Mos Eisley Happy Hour -The Force Awakens
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A long time ago on a Podcast in Essex... It’s 2015, half the entertainment industry gets put on the sex offenders register; fat bellend Jeremy Clarkson punches his producer (who unfortunately doesn’t punch him back); and there’s a murder conspiracy at Crufts. Our Star Wars watch-through reaches the latest trilogy with “The Force Awakens”. So settle down with a plate of your favourite inflatable bread; keep your eyes peeled for moonlighting MI6 agents; realise Kylo Ren’s main problem with his dad is that he wouldn’t let him paint his bedroom black; and reconsider your life choices when you find blood on your helmet. • Watch (or more likely re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. FEATURES STRONG LANGUAGE. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND QUALITY ISSUES -CURRENT QUARANTINE MEASURES MEANT WE HAD TO RECORD THIS EPISODE REMOTELY.
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UnknownGood evening everyone and welcome to the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.
UnknownI am Adam and I am joined by Wesley Sith.
UnknownHello.
UnknownAnd I am joined by C A 88 aka Chris.
ChrisHello.
AdamAnd we are here today to join together in holy matrimony. Sorry, wrong session.
AdamNo, we are here today to talk about Star Wars, Episode 7, The Force Awakens.
AdamAnd yes.
ChrisI still get a tingle of anticipation when it gets mentioned. that was a big thing I remembered.
AdamYou know.
AdamI'm assuming, did we all, did we all see this, were we all cinema for this one?
AdamYep.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamI thought so.
AdamIt was the yeah, that level of anticipation was.
ChrisBut it is funny though because I can't remember exactly now why we were so excited for this one.
ChrisI mean, I guess was it because we knew it was J J Abrams and he'd done some good stuff, Star Trek was definitely you know, the one that I knew of him but you know, because after the prequels you might think it would be like, oh, they might it might not be that good.
AdamIf I, if I remember rightly.
LeeGo on, man.
AdamFor me, it was a case of because they'd already announced that there was going to be so many of the original trilogy in it.
AdamYou knew it was going to be a direct carry on from an extension of what we knew and loved rather than a prequel.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisI I was remember as I was watching it, I was remembering the trailers that came out and they definitely had a big effect on me seeing like the Millennium Falcon.
ChrisI mean, obviously, this is for for talking in a few more minutes time.
ChrisBut but yeah, I just thought it was funny though how excited everyone seemed to be.
AdamWell, I know I know there's like, I think there was like someone's video of when they showed the trailer at Comic-Con.
AdamAnd the fucking noise level at the point of Chewie, where Han.
AdamLike of this just like crowd of geeks basically geeking to the stratosphere is is second only to Beatlemania, I would say.
AdamAs any newspaper will do.
AdamBut I mean, I I think at the time because I I think it was there was the Star Wars has been sold to Disney.
AdamAnd then it was oh J J Abrams is doing it.
AdamOkay, or J J Abrams to give him his proper name.
AdamAnd and then everyone and then like you say, it was like, well, we're going to get original cast back.
AdamAnd then the good thing, I think it was also when you watched the trailers and it was just it looked.
AdamIt looked Star Wars for want of a better expression.
AdamBecause I think for me, I wasn't too fussed about Disney buying it.
AdamBecause I'd not long seen John Carter.
AdamWhich I thought was a really good Disney film and it is a template for how Disney would do a Star Wars movie.
ChrisRight, Disney is a funny thing.
ChrisBecause I still have a sense of not exactly liking Disney and yet so much of what they do is really great.
AdamYeah.
AdamI I think it's I think you've now got to that point where there's people the people involved are basically.
AdamIf you've gone to work for Disney, you're probably at the top of your game.
AdamBut the people who are involved also clearly are people who loved it or grew up with it.
AdamSo you know, so not not just Star Wars but any other properties that they've sort of bought up and things like that.
ChrisLike Pixar.
AdamYes, I mean, definitely, I mean, Pixar.
AdamThat I think was just genuinely, I think that was a case of yeah, we better get in on this because they're basically out Disney-ing us.
AdamSo.
AdamWell.
