Hansel & Gretel Witch Hunters

0:00LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:00ChrisI'm Chris.

0:00AdamI'm Adam.

0:00LeeAnd we are here this evening to discuss 2013's Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters. There will be spoilers, there will be swearing. My fuck is it hot.

0:00LeeI am so warm right now.

0:00LeeI am we've only just started recording and I'm already starting to think by the end of this I might well wither and die.

0:00ChrisIf we get through ten minutes, we've done well.

0:00AdamWell, I don't want to alarm you, but below the surface I have adopted the news reader's talent of, I ain't wearing any trousers.

0:01LeeYeah.

0:01AdamMe, I'm respectful. My scratchers are hidden.

0:01ChrisYou could you can be respectful but when you stand up and you forget you're on camera still.

0:01AdamExactly, yeah. Just just yeah, sudden bump.

0:01AdamYeah, sudden bumping ratings goes to prove everything. So. But yes, it is. Well, that was a chemistry problem that crashed and went wrong.

0:01LeeI am fully your tangerine candy floss. Oh.

0:01AdamBut um, yeah, no, it is a it's not as hot as it has been but it's still bloody hot.

0:01LeeBut everyone's been getting all the weather so. No further ado. Yeah, 2013 in my mind this film is about five years old.

0:01LeeI cannot believe it's fucking 12 years old. It keeps yeah.

0:01ChrisI was thinking that about the fact that it's got steampunk in it, and I was like, that's actually been a long time since I've seen anything with steampunk in now. And that and that whole genre feels like it should still be kind of new.

0:02LeeYeah, I agree. I agree. So I know that it's first time for both of you but Chris, what did you make of this on your first viewing?

0:02ChrisI like it's great fun, isn't it? It and it's got it's got the feel of Dead Snow, but changed enough. Like and it and I liked it, he got straight into the action pretty much. And I thought is this is that a good sign, but actually, yeah, after like you know, 10 15 minutes, it started to build up, started to progress and it's like no this is this is great fun.

0:02LeeIt is proper switch your brain off shit. This is what I and sometimes this is all I need like we like Adam and I were saying before, this I think this is a perfect uh film to to watch with like Van Helsing. It's that it's not it's not it's nothing genius.

0:02ChrisI haven't seen Van Helsing yet, but...

0:03LeeIt's nothing genius, it's daff as dog shit.

0:03ChrisOh, it did have a big twist though.

0:03LeeIt did have a twist.

0:03AdamThat's how twist.

0:03LeeAdam, what did you make of it?

0:03AdamYeah, I've been like you say, it's it's a it's a brains off uh sound on movie. Um, it's I mean, it's I think okay. I mean, I'm not won't necessarily watch it again. And I have to say I just have a weird I have a thing, I don't know why Jeremy Renner is a star.

0:03ChrisOh, oh, so like I was I was having some of those thoughts. And and like but then he does something where he's a bit nice and I'm like you're all right.

0:03AdamIt's just it's just a weird thing that it's just I don't I can't quite work it because it's like.

0:03ChrisHe seems like generally he's good all around.

0:03AdamYeah, but he's he doesn't seem handsome enough.

0:03ChrisNothing that should have necessarily propelled him.

0:04AdamTo like that's the reason.

0:04LeeYeah.

0:04AdamHe also doesn't seem to be charismatic enough that that's the reason. Do you know what I mean? It's you know, I mean, for one you know, enemy of the show Tom Cruise.

0:04LeeYeah.

0:04AdamYou know, the fucker can act when he chooses to. And he's clearly a good looking man.

0:04ChrisYeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:04AdamWhere Jeremy Renner I'm a bit sort of like, oh, was was someone else not able?

0:04AdamAnd obviously and obviously it's like it's also that rub off thing of being basically the Aquaman of Marvel and that he's Hawkeye.

0:04ChrisYeah.

0:04AdamHe's only got mask mate. What's going on there?

0:04LeeYou know what, I I think it is genuinely because every time I hear a story about him, a bit like with Keanu Reeves, it's always super positive and he seems like the nicest fella. And I wonder if he's just kind of gotten into Hollywood and everyone just goes, he's lovely though, isn't he?

0:05ChrisWe'd quite like him to be an actor, like yeah.

