Sightseers
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It’s time for that summer break you deserve, as we turn our attention to Lady Jennifer’s Birthday choice - Ben Wheatley’s magnificent “Sightseers”. A film which teaches you that G.B.H. stands for Great British Holiday; that dogs and knitting don’t mix; and that, at a push, faecal matter can be an interesting alternative to lipstick. The minds of writers/stars Alice Lowe and Steve Oram blend perfectly with director Ben Wheatley’s cinematic (and sometimes brutal) vision in this pitch black comedy that pulls no punches; transposing the serial killer road movie over the mundanity of a pair of British misfits on a camping holiday. A film for anyone who knows that true horror is being trapped in a caravan, having a row, in the pouring rain. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeAnd we are here this evening with a special guest, which is why my sound quality is slightly crapper than usual.
LeeI am here with Lady Jennifer.
JenniferWoo!
AdamHey!
LeeBecause it's someone's birthday choice this week.
JenniferIt's my birthday choice. Woo!
AdamHey, happy birthday!
JenniferI, it's always hard because every time it comes 'round, I've watched a lot more films and I'm running out of things.
JenniferBut I hoped when I suggested this, it wasn't one you'd done before and I was correct. So it's Sightseers, a film by Ben Wheatley, probably a little bit under-undernown perhaps. I mean, one of his earlier ones, but I feel it's got a good balance of things that I like.
LeeThere will be spoilers and swearing.
AdamIt should be better remembered. That's the best way of looking at it.
JenniferOh, definitely. Definitely, yes.
ChrisYeah.
AdamRight.
LeeYes, so I know obviously that Jennifer loves this film and therefore has chosen it.
LeeI know that Adam has seen it many times, he was there with us opening weekend at the cinema when it was released.
LeeChris?
AdamI even saw it as a preview.
LeeOh!
AdamWith with a Q&A from Ben Wheatley and Alice Lowe and Steve Oram.
LeeNice.
ChrisI was in, I was in at the, I was in at the deep end, I was.
JenniferI thought it was cool, Adam. I thought it was cool.
AdamOf course.
LeeYeah.
LeeSo obviously with the Stephen Oram and Alice Lowe starring in this, but also wrote it.
Adam
LeeYeah. And I mean, if you've got something this wrong like like wrong as in it's horrendous, but it's brilliant, he's the person to direct this every time.
LeeI think it's a perfect choice.
JenniferI just read this bit as well, I didn't know that.
LeeWhat's that, sorry?
JenniferExecutive producer Edgar Wright.
AdamYep.
ChrisOh.
JenniferWell, I mean, this film ticks all the boxes.
AdamYep.
JenniferYeah.
LeeSo, Chris, was this your first time seeing this or had you seen it before?
ChrisIt was. I've heard it mentioned many times and in ways that sounded like I should definitely be watching it very soon. However, until now it had not happened.
Jennifer
LeeSo what did you make of it on your first viewing?
ChrisWell, I have no objection to this film in theory, or in practice.
JenniferNo.
ChrisI will certainly be having a very different experience anytime I now hear the Power of Love.
JenniferYes.
ChrisOh.
JenniferOh.
ChrisOh.
JenniferOh.
ChrisOh.
AdamYes.
JenniferOr getting a caravan holiday.
ChrisAnd and I will appreciate caravan holidays in in a way never before expected.
ChrisYeah, like so I just got to the end of it about 10 minutes before we started recording.
ChrisAnd yeah, it is it is quite I didn't see where it was going.
ChrisEven up to the very end.
Adam
ChrisAnd and like how, I like how mundane and twisted.
JenniferYes.
ChrisIt's a very impressive combination.
JenniferAnd this is why I think I love it, because I think they're my sort of films, ones that are so that that juxtaposition between something and something completely different.
ChrisIt really is.
JenniferAnd that just works when it works, yeah.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd I think
LeeSorry, go on, Adam.
AdamI was I was just going to say and I think it's it's that thing like you said, Lee, where you've got Stephen Oram and Alice Lowe had created these characters.