Lee2D animation from Disney doesn't happen anymore, it's all about the CGI, so.
AdamHm.
AdamI think Princess and the Frog was the last one, I think.
ChrisHmm.
AdamReally? Is that the very last 2D animated? I liked Princess and the Frog.
AdamI thought.
LeeI know.
LeeIt is a really good one, I like.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut then I I haven't really seen a bad one if I'm honest.
AdamI like them all, all the Disney films, so.
AdamI I think it's just you there's certain things that you associate Disney with or certain things that get associated with Disney in terms of things like.
AdamBut I think it's going back to the very sort of golden age of Disney.
AdamSo you expect something a bit sort of like, I I think the template would be something like Bambi where it's like you expect it to be all nice.
AdamOr you expect it to be all cute.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut I mean, even though again because it's Disney and we and as they said on Robot Chicken Walt Disney fed off the tears of children.
AdamThat's how he made his power.
AdamSo, obviously, Bambi does start with, you know, your mother getting murdered.
AdamMuch much like every other, I mean.
AdamThe good thing, the weirdest thing is is that they've bought up.
AdamThey've, you know, they've bought up Star Wars.
AdamAnd you know, it's like, sort of you know, sort of bits in Star Wars like there's genocide, ethnocide and stuff like that.
AdamBut it still just feels it still feels a lot lighter than some fucking Disney movies.
AdamWhere it's just like, oh, what's that Dumbo? Yeah, your mom's going fucking mad, so we had to kill her.
AdamYou killed him.
ChrisI I still haven't seen Bambi, so I think you've just completely spoiled it for me.
AdamI've not spoiled it, all I've just told you is that you might you you need to, yeah, that's true.
AdamYou can't spoil something that's 60 years old.
AdamBut I think I think also yeah.
AdamThat literally that's the first five minutes.
AdamI think I can only think that Disney do that in a way so that it can only get better.
AdamIn terms of the emotional thing, but it's just.
AdamBecause.
LeeYou've heard about Disney, Disney's like when he was in charge and how a lot of the characters are motherless.
LeeBecause he because his mom died in real life because he bought her a house and the gas safety really wasn't done properly.
LeeAnd she died of carbon monoxide poisoning and he blamed himself for it.
LeeThat's why that features in a lot of those films.
ChrisI guess you'd feel guilty.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah, but this is this is getting this is getting a bit Magritte though, isn't it?
AdamWhere Magritte saw his mother being carried out of the pond with a blanket over her face.
AdamAnd it's like, right, every paint, I'll do sheet on the head, put sheet on his head.
AdamHow many figures in it, three sheets on all the head.
AdamAnd it's the same with this now.
AdamIt's like so um, so Walt, we've got this, we've got this film we're planning on doing.
AdamAnd it's a a little deer who goes out into the forest with friends.
AdamA wise wise ass bunny rabbit and he's like, does his mum die?
AdamUm.
AdamWell, we hadn't planned for that, kill the mum.
AdamThat's it.
AdamI mean, fuck knows how they got like stuff like Robin Hood past it.
AdamI think.
AdamDid he not die?
LeeHe passed away not long before that one.
ChrisDid he?
AdamOh, right, I thought he.
AdamYeah, and it's the first.
LeeHe never saw the completion of that.
AdamHe did.
ChrisSo so what happened with this then?
ChrisHow did he get the uh the father killing scene in here?
AdamGo on, that's that's true.
AdamI mean, I again, I think that that's um yes, let's just say spoilers are swearing.
AdamI know I forget to do it every fucking time.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisI'm pretty sure we listed it in big big letters on the.
AdamOh yeah.
AdamWe we we do, but you know, equally people can listen and may not read, I don't know.
ChrisThat's true.
AdamBut we and I we do put it at the bottom of the thing, so it's a lot less it seems a lot more fun and we're jolly people.
AdamBut.
AdamBut definitely, I mean, that's I think that unfortunately, I mean, there's um.
AdamFriend of friend of the podcast and former Welcome to Horror guest Drew said that when he went to see The Force Awakens.