0:05AdamThat could be a good sign actually like you say cuz let's face it Keanu Keanu Reeves uh very attractive man but it's definitely not his acting that got him there.

0:05AdamAnd looks alone do not build you a reputation. So maybe that's the thing. I mean, have you have you ever heard his um uh his music as well. It's a bit sort of.

0:05LeeOh dear. Keanu Reeves.

0:05AdamNo, Jeremy Renner.

0:05LeeJeremy Renner.

0:05AdamJeremy Renner's got a band but it's it's it's very much.

0:05ChrisIs it also like reasonably good.

0:05AdamIt's kind of it's kind of whatever Bruce Springsteen is.

0:05LeeOh, okay.

0:05AdamThank you. Clear the corners just off the off the genre type shit.

0:05LeeYeah.

0:05AdamJust sort of wank rock stuff.

0:05AdamYeah, just sort of like you know, just sort of like, hey, I'm just an ordinary guy and I've got a guitar and some denim.

0:05LeeI'm going to check it out. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how I get on.

0:06ChrisI'm glad you've boosted him up a bit for me Lee, that's.

0:06AdamThat that was the thing is do you know what this really felt like to me and I can't remember I can't remember we had a film a little while back where we said it about as well. This feels like it was a comic first.

0:06LeeYes.

0:06AdamAnd then they adapted it because there's loads of little bits that don't quite go anywhere, but I kind of feel like if you like if you read the comic, you know that that's a bigger deal.

0:06ChrisIt felt like there could be more of a world being built.

0:06AdamYes, I wonder if it was they had a sequence.

0:06AdamYeah, looking for sort of like a sequel thing because it's like it's like I I cuz I actually really like the idea that the witch's sweets gave him magical diabetes.

0:06LeeYeah, that but it doesn't really lead to anything.

0:06AdamSo I kind of thought you know, if it was one of those things where I was like, I bet if you read the comic there's like a three there's a three issue Arc where they really go into that but they've put it in the film because they know the fans are going to want to have they wouldn't want that element missed out.

0:07AdamAnd I don't I I also cuz don't they say it's like what is it? It's he has to inject every hour.

0:07AdamAnd I'm like, well I'm assuming you must have a steampunk alarm clock because I don't know that I could be up every hour on the air to make sure I didn't die.

0:07AdamBut with depressive conditions that might it might be just far too tempting to not set the alarm clock. But that's me.

0:07LeeBut yeah, I did I just I again I find this film this is probably the fourth or fifth time I've seen it.

0:07LeeSo I have been back to it several times. I say when I want something darft that and the thing is I know it's a bad movie.

0:07LeeI was waiting for it to come out and it was one of those I I've seen the trailer, I was desperate for it. It came out and I went oh it's just the trailer with extra bits.

0:07ChrisYeah, yeah, definitely has that about it.

0:07LeeBut I still enjoy it and there's something about it that keeps bringing me back.

0:07LeeAnd it's the cast as well. The cast is so.

0:08ChrisYeah, so so certainly a stepped up cast from me not recognizing anyone in Dead Snow.

0:08LeeYeah.

0:08ChrisUm, there's definitely something and Peter Stormare.

0:08LeePeter Stormare, yeah.

0:08ChrisPlaying another useless cop as he does in Spun. Um, which is a second person from Spun recently when we had John Leguizamo.

0:08LeeJohn Leguizamo, yeah.

0:08AdamCuz I I assumed watching it that that was going to be a bigger thing because it's Peter Stormare and he's kind of.

0:08ChrisYeah.

0:08AdamCuz obviously, I always think of Fargo principally.

0:08LeeYeah, I do. Yeah.

0:08AdamBut then also just how oddly disturbing he is in Constantine.

0:08AdamAnd Constantine is kind of in a similar sort of vein. It's not necessarily a film. It's that sort of adventure and that's actually adapted from a comic.

0:08ChrisIsn't that one that's got Keanu Reeves in?

0:08AdamIt has, yeah.

0:08ChrisI've only ever seen the poster for.

0:09AdamOh, right. Yeah, but he he's Satan in it.