AdamBut also, you know, there's a real there's definitely a psychological sort of truth to sort of one being a murderer, one becoming a murderer.
AdamAnd also you've got.
ChrisAnd more.
AdamAnd and you've got Ben Wheatley who just is so good at making things really horrible.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd, you know, I mean, obviously, I love we did it yonks ago for my birthday, we did Kill List, which I know is is a bit of a struggle for people.
AdamBut then I think that's because it's the same techniques but used in an absolutely terrifying manner rather than in a comedic sense.
ChrisLike yeah, there's a quirky element to this even in the worst parts that still make it.
AdamYes.
LeeYeah, it's.
JenniferIt's fine.
LeeIt's it's that thing of I watched I laugh the whole time I'm watching it, but I'm also clenching my anus because it is so awkward for the entire movie.
LeeAnd to have the.
AdamYeah.
LeeFeeling both moods at exactly the same time.
LeeIs really difficult to pull off.
LeeBut just everything lines in this, it's just I I think their timing.
LeeAs well is so so perfect.
ChrisYeah.
LeeAnd the characters are so, as you say, mundane and believable.
ChrisYeah.
LeeDo the most horrendous things.
JenniferSo that's what's so scary, isn't it?
LeeYeah.
JenniferHow many people?
ChrisIt does feel like the most realistic death scenes almost ever in any film.
JenniferYeah.
ChrisJust yeah.
ChrisThe way she runs into that guy on the bike.
AdamOh, yeah.
ChrisWhat you doing? This is this is chaotic.
ChrisThis is not.
AdamIt's that as well, where it's still over a domestic. It's still a domestic ground.
Chrisover the dead.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah, exactly.
AdamBut it's.
ChrisYeah.
AdamIt's over it's over a corpse rather than, you know, like you've put someone's ornaments in the wrong position or you've put the saucepans back wrong or something like that.
AdamBut it's still that.
JenniferYeah, that mundane sort of arguing, but yes, on something much larger.
AdamWell, this was obviously when I watched it, it was the first time Claire's ever seen it and she really loved the fact that he's cleaning it up with a bit of kitchen roll.
LeeYeah, that's what got me this time.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, and it's just like those little touches and there's sort of bits in there.
AdamLike I know it sounds really weird, but like Tina's slippers.
AdamWhere she's got like proper old lady slippers, she's got like.
ChrisYeah.
JenniferOh, that purple.
AdamJust even stuff like that, you know.
AdamAnd and the the mum's terrific as well.
AdamShe is.
ChrisEspecially when they come back to her with the phone call.
LeeYes.
AdamYes.
ChrisI wasn't I wasn't expecting.
JenniferNo.
AdamWhen you've got two brutal murderers and she still feels like the monstrous.
ChrisMost monstrous.
AdamFigure in it, you know.
JenniferThat's it.
AdamFucking ass hole.
LeeIt is it's just that great scene of her laying at the bottom of the stairs doing the emergency dial.
LeeAnd then nobody answers, she just gets up and brushes herself off and goes about her day.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd again, it's that horrific thing where you're like, oh, I do I probably do know these people.
AdamYou know, I do know people who would do that or, you know.
ChrisNot not that far away from going over that the edge.
LeeYeah.
ChrisIn the right circumstances.
Jennifer
AdamWell, they, I mean, this this started off that because Alice Lowe and Steve Oram used to do Chris and Tina as a as characters live on stage.
ChrisOkay.
AdamAnd basically they'd come out in like cagouls with with a packed lunch and sort of talk about all the castles they'd been to and various tourist attractions they'd been to.
AdamAnd then slowly it would reveal that they were murdering people, because it'd just be like, you know, like kind of, oh, that's a good lay by to to hide a body if you need to.
AdamYou know, that sort of thing, you know, after they've gone on about the Tram Museum or whatever like that, you know, so.
