Muppets Dracula
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Welcome To Horror Presents: “The Muppet’s Francis Ford Coppola’s Bram Stoker’s Dracula”. It’s Christmas, and the Welcome To Horror team have decided to celebrate by honouring one of the finest Christmas movies of all time, The Muppet Christmas Carol, but with a horror twist. Our premise is to take “Bram Stoker’s Dracula” and recast it with the Muppets! We’re keeping Gary Oldman as our token human, but the rest of the cast are up for grabs! Join Lee, Chris, Adam and Lady Jennifer for our jolly Christmas Party of Gothic Horror and Muppet Mania.
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- Keanu Reeves' portrayal of Jonathan Harker's aging
My favorite thing here that actually, you know, just on the Bram Stoker's Dracula thing is watching it because similar sort of thing, Claire had never seen Bram Stoker's Dracula, she's a Muppets fan and obviously she suggested it and I'd sort of like thought, well, Dracula will be the one because there's enough characters to go around. If you did like the Shining, well that's only three Muppets and one of them's got to be a real actor, you know, so. … Yes, exactly. But so, you know, it seemed like it had a big enough cast and everything else like that. So we watched it with a view to Claire had never seen it and also, you know, you can just go through and start casting as you go, something. Um, but the one thing I'd forgotten about with Bram Stoker's Dracula is the fact that Jonathan Harker as played by Keanu Reeves has to age prematurely. And it's like, Keanu Reeves hasn't aged in the last fucking 30 years. And strangely enough, when he was a young whippersnapper, putting talcum powder on his luscious hair does not in any way shape or form age him.
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LeeBrave.
LeeGood evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
JenniferI'm Jennifer!
UnknownYay!
ChrisWhy is Adam on the side? Is that just me?
LeeYeah, no, Adam's playing up and he's going. I'll be honest, you're all on the side at the moment.
ChrisYou're on the side.
LeeSo, we are here for our Christmas staff party episode as always that we do every year, but this year we're doing something very new.
Leea fantastic suggestion from Claire, so just to remind everyone in case you didn't hear the end of the last episode. This evening, in the style of Muppet's Christmas Carol, we are going to be recasting Dracula with Muppets.
LeeSo, like Muppet's Christmas Carol, our main character will still be Gary Oldman, but we will be doing Bram Stoker's Dracula and we're each have come up with a list of which characters we would replace with which Muppet.
ChrisNow, is Claire trolling me because she knows I've never seen Bram Stoker's Dracula and I basically only know who Kermit and Miss Piggy is.
LeeDid we not cover this as an episode? I thought we did Bram Stoker's Dracula.
AdamWe've never done Bram Stoker's Dracula.
ChrisWe've never done it. We've done lots of Draculas but never the old Bram Stoker.
JenniferI think Lee refuses to watch it.
ChrisYes, it's not his favorite. However, it turns out it's one of my favorites having now watched it.
LeeOh, have you watched it?
JenniferOh, he went to me.
ChrisOh, I thought I got at least watch this and try and watch some Muppets as well, you know.
ChrisWell, I should know Muppets, but there you go.
AdamWell, this was a similar thing because Claire had suggested the Muppets thing and I was kind of like, well, we need to find a film that's got a big enough cast and you know, is reasonably well.
ChrisAn interesting enough cast to be able to place each of the characters.
ChrisAs I was going through it, I was like, this is actually a seriously great idea and I was loving it.
ChrisBut I also feel like I need about a year of studying both to fully appreciate it, but we'll see.
AdamWell,
ChrisI've actually come up with two versions as well.
LeeOh, you went around?
ChrisI'm not messing around here. I've I've put some effort in.
LeeYou have.
Chriswell, yeah, yeah. But you can see which one you like the most.
JenniferThe one, the X-rated version.
ChrisWell, where I've called it the hyper-modern comedic version.
ChrisVersus the serious Muppet version.
LeeSee now you say Chris that you've put some serious effort in.
LeeI would like to point out for the listeners because it might there might be a giggle or two.
Leeevery time I give my recommendation, I'm going to share my screen and share an image because I spent somewhere in the region of three hours today on AI getting it to recreate each of the characters as a Muppet.
LeeAnd have even, I'll say I'll say that for later. I'll say, but yes, but I've done that and I will share them with Adam.
LeeSo, and I'll put them on our socials.
AdamOh, good.
ChrisNo one can argue your your diligence.
AdamFor a good cause.
ChrisBut which AI have you incorporated?
LeeOh, so I used two different ones.
LeeThe first one I used brought back pretty much like a very similar image for both.
Leebut some of them were brilliant. So I kept some of them, then I went and used a different AI.
Leewhere you can add photos as well. So I would add a character, a photo of the character, a photo of the Muppet and then say, I want this Muppet as this character.
LeeAnd it did it.
LeeI laughed my absolute cock off for about an hour and a half today.
LeeI was in absolute bits just sitting in the house on my own.
LeeLaughing at these images.
ChrisSo Lee has actually put some serious effort into this one.
ChrisNo one can take that away from him except possibly Jennifer sitting to his left or right.
JenniferNo, no, I put minimal effort into this, but it sounded so much fun. I was like, I need to come out of retirement to get involved.
JenniferBut no, no, I am.
AdamIt's like, it's Godfather III, we've pulled her right back in.
JenniferYeah, that's it.
LeeI mean, just to discuss why we haven't covered it.
LeeI think my issue with it is.
JenniferYou refused.
LeeI didn't refuse. I definitely wouldn't have refused.
JenniferYou definitely voted it before.
LeeI think you might have come up with some and I went with one of your other options.
LeeThe reason is, I I think it's an awful film because it it it's just the casting.
LeeBut it's it's an amazing cast. Everybody in it is brilliant as an actor.
LeeThey are all.
ChrisWell, well, surely, surely you cannot apply that to Mr. Reeves.
ChrisWho I love he's amazing, he's definitely not a good actor.
AdamIt's
AdamYeah, but he is a good person.
