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Welcome To Horror Presents: “The We Have Been Watching Master Plan”. It’s one of our semi-regular rundowns of all the visuals we’ve been spaffing into our eye globes, betwixt our regularly scheduled programming. We discuss “The Devil’s Rejects” (2005); “Sinners” (2025); “Dellamorte Dellamore” (aka “Cemetery Man” 1994); “The Autopsy of Jane Doe” (2016); “The Monkey” (2025); BFI Southbank’s screening of Sophie Sleigh-Johnson’s “Code Damp: Experimenta Mixtape” and some honourable mentions. There should be no need to prep for this ep, but listeners beware, as here be (possible) spoilers and (definite) swearing. Join us!
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Lee Good evening and welcome to horror.
Lee I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Lee And we are here this evening for a roundup of what we've been watching.
Lee There will potentially be be spoilers, there will probably be swearing.
Lee I think that's everything we need to warn about.
Lee Before we get into what we've been watching, Adam, would you like to tell people about what happened this weekend, our little excursion?
Adam What do you mean when we got arrested? Oh no, sorry, the other.
Adam Yes, we, yeah, we want to thank everyone who joined us, we had an invite only screening at Romford's Lumiere cinema.
Adam We supported them, they had a crowd funder and one of the tiers that you could go for was.
Adam being able to have a private screening, so we went for that.
Adam but mostly to support premier because we like the cinema and it, you know, it's a great place to go.
Adam sorry, Lumiere.
Adam Did I say Lumiere first?
Lee You did.
Chris I was like, oh, he's got it, he got it right that time, that was good.
Adam I got it right first time, that's better.
Adam Get it right, don't get it right second time.
Adam That's that's the rules of bomb disposal, isn't it?
Adam But, yes, obviously, yeah, the Lumiere cinema.
Adam We sort of thoroughly recommend it to everyone.
Adam It's a great little place independent cinema.
Adam And we had a screening there for various guests, thanks to everyone who could come, thanks to everyone who we invited who wasn't able to make it.
Adam But, you know, we understand because it's not the easiest thing to get to Romford from various points around the country and so on and so forth.
Chris Quite easy for mine and yet somehow I still didn't manage it.
Adam there you go.
Adam So, you know, if if Chris can't be us to show up, we're not going to have a.
Adam And yeah, and we showed Peach's Christ's film all about evil, which we did in 2023.
Adam It's episode 151, I believe.
Chris Bonus points to Adam.
Adam It was only because I looked it up before I was posting about it.
Adam But, yeah, and we had a great time.
Adam And thanks to Lumiere for like the whole team there because it was just brilliant.
Lee Yeah, and it was really well organized and put together.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And apparently we our guests drank a fair bit, so that's that support.
Adam That's there you go, there's there's a lovely way of supporting a local cinema.
Lee which is a.
Adam at the car.
Lee Yeah.
Chris So so we might do it again.
Lee potentially, I say we were chatting to people afterwards because everyone hung out afterwards which was nice.
Lee Yeah, and a couple of people said, oh, you should do it again and maybe, you know, do like watch the film and then stick some recording equipment on and do a quick 30 minutes podcast there and then in the cinema.
Lee Which I thought wasn't a bad idea.
Lee So, something we might look into in future, if we can get enough people together to cover the cost between us and what not.
Lee I think that could be a yeah, could be a good venture, could be a bit of fun.
Lee And yeah, so that's something we'll be looking into in the future.
Chris You're only allowed to do that if you let me at the dungeon that day.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You were given full dungeon access.
Adam Don't don't play up in front of the listener.
Adam You were you were.
Chris They know it's true.
Chris They they can read the subtext.
Adam You had a hall pass.
Adam And you were allowed your one family moment of the year.
Adam The rest of the time you stay in that dungeon, you watch those films.
Adam Young man.
Chris Well behaved.
Lee And on that note, what have you been watching, Chris?
Lee Would you like to kick us off?
Chris Oh yeah.
Chris Well, I will start off by saying, I've had a fun, borderline traumatic day.