AdamAnd then the guy who directed the guy who directed The Mighty Boosh, Paul King, made a short film with them of this and they were sort of putting it to, excuse me, they were putting it 'round to TV companies.
AdamAnd all the TV companies were like, no, this is too dark, we can't do this.
JenniferBrilliant.
AdamAs a, you know, this isn't a series we want to do.
AdamAnd then Edgar Wright saw the short and sent it to the production company that did the the Cornetto Trilogy.
AdamI mean, which which admittedly was only Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz at this point, because this is 2012.
LeeYeah.
AdamThis this came out.
AdamAnd yeah, Big Top Productions.
AdamAnd then they sort of hooked them up with Ben Wheatley.
Jennifer
AdamAnd at this point Ben Wheatley was at the point that they sort of met, Ben Wheatley was just about to release Kill List.
AdamBut he had done another film, which I would say I definitely I definitely recommend tracking down, there's his first film is called Down Terrace.
AdamAnd it's basically the story of like a London crime family, like there's two he's basically like two generations living in the same house.
AdamAnd they're like they're like in their sort of like gangsters and they've worked out that the reason that the son and father got sent to cult was that there must be a rat in the organization.
AdamAnd it's them trying to work that out, but again it's that really sort of mundane.
AdamKitchen sink, they're just in a in a terraced house in London.
AdamAnd getting on each other's tits and arguing.
AdamAnd people are fucking rubbish and, you know, there's a bit.
AdamThere's a bit Tony Way, who's in this, who's the guy who gets killed at the Tram Museum, Dan Dan's dad, as Ben Wheatley will always forever know him.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamDan's dad.
LeeYeah.
AdamBut he at like at one point they think he's the rat. They've got him locked in but Michael Smiley turns up as a local hitman and they've got him locked in the toilet.
AdamAnd he's just going, I ain't coming out till he's going, no, he ain't here, mate.
LeeHe's not here.
AdamHe's all right. He's gone. I can fucking hear him, he's out there.
AdamI know he's out there.
AdamAnd it's just that sort of like comedically pathetic sort of thing, but still, you know, and yeah, Down Terrace, I'd definitely recommend.
AdamIt's much more unlike Kill List, which is a very sort of.
AdamI mean, I still find lots of funny bits in Kill List, but it's a very.
LeeI mean, I do too.
AdamYeah, it's but it's still a very.
ChrisOh, that is interesting.
ChrisI do not remember any funny bits in it now.
AdamI mean, it's it's mainly just the stuff where Michael Smiley's winding him up and going, well, you know, you're hoping that Jeremy Beadle's going to come out, but he's he's not going to help you, he's dead.
ChrisAnd it's.
LeeSpeaking of Michael Smiley as well with Ben Wheatley.
LeeSo we tried to squeeze a film in before this, another Ben Wheatley one that we hadn't seen and we didn't quite manage it, there's 10 minutes left, but we're watching Free Fire.
AdamOh, man, yeah.
Lee
AdamAgain.
LeeIt's it's funny because we paused it about 40 minutes in and I was like, this isn't even halfway through.
LeeWhere can it possibly go from there?
LeeAnd the answer is it doesn't really go anywhere, but it is thoroughly entertaining and edge of your seat for an hour and 30 minutes in a single room.
AdamAnd still and and again, piss funny.
LeeYeah.
AdamIt shouldn't be, because it's basically a shootout in a warehouse.
JenniferYeah, when I read the blur for it, I was like, how is this going to be a whole film, but yeah.
AdamBut it just, yeah.
AdamAnd I mean, and, you know, definitely Ben Wheatley brought because the other thing that Ben Wheatley brought to it is when they were developing it is that he was the one who said, can we.
AdamBecause originally like the characters as they were, they were a couple who'd been killing for years.
LeeRight.
AdamSo he was the one who said, well, can we make it like an origin story almost, you know, where it's like how they met and how they got together?
LeeYeah.
AdamSo that came from him.
Adamand actually Alice Lowe and Steve Oram went on a caravan holiday.
AdamAnd went to all the places that they go to in it over the course of a week.