AdamHim and his missus were walking out, like, walking out afterwards, past the crowd of people queuing to get into the next showing and she loudly proclaimed, I can't believe they killed off Han Solo.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd he was like, I think he was shushing her both from a point of view of not wanting to spoil it for people, but also not wanting to get like lynched by a group of Star Wars fans.
AdamSo.
AdamBut yeah, I think but it's it's a remarkable thing that you suddenly realize that now that you know.
AdamIt's a weird one where you think, oh, is Disney does seem to be putting it in safe hands.
AdamBut also, it's like, who else is there?
AdamDisney have basically bought everything up.
AdamI mean, they've they've acquired because this was the thing as well as lots of people were like, oh, so Leia is now a Disney Princess.
AdamUm, although obviously in this she is General Leia.
AdamBecause she's.
LeeWell, she never was a princess anyway, she was adopted, wasn't she? So therefore, she isn't by blood a princess.
AdamYeah, but I think if we're taking the lines of primogenitor, I mean, it's sort of, you know, I think.
AdamThey'll give they'll give it a loose one, I mean, they still called him Prince Harry.
AdamSo, you know.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut I think that um yeah, everyone was like also Leia is now a Disney Princess.
AdamBut then also they pull up the Alien franchise and they started saying, so the Alien Queen is now a Disney Princess.
AdamAnd it's.
ChrisSounds fair.
AdamStretching a point there.
AdamI technically, I would imagine she's much more of an evil queen, surely because she's much more like Maleficent or something like that, rather.
ChrisOr is it well, isn't she just doing her nature?
ChrisYou know.
AdamShe is.
ChrisIt doesn't mean be evil, it's just it's all it's all she can do.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah, she's yeah.
AdamA she is beyond good.
LeeAnd a woman with a big torch.
AdamYeah.
AdamStarts killing her eggs.
AdamThat was that was neat, she'll never forget.
AdamSo.
ChrisYeah, terrible.
AdamI I also love the fact that Chris has betrayed his Android origins there by sounding exactly like Ash in the first.
AdamOkay, am I Irish, surely.
AdamUh.
AdamAh, but enough of these other spaceships and other other sequences and things like that.
AdamWe are here to talk about The Force Awakens.
AdamSo.
AdamWe are heading to 2015, or and I'm doing this a bit like, you know, carry-on films.
AdamWhere it used to be like carry-on doctor, or don't mind me.
AdamI've got a scalpel stuck up my crack.
AdamYou know, so yeah, 2015, or Peeder Geddon.
AdamOr Year of the Nons.
AdamOr The Human Celebreped.
AdamUm, so um.
AdamThe UK Prime Minister is David Pickfucker Cameron, um, as part of the Conservative Lib Dem coalition.
AdamAnd the uh President is Barack Obama, uh, and news stories that year include.
AdamBuckingham Palace denying any impropriety with underage minors by Prince Andrew after his named in the lawsuit against Jeffrey Epstein.
AdamGlad that one's been cleared up and put to bed and everything else like that.
AdamDoesn't prove they've been chitter chattering that for fucking six years.
AdamUm, Al-Qaeda gunmen break into the Paris headquarters of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 and injuring 11.
AdamUh, Gary Glitter is found guilty of historic child molesting.
AdamFred Talbot, the the this morning weatherman, is found guilty of child molesting.
AdamAn independent report finds Jimmy Savile sexually abused 63 people at Stoke Mandeville Hospital from the 60s to the 90s, whilst complaints were ignored.
AdamUh, Rolf Harris is stripped of his honors following his conviction for sex offenses.
AdamUm.
AdamThis is remarkable.
AdamThe UK finishes paying off its World War One debt.
AdamSo yeah, I mean.
ChrisWho was it owed to?
AdamThis is the point though, isn't it?
AdamIt's at the end when when they tell you that the world is in debt and you're like, yeah.
AdamFucking Mars, Tatooine, the fucking Empire.
AdamUm, Jeremy Clarkson is sacked from uh Top Gear because he punched his uh producer because he couldn't get a hot dinner.
AdamAnd I've put here the fat overprivileged ponts.
AdamUh, Pandora's Faction, an Irish setter dies of poisoning at Crufts.
