Mos Eisley Happy Hour - The Empire Strikes Back

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LeeGood evening, everyone, and welcome to the Mos Eisley Happy Hour.

UnknownYay! Hey!

AdamOh, thank you, thank you, cheers.

AdamMy name is, my name is Adam, and I am joined by a fine team.

AdamWe have Lee. Hello.

AdamWe have Chris. Hello.

AdamAnd we have Wesley.

UnknownHowdy.

AdamAnd there we are. The people are here.

AdamWe know what we're here for. It's very exciting, isn't it?

AdamBecause we have, we've, I think, yeah, it is the very middle of the saga. I know we've done other films, but yeah, it's the very middle of the saga.

AdamWe're doing Empire Strikes Back, even though you'll know that because you'll have seen the show notes and gone, "Oh, Empire Strikes Back. I'll have a listen to that," because that's a good one.

AdamSo you know we're doing that. So yeah, there's not too too many ways of means about that.

AdamUh,

ChrisI thought I might have blown my my excited fuse circuits last time, but it's Empire Strikes Back.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd considering, considering considering that last time, A New Hope, actually got 41 out of 40.

AdamYou know,

Adamcrispy bodies as it was. Um,

Adamyeah, I I suspect that we might be spinal tapping this one a bit as well, but we'll see.

AdamAnd uh, yes.

AdamSo, um, and Chris, have you been born at this point?

ChrisYes, yeah. I I I was born, yeah, 1980.

ChrisIn fact, um, I think this was actually released, was it my birthday?

ChrisI think it was like May the 17th or something.

ChrisIt was released.

AdamYes, 17th of May in the US, and then the 20th in the UK.

ChrisMm.

ChrisSo that's that was when I was born.

AdamNo.

AdamYeah, well, there we go. So we now are in Star Wars that we are all alive for.

AdamSo, you know.

AdamAnd I have to say, so I did my, I did my little, um, I did my little bit of twatty research.

AdamCan I just say that 1980 is so fucking 1980, it's unbelievable.

LeeNo!

AdamSeriously,

Adamit's like, right, so, cut to the chase, right?

AdamThe Rubik's Cube is launched at the British Toy and Hobby Fair.

LeeOh.

AdamThe arcade game Pac-Man is released in Japan.

AdamThe Prime Minister is Thatcher.

AdamThe US president is Jimmy Carter, but he loses the election to Ronald Reagan, who takes over the next year.

AdamUm, the Iranian embassy in London is stormed, um, is stormed by terrorists, and then a six-day siege ensues that is broken broken finally by the SAS going in and killing all the terrorists.

AdamCNN starts.

AdamAnd John Lennon is shot dead.

LeeWow.

AdamAnd you can't help but feel that that is the most 80s thing about it, because it's like Mark Chapman turns up as the 80s to finally kill the 60s.

AdamAnd it's like, no, we're about guns, money, and murder now.

AdamFuck off.

AdamFuck off, it.

AdamP.

AdamAnd yeah, so.

AdamUm,

Adamyeah, and I mean UK number ones were there's Pink Floyd, The Pretenders.

AdamBlondie had three.

ChrisI love it.

AdamAtomic, Call Me, and The Tide Is High, The Jam, Dexys Midnight Runners.

LeeYes!

AdamUm, Suicide Is Painless, the theme from Mash.

AdamThe Winner Takes It All and Super Trouper by Abba.

AdamAshes to Ashes by David Bowie.

AdamAnd there's No One Quite Like Grandma by the St. Winifred's School Choir.

LeeOh!

AdamSo, yeah, some lovely stuff there.

AdamUm,

Adamuh, we and um,

AdamI'll go to TV first because again,

Adamstuff that started on TV this year.

AdamThe Hammer House of Horror, admittedly, it's one series.

AdamBut we're mentioning it because it's a fucking Hammer House of Horror.

AdamThey're brilliant.

AdamSo,

Adamalso,

AdamThe Adventure Game.

AdamHi-de-Hi.

LeeNo.

AdamArthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World, Metal Mickey, Family Fortunes, Play Your Cards Right.

AdamIs this not your Saturday night as a child?

AdamRuss Abbot's Madhouse.

AdamJuliet Bravo, The Gentle Touch, Button Moon, King Rollo, Cockleshell Bay, The Munch Punch, The Munch Bunch.

AdamUm, Training Dogs the Woodhouse Way with Barbara Woodhouse.