AdamTo sort of get the experience of living in close quarters and getting on each other's tits and just.
ChrisWell, and it was filmed in they were in the locations.
AdamYes.
AdamSo they go, yeah, so the places they go to because they go to like Mother Shipton's Cave and Blue John Cavern.
ChrisI've been to Blue John Cavern.
AdamHave you?
ChrisThat's the only that's the only one, yeah.
AdamOh, right, quite quite nice, quite nice to see that.
JenniferWe were last we didn't go into the pencil museum.
LeeYes.
Chris
LeeIt's fine when I could buy one of them giant.
LeeAnd again, it's her writing the letter with that giant pencil, it's just
LeeIt gets me every time.
AdamI don't want to break your heart, Lee, because it broke Claire's.
JenniferOh, the dad?
AdamThey don't make they don't that giant pencil was something they made for the film.
LeeThey don't.
LeeThe big scrible, oh, no.
JenniferYou can get on eBay, Lee, you'll find it.
AdamThe the only reason I know that is because like I say, I went to the Q&A and they were talking about it.
AdamAnd apparently they were like, the thing that impressed Ben Wheatley the most was that they'd used a baked bean can as the pencil eraser metal bit.
LeeOh.
AdamHe's just like, that's the he was like, that's the genius of our props people.
AdamYou know what I mean?
AdamThey'd looked at that and just gone, that is exactly right, if we spray this gold, you know, it's exactly right as a pencil giant pencil like a razor holder.
AdamBut I think that's another thing as well that they were saying about with it is that they were kind of they it was important that they didn't they don't take the piss out of the places.
Jennifer
Adam
Jennifer
AdamDo you know what I mean?
AdamThey go to these places, but they're not it's not oh, look, isn't it funny that you go to the Tram Museum or you go to.
JenniferThey they're serious, they're just doing it because they want to do it and yeah.
LeeAnd I was on his side for that first murder.
LeeWhen the bloke dropped the Cornetto wrapper and then he ran him over with a caravan, I was like, yeah, he had that coming.
Lee100%.
JenniferThey've done that, don't they? So you almost are on their side.
ChrisBut was.
ChrisWas that one accidental though?
LeeNo.
JenniferNo.
ChrisBecause it wasn't. See, I wasn't sure.
AdamWhen he says to him about it, he gives him an out, he says, sorry, I'm defending a murderer, but he gives him an out, he says, sorry, mate, you've dropped your wrapper.
AdamHe ignores him.
AdamHe says it again.
AdamAnd then he gives him the finger and quite.
AdamNot necessarily rightly, he then gets run over by a.
ChrisHe reversed.
ChrisI just wondered, did he actually not, was he not able to see him there?
ChrisAnd then but then you see the look on his face over Tina's shoulder and it's like he's clearly very happy it's happened.
ChrisBut I just I wasn't sure if that one was definitely he knew he was doing it.
ChrisI didn't rewind it to check.
JenniferAnd I guess that's the point of the start, you are just like, oh, that was a terrible accident. Yeah.
ChrisYeah.
JenniferThat you kind of go, oh, hang on a minute.
JenniferHe seems to be good at this.
AdamAnd and that's that's clearly the thing.
AdamHe's obviously been doing it for some time, but he's.
ChrisWell, he says, he says, I've done more murders in three days than I have in the six months I've been with them.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd it's but it's clear that that's part of the argument is because he's like careful.
ChrisYeah, exactly.
AdamWhereas Tina isn't Tina's enthusiastic.
LeeYes.
AdamAnd that's the thing as well.
ChrisShe's not qualified.
AdamOh, yeah, that you're sacked.
LeeYou know.
AdamBut it's but it's also that thing that and again, it's it's quite, you know, I mean, I remember like the first time I saw it, I just found I found Tina heartbreaking.
AdamBecause there's the element that she's it's.
AdamKind of that thing of you meet someone.
AdamSo you want to share in all their interests.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd his interest is murder.
ChrisHappens.