ChrisHe's about as good as me as an actor.
AdamQuite frankly, having seen the number of really good actors who have been outed in various ways of, you know,
Adamhorrible people and horrible events and so on and so forth, I'm going to give Keanu a break on this one.
AdamIt's like, actually you're a decent human being and that seems to be a thing in Hollywood than a good actor.
ChrisHe gets a bit better throughout because he's in it a lot less.
LeeI think he's one of those, he's like.
LeeIf you cast him in the right film, look at like John Wick and stuff, he is incredible.
JenniferThe same film four times, yeah, yeah.
LeeYeah, all right, yeah, he is.
ChrisI mean, I actually like, I think he's great in the Matrix as well.
LeeHe works.
JenniferYeah, as a robot.
AdamYeah.
AdamMy
AdamMy favorite thing here that actually, you know, just on the Bram Stoker's Dracula thing is watching it because similar sort of thing, Claire had never seen Bram Stoker's Dracula, she's a Muppets fan and obviously she suggested it and I'd sort of like thought, well, Dracula will be the one because there's enough characters to go around.
AdamIf you did like the Shining, well that's only three Muppets and one of them's got to be a real actor, you know, so.
ChrisA lot of them play the blood, but yeah.
AdamYes, exactly.
AdamBut so, you know, it seemed like it had a big enough cast and everything else like that.
AdamSo we watched it with a view to Claire had never seen it and also, you know, you can just go through and start casting as you go, something.
Adambut the one thing I'd forgotten about with Bram Stoker's Dracula is the fact that Jonathan Harker as played by Keanu Reeves has to age prematurely.
AdamAnd it's like, Keanu Reeves hasn't aged in the last fucking 30 years.
AdamAnd strangely enough, when he was a young whippersnapper, putting talcum powder on his luscious hair does not in any way shape or form age him.
AdamHe just looks like he's had an accident at the a club, you know.
LeeIt's such a bad movie.
LeeAnd it's funny because previous guest on the show Chris Jones whenever we have this discussion, always argues it and he's like, no, no, it's supposed to be a comedy.
LeeIt's supposed to and I was like, no, it isn't.
LeeIt's just awful.
AdamI I think actually the worst and the worst thing is, is it is very much.
AdamYear zero for modern sexy Dracula.
AdamAnd that pains me to have.
AdamThe one horror film that's got, well, the one horror film I can think of that's got Gary Oldman in it isn't actually all that cop.
AdamAnd it's Dracula, you know, it's.
LeeI know.
LeeHow do you get it wrong?
AdamActually, I'll tell you what.
ChrisBut is it, wait, but is it that sexy?
AdamIt's just.
AdamWell, they decided to give it a.
ChrisI mean, obviously start.
ChrisA few, a few moments, really.
LeeYeah.
ChrisBut on the whole, it's not what I would think of as that sexy.
ChrisI mean, basically look, Keanu Reeves gets pleasured, that's most of his scenes, it seems, he's getting pleasured, right?
ChrisSo sure, that side of it.
ChrisBut the rest of it is not that.
AdamI I love the fact that the Victoriana has has is seeped into you, Chris.
AdamThat it's like, this man was pleasured.
AdamCouple of weeks back, it'd been like, Keanu's got gets noshed.
AdamRight, so, so let's get stuck in.
AdamSo for anybody who missed what we were doing this week and would like to go and do their own very quickly, pause this, go and write some down and come back.
AdamAdam, would you like to list the characters that we will be recasting with Muppets, please?
AdamSo, obviously, as we said, so this is the Muppets Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Adamwhich is actually technically the Muppets Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Adamthere's a lot of a lot of apostrophes in there.
Adambut basically Dracula will be played by Sir Gary Oldman.
AdamHe's not been knighted, but he is in my head.
LeeYeah, and mine.
AdamI'll call him sir because he has earned the title.
AdamAnd yeah, so Gary Oldman will still be playing Dracula.
Adamand then we're recasting the essential characters.
AdamSo we have Jonathan Harker, who is the state agent who visits Dracula at his castle.
AdamMina Murray, his fiance.
AdamLucy Westenra, her dirty mate.
Adamand then her three suitors.
AdamLord Arthur Holmwood, Dr. Jack Seward, and Quincy P. Morris.
Adamthere is also Renfield, who used to work at Jonathan's company but has gone Doolali and is enthralled to Dracula.
AdamProfessor Abraham Van Helsing, who is brought in to deal with the terrible curse of the of the vampire, and then there's also Dracula's Brides and the crew of the Demeter.
AdamSo, you know, there but they're they're sort of that that's more just a sort of a generic thing.
AdamSo essentially, yes, so it's Jonathan Harker, Mina Murray, Lucy, Arthur Holmwood, Dr. Seward, Quincy Morris, Renfield, Van Helsing.
AdamAre the characters that we are recasting.
AdamAnd obviously there's plenty of moments where rats walk across the go across the cellar.
AdamSo there'll be plenty of bits for the rats to appear in Muppets Treasure Island to do their thing.
LeeYes.
LeeNice.
ChrisAnd is Anthony Hopkins?
ChrisI did not know that.
AdamYes.
JenniferSir, Anthony Hopkins.
ChrisNot not necessarily.
ChrisWell, yeah, yeah.
ChrisI don't know I'd give him a sir from this film.
JenniferHe's good.
LeeHe's not.
ChrisHe's good.
LeeYou really want a sir from this film.
AdamI I he is he's phoning it in.
LeeYeah.
AdamHe really is.
AdamBecause I was watching it, I was going, I can already think of three other people who play this better.
ChrisNo.
AdamBecause they've given Van Helsing a bit more of his sort of you know, eccentric humor that is in the book.
Adambut Hopkins is playing it like a bleeding wet fish in this.
ChrisStop flopping around.
AdamYeah.
AdamI also, because I get that and weirdly enough, this is be the last thing about Bram Stoker's Dracula, but I get the idea that obviously so Mina is the reincarnation of Elizabeth that who is Dracula's bride who dies.