AdamAnd there are a few other dogs fall ill in a massive escandalon.
AdamThere's the Hatton Garden Diamond Heist, same sex marriage is legalized in Ireland.
AdamCaitlyn Jenner becomes the first transgender person to appear on the cover of Vanity Fair.
AdamGypsy Rose Blanchard and Nicholas Godejohn murdered Gypsy's mother Dee Dee following years of Dee Dee abusing Gypsy.
AdamUm, the USA reestablishes his diplomatic relations with Cuba.
AdamI think Trump then fucked that over within about six months.
AdamUh, NASA announces the discovery of liquid water on Mars.
AdamAnd then finally in December, an arrest warrant for Bill Cosby is issued on ongoing history of sexual assault charges.
AdamSo as you can see, it was a pretty non-see year of um, yeah.
LeeAnd no nonsense non-see year.
AdamYeah, I I am not and I'm not overstating this because literally I go through and it's like, right, big events that year.
AdamAnd that's all the ones that are coming up.
AdamAnd you're like.
ChrisI didn't remember they were all in that year. I would have thought they were spread out of it, but.
AdamNo, no.
AdamApparently, it was uh yeah, it was pretty much pretty much 2015 was really the time for it.
AdamSo I mean, a good thing we had 2016 where it just the entire of the entertainment industry died.
AdamSo, you know, we could forget about this.
AdamYou know.
AdamIronically none of the nonces did.
AdamHa.
AdamSo, there we go.
AdamThere there's one in the Eye of God.
AdamUm, on number ones in the charts included uh Bruno Mars, Mark Ronson, Ellie Goulding, uh, your your wife, Sam Smith.
AdamUh Jess Glynne, Jason Derulo, Tinie Tempah, One Direction, uh, Little Mix, Adele, Justin Bieber and the NHS choir.
AdamSo.
AdamYeah.
AdamProbably just could have statuary is out on that year and you wouldn't have missed much.
AdamOn TV, however.
AdamStuff that started was Murder in Successville, Taskmaster, Cockroaches, Peter Kay's Car Share, Joe Scott.
AdamIn and Out of the Kitchen, The Enfield Haunting, the uh Jekyll and Hyde that was done by Charlie Higson.
AdamI really, I really rather liked that.
AdamI mean, the guy played Jake and shit.
AdamBut overall it was great.
AdamUh Midwinter of the Spirit, This is England 90, Back in Time for Dinner, Money for Nothing.
AdamDoctor Foster, Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell.
AdamUh Harry Price Ghost Hunter, No Offence, Drunk History, The Frankenstein Chronicles, Wolf Hall.
AdamThunderbirds Are Go.
AdamThat's the CGI one, isn't it?
AdamUh Poldark, Humans, uh The Twirlywoos.
AdamMessy Goes to Okidou, Ninja Warrior UK, Victoria Derbyshire, The Keith Lemon Sketch Show and Michael McIntyre's Big Show.
AdamSo, mixed bag there.
ChrisDefinitely. It's excellent to turds.
AdamYeah, excellent to turds.
AdamUh, and finishing that year were House of Fools, Never Mind the Buzzcocks, Peep Show, Rastamouse, The Cube.
AdamUh Russell Howard's Good News, Downton Abbey, My Mad Fat Diary, Lewis, Nutrix and Miranda.
AdamBut.
AdamAnd obviously it's a big butt.
AdamWe always like to see what was going on, if you'll excuse me as a moment, because I need to wet my whistle.
AdamBecause I did that funny voice and then just nearly evaporate all the mucus in my gullet.
AdamBear with.
AdamUm.
AdamSo, 2015 in film.
AdamUh, you've got The Woman in Black Two, Angel Death.
AdamTaken Three.
AdamPaddington, Ex Machina, The Hallow.
AdamUh The SpongeBob Movie, Sponge Out of Water.
AdamMr. Holmes, Fifty Shades of Grey, Life.
AdamKingsman The Secret Service, Max to the Stars, Chappie.
AdamIt Follows, Nina Forever.
AdamUh Furious Seven, Lost River, Child 44.