AdamAnd so she sort of like stumbling through and trying to do it, but not quite getting it right.
AdamAnd actually it's like a bit awkward.
AdamThat it's like, no, you're not doing it right.
AdamYou know what I mean?
AdamIt's like she's, I don't know, it's like someone's like trying to chip in on, you know, something that you know a lot about or whatever.
AdamAnd they've sort of like they're sort of like trying to find their way in and sort of.
AdamNo, we can share this.
AdamThis can be our thing.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah, it is there is something very sweet about it at the beginning.
ChrisOh, yeah.
LeeYeah, yeah.
LeeAnd that's why it comes so far out of left field and I'm guessing that's possibly why it's.
LeeWhy it's it hasn't found the audience that it should have done because it is tonally very like if you didn't know them and you didn't know Ben Wheatley.
LeeThis wouldn't jump out at you at all.
JenniferYeah, you took it too serious, you wouldn't get the jokes perhaps.
LeeWell, until you get.
LeeFar enough into it, but yeah.
Leeand again, the fact they don't give too much away in the the cover art and stuff as well.
LeeI guess maybe if you weren't aware of them and like us and were hunting it out specifically their material.
LeeYeah, it isn't something that jump off of the DVD shelf.
ChrisYeah.
LeeBut yeah.
AdamBecause that was the thing is I think I I was aware of it mostly through Alice Lowe.
AdamAnd then it was like, oh, and Ben Wheatley's doing it.
AdamWell, I like Kill List.
AdamAnd at that point I was sort of discovering Ben Wheatley.
AdamSo it was like, oh, that's, you know, definitely I'll have to sort of check that out.
AdamAnd then it was, yeah, as it went on.
AdamBecause.
AdamI'll have to I'll have to I'll have to put it on the I'll have to put it on the Instagram or something.
Adamwhen I did go to the the screening, they're giving out little.
LeeWe got little.
JenniferOh.
LeeWhat do you call it?
LeeGunk.
Jennifer
AdamA little sightseer sort of gunk fluffy thing, you know, those things that you get at like the stuff that she's gradually collecting on the dashboard.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWhich and obviously the first one is the one that Tony Way's holding when he gets run over right at the start.
AdamAnd she's obviously had that, so there's already that sort of inkling there.
LeeYes.
AdamYes.
JenniferAnd then they're taking from their murders and keeping them.
LeeThat's exactly it.
LeeThe first time I've seen a gunk in probably 20 years.
LeeYeah, so I love that they've brought that back because it is a caravanning horror holiday type nonsense that you'd pick up somewhere for someone.
JenniferPencil museum.
AdamYeah, it's that sort of tourist sort of, you know, you don't it's either that it's either that I mean fridge magnets are much much more of a thing now, I think.
JenniferThey clas They're not quite that. No.
AdamBut, I mean, I remember everyone always used to get me keyrings because I used to collect keyrings when I was a kid because I was such a fucking exciting, vibrantly fucking roguish, you know, devil-may-care chap.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamTits.
AdamSo, you know, so I had key keyrings from sort of all over the place because people had sort of like if they went or if I went anywhere, I was, oh, I will take a keyring.
AdamIf they like a keyring, man.
AdamYou know, so like I say, because I was like a pussy magnet when I was 12.
AdamSo.
JenniferSo is that what you thought keyrings would do?
JenniferThey would just bring all the women to the yard.
AdamThey bring my keyrings brought all the girls to the yard to mock and decide to never go out with me.
AdamThat's what it did.
AdamWhich admittedly, Kelleis then turned into a much more interesting song.
AdamSo, you know, it's a cover that I I respect and, you know, I'm still enjoying the royalties from it, so.
AdamIt's yeah.
JenniferSo Chris, what was your best moment of the film and kind of least favorite moment of the film?
ChrisOh, that's a good question.
ChrisWell, there are some that I now understand the references of, such as that's not my.
LeeRegularly saying that's not my vagina.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah, no, no.
ChrisThat makes a lot of sense.