ChrisI did like that backstory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
AdamBut why the fuck is the priest also played by Anthony Hopkins?
AdamThat adds fuck all.
AdamAnd just seems a bit shit.
LeeThis whole film is just a series of mistakes.
JenniferIt saved them on an extra actor.
AdamThat's true.
ChrisI thought why is it it feels a bit like it's just seen stitched together with seen rather than a total sort of following thread, but anyway. I I still loved it.
AdamI mean the book is what's the term for it? epistolary as in it's made up of letters and documents and everything else like that.
ChrisYeah, well, okay.
AdamSo I I suppose that could kind of come out of it.
Chrisdecided to go with that. Yeah.
AdamYeah.
LeeRight, Adam, if you would like to lead us in.
LeeAnd then call each of us out for our our choices.
AdamOkay, so.
AdamWe have we have Jonathan Harker.
AdamSo personally, I went with.
AdamIt seemed obvious that that would be Kermit to me.
AdamBut so Chris, what what what say you, sir?
ChrisI also thought that was an obvious Kermit.
ChrisEarnest, observant, a little naive.
ChrisHis decency makes Oldman's Dracula feel even more predatory.
ChrisHe asked the right questions too late every time.
AdamOh.
AdamNice.
AdamMr. Lee and and are you and Lady Jennifer doing separate?
LeeOh, we've done separate.
ChrisOh, separate.
AdamIn which case, sorry, I should have gone ladies first.
AdamLady Jennifer.
JenniferThank you.
Jenniferwell, so my initial thought was obviously Kermit because that would work.
JenniferI was like, sorry, Keanu is no Kermit.
JenniferSo, I went Cookie Monster.
JenniferHasn't got a clue what's going on, generally just interested in one thing, you know, thought that was more appropriate.
ChrisWhat what did Adam say earlier?
ChrisGetting noshed.
JenniferYeah, exactly.
LeeThat's it.
JenniferIt's noshing the cookies, that's all that was going on there.
JenniferSo, yes.
AdamAnd and what say you, Mr. Lee?
Leeso I have got this one, which I'm hopefully sharing with you now.
LeeCan you see that?
ChrisOh.
LeeI have gone with Beaker.
Leehe would give the same performance as Keanu Reeves, guys.
ChrisThat is, that is.
JenniferFormless, yeah.
AdamOh, beautiful.
LeeOh.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's it just for some reason, as soon as you said it, I just immediately went well, it's Beaker, it can't be anyone.
LeeBecause he's he would just be.
Adamespecially especially as he's being pleasured by the brides, you know, that's that's quite something, isn't it?
AdamYeah, if he was to be there.
AdamCan I can I also just say that that that image has reminded me that I'm just going to say this this episode has to be dedicated to our fallen friend, Mr. Wesley Smith.
AdamBecause quite frankly, he'd have been fucking in for this and also, he'd have done us a brilliant poster.
ChrisAbsolutely.
AdamSo.
AdamAlso, as soon as he took his glasses off, bless him, that was his best impression of Beaker.
Leeyeah, I would like to say, I'm not taking work away from anyone with this AI.
LeeIf I hadn't been doing this, I wouldn't have paid somebody, I would have just sat on the sofa reading a book and drinking tea, so.
ChrisThat is a good job though, that that is a Beaker Keanu Reeves.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's.
AdamBeaker Reeves.
AdamImagine that was his nickname at school.
ChrisWhat were you saying Lee? Sat on the sofa doing what?
LeeI'd have been sat on the sofa drinking tea and reading a book. I wouldn't have been doing anything productive.
LeeI certainly wouldn't have been paying someone to do this artwork, so.
AdamWould you would you've been pleasuring?
LeeI mean, at some point maybe, who knows, I mean, it's a Sunday.
AdamDepends on how good the book is, I suppose.
LeeOh.
JenniferOh, or the anacne.
LeeNo, it wouldn't be an acne, yeah.
ChrisCan I follow up with my alternate?
AdamOh, yes.
LeeOh, yes.
ChrisYou got.
ChrisI got for Animal.
ChrisSent as an assistant by mistake.
ChrisCannot read.
ChrisCannot write.
ChrisCommunicates via screaming, drumming and intense eye contact.
ChrisDracula generally unnerved, legal documents are eaten.
JenniferGood ending.
LeeNice.
LeeI like that.
AdamI I'd love to.
AdamI I have to I have to say there's because I well, I'll we'll come to it.
AdamI because I did I thought I think I know where where I had Animal and Beaker peg for this one.
LeeOh, obvious.
AdamThere we go, right, so.
AdamSo that's Jonathan Harker.
AdamSo next up is Mina Murray.
AdamNow, continuing obviously where it was Kermit, I obviously went with Miss Piggy.
Adambecause it just seemed like not only that, but also just.
AdamI can't begin to say how much I suspect Gary Oldman would enjoy romancing Miss Piggy, much in the same way that do you know what I mean, all all the best guest guest stars on the Muppet show were always the ones who were flirting with Miss Piggy, not the ones who.
AdamYou know.
AdamAnd I just really feel that, you know, and and let's face it, it's there are there are.
AdamThere are lady Muppets but truly there is only one ultimate lady Muppet.
AdamAnd so you've got to give her the female lead of the film, I think so personally I went with Miss Piggy.
AdamSo, Jennifer, what say you, sir?
ChrisI'm starting to think this might get us on a list saying that Gary Oldman would enjoy flirting with Miss Piggy.
ChrisBut I absolutely agree.
ChrisThat is who I would choose for Mina.
ChrisDevoted, intelligent, barely restrained fury.
ChrisShe's not passive, she is love sharpened into a blade.
AdamNice.
LeeNice.
JenniferYeah.
JenniferNo, I again, first of all, put down Miss Piggy, but I was like, no.
JenniferWe know a rider, sorry, a bit in zipped in this, a bit floaty around.