AdamThe Falling, Avengers Age of Ultron, The Lobster, Mad Max Fury Road, Pitch Perfect Two.
AdamUh remake of Poltergeist, Insidious Chapter Three, Jurassic World, The Legend of Barney of Barryley Thompson.
AdamUh Inside Out, Yakuza Apocalypse, You on the Final Curse, Ted Two, Terminator Genisys.
AdamMinions, Ant-Man, Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, Attack on Titan, Live Action Version.
AdamUh Straight Outta Compton, The Man from U.N.C.L.E., The Visit.
AdamAbsolutely Anything, Ah, the film by um.
AdamNo, it's gone.
AdamUm, the brand new Testament, The Childhood of a Leader.
AdamLegend, High-Rise, Bill, Crimson Peak, Housed, Spectre, The Hunger Games, Mockingjay Part Two.
AdamUh Creed.
AdamThe Hateful Eight and The Revenant.
AdamIn which um Leonardo DiCaprio is done by a bear.
AdamSo.
AdamSo there we go, a rather a rather interesting sort of mixture of stuff there.
AdamBut also a lot of sequels which kind of suggests where things have been going.
AdamWhere there's obviously a lot of people treading water there where it's like, I want to do another one.
ChrisThe one that stood out to me a sci-fi one was Chappie because Lee has told me several times that I need to watch it.
ChrisAnd I haven't.
AdamChappie's.
AdamYeah.
ChrisChappie.
AdamOkay.
LeeYeah.
ChrisOkay.
AdamChappie's.
ChrisMore people have told me I need to watch it.
AdamYeah.
AdamChappie Chappie's kind of like um Short Circuit with without without the sort of shmootz or the.
LeeIt's Short Circuit with Di Antwood, that's it.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah, it's Short Circuit with the Antwood playing the Antwood.
AdamSo.
AdamAnd it is um.
AdamYeah.
AdamDefinitely definitely worth a watch.
AdamUm, and um yeah, actually that's the best description, it's Robocop meets Short Circuit, I suppose.
AdamWith with Di Antwood who uh clearly made a hell of an impression on the people there.
AdamBecause they have not given a film since.
AdamSo I suspect they may have been a problem.
AdamWho would have thought it.
AdamWho would have thought it?
AdamBut yes.
AdamSo.
AdamWe get to The Force Awakens.
AdamUh.
AdamYes.
AdamSo, I think it's kind of a new hope.
AdamIn a lot of ways.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut.
LeeBut isn't isn't New Hope like the absolutely perfect film for introducing a whole whole host of characters and environments anyway?
AdamExactly.
AdamAnd I think that that's probably the smart move.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamBecause that was the thing we were saying about that when we covered a new hope, we were very much like this is, you know, like you say.
AdamAbsolutely perfect introduction.
AdamIt's contained within itself and but inspires you to want to see much more of it and everything.
AdamBut the interesting thing, I think that's because there's there's two things that sort of happened with it is because in the because there's a obviously they wanted to keep as much under wraps as possible.
AdamBut you are making Star Wars, so the interest is there, so the leaks are going to happen and things like that.
AdamBut I don't think anyone in a weird way, I think that they kind of wanted to deflect attention from Rey.
AdamIn pre because essentially Rey becomes the Luke of this trilogy.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut I think they wanted to deflect attention away, so they concentrated much more on Finn in trailers and promotions.
ChrisWasn't wasn't he the very first thing you saw on the first trailer?
ChrisWas him sort of.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah, I think it was.
LeeOn Jakku after the crash.
AdamThat's it.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd also he was you also it was they showed you him with the lightsaber.
ChrisYes, yeah.
ChrisWhich that.
ChrisThat was quite a good little um misdirection, I would say.
ChrisBecause.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYeah, yeah, it actually that that is a point they they did.
ChrisDo a good job of not like you didn't know where it was going, really.
ChrisUm.
LeeIt's like even even the really impressive shot of BB-8 rolling across Jakku, you know, you had no contact to how that would fit in or how important it was.
AdamHm.
AdamIt was just really well thought out trailer.
AdamI thought and of course, you had the crowd pleasing.