0:09AdamAnd I'm not I mean it's part partly it's the direction but it's certainly the performance there's just something that he gives cuz he is a frankly, he's got to be he's got to be absolutely charming and run a kitten farm because if he was as he comes across in a lot of his roles.

0:09LeeYeah.

0:09AdamYou know, it would be like I don't want to be in the same room as the man. The man must be fucking disturbing.

0:09LeeAgain, it's another one of those things, you know, like we've said with other actors where they always seem to get past get cast sorry as the most obnoxious, horrendous human beings. And then whenever you see him interviewed or whatever, you're like, oh, they're really nice.

0:09AdamAnd well, I mean, he's a fantastic.

0:09LeeYou feel sorry for them. You like it can only be your appearance that people keep going. We need someone who's a real piece of shit. Let's get him. He looks like a real piece of shit.

0:10AdamHe gives good menace.

0:10LeeYeah.

0:10ChrisHe's got the voice for it.

0:10AdamI kind I kind of assumed that he was going to be a bigger part to it or there was going to be a link up between him and the witches.

0:10ChrisWhen you see him at the start it yeah.

0:10AdamYou know. And which which oddly enough, I mean is kind of a refreshing thing rather than it's like, you know, he's clearly genuine about his prejudice against witches. Um, it's not a front because he's actually in collusion or whatever like that.

0:10AdamBut it does seem to sort of like just go, I we'll just get rid of that because that's just we don't need that bit of the plot anymore.

0:10AdamSo you know, we get Edward to tread on his head. And that I was impressed with as well. It's you know that that is a um I didn't I sort of assumed but Edward was um practical.

0:10LeeYeah.

0:10AdamLike, you know, and at first you just assume that they're they're going to achieve it to a certain extent through CGI or anything else like that. But no actually that was like as a practical effect. And I did enjoy sort of the aesthetic I really enjoyed cuz you've got like you said Chris you've got those sort of steampunk elements but it's like in a fairy tale land cuz it's like, well, where cuz obviously it's fairy tale. So it's like where is this set?

0:11AdamAnd you know, it's roughly middle of Europe, roughly medieval. But you've got a brass Gatling gun and a a homemade gramophone and stuff like that and you know steampunk cattle prods and stuff.

0:11AdamAnd but I also really like the fact that the witches are just riding around on branches.

0:11LeeYeah.

0:11AdamYou know, they're sort of um, I don't I wish we'd seen more of when they actually at the end of it where it's like the they have the sort of gathering. And it's like, loads of these witches look really interesting.

0:11AdamCould we have not had them earlier, you know, we've seen more of this variety but again, maybe that was they were thinking, well, we'll save that for the sequel.

0:12ChrisIt did seem like that definitely.

0:12LeeThat was exactly what I thought. I thought the same when I watched the trailer and saw them all. I was like, oh, even if they only get a few minutes each like to see these some of these witches would be amazing.

0:12LeeYeah. And then all of a sudden it's that cabin in the woods thing of you see them all at once and then they're all just decimated and they're gone and you're like so many characters that you've made and given their own looks and they're all so interested and you don't get to see any of them in any depth. They all just get massacred immediately.

0:12AdamYeah.

0:12AdamAnd um but yeah, I think I mean Gemma Arterton's great. I mean obviously we saw her in um, uh the voices.

0:12LeeYes.

0:12LeeI love her. I think she's just she's I think she's really good like in so many different roles. Um and she always just comes across so sweet is the thing like you almost can't.

0:13AdamWell, weirdly enough, when I was like looking cuz there's there's not a lot about it online. You know, other than sort of like bog basics of sort of filming and stuff like that. Um, but by the looks of things like Gemma Arterton was like third fourth choice or whatever like that or wasn't wasn't originally in the running and I'm like, but she's fucking good, you know.

0:13LeeAnd she's perfect for this role.

0:13AdamAnd she's sort of like, I mean, she was doing um, I think both her and Jeremy Renner are doing like majority a lot of their own fighting and their own stunts and things like that.

0:13AdamUm, and again, you know, it's throwing yourself into the role.

0:13ChrisYeah.

0:13LeeI was going to say if nothing else the action in this is really hard like really fast-paced and like it's it's an exciting film, isn't it?

0:14ChrisAnd there is some brutal dark bits. Even though it's presented in quite a light way.