AdamYes, Minister, Watchdog, Take the High Road, Knots Landing, and Children in Need, all started in 1980.

LeeWow.

AdamUm, and Citizen Smith finished, even though that started when Star Wars, a New Hope came out.

LeeWow.

AdamYes.

AdamAnd again, it's her usual mixed bag, and it's very interesting because last time, obviously, when we were talking about with the films,

Adamthere was so it was all from the previous big season blockbuster, which had been Jaws because it was so fucking massive.

AdamAnd all the films there you had quite a few like Jaws rip-offs and other Peter Benchley stuff and things like that.

AdamUh, but yeah, so film-wise, now you get the influence of Star Wars, because there's quite a few in here.

AdamSo, you've got

Adamuh, American Gigolo, The Fog, Cruising, Saturn 3, The Ninth Configuration, Permanent Vacation, Forbidden Zone, The Changeling, The Monster Club.

LeeOh.

AdamUh, Bad Timing, Stalker, The Watcher in the Woods, Death Watch, Where the Buffalo Roam, uh, The Movie of Rising Damp, Friday the 13th, Out of the Blue.

AdamUm, the animated Return of the King, Fame, The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle, Humanoids From the Deep, The Shining, The Blues Brothers.

AdamHerbie Goes Bananas.

AdamAirplane, Alligator, Cheech & Chong's Next Movie, Prom Night, Caddy Shack, Dressed to Kill, Smokey and the Bandit Two, McVicar.

AdamGeorgia Mildred, Battle Beyond the Stars, The Exterminator, Sir Henry at Rawlinson End.

LeeYes.

AdamUh, Terror Train, The Elephant Man, Private Benjamin, Fade to Black, Motel Hell, The Awakening, The Long Good Friday.

AdamChristmas Evil, Shogun Assassin, Raging Bull, The Falls.

AdamFlash Gordon, Popeye, Stir Crazy, Any Which Way You Can, 9 to 5.

AdamHawk the Slayer!

LeeBravo.

AdamAnd Altered States.

LeeOh.

AdamSo, yeah, basically, it's like, there's everyone's like, oh, that's that's sci-fi's the thing.

AdamThat is now.

AdamSo,

Adamyou've got, I mean, like, you've got Battle Beyond the Stars, Corman's version of Star Wars in there.

ChrisNice.

ChrisI love that film.

AdamIt is a fucking great film, it has to be said.

LeeYeah.

LeeStill haven't seen it, I shall write it down now.

ChrisYeah, it's so good.

AdamOh.

AdamIf you've not seen it, it could be, like I say, I think, obviously, we'll come to the natural end of what Star Wars there is to review.

AdamAnd I still maintain that we should also cover Spaceballs.

ChrisMm.

AdamUm, just as an excuse to watch Spaceballs.

AdamUm, but maybe we need to do Battle Beyond the Stars because it is,

ChrisYeah.

Adamit's the quintessential sort of rip-off, it's the quintessential Star Wars rip-off that isn't Battlestar Galactica.

LeeOh.

AdamSo, yeah.

AdamI think that we may need to um, we we may need to watch it.

AdamJust again, just a just to fucking excuse to watch it.

ChrisMore.

ChrisWould you say it's a reasonable tribute rather than just a rip-off or is it?

AdamNo.

LeeDefinitely a rip-off, but just done well.

AdamIt's it's not it's not it's, yeah.

AdamIt's, right.

AdamUm,

Adamthey get it right in that, obviously, we never mentioned it previously, like on the last episode,

Adambut A New Hope is based on uh, the film, uh, or partially based on the film Rashomon.

Adamuh, Japanese samurai movie.

AdamAnd the two characters that are the the sort of main characters who tell the story in Rashomon are two slaves.

AdamAnd that's who 3PO and R2-D2 are kind of meant to be.

ChrisOh, okay.

AdamHe's because it starts off that you're the sort of slave class. And um, so Battle Beyond the Stars kind of does the same thing.

AdamBut just decided, well, why don't we do the Seven Samurai in space?

AdamAnd then someone goes, oh, yeah, but then there's um,

Adamoh, not what, not The Wild Bunch.

AdamWhat's it called?

AdamThe Magnificent Seven.

AdamEveryone's like, oh, but then there's The Magnificent Seven, which is the Western version of um, the Seven Samurai.