Chris Really, and in the choice of film that I made.
Chris So I'll start by telling you what really happened.
Chris I had our our friends from the colder end of the chessboard decided to visit one of my websites.
Chris and scam me for 300 pounds through a Google service that I it turns out I should have looked down a little more than I did.
Chris not realizing that it was possible to find out the API key.
Chris Now, you know, it's not the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
Chris But Google said they might be able to do a billing readjustment.
Chris Which that sounds like it could be a refund, but you know, we'll find out once I fill in all of the details.
Lee Well, that's not fun.
Chris But well, yeah, you know.
Chris Bad things happen.
Chris Now, so that was a bit traumatic, so I spent the day trying to sort that out.
Chris Luckily, I think I've stopped it, so no more will happen.
Chris But anyway, that'll teach you to read the, you know, the documentation that's long.
Chris But anyway, yeah.
Chris Then I decided to watch the Devil's Rejects today.
Chris Now, I'm just going to look at your your face.
Chris Okay, right.
Chris Now, as I was watching it, I was like, is this the one that Lee hates?
Chris And as some of the scenes came up, I was like, I might hate this.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Because.
Chris Right, now.
Chris You know, I got I got there's tons of films I could choose to watch.
Chris But I went it onto Shutter and it came up featured.
Chris I was like, oh, yeah.
Chris I mean, the first one was great.
Chris I'm just going to do it.
Chris I'm going to click play.
Chris That's it.
Chris I'm I'm in.
Chris And it starts off and it is it's fun.
Chris And I'm like, oh yeah, I remember these characters.
Chris Great, like this is going to be an entertaining couple of hours.
Chris And then they have the Star Wars discussion scene.
Chris I'm like, this is definitely, I'm well into this.
Chris You know, not for the completely obvious reason that she might do a a Princess Leia scene.
Chris But the fact that they're just chatting like that, you know, yeah, all right, this is going to be it's going to be lots of action, some gore, I did not quite expect the full on, you know, traumatic relentless descent from all angles.
Chris Where it turns out you really don't know whose side you're on.
Chris They're all sometimes got a little bit of good, but everyone's got a lot of bad in them.
Chris And you know, it essentially does turn out that we we did all evolve from filthy monkey men.
Adam it is a it is a very moral free zone.
Chris Yeah, that's that's a nice mile.
Adam You don't really have a you don't really have a protagonist.
Chris No.
Adam You know, and yeah.
Lee Yeah, no.
Lee Well remembered, Chris, it's a yeah, it's one of those.
Lee I love the first one, now the first one is just.
Chris Yeah.
Lee people being horrible to one another, I do get that, but it's it's in such a an over the top and exaggerated.
Chris Yeah.
Lee sort of cartoony way.
Lee But yeah, the second one isn't, it's a lot more.
Chris Real.
Lee sort of real and gritty, yeah, and I I did not like that.
Chris And and it it pushed some boundaries further than I.
Chris think I would like them to be pushed as much as I you know, in my mind I think, yeah, I could probably handle watching anything.
Chris But you know, maybe that was like 20 years ago.
Chris Now.
Chris Is is this really what I want to be watching?
Chris But you could probably edit a few of them and be left with.
Lee a good film.
Chris Yeah.
Chris No, I'm assuming that that was Rob Zombie's aim was to push those boundaries.
Chris But yeah, it's like I haven't watched.
Chris Hostel.
Chris we've talked about saw a few times, getting like like the premise of it.
Chris But.
Chris I haven't done the first film, don't need to watch it again when it's when it does feel like it's gratuitous.
Adam
Chris now it it.
Chris Now you've both mentioned the word exploitation.
Chris several times when we've watched films.
Chris Now I haven't fully grasped that term yet, so I thought it was worth you reminding me of what that is meant to be.
Adam well, essentially it's question I suppose it's questionable taste.
Chris Okay.
Adam In terms of observing a subject.
Adam So it's as as a very sort of bog basic example, I suppose, you know, there's a lot of films that are exploitative of mental illness.