0:14AdamWell, you can definitely see Tommy Wirkola's hand in this cuz obviously like we said he he sort of doing doing this because we watched Dead Snow.

0:14ChrisYeah.

0:14AdamAnd yeah, it's that same sort of frantic action and things like that. I think this has more this has more ebb and flow cuz sort of Dead Dead Snow is like basically starts and then it's just a Once it kicks off it's it's stupid to use the term snowball for Dead Snow but it's you know, it just keeps keeps going.

0:14ChrisOnce it kicks off it's.

0:14AdamWhereas this this has change and everything else like that.

0:14AdamI do also have to I do have to say though is that they I think they play well together, but I don't quite get brother and sister.

0:14AdamBut I suspect that's just because of I was really spoiled by Nope.

0:15AdamWhich is one of the most fucking realistic like sibling relationships I've ever seen in anything.

0:15AdamAnd it's like.

0:15Lee100% Yeah, yeah.

0:15AdamSo, you can't complain that it's not something else. So but you know, I think that they um.

0:15AdamCuz there's bits where you feel they would be a bit more sort of like they could just be like when they land on top of each other and it wouldn't be sort of like, oh you okay or anything like get off.

0:15AdamYeah.

0:15AdamThere's there's that sort of you you don't have that sort of you have that offhandedness that sort of, you know, it um.

0:15AdamI think and because that's the thing is cuz obviously they're there is there are funny lines and there's funny dialogue and stuff like that. So I think it would feed into it that well if they'd have had that more knockabout sort of thing.

0:15AdamUm, but I think that um, and uh.

0:16AdamYeah, I think um, Famke Janssen's um I mean, she's she's good. It's not necessarily her best sort of role but then I think it's what you're it's what you have there.

0:16AdamBut I still think she makes an impact and I think she's still.

0:16LeeShe does make an impact especially on me cuz I had a strange moment of realization where watching this I was like, she's an attractive woman. Why do I find her at least twice as attractive when she turns into the evil witch? I definitely do.

0:16AdamWell, that we can't explain cuz it's not that sort of a podcast.

0:16LeeYeah.

0:16AdamWe are not going to we are not going to sort of go into the the sort of psychology of your mind.

0:16LeeYes.

0:16LeeBut it's funny cuz in my mind, I don't know why I always mix her up with Gal Gadot. So in my mind, it was like, oh it's Gal Gadot plays the witch and then I was like, no, it isn't. It isn't I don't know why I confuse it. I think they've got similar hair.

0:17AdamActually, I think Claire's Claire said same thing she thought it was at first. So there are there is obviously a similarity there.

0:17AdamBut I mean obviously, I mean much like Gemma Arterton, I mean, she's a former Bond girl as well.

0:17LeeYeah.

0:17Adamtop and she's Jean Grey in pretty much all the X-Men franchise. I think she's in everyone, isn't she? I can't remember.

0:17LeeI've not seen them all so I'm not up to date on them.

0:17AdamBut yeah, so I mean it's.

0:17AdamI do I think the cuz cuz at first I was quite happy to be going, hang on. You said that the evil people who uh women who use Witchcraft it makes them ugly and everything else like that. And then it was like, oh she has to be a supreme witch if she can glamorize herself and disguise herself and everything. But then it's then it went into the other end of it and it's like, yeah, but if she's a good witch, she won't. It was like, well, you could be killing a good witch. You don't know that.

0:18LeeI mean, admittedly we know that she's doing both halves but it's sort of yeah.

0:18AdamAnd um, I've I've sorry, slight distraction. I've just noticed your t-shirt. It's fantastic.

0:18LeeOh, thank you very much. For those who can't see, I'm wearing the Bad News Torte t-shirt that my brother got me for Christmas about three years ago. Um, and it is my it is one of my absolute favorite in the house t-shirts. Um, cuz I love wearing it but it has got I saw Bad News fuck up written across the back so I don't wear it out in public very often.

0:18LeeBut yeah.

0:18AdamOh.

0:18LeeBut you you so you touched on Edward earlier. Um, yeah, Derek Mears who later went on to be Jason in Friday the 13th.

0:18ChrisYeah.