AdamAnd then they go, well, why don't we put both of those together and do it in space?

AdamSo, but you have got some, you've got some great people in it.

AdamThingy um, uh, Robert Vaughn.

LeeWas he in it?

LeeHe's like,

AdamYeah.

AdamSorry?

LeeYeah, Robert Vaughn.

AdamYeah, Robert Vaughn.

LeeWas he in it?

AdamYeah.

AdamRobert Vaughn, the guy who played what's his name, who played Hannibal Smith in The A-Team, George Peppard.

ChrisOh.

LeeOh, yeah.

AdamAnd and John Saxon is the main bad guy.

LeeOh, nice.

AdamAnd he is really fucking good.

AdamUh, with like a big, um, big disfiguring, they can't go for a full, like, Skeletor armor helmet, so they just give him a sort of blinding scar down one side, but, yeah.

AdamIt is it's it's entertaining, but but do not do not feel that you, you know,

Adamin any, no one's gonna watch it and accent go, "Oh, this must be one of the new Star Warses.

AdamThis must be The Mandalorian," or something, they're not gonna do that.

LeeIf you like, If you like the feel of The Last Starfighter, you would like this film.

ChrisOh, yeah, and I did like that.

LeeOkay.

AdamYeah.

AdamYeah, actually, yeah, it's very sort of similar sort of vibe.

AdamAnd actually it's it's a pretty entertaining film, it is just so fucking ludicrous.

AdamUm,

ChrisBefore I got access to Star Wars, Last Starfighter, I used to just think if I played computer games well enough, it could happen, it might.

AdamIt still could. It still could.

ChrisBut I was I wasn't good enough, I decided.

AdamIt was one bit in that film, used to give the put the shits right at me, which is when they're growing a clone under a duvet.

ChrisOh, yeah.

AdamI just found that bit, yeah.

AdamYeah, found that a bit much.

AdamBut,

Adamyeah.

AdamYeah.

AdamThere we go.

AdamSo,

Adamum,

Adamit's The Empire Strikes Back.

AdamWhere should, I mean, where do we start?

AdamUm,

AdamI suppose we start at the beginning with beautiful probe droids on Hoth.

AdamI have,

Adamit has to be.

LeeYeah.

LeeOh, my god. Such a great design.

AdamExactly, it's just so it's obvious what it is, and it's it's not obvious what it is, but it's obviously evil.

LeeYeah.

AdamThey've just got that so right.

AdamAnd um,

Adamyeah, and then obviously you get the um, uh,

Adamyou know, you get Tauntaun. [making noise]

AdamI do like Tauntauns, because I can do the noise.

AdamAnd that's yeah.

AdamBut yeah.

ChrisDo you like how warm inside they are?

AdamYes.

AdamAnd I thought they smelled well.

Adam[making noise] which is where you can take it eventually.

AdamIf you've said it along to the film often enough, apparently.

AdamHas to be said, Tauntauns.

AdamThat's one thing that I think with this is, oh, actually, yeah.

AdamI didn't know this until sort of, well, the other day, that Empire Strikes Back's kind of an independent film.

AdamBecause I didn't realize this is that George Lucas stumped up all the money to make it.

AdamHe didn't do it with a studio.

LeeOh, nice.

AdamI think he eventually had to get Fox were gonna release it anyway.

AdamHm.

AdamLike, they were gonna be the distributor.

AdamBut I think so he went to them in the end to get a bit of extra money that he needed.

AdamBut basically, yeah, he stumped up all the cash for this so that he would retain sort of all the rights and all the intellectual properties and everything else like that.

AdamAnd,

LeeSame with the prequels.

AdamMm.

AdamIt's but it's just an insanely good.

ChrisYeah.

ChrisSo.

ChrisYeah.

ChrisSo that seems it's surprising.

ChrisSo he made so much from the first one.

ChrisBecause, yeah.

ChrisThat's quite impressive.

AdamAnd it meant that he could sort of take it in the direction he wanted without having to sort of go to committee, you know.

ChrisAt this point, that people really liked this, so can you have more of that?

AdamPeople really liked trash compactors, can we do more trash compactors and stuff?

AdamThat's,

LeeWell, that's the Gary Kurtz, isn't it, one of the producers, isn't it? One of the reasons why he parted company at Empire because he said that he could see the way it was going.

LeeThat toy sales were actually making creative decisions when it came to the story.