Chris Yeah, okay.
Adam you know, but that is that is the reason that they're the killer is.
Adam Do you know what I mean is it's.
Adam So but exploitation can go across anything, I mean, typically in like, you know, in its early sort of stages it would be nudity, drug use.
Adam Anything that's.
Chris Okay.
Adam shocking.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And and a lot of the time there was kind of like this weird thing where it was almost like educational, I suppose is the best way of putting it, like there would be like a it would be like, oh, this is a film about, you know, they're claiming a moral high ground of.
Chris Yeah.
Adam This is a film about how drugs can fuck you up and it's like, or it's a very good excuse to have lots of women walking around top and.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Chris Okay, that definitely makes sense.
Adam Freakouts and stuff like that.
Adam So.
Chris So I it so I certainly had that on my mind while watching it.
Chris It's like, yeah, I don't it it felt like there was an element of.
Chris we're trying to take a view of humanity here.
Adam
Chris But yeah, at what point does it go over into just.
Lee I don't need to see that.
Chris just displaying this, yeah, like you're not gaining as much.
Chris So I for me the jury's out on it, but yeah, it felt a bit too much.
Chris I mean like the what was the scene where he he smacks the the boy's mom and then he gets in the car.
Chris And this is a ding.
Adam ding, yeah.
Chris Yeah, and and it's like, oh, I mean there could have been like okay and it could show you just how horrible he is.
Chris But for some reason it just felt a little bit too.
Chris Wrong.
Chris And so yeah, I don't know if that was.
Chris You know, it's always hard to know, is it my state of mind?
Chris You know, or are you are you seeing something for what it is?
Chris I suppose that's where discussion comes in.
Adam I do think it's a distinct, there's a distinct thing where I think Rob Zombie went deliberately away.
Adam From the style and sort of feel of House of a Thousand Corpses.
Chris Yeah.
Adam But it was the same characters.
Adam And there's.
Adam Because weirdly enough, you just saying that it's made me think it's almost like the inverse of how the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies went.
Chris Right.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Chris Definitely.
Adam So you have the first one which was like very realistic, very sort of brutal and real life and sort of, you know.
Adam To the point of unpleasant.
Chris Yeah.
Adam versus the fucking insane ludicrousness and camp essentially of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah, and it's funny, you could think that might not work for some reason because I think that's he drew us in with this sort of like.
Chris And it's funny you could think like.
Adam wildly cartoony and and that end point as well.
Adam where he sort of put the different ending in where it goes into the sort of fantasy of Doctor Satan and.
Adam stuff like that because you know it's all that stuff is absent from Devil's Rejects, there are deleted scenes where there's like Doctor Satan's in hospital and things.
Chris Oh yeah.
Adam But I think by that point it was like, no, I want to go more realistic with this and that it feels more like a film about serial killers than House of a Thousand Corpses does.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know.
Adam Even though it's it's as brutal, but I think it's also that thing of you have here's your for want of a better expression Scooby Doo team who are sort of like mildly annoying and.
Adam
Adam to varying degrees.
Adam It's much more sort of like, oh, here's how a lot of innocent people had a fucking shit day because they ran into these other.
Adam And, you know, it's sort of not, I'm not saying that necessarily the characters deserve what happened to them.
Adam The House of a Thousand Corpses.
Adam But it's much more on that.
Adam 80s sort of like slap not slasher film necessarily, but the thing of like, you know, a group of youngsters get dispatched and whittled down.
Lee Yeah.
Adam to one survivor, you know.
Chris Yeah.
Chris So tell me, remind me again, now you've definitely said it before, what would be Rob Zombie's film to watch next?
Chris And I'll make a note and then at some point.
Lee I mean I'd go with Lords of Salem.
Lee I love Lords of Salem.
Adam I haven't watched Lords of Salem in a long time.
Adam And I was talking to Dean about it former guest, Dean, and yeah, he said that it doesn't really stand up these days.
Chris That's interesting.