AdamShots of the Star Destroyer and that.
ChrisYeah, yeah, I made note that that that really was something.
ChrisSeeing a Star Destroyer wreckage on a desert planet, yeah, like it was an interesting surreal feeling I seem to remember watching that trailer.
ChrisAnd.
ChrisAnd yeah, I guess a bit of worry like is this just going to be really awful.
ChrisBut you know, I think they took some chances.
ChrisAnd I did really like the the idea of seeing it from in a way a Stormtrooper's perspective to begin with.
AdamYeah.
ChrisLike that doesn't last that long, but it's yeah.
ChrisIt was interesting to try that.
AdamI I think it's also because like we were saying about with like Mandalorian, where it's sort of like much more the sort of the working end like the the working class end of it.
AdamTo take it from the perspective of just a like a grunt, just like a trooper who has clearly broken his conditioning.
ChrisIndividual thought patterns detected.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
LeeIn the original, in one of the original drafts for the script, it was supposed to happen slightly later in the film.
LeeAnd it was a load of rebels with to be taken aboard a Star Destroyer and he witnessed them being put in the airlock and blasted into space.
LeeThat was the original thing that was supposed to turn him.
AdamI think it works better this way.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamIn this one, he gets turned as soon as he gets blood on his helmet.
ChrisSo that that was the other thing, seeing the blood on the helmet, that was an interesting, it was subtle and yet powerful.
ChrisBecause you know, you don't see blood very often, do you, in Star Wars.
AdamNot in Star Wars, no.
ChrisAnd so doing that, oh, that's that's that's yeah, that's a bit it's interesting how how well that worked, I thought.
AdamWell, especially you've got that contrast because you only ever see Stormtroopers like pristine.
AdamYeah.
AdamHm.
AdamAnd that's that's another thing with it as well, is I think that there's.
AdamThey're certainly when they did, I think when.
AdamGeorge Lucas was doing the prequels.
AdamThere was there was a sense where people were like, hey, George, you can do the things you wanted to do.
AdamYou're not limited by having to have sets or you're not limited by having to have people, essentially.
AdamYou know, we can we can build robots that are impossible.
AdamBut you can have them in this.
AdamAnd I think he took that so much to heart that that is where they lose.
AdamThey kind of lose against the original Star Wars trilogy.
AdamWhereas.
LeeThere's an element of detachment because there is so much of it, you can't comprehend it as.
LeeWell, take the clone army, we've all seen on, you know, news footage of armies and stuff like that.
LeeBut never to that size and it does seem to, well, your brain goes into that, well, that's CGI, isn't it?
LeeBecause you could never get that many extras.
LeeWhereas the scene in a new hope where they're collecting their awards, there's a a vast amount of people there.
LeeBut it's a believable amount, so you think where did they get all those extras?
LeeYou know.
AdamYeah, because because some of them are cardboard cutouts, aren't they, in the original?
AdamIn the in the original 77 car, the the ones.
AdamI think it's the ones nearest the back are actually blown up blown up photographs of the cast.
AdamBut.
AdamBut still, it it does actually have an impressive feel to it.
AdamAnd then yet weirdly, like the bit where General Hux gives his Nazi rally.
AdamYeah.
AdamHm.
AdamYou know.
AdamWhich under no circumstances is that anything else.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYeah, because that's the thing, like Star Wars, you know, it it's it's definitely got that feel of um us versus them, evil Nazis.
ChrisType, but.
ChrisYeah, that was just so obvious.
ChrisI I'd quite liked it, but.
AdamI.
AdamI like.
AdamEspecially because it was him going a bit crazy with the power, it was just like, this is, you know.
AdamEverything I wanted.
LeeVery Hitler shouting.
AdamYes.
AdamBecause it's got that same thing where because you know, when you see when you see Hitler had a hysteria to it.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd it's that same thing that comes from and it's again sort of like evoking back sort of like with Mandalorian where you saw a lot you'd see a lot of.
AdamThere was a a lovely cross-section of Imperial officers, some of whom were like, no, fuck this, he's got a gun, take the ship, you know.
AdamAnd the ones who were like proper die hard.