LeeSo that's why he let Empire be the last one he did with him.

AdamOh, right.

ChrisHe could see George moving to the dark side.

AdamYeah.

AdamYeah, he he knew he knew where George was going.

ChrisIt was um, like I think this was such a great start, a bit um, because it doesn't follow on exactly from um, a New Hope. So you don't really know what's going on.

ChrisYou suddenly see Luke on the Tauntaun in um, snowy, you know, landscape, and then he gets whacked by the Wampa.

ChrisLike, that is such a good uh, unexpected beginning to this.

AdamWhen he, yeah, when you see Luke outside, whackin' his Wampa.

AdamAnd you said, I like, I didn't expect it to start there.

AdamNo.

ChrisYeah, and and they do such a good job of showing the icy planet.

ChrisUm, there's one thing I thought actually, watching it this time, I realized the three different locations that they do in this are all so iconic.

AdamOh, yeah.

AdamI think because weirdly enough, it's it's odd because in Star Wars and in Return of the Jedi, they obviously have the Death Star.

AdamBut in this, the Empire's kind of ruthless in a weird way.

ChrisYeah.

AdamYou know that it's a you know that it's a fleet of um, or like an Imperial Navy out there.

AdamBut there's no no one's got a home base almost, it's like Vader's just prowling around on the Super Star Destroyer.

AdamBut also, I think, um, I think this is one of the few Star Wars ones that doesn't have anything on Tatooine.

ChrisMm.

LeeYeah.

AdamWhich and I think I like, I think it's almost when when you look at it just as sort of Star Wars Empire Strikes Back without any of the prequel stuff coming into it.

AdamIt is it's almost like, right, we started at Desert, so what do we go for next?

AdamYou go the complete opposite, you just turn, right, we freeze that.

LeeYeah.

AdamAnd actually, one thing with the Tauntauns, with the and with the, um, uh,

AdamI think with the AT-ATs later and stuff like that, the,

Adaminteresting thing is how good the stop motion stuff is.

LeeIt looks incredible.

AdamYeah.

AdamYou know, and it it's like the Tauntauns are far, when you see people riding around on the Tauntauns,

Adamit's far more believable than the Stormtroopers on the um, CGI dewbacks.

LeeYeah.

AdamThat they added in and stuff.

AdamActually, I think that's the other great tribute to this is that how little it's interfered with.

ChrisMm.

AdamIn terms of like, added stuff.

AdamIt's only sort of little enhancements and,

ChrisBoba Fett's voice, I noticed this time.

AdamYes.

ChrisI don't know if I'd seen this version previous to this, I might have done, but um, I definitely noticed it now.

AdamYeah.

AdamYeah, because I don't think it was because this, I actually saw this at the pictures, the special edition.

LeeYeah.

LeeWe did.

AdamYeah, we went, and then, but weirdly enough, it was the only one I went to, and it's the one with the least changes, but I also think it was, yeah, but I do want to see Empire Strikes Back on the big screen.

AdamSo,

AdamI like, I like the addition of my favorite spaceship in the whole history of science fiction.

AdamMakes an appearance in this one, but it didn't in the original version, which is the Tydirium shuttle.

LeeYeah.

ChrisOh, interesting.

LeeMy favorite spaceship ever, that one.

AdamI mean, I mean, cutting to that bit at the end, that's one thing that, that's a change that does annoy me slightly is the when it, because Vader marching off with just get my shuttle.

LeeYeah.

AdamAnd again, it's what I was saying about with angry Vader at the very start of a New Hope.

AdamI like pissed off Vader.

LeeYeah.

AdamHe just, you know, especially now you've followed Anakin's story.

AdamYou are kind of like, yeah, that would be him.

AdamOh, get the shuttle.

ChrisYeah.

AdamHe's got a he's got a cob on.

AdamBut apparently, yeah, they changed that because George Lucas sort of wan was like, "Oh, I'm not sure if people know where Vader's meant to be when he contacts Luke," and it's like, no, everyone knows where he's meant to be.

AdamGeorge, you're overthinking it.

AdamDear.

LeeYeah.

AdamAnd it does annoy me that the landing of the shuttle is on, is actually a Death Star hangar.

LeeHm.

AdamAnd it's the one from Return of the Jedi, and you can actually just about see what is it, Moff Jerjerrod,

LeeYeah.

Adamthe guy who's in charge of the second Death Star, yeah.