JenniferYeah.
ChrisAnd and like it's so funny and he's just taking his camera and he's just like, I'm just carry on.
JenniferStolen.
ChrisTaking photos and using it.
ChrisAnd then she just she's looking through it and he's like, he's just letting her, but you know.
AdamBut that's that's so and and that's one of those things that's like.
AdamCreepily right for like with sort of someone like that character like not you, Chris, but Chris in Sightseers is the fact that it then he sort of adopts from all these people that he's meeting.
AdamSo it's like he's taken his camera and suddenly he's a photographer.
ChrisYeah.
AdamOr or the bit where the guy takes him home drunk and he says, oh, good luck with the lay lines, because he and who he killed said he was doing a book about lay lines.
LeeYes.
AdamSo that's obviously where he's now that it's like, oh, that's what I do now.
AdamYeah, I'm doing that.
ChrisAnd then, of course, plastics.
ChrisAlthough he was, was he, did he know anything about plastics, or was he pretending that as well?
AdamNot sure, but he obviously built himself up that he could be a businessman.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisOh, all of a sudden it's like, yeah, it's going international.
LeeYeah.
JenniferYeah, weird.
JenniferSo was that your favorite moment, the camera?
ChrisWell, well, because because I'd heard it referenced so many times, it's like, oh, there we go, it's satisfying to to see it explained.
Chrisand then and then I you I think you said what was one of my worst moments.
ChrisI wasn't on board with allowing the dog poo.
ChrisSo I was a bit like, they're the bad ones.
ChrisI mean, they're they are the bad ones, right?
ChrisBut I was like, yeah, I sort of agree with this guy.
ChrisSaying you should pick it up, not, I don't know if he did.
ChrisActually, so you should use your hands, she was certainly starting to twist things a little bit.
ChrisAnd I was like, I sort of feel sorry for this guy, it's obviously not going to go his way.
ChrisAnd then it was quite funny, what was it, he's not a person, he's a Daily Mail reader, I'm grabbing some free perspective and, you know.
LeeYeah.
ChrisLooking back at if this was however many years ago.
ChrisI would have had to just stand by and allow him to do whatever he wanted to you.
ChrisSo now we're we're rising up thanks to democracy.
AdamYes.
AdamSo technically, you were defending my honor.
AdamYou know that thing where she starts she starts joining in the escalation where he's like, I don't touch shit, well, I can't remember, you know.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd they sort of start forming that unified front.
AdamAnd then obviously clubs him to death, which is one of the most fucking brutal.
ChrisPretty blunt.
LeeYeah.
LeeYou see that head, the head is really vicious.
AdamThat's that's very that's very Ben Wheatley.
AdamThat is.
AdamAnd it's and actually that's that again, that was one of the things because Ben Wheatley was so pleased that he got to work with John Hurt because he called him they he had to get him in especially to record the version of Jerusalem that's over that bit where it's like and do those feet.
LeeOh.
LeeYeah.
AdamThat's.
AdamBut and then, you know.
AdamAnd I think Ben Wheatley was just like, fuck it, I got to work with fucking John Hurt.
AdamThat's what I was fucking.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhich which again.
AdamWas sort of like.
AdamBut yeah, I think there's and and actually, I mean, it's.
AdamThere's not a lot of characters in it, really.
AdamThere's a lot of people who get bumped off.
AdamThere's and it's interesting.
AdamBecause there's like the guy that sort of drives him home pissed, he's nice.
AdamSo nothing happens to him.
AdamAnd again, you know, it's not like littering, oh, yeah, run a car over his head is.
ChrisYeah.
AdamThe proportionate response, you know what I mean?
AdamBut.
AdamEqually.
ChrisYeah.
AdamThere's like this.
ChrisIt's what might have gone through some people's minds on occasion.
AdamBut I mean, I think poor, Richard Glover's character, is it Martin?
ChrisMartin.
AdamSo that's.
ChrisOh, I was going to be Martin.
AdamNext.