AdamThe Empire.
AdamYou know, the ones who were willing to top themselves rather than let the ship be taken and all that.
AdamAnd it's that sort of almost like religious fervor that you can get from these political groups.
AdamBut it's like, but I do like the fact, I mean, obviously.
AdamThe Empire is now called the First Order and that's pretty explicitly Nazi.
AdamUm, you know, like New Order and things like that.
AdamAnd yeah.
AdamI think there's just like in a weird way, it's quite nice that they sort of made no bones about it.
AdamWhere it's just like sort of like.
AdamNo, this is what the Empire is, do not be mistaken under any other fucking circumstances.
AdamThese are the worst.
AdamYou know.
AdamThese are.
AdamAnd let's face it, it's you know, it follows the it follows the same trajectory of sort of like, you know, these are I don't know what you call extremists, but also extremists with um, you know, power, control, hatred and genocide.
AdamAnd it's all sort of like it's all you know, so it's kind of like the they're almost like the obvious go to, I suppose.
AdamBut.
LeeThere was one point with the new order.
LeeWith the the First Order, I think you brought it up a couple of episodes ago, Ed, about how they are essentially an order of young people.
AdamYes.
LeeAnd I was I was looking a bit more into that and how it's because because of technically all of a certain generation were brought up with the Empire.
LeeIt's these ill-educated children that have grown up echoes today who never lived through it, who are now following this path because they don't know the consequences of it.
LeeAnd it's the same with the um rebels.
LeeBut I think with this one.
LeeIt's the rebels are really not as experienced.
LeeAs the other rebels who fought for longer.
LeeBut no, I I like the idea that it is they're a bunch of kids, so it's almost like kind of Lord of the Flies kind of.
AdamYeah.
LeeElement they're playing at it.
ChrisYeah, I got that with Kylo Ren particularly and Hux.
AdamDefinitely.
ChrisYeah, that they did feel just that bit younger and so, you know, trying to get one over on each other but in in a relatively unsophisticated way.
AdamYeah, it's it's office banter.
AdamYeah.
LeeAnd all the older officers in it, not not just this film, but the other one still to come, there's a real sort of downbeat, all right, kind of thing with the older officers in the the First Order.
LeeAnd I I thought that played out really well.
LeeThat they really can't be asked the older ones, because they've already.
ChrisThey've seen, yeah, like from the greatness that they came from to this.
LeeAnd the the saying history repeat itself.
AdamYeah.
LeeAnd it you understand they're not fit, they've already been through it.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd you've obviously you've got like you say, with the with the rebels, they've they've obviously still got, well, they've got Leia still around.
AdamHm.
LeeYes.
LeeYes.
AdamFrom to to be that sort of linking thing.
AdamBut obviously everything everything from the Empire in terms of Vader, the Emperor.
AdamThe like the governors and everything else like that have basically been wiped out.
AdamSo like you say, it is a bunch essentially is a lot it's Smoke coming over like a gigantic CGI nonce.
AdamYeah, who's who's grooming all these young people to be.
LeeVery fitting for the times.
AdamYes.
AdamIt does seem very fitting for the time.
AdamIt.
AdamIs I I meant to look it up and I.
AdamIt's Andy Serkis, isn't it, who's Smoke.
AdamBecause obviously, well, we need someone.
AdamWell, Andy's got his own suit with thing on balls on it, we'll get Andy in.
AdamSo.
AdamUm, because I remember there was there were a lot of theories going around and I don't want to get too into it.
AdamBecause like I say, I've still not seen Rise of Skywalker.
AdamI know I know certain key things about it because again.
AdamYou know.
AdamIt's it's.
AdamThe internet.
AdamUm, but there are certain things.
AdamThat I don't necessarily want to delve too far into if they get explained later on.
AdamBut I mean Smoke as a figure is quite mysterious within the bounds of this.
AdamAnd but there are a lot of theories going around.
AdamNow I was extremely disappointed to when it didn't that it didn't turn out he was Peter Cushing.
AdamHm.
AdamBecause.
AdamI thought he looked like a really, really, you know, fucked up Peter Cushing who might have survived.