AdamYou can just about see him marching along to greet Vader as the ramp's coming down and stuff.

AdamAnd you're like,

Adamyou just didn't need to, it's not not that sort of, not that bothersome, I don't think.

LeeI So, I I've got to say, the one thing that.

LeeI liked all the changes, as you say, they were much more minimal this time.

LeeThey avoided the stuff I hated, which was adding in all that unnecessary extra stuff that just took you out of the world.

LeeUm, but I'd forgotten just how bad the um, the projection of the Emperor was in, like, in the original.

AdamYeah.

LeeIt doesn't even look like a man, it looks like a massive frog.

LeeLike, it's it was.

AdamIt wasn't.

LeeIt was a woman with a chimpanzee's eyes projecting on top of him.

LeeThat's how they did the original effect.

LeeSo you were right, it didn't look like a man.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd and it's and it's the voice of the professor from Legend of Hell House.

LeeOh, nice.

AdamAnd um, yeah, uh, Clive Revill, that's it.

AdamAnd yeah, um,

Adamand again, that is a change that I have absolutely no problem with on the basis that it's like,

Adamyeah, but by now, it's a bit fucking odd if it's not Ian McDiarmid.

LeeYeah.

AdamYeah.

LeeBut he's a bit chubbier in Empire, though, isn't he?

AdamHe is a bit chubbier, yeah.

AdamHe's it's it's a lot more scrotal.

AdamAnd it makes me wonder, the mysterious prune face, is he the Emperor?

AdamIs he a clone of the Emperor?

AdamBut we'll come to that in Return of the Jedi.

AdamExcept we won't, because you don't fucking see him.

AdamI had the figure, though, I had the figure.

AdamBut, um,

LeeAnd a really dodgy blurred photo on the blister pack, but you hardly see him at all.

AdamYeah.

AdamIt's I I didn't know, I assumed he was in Jabba's Palace for years.

AdamTurns out, he's one of the rebels. Hey, there we go.

AdamSo,

Adamthat um, actually, and if we're when we're talking about things that the sort of, you know,

Adamchanges and things like that.

AdamWhy on Earth didn't they change the dick whale?

AdamYou know when they're in the asteroid and the dick whale comes out and tries to eat.

LeeOh, yeah, yeah.

AdamLike, land inside it.

AdamMovement.

LeeYeah.

AdamYeah, it's so shit, yeah.

AdamIt's just it's like it's a hippo.

LeeYeah.

AdamWhale hippo penis that comes out of an asteroid.

AdamAnd,

Adamyeah.

AdamYou know, you got rid of the Wolfman, who's quite iconic.

AdamIn the cantina.

AdamBut you leave that in.

AdamAnd it's like, you could have gone a town with that.

AdamYou could have had, yeah.

LeeThey.

AdamThat's a fate to be taken.

ChrisThat must have stuck in my mind in a really strange way, because I totally do not see it as bad.

ChrisLike, there's something I still remember when I first saw it, and it just blew my mind, I was like, what is that?

ChrisAnd I must have been pretty young when I saw it.

AdamI think my first experience of this was a pirate as well.

AdamLike, it was, so it was like a good few generations down by the time we'd got it.

AdamAnd so everything to me, weirdly enough, there's parts of this that almost feel like a video nasty, because it just gives it that aesthetic.

LeeYeah.

AdamBut it's that just wherever it's slightly wider and slightly fuzzier, and yeah.

LeeI kept waiting for the for the auto-tracking message to come up and [making noise].

AdamOr like that pirate I had of Pulp Fiction, which had a laugh track.

LeeOh.

AdamBecause someone literally just filmed it in the cinema.

AdamAnd yeah.

AdamIt was it it it kind of made it feel a bit like Georgia Mildred or something, it was.

LeeWhat?

LeeSorry.

LeeWhat?

AdamHe's seen pickled pickled onions in bed.

AdamI bet he does.

AdamHe's a pickled onions in bed kind of guy.

AdamMind you.

AdamMind you, at that point, I'm probably have to nail my own flat, my own flag to that as well.

AdamIt's not been unknown.

LeeTalking about the beginning at the um, uh, the stuff on Hoth.

LeeUm, I absolutely, I like the very first vision you get of the AT-ATs as they come out as when you see them through the through like the the goggles, so they see the feet on the ground, and then it kind of pans up, and you go, oh, shit, and then, they just like saying, the stop motion looks fantastic.