JenniferSo I went with Camilla, who I didn't even know that was her name.
AdamIs that the chicken?
JenniferIt's the big eye one.
JenniferI think, is it?
JenniferOr was it a chicken?
JenniferI can't remember now.
JenniferIt's the only other woman I could find.
AdamJanice?
JenniferOn the Muppets.
JenniferI don't know who Janice is.
AdamNot Janice the bass player from the Electric Mayhem Band.
JenniferNo, not her.
JenniferNo, I wrote down Camilla.
Adamokay.
JenniferJust someone that was a bit bland.
JenniferNo, you know what, that was fair.
JenniferSorry, you know, you've done a lot of good things since.
AdamDon't worry, I'm don't worry, I'm about.
ChrisShe's she's the chicken apparently.
AdamYeah, Camilla's Camilla's Gonzo's chicken bride, yeah.
JenniferOh, a bit like.
AdamI can sort of see that actually, yes.
JenniferOkay.
JenniferAnd then Lee?
LeeOkay, so if Winona was upset with her, it's going to get worse.
Lee
ChrisWhat what's Lee got?
LeeFor Mina Murray, I have gone with Fozzie Bear in drag.
LeeIt's it's a large role.
AdamI love the fact that's he was out of.
LeeWhat's that?
JenniferIt's a good hustle.
LeeIt is.
LeeI wanted someone with presence who was going to bring the character to life.
LeeYeah, I'm doing a it does look a bit like I'm gesturing for boobs, but I yeah, I like.
LeeSomeone who needs to be an important role in the film.
LeeI mean, and and you can't not have Fozzie Bear as an important character in the film.
LeeSo therefore I have gone with that.
JenniferFair.
ChrisHe brings some color to an otherwise very drab looking but impressive scene.
AdamAgain, I I think that Gary Oldman would have plenty of fun romancing Fozzie Bear and Camilla the Chicken as well as as well as Miss Piggy, so.
LeeOnce I'd seen the picture, in my mind, all I kept hearing was Fozzie Bear's voice going, but take me away from all this death.
LeeAnd then I I kept why didn't you take me away from all this death?
AdamBy the way, on the subject of the Muppets doing the Shining, obviously Fozzie would play Danny.
AdamBecause he's got someone who lives in his finger in Muppets Treasure Island.
AdamSo it would sort of follow on that just as a little offside there, I have to mention it, so yes.
ChrisMy alternate here.
AdamOh, yes.
ChrisOh.
ChrisI was going for Gonzo.
ChrisGender curious.
ChrisVictorian chaos poet.
ChrisIn love with Jonathan in theory.
ChrisDracula in practice and danger in general.
ChrisTreats the entire situation as an immersive art project.
AdamWell, funnily enough, this was something that Claire said, she she said she wished that we'd decided who was going to play.
AdamWho was going to be played by a human, so that Gonzo could have been Dracula because it would have just been great when his shadow is walking around.
LeeYeah, yeah, you could see the yeah.
AdamSo clearly.
ChrisDefinitely.
AdamRight, so.
AdamNext up and this this is an interesting one.
AdamSo we've got Lucy West Endra.
AdamObviously played by Sadie Frost in the film.
AdamAnd and this is a because again, I was like.
AdamOh, do we go with Janice from the Electric Mayhem Band because she was one of the only lady Muppets that I could think of.
Adamand then Claire came up with Rizzo.
AdamBecause she felt he was the only one who had the same matched the same energy that Sadie Frost brings to Lucy of like this sort of crazy scaty bastard.
ChrisLucy is a bit scaty, I'll give her that.
AdamYeah.
AdamSo I thought again, we're we're talking so obviously it'd be Rizzo basically Rizzo in drag is his Lucy from on my version.
AdamSo, Chris, who do you have?
ChrisWell, I went.
ChrisFor Janice, soft-voiced, drifting presents.
ChrisA sweetness that curdles beautifully into tragedy, her slow fading feels dreamlike rather than comic.
ChrisA fragile candle in the fog.
LeeOh.
LeeNice.
AdamVery very beautimus.
AdamLady Jennifer?
Jenniferare we on to Lucy?
LeeYes.
AdamLucy, yeah.
JenniferYeah, so, you know, yeah, so Miss Piggy, because again, I feel like this is where Miss Piggy should have been.
JenniferBecause this this role is the whole.
JenniferLike nymph fat kind of, isn't it?
ChrisShe's got the energy.
AdamShe have the energy and she she would also be happily battling off three hunters.
JenniferThree.
ChrisThree suitors.
AdamYeah.
JenniferWhich I think really.
JenniferGrace Miss Piggy.
LeeI went with exactly the same.
JenniferYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeMiss Piggy.
ChrisOh, let's.
ChrisLet's see your your piggy.
Lee
ChrisOh, yes.
ChrisAmazing.
LeeYeah.
LeeExactly the same reasons.
LeeReally, yeah.
LeeI was like, Lucy is in the you know, is the sex crazed one with all the boyfriends and Miss Piggy is always the most sexually like, not sexualized.
LeeBut yeah, she's the most sexually active of the Muppets, I would say.
LeeSo yeah, it seemed only right to put her in that role.
ChrisOn my first viewing, appreciating the scene where they start looking through the book together, I was like, I did not expect to see them kind of giggling about different positions in this film.
AdamIt's.
AdamI'd forgotten because because I I had I had it stored on the fucking digital box from when Film 4 showed it.
AdamOn we watched it on I think like exactly the same date I recorded it last fucking December.
LeeWow.
Adamand it starts off and it was like, you know, please bear in mind that there is this is a highly charged erotic film with.
LeeI was like.
AdamIs it?
ChrisIs it?
AdamYou know, and it's sort of like.
AdamI mean, there's there's yeah, there's there's boobs, but then that's that's it's an erotic.
ChrisIs that the Ghostbusters scene with Keanu Reeves this time?
ChrisYou know.
AdamYeah.
ChrisSure.