ChrisYeah, yeah.
ChrisBecause he's nice as well.
ChrisAnd this is where the whole thing with Tina, it's like, yeah, she is different now from Chris.
ChrisShe is no longer doing it for any good reasons.
JenniferYeah, no more like, no.
JenniferShe likes him.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut that's the thing is you you do get the idea that eventually Chris will, Chris would probably tire of him, or there would be.
ChrisPossibly.
AdamOr that it would be if he in some way made Chris feel small, like if it, you know what I mean, if they were like saying it's like, well, actually, no, I don't think it should be that idea, that's probably the point Chris would have just snapped and fucking bumped him off, but he wouldn't just chugging him off.
ChrisThat that was okay.
ChrisIt was the way it was just tumbling down.
LeeYeah.
LeeI I'd forgotten it until she went outside and then I was like, oh, what's gonna happen?
ChrisYeah.
ChrisLift up the break and just.
LeeI mean, I'd completely forgotten the ending.
LeeI can I can never I've seen this film three or four times, I can never remember how it ends.
LeeYeah, and so when you saw the bridge and Jennifer said, I can't remember which stays and which goes, and I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about.
LeeThis was for me for the first time.
ChrisYeah, that's funny.
LeeSome bits really stick in my mind and that never does, which is nice, because it means every time I watch it, I go, oh, yeah.
ChrisYeah, that was a nice wrist at the end. Again, showing the difference between them at that point.
AdamAnd actually I do remember that was one one of the things that came up at the Q&A is someone said, you know, will there be a sequel?
AdamAnd Ben Wheatley went, well, how?
AdamAnd then Alice but then Alice Lowe and Steve Oram were going, no, you could still do it, he could have survived, maybe I'm bringing her up from prison like I'm paraplegic.
AdamIn a like in on life support, ring her up saying, go and kill another one.
JenniferCan you come back as a ghost and then we can.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYes.
LeeNo less ludicrous, to be fair.
LeeI mean, they could make that work.
LeeI would I mean, I would see it.
Jennifer
AdamAlso, you'll be very pleased to hear this this film won quite a few awards at festivals and stuff like that.
AdamBut, I didn't know about this.
AdamYou know the you know the Cannes Film Festival and the winner of the Cannes Film Festival gets the Palm d'Or.
AdamThere is also an award at the Cannes Film Festival, the the Palm Dog.
JenniferOkay.
AdamAnd the dogs that played Poppy and Banjo won that year.
Chris
AdamThey won the Palm Dog.
AdamAwarded for performance by a K9 or group of K9s live or animated.
Jennifer
AdamSo yes, so they did which I which I think's very good.
AdamBecause they are great.
ChrisYeah.
AdamGreat great dog acting in this.
AdamIt has to be said.
AdamI mean, everyone's really great in this, but yeah, there's some particularly great dog acting, I think.
Adam
AdamIt's also it's also weird that we've done this so close to Hot Fuzz and like Worlds End.
AdamBecause obviously Steve Oram's in there, Alice Lowe's in there but not as major a role in this.
Adamand Jonathan Harris, who plays Ian was is really blinking, you miss him, he's in The World's End.
AdamHe's like, he's the group therapist that they're like at the start where Gary's in the therapy meeting.
LeeThat's right.
AdamAnd he's like the leader of the group.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo, yeah.
AdamBut.
AdamNo, I mean, it's it's and musically because that was.
AdamI did ask a question at the Q&A.
AdamI asked about the music.
AdamBecause and basically because there was.
AdamI just really liked the fucking soundtrack.
AdamAnd there's a lot of covers in it.
AdamSo you get like two versions of Season of the Witch.
LeeI like that.
AdamYou get the original you get the original version of Tainted Love at the end and the Soft Cell version at the beginning and stuff like that.
ChrisTainted Love, yeah.
AdamAnd that was like and basically Ben Wheatley was saying that it was like a thematic thing of again, like Tina trying to take on Chris's world.
