oli Oaks.
UnknownMm-hmm.
UnknownI think that's fair, that's fair estimation of it.
UnknownMaybe then.
UnknownI still like it.
UnknownMaybe for that in two weeks' time, you should all try and watch various Dracula-related
Unknownor listen to or read.
UnknownSo everything you talk about could be Dracula-related.
UnknownHow am I doing that for 30 years?
UnknownNo, I'm, I'm just thinking that I'm Dracula, to be honest.
UnknownThat's the only thing.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI was trying to think through things that I could suggest.
UnknownThat's the only thing I can think of.
UnknownHow awful is that?
UnknownDo you want to hear the brilliant Dracula joke I heard online the other day?
UnknownYes.
UnknownWell, so I work at a factory making little plastic Draculas.
UnknownThere's only two of us on the production line, so I have to make every second count.
UnknownOh, yeah, okay.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownAnd on that, I'm going to go on that thing to myself until I fall through the door of the oven.
UnknownOur oven's up here, honey.
UnknownYou don't have to be about to sit at all.
UnknownHe'd get a stepladder.
UnknownYeah, he might.
UnknownIf he does that, please record it.
UnknownExcellent.
UnknownSo I'm glad you all enjoyed it.
UnknownThanks ever so much for listening, everybody.
UnknownThanks very much for listening to the Mos Eisley Happy Hour that everyone seems to be enjoying.
UnknownGo and check out the Not For Everyone podcast.
UnknownIf it isn't up now, they are doing their 100th episode.
UnknownI won't spoil what it's about, but we have seen behind the curtain,
Unknownand you and I are going to be watching it probably tomorrow night.
UnknownIn preparation.
UnknownI'm going to watch it because I've never seen it before.
UnknownWhat?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHave I seen it before?
UnknownGod, are you in for an exciting film?
UnknownYeah, you have.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownIt's wonderful.
UnknownExcellent.
UnknownSo go and check out Dracula or Horrors of Dracula,
Unknownand we will see you all in a fortnight's time.
UnknownGood night.
UnknownGood night.
UnknownOh, that was kind of a werewolf film.
UnknownWhat?
UnknownWhat does it mean?
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