Adam Not as good as it was.
Adam But I'd be.
Adam But I don't know, I've not seen it for such a long time, so I'd be quite interested.
Adam But yeah, because I was that the next live action one he did.
Lee I believe it was, yes.
Adam Cuz there's in between there's El Super Beast, the thingy world of El Super Beast though, isn't there?
Lee Yeah.
Adam Because Rob Zombie did.
Adam an animated cartoon about a Mexican wrestler who solves monster crimes.
Chris Okay.
Adam Essentially, that's the best one I could put it.
Adam and it's very sort of Frits the Cat with lots of nude.
Adam giggling babes and stuff like that and monsters.
Adam and the devil's in there.
Adam That feels that feels kind of like the Rob like the old white zombie album sleeve.
Chris Right.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It's that sort of look to it.
Adam
Adam But yeah, probably Lords of Salem would be the next one to go.
Adam And if I remember, I mean, I, I haven't watched Devil's Rejects for a long time.
Adam I did like Devil's Rejects.
Adam But I'm also a deeply cynical man who doesn't believe there's any good in the world.
Adam So, you know.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It's just nice to have your biases reaffirmed in a way.
Adam But I much preferred Lords of Salem at the time.
Chris Okay.
Adam I think that was because it was yeah.
Adam It just sort of hit the right sort of thing.
Lee Yeah, so I watched it again about three years ago, yeah, and I I I enjoyed it as much.
Chris Okay.
Lee But.
Chris Okay.
Adam Yeah.
Adam I'll have to rewatch.
Adam I'll give it a rewatch myself because it's been a long time.
Adam And I did really used to like it.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool, Adam, what did you watch?
Adam well, I yesterday I watched oddly enough, Ted's been watching Shrek, so,
Adam There's Rupert Everett plays Prince Charming in Shrek 2.
Chris
Adam And I understand Shrek 3.
Adam We haven't got that far yet.
Adam and that made me think, oh, I haven't watched Delamorte Delamoro for a long time.
Adam So I dug that out.
Adam And, so yeah, so you got, so it's Delamorte Delamoro.
Adam sometimes called Cemetery Man.
Lee Yeah.
Adam and it's have you seen it, Lee?
Lee I've not, no.
Adam Oh, right.
Adam And it's basically it's a it's Rupert Everett the playing Francisco Delamorte who is the groundskeeper and gravedigger at the at this the cemetery in this Italian village.
Adam but after seven nights, the dead rise from the grave and he has to blow their brains out.
Adam But.
Adam It's that lovely thing of you come into it and that is already established.
Chris Yeah.
Adam So he is now bored with it, it's it's just a relentless pain in the ass job.
Chris Yeah.
Adam It's a a bit like, you know, like troll hunter or whatever like that, so he is licensed by the like by the local mayor.
Adam So.
Adam who is kind of aware of what's going on, but he gets to live there rent free.
Adam And as long as he's killing all the zombies, they're quite happy.
Chris It is definitely a job.
Adam Yeah.
Chris As a job entails everything.
Adam And so, but it's a it's a tough one to describe.
Adam So.
Adam Basically, so you've got that's the premise and then it gets sort of weirder from there.
Adam And he becomes fixated on a woman who, well, several women who are all played, by, Anna Falchi.
Adam And it's not quite sure whether it's him imposing her on people he's meeting or he's just meeting a group a lot of women who all look exactly the same.
Adam
Adam And.
Adam Yeah.
Adam he so he runs this, he runs this cemetery where the dead are coming back to life and there's fighting off zombies in the night with his, sort of Igor-like assistant who only says.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And,
Adam Yeah.
Adam The best way I can describe this is this feels like it feels like Guillermo Del Toro made it.
Adam in.
Chris Okay.
Adam that he's incredible to look at.
Adam It is like seriously.
Adam Some of the shots it's Michelle Sovi who did, the church in the sect.
Adam But this it's just so well shot.
Adam And you have all these things like so Francisco Demorti's having conversations with the Angel of Death.