0:18LeeUm.

0:18AdamYeah, he's done quite a lot of creature roles, isn't he and stuff like that? Obviously, you know, big lad, you know.

0:19LeeYeah.

0:19LeeGreat in this. And again, because I'd never I never put the two together cuz it's such not small roles but So I didn't realize that creepy Bob Mortimer from Dead Snow is also the guide in this. When I saw it this time and having seen him only a month apart, I went, oh shit, yeah, it's him. That's why he's in both films cuz he's come over from Dead Snow.

0:19AdamYeah.

0:19AdamAnd he's actually he's very good in this. I really thought he was a very good addition. It's a it's again, it's one of those things where there's a few people where you're like, no, you should have you should have kept him around longer.

0:19LeeHe should have had a bigger role. I think he was great.

0:19AdamBut I think the um, and uh, I mean as they go off at the ending what I'm hoping is that Jeremy Renner's with uh Ben, the apprentice lad. And Jeremy Arterton's banging Edward. I think that that would be the they've gone off like as a as a set of couples. I think that'd be really good.

0:20LeeAll right, so like double date and witch hunt.

0:20AdamYeah, exactly.

0:20LeeYeah, yeah, why not?

0:20AdamBut um, I've got a hobby.

0:20AdamWell also there was the there was I think how did how did Claire word this? So I get this exactly right.

0:20AdamUh, yeah, Hansel discovers there are good witches by accidentally sticking his will in one.

0:20LeeYeah.

0:20LeeBasically, it yeah, that's that's exactly it.

0:20LeeBut I did find that kind of strange. So we so we see him arrive in town, he saves that girl's life. He then spends the whole night in the pub trying to shag anything that moves. And then when one of the hottest women in village comes up and tries it on with him, he suddenly shits his pants.

0:21ChrisHe's got he's got intimacy problems.

0:21LeeI was like, yeah, why are you trying to get rid of her? Last night, you you were desperate for anybody.

0:21ChrisWell, maybe it's when he was a bit embarrassed, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah.

0:21LeeYeah, sobriety. Yeah, sobriety. He hates it. He himself. Yeah.

0:21AdamHe's pissed so that he's he's pissed so he thinks he can do it but can't.

0:21AdamAnd then in in a sober moment, he's like, oh my god.

0:21LeeYeah.

0:21AdamSuddenly starts going all Frankie Howard and being a bit like oh no dear, don't want to me.

0:21LeeYeah, I just yeah, so I think it's I think it's the aesthetic of this film that I really like as you say. I love the I love the sets. I love that steampunk feel about the whole thing.

0:21ChrisYeah, all works together.

0:21AdamIt looks fucking cold.

0:21LeeYeah, yeah, it does.

0:21AdamYou know, that the woods, that's proper woods you're having an adventure in. It doesn't it's not it's not a picnic woods.

0:21LeeNo.

0:21AdamNo. It's not picnic woods or redneck woods, but it is just like, yes, I believe all manner of spectrams and spims are at work in in the between these trunks, you know.

0:22LeeYeah, you'll see I hadn't worked that out but you're right. As soon as you see the wood, you go, yeah, it's a fairy tale. Of course it's a fairy tale. It's a fairy tale wood. That's exactly what it looks like. I don't know how I don't know how it differs from any other kind of wood, but that's precisely what it looks like.

0:22LeeUm, it's well done as well.

0:22AdamCuz I could see this weirdly enough. I could also see this double billing with Sleepy Hollow because I think that follows a similar sort of thing because there's sort of steampunky elements in Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow and but also just that the general look of it.

0:22AdamAnd I really love the I really love the um title um like the sort of wood cut.

0:22ChrisThe intro.

0:22LeeYeah.

0:22AdamYeah, the animations, yeah, thing. That's great. It was just really fun. Yeah.

0:23ChrisI would quite happily watch like half an hour of that.

0:23ChrisBut yeah, like you say I thought the effects were decent enough still.

0:23ChrisLike there's no point that I think.

0:23AdamOh, absolutely. This is.

0:23AdamYou know, there is there is no way that this is this is not a poorly made film in any way shape or form.

0:23AdamYou know, because I think everything is topnotch and we know that Tommy Wirkola's, you know, effects work, action work, every, you know, atmosphere.