LeeUm, but the one thing I never thought about before,

Leethey're the huge, great big things, we only ever see inside the head where they're being driven.

LeeWhat's inside the rest of that body, is it just like a big empty hangar or,

AdamIs it's true, so I believe.

LeeYeah.

AdamYeah.

LeeTroops.

AdamThere's troops.

LeeYeah.

LeeSo that's how they get them in.

AdamOh, I did I did have a look, I did have a look after um, um, Rogue One.

AdamThe they are slightly different AT-ATs in Rogue One.

ChrisMm.

AdamThey're because they've got like basically those are cargo cranes.

AdamI mean, they've still got a gun head, but they're cargo cranes essentially, so yeah.

AdamBut, um,

Adambut I think all the again, it's like, there's not much that they add new.

AdamBut the stuff they do add is so fucking cool and again, everything's so fucking iconic.

AdamYou've got the AT-ATs.

AdamAnd you've got, um, and well, and like the Super Star Destroyer and everything.

AdamYeah.

ChrisUh.

AdamNo.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd actually, that's that's the,

Adamthat's that's the the the thing with um,

Adamwithin this you have a lot of a weird sort of sense where you do have a lot of humor, because it's one big chase from uh,

AdamHan, Leia, Chewie, and 3PO, it's basically the whole film is their pursuit leaving Hoth.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd obviously, Luke Luke has a Luke's story is a different thing.

AdamBut there is a really weird vibe in this as well, where a Vader just working his way through the crew.

AdamAs the,

Adamit's it's weird because it's it's funny, but it also just gives you a sense of why everyone is so committed.

AdamAs it's like, yeah, he's just like, apology accepted, Captain Needa.

ChrisYeah.

AdamAnd he's,

LeeI have got a note here that just says, fuck joining the Admiralty.

AdamUm.

LeeYeah, as soon as anybody makes the slightest mistake, he's like, right, they're dead. Why would you spend your life trying to work your way up to work at this place?

LeeHe's just gonna kill.

ChrisAt the end.

AdamYou know.

ChrisWhen the Millennium Falcon flies off and he looks away and then he looks back again, and then he's walking down the ship, and everyone's like, uh, who's gonna get it?

AdamI actually quite like the idea, but I do like it.

AdamBecause Admiral Piett does turn up in Return of the Jedi.

AdamSo he does make it, it's obvious that Vader doesn't has decided, no, you've you've did your best.

AdamWe need,

Adamthat was a squeak.

AdamYou know, that's there.

AdamBut for the grace, whereas obviously Mr. Bronson just gets it immediately.

AdamBecause he's like, well,

Adamhe's he's there sort of like, right, no, you've you've you've fucked up this, you've fucked up this mission.

AdamAnd what's the point, you killed Danny Kendal?

AdamSo,

Adamyou know,

Adamthat's it.

AdamAnd also.

AdamYou got the magnificent Julian Glover as the um,

Adamuh, AT-AT commander, like the general, General Veers.

AdamUm, again,

Adamand the only trouble is is that every time I see him in anything, I just think, oh, so that's who Mark Gatiss plays when they remake this.

AdamSo,

Adambecause that just seems to be his his role in life, I can just see him doing it.

AdamSo, but,

Adamyeah.

AdamYou've got and you've got Snowtroopers, you've got um,

Adamthe AT-AT drivers, which are essentially, I mean, if the toys are anything to go by, they're just a differently painted TIE fighter pilot.

AdamBut,

AdamYeah, there's there's a lot more sort of there's just more Empire.

AdamI mean, it's in the title.

AdamBut you do get, I think, you get more you get more Empire bang for your buck.

AdamAnd you see much more of them as a force, like as an as just a basic military force.

AdamRather than, well, you can blow up planets, you of course you win.

AdamYou know, so.

ChrisYeah, they do such a good job of expanding the universe, adding a lot more to the story and the empire, but not making it tacky and not overloading it somehow. Like, you know, you follow it perfectly.

ChrisUm, it flows really nicely. Um,

Chrisbut yeah, but it still is a well-expanded and darkened universe.

AdamYeah, because you've got because the director.

AdamBecause obviously, it's not including um, offshoot or Star Wars stories, sort of stuff.

AdamThis is the first one we've watched not directed by George Lucas, isn't it?

AdamBecause George Lucas did all the prequels, and he did um, a New Hope.