Adam And so you've got like these zombie designs, but it's zombies where they've been in graves where trees have rooted into them, there's one guy who they they bury someone who's killed in a motorcycle accident with his motorcycle and he is reborn from erupting from the grave melded into the bike.
Adam as and but still with the same sort of like, just he's a fuck you attitude and everything else like that, so everyone everyone comes back not so much as the dead, but sort of annoyed versions of themselves.
Adam And, yeah, and it's,
Adam like I say.
Adam It's it's really fucking funny.
Chris
Adam And but really old.
Adam and not that it's.
Adam weirdly enough as I was watching it, and I was thinking because I'd I'd like to do it, I'd like to do it on the show, but I know that the not for everyone guys.
Adam This feels like one that's not for everyone.
Adam It's like.
Adam If you get this, you get this.
Adam Because it feels, you know, it feels kind of I don't know, sort of near sort of evil dead.
Adam But it's not quite a slapstick.
Adam and things like that, but it's that it's that vibe.
Adam And, yeah, and Rupert Everett's just fantastic as as like the main character.
Adam And.
Adam It's basically him, I mean, what there was a lot.
Adam I had to write it down, there was a line in it that I loved that was,
Adam Oh, I'd give up my life to be dead.
Adam Or something like that, I can't.
Adam I didn't write it down.
Adam Hey, what was it?
Adam Give my life.
Adam That's it, I'd give my life to be dead.
Adam So he sort of narrates the thing as he goes along in a sort of series of sort of little sort of bored asides and things like that.
Adam But it is basically, you know, he's like a bin man.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know, he's just disposing of a public health issue.
Adam Meanwhile, the rest of the town taunt him.
Adam and he's sort of, yeah, he's having this series of weirdly escalating affairs with all these women who look are all played by the same actress who all die in various ways.
Adam And it's sort of, yeah.
Adam And then he basically he has an argument with death itself, who is one of the most spectacular Grim Reaper renderings I've ever seen is in this.
Adam
Adam And basically the death says to him, well, if you're bored of this, why don't you just start shooting living people in the head, because then their brains will be destroyed before they get to your graveyard?
Chris
Adam And you're like.
Adam And, yeah.
Adam It is a wonderfully fucked up film, but and it has lovely touches of surrealism.
Adam But it's it never gets into.
Adam because I know sometimes a lot of the Italian more 70s and 80s Italian horror gets too sort of dream logic for you.
Adam a lot of the time, this doesn't have it.
Adam As I say.
Adam The one thing it has that doesn't have that because it all of it feels quite Del Toro, both the look and the sort of attitude of it.
Adam The one thing it doesn't have is a monstrous antagonist.
Chris Yeah, like.
Adam like a monstrous villain.
Adam That's probably the only thing it doesn't have.
Adam because it's the 90s, so he's as much a villain as he is a hero, it's sort of that thing.
Adam
Adam But yeah, haven't watched it in a long time.
Adam And it was just, yeah, just a really, really good film.
Adam Couple of off moments in there where you go, oh yeah, we're watching an Italian film, so there's a few sort of attitudes that you go, oh yeah, that's a bit.
Adam But,
Adam Yeah, there's nothing, you know, I think that it's really, it's definitely so worth checking out.
Adam Because it's it's one of those quirky ones where you sort of like, if you get it, you really get it.
Adam And it becomes a it becomes a favorite.
Lee Cool, yeah, I've put it on the list, I think I'm just going to check that out.
Lee Excellent.
Adam We'll have to keep it on the list, yeah.
Lee Definitely.
Lee Excellent.
Adam Adam, what was your next viewing?
Adam well, I had an excursion out to the BFI South Bank.
Chris
Adam And I watched the Code Damp Experimental Mixtape.
Adam Now, I've spoken about it on here before, I think Code Damp is Sophie Slay Johnson's book about.
Adam sort of it's like a sort of a cult look at British sitcom through Leonard Rossiter.
Adam And basically, what this was is she put together a sort of mood compilation to give you an idea of the the sort of tone of the book, as it were.