0:23AdamI think.

0:23AdamYou know, it's that's all going to be spot on.

0:23LeeI just think the only thing that that that possibly stopped it being a better film. I get that feeling that it was as you say, so somebody in Hollywood had seen Dead Snow and then said let's get him to make a horror film but for not for horror fans, but just something that's going to hit a large demographic.

0:23ChrisPopularized.

0:24LeeYeah.

0:24LeeSo it feels.

0:24LeeSorry.

0:24LeeYeah to the general public, which um yeah, which I can see why they did it and you know, it it's uh yeah, it it's it is a good I do like it. It is a good film.

0:24LeeBut it is a bit of a guilty pleasure like I you know.

0:24LeeIf someone came around and I was watching this, I would expect them to be like, don't you watch proper horror.

0:24AdamYeah.

0:24LeeSometimes I want something Darft and fun and this is Darft and fun and shiny.

0:24LeeLike it it's great.

0:24AdamBut also I think I think it also falls into that category. It is like something like Indiana Jones. You know, where it's I think that the adventure end of this is much more the the sort of point of it.

0:24AdamIt's an action adventure.

0:24ChrisYeah.

0:24AdamWhich is touches on some horror. It has that, you know, which and but then weirdly enough, I just think that that as a genre, I mean, even I mean Marvel's dying on its ass now really like those that superhero films are beginning to that sort of die out as well.

0:25AdamBut I think that just yeah that sort of family is probably not the right word but you know, that sort of thing where it's just a a knockabout adventure.

0:25LeeYeah.

0:25AdamI just don't think they do it as as often these days.

0:25LeeNo, they don't, which is.

0:25LeeWhich was so surprised when I went to see uh just to drop it in there the new Masters of the Universe movie.

0:25AdamOh, yeah.

0:25LeeThat that's exactly what it is.

0:25LeeIt is.

0:25LeeIt's that it's like this like it's it's it's family friendly, like there's nothing in it that's too that you wouldn't show to somebody, you know, 10 12 years old.

0:25LeeUm, but yeah, it's just it's all our action and it's I mean I went to saw it twice.

0:25ChrisIt's actually good, is it?

0:25LeeI really enjoyed it.

0:25LeeSo I when I'd asked my brother to come with me and he said yes, but he couldn't find a date. And then somebody else asked me to go with him. So I went, oh yeah, I don't know if Ben's going to make it now. So I went and saw it with him. And then ding come back to me and went, oh I can do next weekend. So I was like, you know what, I had a good enough time. I'm definitely going to go and watch it again. So I I saw it twice, yeah.

0:26AdamOh, that's amazing.

0:26LeeNo regrets.

0:26LeeIt's really good fun.

0:26LeeSo I think that's that's the takeaway from like the Marvel thing is the superhero element they've totally burned that out by just saturating it.

0:26LeeBut I think the lessons they've learned from that that they're taking back to other old properties like Masters of the Universe, like Mortal Kombat. And I think they're using what they've learned from that to actually reinvigorate other new material, which I think is a really positive thing and it's definitely working so.

0:26AdamYeah, cuz I mean I think I think superheroes it's going to be that for the start of this decade is like cowboy movies for the forties and fifties and sixties, you know, it's going to be like, shit, they just made loads of them. What the fuck, you know.

0:27AdamBut I think cuz I think also with this is cuz I think it's that it's not not quite family because obviously there's some swearing, there's some sort of.

0:27AdamWhat was it that cuz it came up in um, like cuz I'm I'm watching injury detail was in the the warnings on the thing when I watched it on streaming.

0:27AdamAnd it was um, yeah, so it's sort of.

0:27AdamYeah, it's it's like but then I think there is that area that always used to be things like Star Wars with the burn bodies. You know, there used to be a thing where it was like, no, that's absolutely fine, show the kids.

0:27ChrisYeah, yeah.

0:27AdamWhereas now I think that it's like, you don't show on blood. You don't show on what happens if they get knifed.

0:27AdamYou know, whereas I think that sort of it used to be slightly more robust and you'd have things like sort of, you know, that's fine we can have a soul find someone gets their hand cut off. You know, in this thing that we're going to show six year olds.