AdamAnd then you've got Irving Kershner does this.

AdamAnd.

LeeAnd Richard Marquand, I think, it I think he did Return, I think it was.

AdamSorry?

LeeI think Marquand, I think he Marquand did Return, I think it was as well, wasn't it?

AdamYeah, I think it was.

AdamYeah, so it's only of of the three.

AdamBut apparently, he was very sort of again, I mean, his only you know, as I say, the way it was produced, um,

AdamGeorge Lucas was his only boss.

AdamYou know, and but he um,

Adambasically said, well, I'll do it, but I want to rework the script, and apparently the one thing he did was put a lot more of the characterization in.

AdamAnd that that, I think, really shows because this is the one this does give you everyone as you know them.

AdamOr presents all the things that you associate with the those characters.

AdamAnd um,

AdamAnd actually, the the other thing as well, watching it, and again, I've been,

Adamit's the thing of enjoying watching it with the prequels in mind, is weirdly enough, this is the only one that doesn't.

AdamIt's it's slightly annoying that this isn't the first time we've seen Boba Fett because it used to be the first time you'd see Boba Fett.

AdamAnd he's the bollocks, even though he literally doesn't do anything.

AdamBut he's just cool enough that it's like it plays, and everyone reacts to him.

AdamThe right way.

LeeHe's just my favorite.

LeeHe's The Marvin the Martian, he's the one that is very, there's very little screen time.

LeeBut he's the one that sticks in your mind as the coolest thing you've ever seen.

ChrisBut he's so he is so pivotal, even though he doesn't have a huge amount of action, what he does is so important.

AdamExactly.

AdamAnd but I think, but it's really annoying now that it's like, oh, yeah, I saw him as a 12-year-old with a stupid haircut.

AdamAnd that's that's diminishing in that sense.

AdamAnd similarly, the one thing I think that it really,

Adamit doesn't necessarily alter it, but it changes the conception of it.

AdamSo now you watch it, I mean, you always did after the first time you fucking saw it.

AdamBut you you watch it knowing who Yoda is, but now it's much more about, it kind of turns it into it's much more about,

Adamwatching Luke not know that than it is about discovering it with Luke.

ChrisIt's good that that still works, though. You still.

AdamIt still works.

AdamYeah, like you say.

ChrisBoth is fine, but it's you can definitely rewatch that again and again and not, you know, not be bored by the fact that you do know who Yoda is.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd I tell you what, it's he is,

Adamfor a start, it it felt a bit like, you know, you know in Red Dwarf?

AdamWhere um, Lister is revived, and Holly's talking to him and he says something about, oh, yeah, she wouldn't be much good as a companion unless you wanted to grit your drive.

AdamBecause,

AdamKryten got turned into a pile of dust.

AdamAnd he going, Holly, and it's like, yeah, sorry, Dave.

AdamI've been on my own too long.

AdamI think I've gone a bit weird.

AdamAnd I think that's what's definitely happened to Yoda.

AdamBecause Yoda.

AdamYoda's clearly like, you know, he's been alone for a while and gone a bit balmy.

AdamAnd it's,

Adamespecially how impressed he is with the torch.

LeeYeah, I thought that as well.

LeeI was like, you know.

AdamHe used to hang around on Coruscant in floating chairs.

AdamAnd shit like that.

AdamAnd it's like [making noise].

AdamAnd now he's very impressed with the torch.

LeeI love to see like him like beating the shit out of R2-D2, though, for the rules.

LeeI thought that was a good bit.

AdamI think weirdly enough, I just love the the puppet is,

Adamagain, they haven't really.

AdamDone anything to change the puppet work, because it's so fucking good.

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd you so believe.

AdamApparently, Frank Oz said that quite often uh, Kershner directed the puppet, so he'd talk to Yoda.

AdamNot talk to Frank Oz, like saying to him, can you make him do this?

AdamIt'd be like, right, if you can just go over here and like look him in the eye, essentially.

AdamAnd so.

AdamAnd it does, you know.

AdamHe is real.

AdamHe's definitely real.

LeeApparently, George Lucas actually asked Jim Henson to be Yoda.

LeeBut Jim Henson said, I can't, I'm making a film, I'm busy.

AdamWell, our.

LeeFrank.

AdamAnd Frank Oz did it.

AdamAnd good god.

AdamBecause I mean, without Frank Oz's voice.