ChrisBut it's a little bit dreamlike, but then they showed all those pictorial versions of
AdamYeah, I mean there is.
ChrisThe doggy position.
ChrisI was like, oh, okay.
ChrisThis is.
AdamThere is erotic there.
AdamIsn't it?
AdamWell, I mean that.
AdamThat would obviously be Ralph.
AdamIn the Muppets version, wouldn't it?
AdamSo it just be a picture of Ralph.
AdamOh my God, I've now suddenly just in my head a Karma Sutra of Muppets.
AdamI don't need to think about that.
LeeThankly Lee.
JenniferYour AI.
AdamDo not.
ChrisIt's got to be it's got to be Gonzo doing his thing there somewhere.
AdamNaughty.
AdamHell.
LeeSo what was your second one for this one, Chris?
ChrisOh, yes.
ChrisOh, right, so Lucy.
ChrisLucy.
ChrisSam the Eagle, deeply repressed.
ChrisAccidentally the most erotic presence in the film.
ChrisSlowly discovers vampirism is freeing, confusing, and frankly a relief.
ChrisStill insists, it's deeply improper.
JenniferFair.
JenniferI went with Beaker for this one.
JenniferBecause kind of like, you know, whatever.
JenniferJust saying.
LeeYeah.
LeeYes, Adam.
LeeYou hit the nail on the head for this one.
LeeI did go with the reporter.
ChrisOh.
Adam
Lee
LeeJust because.
LeeAgain, it it he's the main character in the majority of them, so when they do these weird spin-offs, they like to make bigger characters of some of the other.
LeeWell, yeah, so I thought putting him in a smaller role would be
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's the most forgettable character in the film potentially.
AdamYeah.
Adammy my scientific advisor has just passed me this urgent piece of paper, apparently it's Guy Smiley is the guy I'm thinking of.
ChrisOh.
Adamwho who was the journalist on Sesame Street.
AdamSo sorry, so you and you went with Kermit.
LeeThey like.
LeeYes.
AdamAnd who was your alternate, Chris?
ChrisOh, yeah.
ChrisLet's check that.
ChrisLord Harker.
ChrisIt's Miss Piggy.
AdamYou know who he is.
ChrisNo, I do I'll put up a picture of him.
ChrisI definitely remember him in the film now.
ChrisBut yeah, I think he was overshadowed by the Texan a little more.
ChrisBut Lord Arthur Holmwood, Miss Piggy.
ChrisEntitled aristocrat with big emotions and bigger entrances.
ChrisFurious that Lucy does not belong to her, challenges Dracula to duels, ballroom dances and eventually a reality TV style confrontation.
JenniferFair.
JenniferOh, so like Miss Piggy.
AdamLove it.
AdamRight.
AdamSo, next up, we have Dr. Jack Seward.
AdamWho, runs the mental asylum where Renfield is is resident and is obviously adjacent to Carfax Abbey.
AdamI, at this point, I have dug out someone who's already been mentioned a couple of times on here.
AdamAnd you'll probably see my working when we get onto a later character.
AdamThis is who I decided should have been Beaker.
AdamJust because I just love the idea, particularly, of everyone having to translate for him.
LeeYeah.
AdamDuring certain points.
AdamThere was a part of me that thought maybe maybe Bunsen and Beaker, the head of heads of the asylum, or like Bunsen make him Dr. Seward and then Beaker would be one of the guys with truncheons who knocks Tom Waits about.
Adambut I thought Beaker, I thought Beaker.
ChrisI love their helmets.
ChrisAs well.
AdamJack Seward, I thought Beaker.
AdamSo I've gone with Beaker.
AdamSo Chris, who did you go with?
ChrisI went with Fozzie Bear for this, kind, capable, quietly breaking under pressure.
ChrisHis jokes falter as the horror deepens, which somehow makes it sadder rather than silly.
AdamOh.
AdamOh.
AdamLady Jennifer.
Jenniferso I went with.
JenniferBunsen, because I thought.
Adamokay.
JenniferYeah, why not? Seems right.
LeeSo I went with Gonzo for this one.
LeeBecause I thought he would add gravitas to this
Leeto this character, which I mean, I'm not sure it needs it, but.
AdamI I have to say, he rocks that suit.
LeeHe does.
LeeYeah.
LeeVery.
LeeSharp as fuck, isn't he?
JenniferI don't think that's AI, that's real.
AdamI.
AdamWearing that suit.
AdamFantastic.
ChrisNow, I did quite like their interactions Seward and Renfield in this.
ChrisNo, I.
ChrisI did watch, we did watch A Dracula, we've watched Nosferatu, you know.
ChrisSo I'm starting to get a feel for these characters, yeah, and in this, it was like, okay, you know, they've got a sort of a connection that I didn't realize they had to begin with.
AdamI think also they, well, because he because he runs the asylum, so he's the one who's basically the gateway to Renfield.
Adamand also, I have come to the conclusion, not only the fact that I am a fat old git and quite short.
AdamThat I will I will have to do the thing that every goth has to do and go.
AdamI will never play Dracula.
AdamI've come to accept that now.
AdamMuch in the same as I've had to come to accept I'll never play Sherlock Holmes.
AdamBut but fuck me, Renfield.
ChrisI don't know.
ChrisWe're assuming like this Gonzo.
ChrisI reckon you're in there.
AdamWell, that's the thing, are no, Renfield.
AdamI reckon I can do that.
AdamAnd I also now go that Dracula films live or die on their Renfield.
ChrisYes, yes.
AdamAnd if despite a great deal of miscasting in this, Tom Waits is fucking great.
LeeHe is.
LeeHe is fantastic.
LeeThe only person in the right role.
AdamAnd and interestingly enough, the only American doing a convincing fucking English accent.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo it's like, oh, well, these are the proper trained actors and there here's the musician who's come in.
AdamIt's like his side job.
AdamAnd yeah, he's just blown you out of the fucking water.
AdamGuys, come on.