0:28AdamSo.

0:28LeeThose things stuck with you, but they didn't damage us. Like, you know, I mean, if anything, that's probably the reason we're not all having soul fights, right?

0:28AdamI mean, between that and the bloody, um, we should we should do an episode of those but I think between that and the public information films that used to be. Where it's like, people watch them, you know, people watch them now and go, fucking hell, that's it's like, yeah, but we didn't fucking do it.

0:28LeeExactly, yeah.

0:28AdamYou know, we were shit scared. It did exactly what it needed to do. We were shit scared and we didn't do it.

0:28LeeAbsolutely.

0:28LeeBut yeah, I say yeah, as we were saying with this possibly having a I mean if there was a sequel to this, I 100% would have been there on opening night to watch it.

0:28ChrisI'd I'd very happily watch it.

0:29AdamI think there's I think it weirdly enough cuz it kept cropping up every so often when I was like just searching online is every so often I'd put in put in the title and then it would come up too. And I think it's just one of those things where they've they've been trying to do it.

0:29AdamBut it's just never sort of it's just never ignited and I suppose unlike if this had been like say Ghostbusters. You know, if it had been huge.

0:29AdamThen that potential could still happen. I mean it's like now I mean to be frank now I'm depressed whenever they say there's a sequel for something that's sort of like 20 years old or whatever cuz I'm like, oh I don't.

0:29LeeThey're doing it now with Goonies, aren't they? They've just announced there's a new Goonies movie.

0:29AdamOh, that's what we really need. Middle-aged Goonies, everyone's going to fucking go for that.

0:29LeeYou know what, but the the thing is they're absolutely right. They're going to make their money back on opening weekend cuz I'm going to be there.

0:30LeeDoesn't matter how shit it is, I'm going to be there and that's that's the thing, isn't it? If you can fool enough people to turn up on opening weekend, it doesn't matter how shit it is. As long as you make your money back in the first three days before word gets out, you can get away with murder.

0:30AdamWell, it's it's that it's that thing that is there's a trend, I mean it's probably completely different now but there was a trend back when people bought music properly like bought albums and bought singles and stuff like that. Is there was always the thing that every everyone's best-selling album was the album after their best record.

0:30LeeYeah.

0:30AdamSo by the time everyone had heard the absolutely fantastic one and then every fucker went out and bought the next one which was probably somewhat shit or like, oh no, they've gone back to that.

0:30AdamOr yeah, oh dear. Oh no, this is embarrassing. But that would always be the really big fucking record cuz it was the one that came after the the groundbreaker, you know, or the the big hit.

0:31LeeYeah.

0:31LeeOh yeah, no, definitely. I mean and that's the thing, you know, you you don't get that anymore because of things like Spotify. You know, you listen to it now.

0:31LeeYou're not there like I remember when versus by Pearl Jam came out. I remember being outside HMV waiting for it to open with our friend at school Andrew. Literally because we were like, anything that comes after 10 has got to be great.

0:31LeeAnd I think we'd heard maybe one or two tracks from versus. Yeah, so we were there waiting to buy it. That wasn't a disappointment. That was a fucking great album. But yeah, it was that sometimes it works, yeah.

0:31LeeIt could have been.

0:31LeeIt could have been a piece of shit and by they'd have made their money back because everyone was there on opening day to buy it. So even if it was rubbish, it could have been a blank CD.

0:31LeeThey'd have made.

0:31LeeSo much money.

0:31LeeOff of selling it, they still would have been happy.

0:31LeeYeah.

0:31LeeBut yeah, so uh, yeah. So it's too late now.

0:31LeeI think I would have thought I I was thinking as I say that's what caught me off guard earlier was how old it is cuz part of me was like, they could still do a sequel to this. They could totally still do a sequel to this.

0:32AdamYeah, yeah.

0:32AdamNo, no.

0:32AdamBut I think that momentum's gone.

0:32LeeYeah, yeah.

0:32AdamIf if there was any there anyway.

0:32AdamI don't think cuz I don't think it did badly. I don't think it was a flop particularly but I just don't think it was No, it wasn't. It was it moderately, you know, it wasn't sort of like it wasn't that summer's film or whatever, you know, it was just yeah.