Chris Okay.
Adam And so it was all mixed in, and at the end of it, if this wasn't pretentious enough, at the end of it, Stuart Lee came out and did a Q&A with.
Adam So, you know.
Adam I was well fucking happy.
Adam And,
Adam So it's got bits of rising damp and Reginal Perron and Bottman up Pompey and mixed them in with Dennis Potter's Brimstone and Tle, the band play for the day did, a warning to to the curious.
Adam the Christmas ghost stories.
Adam a bit from the frighteners, which is an anthology series which I have seen a few episodes of Lucifer over Lancashire, which is a news report about devil worship in Lancashire.
Adam And Donald Pleasant's Huston Pills advert and if that wasn't enough for you, you also had Dr. Feelgood live at the Curzel.
Adam So that was just to give you this this whole encompassing thing of because the book is kind of like, yeah, sitcoms, esoterica and isn't Essex really muddy?
Adam So.
Adam Anyway, but yeah.
Adam very great night out.
Adam bloody great night out.
Chris Yeah.
Lee I think I'll have to watch that.
Lee That sounds great.
Lee for my final movie, again, one from this year, I watched the Stephen King movie The Monkey.
Chris Oh.
Adam that's thingy, isn't it?
Adam Oscar Perkins, isn't it?
Lee I believe it is.
Lee It is, yes, yes.
Lee
Lee Yeah, it's it's daft.
Lee It's super daft.
Adam
Lee But it's fantastic.
Lee I didn't know anything about it going in.
Lee except that people were fans of it and you know, it gone over quite well.
Lee
Lee And I know.
Chris And is it based on a book of the same name?
Lee I'm guessing it's a short story.
Adam short story, isn't it?
Lee Story, yeah.
Lee It's very the concept is there is a toy monkey.
Lee And you wind it up and it plays a drum and when it finishes, somebody dies in a horrific accident.
Lee Not necessarily in the location where the monkey is, but somebody somewhere a linked to the person who wound the thing up.
Chris I was going to say, so yeah, like, but also then why would someone wind it up?
Chris I'm assuming they don't know.
Lee Well, no, yeah.
Lee So that.
Chris This is perhaps the.
Lee It does get covered in it, yeah, so there is a long period where people expressly try to hide the monkey.
Lee But it has a way of keep getting itself found again.
Lee And then someone who has no idea.
Lee Doesn't.
Lee By the time they put two and two together, there's half a dozen people dead.
Lee but yeah, it's it's really good.
Lee It's really daft and over the top, it's got some really creative kills in it.
Lee It's it's very sort of final destination.
Lee the kills in it.
Lee
Lee But yeah.
Adam Yeah, cuz.
Adam I heard Oscar Perkins wanted to basically.
Adam it was because he'd done long legs, he was like, right, now I want to do a silly one.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Fair enough.
Lee Yeah, and it it's just as I, it was one of those, if it wasn't for the fact that somebody.
Lee had suggested it to me specifically, I would never have watched this because it just looked too daft.
Lee But actually, I'm so glad I did because it's it is daft in a kind of 80s over the top way.
Lee that I really, really enjoy it a lot more than I thought I was going to, to be fair.
Chris Yeah.
Lee So.
Lee Excellent.
Chris Cool.
Lee Good.
Lee For our next film.
Lee Adam, would you like to tell us about Happy Ending?
Adam yes, so we were approached by the director of Happy Ending and asked if we wanted to, take a look at it.
Adam So we'll be doing a certainly less spoiler.
Adam rifi, review than we do of sort of stuff that's more out there and everything, or indeed hundreds of years old.
Adam so, yeah.
Adam We'll be back for that.
Adam I believe it is streaming currently, so people should be able to see it.
Adam But obviously, we're not going to spoil anything.
Adam So that should be a review they can just come to.
Lee Excellent, fantastic.
Lee Right, thanks so much for listening everybody.
Lee Good night.
Chris Good night.
Adam Good night.