AdamYeah.

AdamI mean, would you put your hand in, I mean, you know how.

AdamYou know how hard.

Adam[making noises]

AdamAnd all he wanted was a week.

AdamI.

AdamI often wondered.

AdamIf it was meant to be that he was a droid with male pattern baldness, because he's got the, you know,

Adamhe's got the the Donald Pleasance, he's got the, he's got the sort of a, la, p, sha.

AdamWouldn't it.

AdamHis code name.

AdamYeah.

AdamWould be.

AdamA la p sha.

AdamWouldn't it.

AdamYeah.

AdamYeah, have you got these jokes written down, Wes?

AdamBut again,

AdamBespin does feel, Bespin feels real.

AdamWithout any explanation.

AdamYou've got all the guards dressed up in like their little blue tunics and everything.

AdamAnd sort of, you know.

AdamAnd it's clear that Lobot is doing something, but what we don't know.

AdamBut again, we don't question it, and we bought the figure.

ChrisAnd Lobot controls by by Lando's watch.

AdamYes.

AdamSo he's Lando's watchman, essentially.

AdamI.

AdamI really want a cloud car.

AdamI think they look great.

AdamYeah.

AdamActually, yes, that was that was another that was a pretty cool toy, even though it's just basically two cockpits glued together.

AdamYeah, but if you if you get that toy and you hold it in your hands and then turn it that way, you've got one of the guns from Black Hole.

AdamThat's true, and from the,

AdamWhich is technically we're doing Battle Beyond the Stars.

AdamAt some point, we should do Black Hole.

AdamOh.

AdamWe're definitely doing Black Hole.

AdamBecause any excuse where it's like, you know, it's because I wanted to originally, Mos Eisley Mos Eisley Happy Hour.

AdamWhat I wanted to do is I want to do a podcast that was purely Disney films with disemboweling in them, but Black Hole was the only one I could find.

AdamSo, you know.

AdamOther than other than obviously the cut scene in Frozen.

AdamSo, but they threw through Olaf.

AdamA fucking hot knife.

AdamOr was that just or was that just a fever dream I had once?

AdamThe warmed up stainless steel dildo.

AdamOh, we've.

AdamYou've had to take it to you've had to take it to a to a seriously dodgy direction, haven't you?

AdamYeah.

AdamWhat, they're turning in his carbonite grave.

AdamWhat, you get.

AdamIs he?

AdamNo, the whole unit goes.

AdamIt's on the again, it's on a gimbal system like the slave one, you know, it's it's it's all it's all gravy.

AdamDon't worry about it.

AdamDon't question.

AdamDon't question it.

AdamIt's fine.

AdamI'll explain later.

AdamBut um,

Adamwell.

AdamI seem to have come to all my notes apart from the word bum.

AdamIn Claire's handwriting on this page.

AdamSo.

AdamSo if if if people have no idea what we're talking about, Google bad lip reading, seagull, stop it now. And while you're there, you'll also find, um, uh, bushes of love. Uh, or or or me and Claire's song, as it's known. Some people have, uh, lady and red. We have bushes of love. That's also because our razors are broken. And on that pubic bombshell, um, right, here we go.

AdamNow, can I just say, I don't care if I don't care if we're going spinal tap with this shit.

AdamBut just no half marks, because my tiny brain doesn't do it.

AdamFair enough.

AdamWhat do you mean by,

Adam44?

AdamAnd that's it.

AdamI was thinking that could be the so shockingly in an incredible turn of events.

AdamUnderdog and least popular film in the franchise, Empire Strikes Back, gets 44 Lobots out of 40.

AdamYay!

AdamWere was it not Ugly Ugnauts?

AdamOh, yes.

AdamSo it's 40 Ugnauts.

AdamThere we go.

Adam40 Ugly Ugnauts.

AdamAnd they are ugly Ugnauts.

AdamYeah.

AdamOh.

AdamAnd,

Adamwe'll know, the Nikk Nakkie.

AdamHe's all right.

AdamI've only.

AdamHe's.

AdamHe's an.

AdamHe's in The Mandalorian.

AdamNo, he's in The Mandalorian.

AdamYes, I know that he's I know that's in The Mandalorian.

AdamYes, he's in The Mandalorian.

AdamYes.

AdamYes, he's in The Mandalorian.

Mos Eisley Happy Hour - The Empire Strikes Back

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