0:32LeeI mean give it to Guillermo del Toro or Robert Eggers or somebody and you know, it you know, a real.

0:32AdamCuz I'm pretty sure that this shares some uh Guillermo del Toro like effects artists and stuff like that.

0:32LeeOh really.

0:32AdamBecause but again that feeling really comes through in it. I think it's that sort of yeah, sort of near fairy tale but sort of hard-edged fairy tale.

0:33LeeAnd I did like that. Like I liked the fact that you know the idea of a gingerbread house is such a stupid idea but actually they still somehow managed to make it seem vaguely creepy and Yeah, yeah.

0:33AdamWell, I I think that's one of those things you either you either Robert Eggers it and sort of like, no, we've got or actually more accurately, we Christopher Nolan it and we rationalize it and make it how it could be, even though you're still talking about, you know, magical creatures or whatever. Or you just go hog and go, yeah, it's a fucking gingerbread house, get on with it.

0:33AdamYou know, it's made of sweets, you can eat it. Crack on.

0:33AdamI think actually cuz this is obviously our this is actually our second film based on Hansel and Gretel and I think yeah, Gretel and Hansel as well.

0:33LeeYeah, yeah.

0:33AdamI think was such a fucking great film. Utterly different in a totally different vein to this, you know, because this is this is the what if this is the what happened to them when they grew up? And they went off and became monster hunters basically, you know, so.

0:34LeeYeah, where Gretel and Hansel was just that's the story that we're going to make it so dark and so horrible. But still I mean what a stunning film.

0:34LeeBut yeah, so uh, yeah, so to wrap up this is great fun.

0:34LeeDon't go in expecting something that's going to hit your top ten moving forward.

0:34LeeBut again.

0:34LeeAs we said, if you like.

0:34LeeUh, Sleepy Hollow the Tim Burton one and if you like.

0:34LeeUm, Van Helsing.

0:34ChrisVan Helsing.

0:34LeeVan Helsing.

0:34LeeYeah.

0:34ChrisAre we gonna are we gonna do that? when we're gonna do that?

0:34AdamWe'll have to do that at some point.

0:34AdamI think further to our conversation, they did make figures. Van Helsing had action figures.

0:34LeeOh, did they.

0:34LeeOh, So yeah, that's but that's something we'll revisit when we go to Van Helsing.

0:35LeeDo you know what, I would track them down, but I'm guessing they sold so badly that they're probably worth a fortune and most of them.

0:35AdamI reckon that'll be one of those ones that goes one or two ways. You can either pick up the lot for a fiver or it's like, you know, Dracula's dog is a couple of grand, you know.

0:35LeeOh.

0:35LeeRight.

0:35LeeSo we're going to return in a Fortnite's time for Troll Hunter.

0:35AdamHey.

0:35LeeUm, yeah, again.

0:35AdamNot not Edward, is it?

0:35AdamNo, different troll.

0:35LeeI've not seen Troll Hunter since we saw it the first time which literally was the week it was released.

0:35LeeSo I'm very keen to rewatch it cuz I remember really enjoying it but I remember nothing about it whatsoever.

0:35LeeSo I'm I'm yeah, really looking forward to going back and watching it.

0:36ChrisThere are trolls in it.

0:36AdamThere are trolls in it and it's.

0:36AdamI it's it's kind of kind of in the vein of um, uh what we do in the shadows in so much as it's presented as a documentary.

0:36AdamSo it's a crew following a troll hunter around.

0:36LeeYeah, it's and again again, it's funny cuz it's called Troll Hunter. There's a picture of a troll on it but the twist of the film is there are trolls.

0:36LeeBut yeah, you kind of know that going in at this point but yeah, great fun.

0:36LeeSo we'll be back in a Fortnite's time for that.

0:36LeeUm yeah, go and check out this film if it sounds like it's your cup of tea.

0:36LeeIt's good fun. It's daft as fuck. Yeah, have a few beers, switch your brain off and just enjoy it.

0:36LeeIt's very shiny and it's it's a good laugh.

0:36LeeRight. So thanks ever so much for listening everybody and we'll see you in the Fortnite's time. Good night.

0:36ChrisGood night.

0:36AdamGood night.