ChrisI mean, I I think I I'm I'm I quite like Gary Oldman.
ChrisBut possibly he could play any role ever at any time, so maybe that's.
AdamHave you ever seen that thing online where it's like you you were do you ever get that for there was a thing that someone wrote online.
AdamIt was, do you ever get that feeling where you'll be just doing something in the middle of the day and then suddenly you'll hear cut and you turn around and there's the director and it turns out you were being played by Gary Oldman the whole time.
LeeThat's how good an actor he is.
ChrisYes.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd I wish I could.
ChrisI'll report to that.
Adamthat that just got me that did.
AdamIt really did.
AdamSo.
Adamdo you have an alternate on Mr. Dr. Seward?
ChrisSeward.
ChrisYeah, I went for Beaker on this.
ChrisRuns the asylum alone, no one knows how.
ChrisScreams constantly while making accurate diagnoses.
ChrisIs always right, but tragically ever listened to.
AdamExactly.
AdamThat was that was what I was thinking with Beaker in charge, you know.
AdamIs that he would be, you know, it'd just be like, well, that's one of the greatest scientific.
AdamYou know, just people are just like, well, that was very profound.
AdamYou know, sort of like.
ChrisNo one knows.
ChrisWhat are you talking about?
AdamRight, so.
AdamNext up is.
AdamThe big Texan.
AdamQuincy P. Morris.
AdamThe P stands for penis.
AdamAnd that was who I decided.
AdamI decided that's where I was putting Fozzie.
AdamBecause I just thought Fozzie's got the big P energy.
AdamHe'd just be there, he'd be sort of romancing.
Adamadmittedly.
AdamRizzo in drag, Claire is actually laughing over in the corner after that.
LeeYeah.
AdamThat is literally the most basic thing I've ever done.
ChrisThat's got legs.
AdamSo, but yeah, so I went with Fozzie because I just I could just see him in a Stetson with his Bowie knife hanging out.
AdamAnd giving it large.
AdamSo Chris, who do you have?
AdamFor Quincy P. Morris.
ChrisFor Quincy.
ChrisI had Animal.
ChrisAll instinct.
ChrisAll loyalty.
ChrisNo hesitation.
ChrisHe barrels towards danger without overthinking.
ChrisChaos, but purposeful chaos.
AdamOoh.
AdamNo, nice.
AdamI like.
JenniferFair.
AdamLady Jennifer.
JenniferYes, well, I snap with you.
JenniferI felt Fozzie would have been just right in this role.
JenniferSo, you know.
LeeYay.
JenniferThere we go.
AdamNice.
LeeWhat about Lee?
LeeSo I personally have gone for Cookie Monster.
Leeyeah, again, just because he's large.
LeeHe's like.
LeeYeah.
ChrisHe suits the.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisDressed like that.
LeeIt works, it works.
JenniferThat suits.
JenniferThat's good.
ChrisA cookie and a double barrel shotgun.
ChrisWhat more do you need?
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd did you have an alternate for Quincy?
ChrisQuincy.
ChrisSwedish Chef.
ChrisSpeaks exclusively in violent culinary metaphors.
ChrisTries to kill Dracula using improvised cookware.
ChrisAccidentally seduces half the cast.
ChrisHeroic death involves a flambé.
AdamYeah.
JenniferGarlic, surely garlic for the chef.
JenniferNice.
AdamRight.
AdamWell, moving on to Renfield.
AdamNow, as I say, any Dracula film lives or dies on the basis of its Renfield.
Chrisused quite a lot now.
AdamAnd so I had to do my favorite Muppet, so I had to give this to Gonzo, there was also the possibility that Rizzo would be in the cell with him, so we can recreate that lovely double act from Muppets Christmas Carol, but yes, I I I thought I it just seemed an obvious one that Renfield would be Renfield Gonzo would be Renfield in all his fucking mental glory.
AdamSo Chris, who did you have for Renfield?
ChrisAs you predicted, I went with Rizzo the Rat, perfectly scaled madness.
ChrisScrappy devotion, hunger, twitching fear.
ChrisHe believes, he knows, he is the warning everyone wants to avoid.
LeeThat's good.
AdamI think that would have been.
AdamThe other thing I was thinking as well because obviously Renfield's eating increasingly large animals.
ChrisA kitten, I want a kitten.
ChrisHow about a cat?
LeeYes.
ChrisA large cat.
ChrisI did not know.
ChrisThis film had any humor.
AdamLady Jennifer.
JenniferYes, well.
JenniferI went for Animal.
JenniferCause surely he's a crazy one, surely.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah, he spends a lot of a lot of his time.
AdamA lot of his time in chains.
AdamSo.
JenniferSo, I thought it was ready.
JenniferHe's got the outfit.
AdamHe's got the straight jacket.
Adamaka the cover coat.
LeeI also went for Animal.
ChrisOh, there we go, two for Animal.
AdamTwo for joy.
AdamTwo for a girl, one for a boy.
LeeAnd let's see Animal in his.
AdamOh, yes.
AdamOh, that's.
LeeIt's nice. It works.
AdamThat's rather Muppet.
AdamWe will definitely we'll definitely get these up on we'll we'll definitely get these up on the Insta so that people can enjoy.
ChrisHe's eating some good things there.
AdamSpectacular looking Muppets there.
JenniferOh.
Adam
ChrisMy alternate was Kermit for this one.
AdamOh, yes.
ChrisOh yeah.
ChrisSoft spoken.
ChrisPolite.
ChrisEmotionally articulate.
ChrisGenuinely believes Dracula understands him.
ChrisDelivers devastating monologues about devotion, boundaries, and disappointment.
ChrisWhile being completely ignored.
JenniferFair, fair.
AdamI can see Kermit sort of like.
AdamI love the idea that the calmest, most sensible Muppet is the one who's locked up because frankly, yeah, this film is quite, you know, the whole thing is fucking mental.
ChrisIt's pretty backwards.
AdamRight, so.