AdamYeah.
LeePotato Cushing.
AdamSorry.
AdamIt looks like potato Cushing.
AdamYes, yeah.
AdamMore.
AdamMore potato for the Cushing.
ChrisI wasn't I was a little bit.
ChrisIs is no emperor that.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisIt was like he's yeah, maybe.
ChrisBut that that was perhaps one of the things that felt a bit weak in this.
ChrisUm.
ChrisBut it might be because I've never heard of him and it's like what, you know, but then obviously I hadn't heard of First Order or Kylo Ren, but somehow I kind of liked Kylo Ren as a like.
ChrisI suppose the fact that he was Darth Vader's grandson, that I think that helped me to feel like, yeah, okay, there's a progression there.
ChrisYou know, and it's gone wrong, I kind of like that backstory.
ChrisUm.
AdamYeah.
ChrisAnd I'd probably I'd already read about Han Solo and Leia's children from the books.
ChrisEven though they didn't follow that properly.
ChrisIt um.
AdamNo.
AdamYeah.
ChrisSo I sort of felt connected in some way.
ChrisBut yeah, I just didn't have anything I was like, oh, Smoke.
ChrisI have no idea, really.
ChrisSo I was hoping he was going to turn into something great, didn't exactly play out like that.
ChrisBut.
AdamI.
AdamI think I think also the the.
AdamIt's slightly confusing inasmuch as they've gone with the obviously you only see him as on the hologram in this.
AdamAnd there was the question of, is he just fucking enormous, or is that because it's the projection?
AdamYou know.
AdamOf.
AdamHim.
LeeHe's a tall bastard, but it's a big projection, isn't it?
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd that.
AdamThat was the but again, I think it's because no one really seems to be.
AdamNo one seems that concerned about Smoke, you know.
AdamObviously Hux and Kylo Ren do and they they're very sort of you know.
AdamYou understand he is powerful because of the way they are with him.
AdamUm because one of them's got a planet that blows up other planets and the other one's Kylo Ren.
AdamSo you kind of think, well, if they're if they're sort of like bowing to this guy.
AdamHe must be something.
AdamBut like you say, I don't think it has that level of resonance.
ChrisHe hadn't been built up aside from.
ChrisThat obvious connection with them too.
ChrisIt was just he just like here's pretty much without much background being given.
LeeI thought after seeing the first film.
LeeThat it was only Kylo and Hux that knew of him.
LeeBut Leia actually refers to him.
AdamYeah, she does.
AdamYeah.
LeeSo.
LeeBut whether or not it's again.
LeeIt's like the shadowy name rather than the individual, it's not really explained enough.
LeeTo the what extent he is a threat.
LeeA known threat to everyone else.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo.
AdamI think yeah, I think there's there's sort of I mean it's it's.
AdamFor want of a better expression, it's bravado and also there is an element where if your choice is kill or be captured by the Empire.
AdamMaybe you would try and press it.
AdamYeah.
AdamBecause it because let's face it, he's a reactionary little dick.
AdamSo you're probably only about.
AdamYou might as well.
AdamYou're about three toms away from getting stabbed.
AdamSo.
AdamYou know, maybe there's almost that element to it.
AdamI don't know.
AdamBut I know what you mean.
AdamBecause I think because certainly I know.
AdamAgain, you know, we don't want to sort of get ahead of ourselves, but I know in the next film.
AdamThere was a lot of people were saying that it got too far where he was doing the collect call fucking thing, whatever.
AdamYou know.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd understandably.
AdamBut I don't think they they made too much of a too much of a sort of thing about it.
AdamUm, but certainly I think in this, it's done it's done to the right level and to the right amount of time.
AdamWithout it getting into without it getting into the unbeleevableness of Kylo Ren has impact his head off.
AdamYeah.
AdamYou know, where which, you know.
AdamLet's face it, your not far from.
AdamProbably.
AdamYeah, that's true.
AdamThat's very true.
AdamI think that's that's one thing, all the fights in this are fucking vicious.
AdamI mean, when Rey gets thrown into the tree, that looks like that fucking hurt.
AdamLike a lot.
AdamAnd um.