AdamNext up is the last of the sort of big cast, so it is Professor Abraham Van Helsing.
AdamI went with Bunsen.
AdamBecause I was linking it up that if Beaker was my Dr. Seward and he calls in his scientific mentor and etcetera.
AdamAnd I also just thought Bunsen's got the right sort of Van Helsing E air to him.
AdamYou know, he's sort of just a wise calm figure.
AdamAnd frankly.
AdamPlays it a lot better than Anthony Hopkins.
AdamBut that's that's the thing.
AdamYeah, that's that's the story.
AdamSo.
AdamSo Chris, who did you have for Van Helsing?
ChrisI'm joining you with the Bunsen on this one.
ChrisBrilliant.
ChrisUnshakable confidence.
ChrisWildly experimental.
ChrisHis seriousness never wavers, even when the methods are questionable, that contrast keeps the tone buoyant without breaking it.
AdamLovely.
LeeNice.
AdamStuff.
LeeDo we have any others?
JenniferWell, I saved the you know, ace as it were up my sleeve for Gonzo.
AdamYeah, I can see it.
JenniferDidn't go too excited with him earlier, waited.
JenniferSo just the right choice.
AdamAnd what about what about you, Mr. Lee?
LeeSo I have a pair of Van Helsings.
LeeI've gone for Statler and Waldorf.
AdamOh man, that looks fucking amazing.
LeeYes.
AdamDon't convince me that AI is good.
LeeThat's work.
ChrisThat's good.
AdamYeah.
AdamBecause I I want to watch that film, particularly as that is the most Christopher Lee.
LeeI've ever seen a Muppet look.
LeeWell, this is what I'm doing, so I add a picture of Peter Cushing in the outfit and a picture of the two of them.
LeeAnd I put the two pictures in and just said.
LeeStatler and Waldorf as Van Helsing and this is what it came out with.
LeeAnd no exaggeration, I probably asked for about 45 seconds non-stop and annoying volume just by that image, it just made me absolutely.
JenniferOh, it's good.
LeeIt's the anticipation.
LeeBecause you put it in and you have to wait like a minute, maybe two minutes for it to generate.
LeeAnd then when it suddenly pops up, it just fucking nails you out of nowhere, it's so good.
AdamBut yes.
AdamOh, well, that's.
AdamThat's bloody marvelous.
LeeWell.
LeeI just thought.
LeeThey'll be arguing, which I thought would add to the.
AdamNo, it's not you're not going to kill the vampire.
LeeWell, the one isn't it then.
JenniferNice.
AdamSo, we have so that is our main cast gone through.
AdamNow, we also have a couple of sort of wild cards but also mopping up of sort of if you've if you felt that you'd got.
Adamthere's Muppets that are always going to be in there but they're always going to be minor roles and so on.
AdamSo, first of all, we've got Dracula's three brides.
AdamNow, bearing in mind, whoever this is will be pleasured, aka noshed off by these by these three brides at a certain point.
AdamAnd I went with Animal, Sweetums, you know, the giant full-bodied Muppet.
AdamAnd the Swedish Chef.
AdamMostly because of the bit where Dracula is talking to the brides.
AdamNow.
AdamAlso, that's my last that's this is genuinely my last bit of Bram Stoker's Dracula thing, he definitely says salad tits in that bit.
LeeI mean.
LeeIf I must watch that that scene again.
LeeI will do it.
AdamOh dear, yeah.
AdamOh, that.
LeeIf I really.
AdamWhat a what a erroneous task for you there, Chris.
AdamI'm so sorry.
Adamso yeah, so I've got yes, so Sweetums, Animal and the Swedish Chef.
Adamdo we have any others for the for the brides?
AdamChris?
ChrisI did the Electric Mayhem.
ChrisEthereal, seductive.
ChrisUnsettling.
ChrisSlow music drifting through corridors.
ChrisGlamour edged with menace.
ChrisThey feel like temptation given form.
AdamOoh.
AdamNice.
AdamSee, I thought I.
AdamI also thought and this is one that obviously we're not sort of necessarily casting.
AdamBut I did think that it'd be good that when Jonathan Harker is picked up by the monastery.
AdamThat it was actually just a cult run by Dr. Teeth and it was the Electric Mayhem who rescued him.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
AdamBut that was.
LeeNo, it wasn't.
AdamThat was just a thing in my head.
AdamSo.
JenniferSo, Lady Jennifer.
JenniferDo you have brides?
JenniferWell, I mixed this up a little bit.
JenniferSo, yeah, I mean we've still got the picture up, imagine these two, but slightly sexier.
LeeStatler and Waldorf.
JenniferYeah, and I Big Bird in.
LeeYes.
JenniferIt's a bit wrinkly.
AdamAnd who?
JenniferOpportunities, you know, some people like everyone.
LeeSome people like a big bird.
JenniferExactly, that's what I'm saying.
AdamI I nearly put Big Bird in actually.
AdamBut then that's.
LeeI see.
AdamBut then that then followed because I just wanted to initially I just wanted to find the biggest ones, so I had Sweetums and then I was like, oh, Big Bird and then I went Mr. Snuffleupagus.
AdamAnd now you've got the image of Mr. Snuffleupagus Snuffleupagus thing around the crotch of Keanu Reeves.
AdamOr whoever is playing Keanu Reeves, like the Cookie Monster being pleasured by Mr. Snuffleupagus.
Christhis this all makes more sense when you actually see that they're sort of deformed and you know, they're a bit they're a bit odd.
ChrisNot what you not what you initially think they are.
JenniferThis is what I was thinking, you see.
AdamWhereas I I.
AdamJust went blately.
AdamWhere it was just like, yeah, that's who are the three most horrendous people to be coming on to you.
LeeI say it's the size as well.
LeeThat's the thing, isn't it?
LeeLike if you go for the big one, like it's just menacing, there's something about three huge people just coming at you at once like this.
LeeYou're not going to escape from the room, they're going to block everywhere you can, oh, yeah.
LeeSo I I'd say.
LeeI've got to admit.
LeeI had the same, so I had the rats who worked in Scrooge's Yeah.
LeeOh, that's perfect.
AdamI'm I'm I'm going to I'm going to sort of pull rank there, I reckon crew of the Demeter is all the rats.
AdamAnd Sam the Eagle is the captain just because he's got the right level of pomposity to try and deal with this situation while all the rats probably quite literally leaving a sinking ship.
LeeOh, that's.
JenniferYes, as well, they would all leave, wouldn't they at the right point.
AdamYes.
AdamNo, that would be quite clever.
AdamWell, I think that that is I've.
AdamI've thoroughly enjoyed going through this list.
AdamAnd everything else like that.
AdamDo we want to try and get?
ChrisI I actually think this would make a decent film.
ChrisNow, the more I was going through it.
ChrisThe more I was like, yeah, I could actually.
AdamIt doesn't have to be.
AdamDracula, the Muppet's Dracula, I think.
ChrisWouldn't be really good.
AdamI think we'd have to.
AdamAbsolutely.
JenniferDisney.
LeeWell, I I tell you what I do think, as we haven't actually picked what we're going to be covering next as our next episode.
LeeIt's going to be Christmas, we're going to be busy for the next fortnight.
LeeAs you've both watched Bram Stoker's Dracula again, and Jennifer is always keen to be, we cover it as our next episode the actual movie.
AdamNo, yeah.
LeeAnd that way.
AdamYeah.
AdamI'll be too.
ChrisI absolutely would like to.
ChrisYeah, it is way better than I imagined.
ChrisI, you know, you think it's very good, but.
AdamIt also.
AdamLooks like.
LeeI can.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah, I think I lost.
LeeI think I fell out of love with it for a long time.
LeeAgain, like one of those ones.
AdamWas was that?
LeeI'd seen it too much.
LeeAnd I just I'd seen it so much.
LeeThat I'd got bored of it.
LeeSo when everyone kept raving about it, I was like, oh, it's not that good.
LeeYou need to, you know, get your balls a target.
LeeLike it's all right, but it's not.
LeeWhat are they serious?
LeeYeah, and then if you don't watch it for a while and you watch it again, you go, yeah, no, this really is.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisI think that's.
LeeYeah.
AdamI think that's exactly what happened on the episode because I think I was prepared that it was like, oh no, I don't like the lost boys and everything.
AdamThen I watched it.
AdamIt was like actually it's bloody fucking good.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisIt's it's funny, it's got some proper horror elements.
ChrisBut but I I even I even again, against against some people's wishes, I even showed it to Toby and he was like, it wasn't it wasn't that scary.
ChrisAnd there was actually, I tell you I tell you what, no but there is a lot more graphic scenes than I remembered.
ChrisI was like, oh yeah, his face is melting at that point, okay, that's stereo.
ChrisI'm just I just watched.
ChrisWhat was it?
Chriswhat's the melting guy?
ChrisRobocop.
ChrisAnd I was like, he probably does melt.
ChrisAnd and that apparently was bad.
AdamNo, he does.
ChrisThat was bad.
ChrisAnd I totally forgot that that was banned, but it is.
ChrisAnd I was like, actually, there's a similarity here, there's definitely some melting going on.
AdamThe melting guy in Robocop was one of the great pub quiz questions I had with Lee.
Adamonce about.
AdamNo, you know, when it's like, right, we're a bit worse for where, so obviously we need to go into business making T-shirts because that's that's the sort of conversation you have, you need a T-shirt with the only one we came up with was the guy from Robocop melting with acid casualty written under it in like.
ChrisOh, I'd probably buy that.
ChrisYeah.
AdamExactly.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
Leealso, as a sidebar, just to let everybody know, we covered nearly two years ago.
LeeWe spoke to the writers and directors of Vampire.
Adam
Leeand they were making this film and they were trying to crowd fund to get the film finished to get it completed and released.
LeeThis morning, I received my digital download of the film.
ChrisOh, cool.
LeeSo.
LeeOh, sorry.
ChrisDid we pay for it?
LeeI spoken to them, they have said they would like to come back and discuss our thoughts on the film, and they're going to do like a wind up to the streaming release.
LeeSo, they're going to keep us posted as to when it's it's it's going to be imminent, but yeah, so in the couple of weeks in the run up to that, obviously we'll watch it and we'll jump back on a call with those guys and have a discussion about how the film turned out and everything just before it's available to everybody else for streaming.
LeeSo yeah, if you did buy the pre-order, which I did.
LeeGo and check your email because it's there and waiting.
LeeAnd if not, we'll be back very shortly to discuss it just before it goes live for streaming or just after, yeah, just before it goes live for streaming.
LeeBut
AdamAnd and it's just fantastic because they were so enthusiastic and so positive and everything about and it's like, I really hope this they it felt like they were going to get it made.
LeeYeah.
AdamBut the fact it has now, I'm really, really.
LeeIt's so good.
LeeAbsolutely like the fact it's made it all the way to fruition and they're so proud of it as well.
LeeI know they were at that point when they'd they'd filmed it.
LeeBut the the finished product hadn't yet been done, but they were so excited about it.
LeeYeah, and their excitement's only ramped up since it's been finished, so it's clearly everything they dreamed it'd be.
LeeThanks ever so much for listening everybody, we hope you enjoyed this.
LeeLet us if if you disagree with our choices, or not if you disagree with our choices, don't just call us mug, but if you have a better suggestion, drop it in the post for this on our social media and stuff.
LeeDrop us an email.
Leeand go and rewatch Bram Stoker's Dracula and we'll see you in somewhere around a fortnight's time probably.
LeeOnce we're into another new year if we fucking make it.
LeeThanks so much for listening and good night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night and a Merry Christmas to everyone at home.
ChrisMerry Christmas.
JenniferMerry Christmas, everyone.
AdamGod bless this one and all.