AdamSo it's like almost that thing of you start covering like each other's taste and things like that, so you've got these like you've got the same songs but totally different interpretations of them in there as well.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd there's also there's also a shedload of crowd rock in there.
AdamWhich is fucking magical.
AdamSo.
JenniferNow, what would we.
JenniferCall this film, because I put when I was watching this at the top, question, is it folk horror?
JenniferI feel like it's got elements of it.
JenniferOr is it not quite because it's not quite a sort of story, you know, like a sort of folk tale perhaps.
JenniferI don't know.
AdamI don't.
JenniferBut it's very British, I felt.
ChrisQuaint British serial killer.
JenniferYeah, there's not.
AdamI think that's great.
ChrisNo.
AdamYeah, I think that's a great way of putting it.
ChrisDoesn't exist, but you know.
AdamBecause folk horror tends to be, I mean, it doesn't have to be, but it tends to be sort of supernatural or it's something that's coming from the land, but this is this is almost like them coming in and spoiling these places.
Chrisappears to be.
JenniferYeah.
AdamThat's the thing that makes me laugh.
AdamChris keeps saying.
AdamOh, he's ruined that for me now.
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamOh, he's ruined the Tram Museum for me now.
JenniferOh.
AdamYou know.
AdamYeah, by littering not by you killing him, that's what and like when he says, oh, you've ruined that restaurant for me now.
AdamBecause you killed the bride outside it and the stuff like that, it's almost that, you know, it's it's them going and fucking up.
JenniferDo they keep it tidy out there?
JenniferYou know.
JenniferLike the littering.
AdamYep.
JenniferBut yeah.
JenniferI don't know, it just felt that sort of I suppose where you think everything is fine and normal and then it isn't.
AdamYeah.
JenniferShe's often had that.
AdamWell, it's definitely that landscape thing.
AdamIt definitely draws from the landscape.
AdamAnd you've got bits like the dream sequence and and actually that bit where when he kills Ian.
AdamWhere you've got like all the shaman stuff going on and you've got the version.
LeeYeah.
AdamOf the which going on and stuff.
AdamThat's very where it's like, you know, you and and again, that's something.
AdamThat's something that Ben Wheatley does very well.
AdamI mean, if you like A Field in England.
AdamHas that.
AdamAnd actually he did a there's a film he did called In the Earth with Reece Shearsmith, which is really fucking good.
AdamAnd that's folk horror, which actually made during they made it during lockdown.
AdamAnd it's kind of so that but they made that a sort of benefit of it, so you've only got like there's there's not many people in it basically.
AdamThey just formed a bubble during lockdown and that's how they filmed it.
JenniferNice.
LeeBut yeah, that was definitely one to check because you did watch it and you don't remember it.
LeeSo, yeah.
LeeBut again, it has it's got that same that same very mundane.
AdamYeah.
LeeEveryone's very down to earth and regular, but yeah, in a very strange scenario where everything is off.
AdamYeah.
LeeBut off in a almost believable way, which yeah.
LeeWhat he's about.
AdamOh, I think I think that's the thing as well with this. This this feels like if if someone had told you this was like 10 Rillington Place or something, but this or like Fred and Rose or something like that.
AdamLike this was an event that had taken place, it would feel like it actually did happen.
AdamThere's nothing unbelievable about it or anything else like that, in fact, it's far too plausible.
AdamIt's, you know, that's half the.
AdamThat's half the disturbing thing about it is just how obvious and sort of like, yeah, you could you could just bump into these people and you wouldn't know.
JenniferYeah.
JenniferAnd they could get away with it if she hadn't sort of gone a bit off the rails, he'd probably get away with his murders.
ChrisYeah, because it was only once she started doing it that then there was the police reports.
JenniferYeah.
JenniferThat's it.
AdamOh, yeah.
AdamWhere it's what is it? A ginger-faced man and an angry police are looking for a ginger-faced man and an angry woman.
JenniferYes.
LeeYeah.
JenniferOh.
LeeYeah.
LeeOh.
LeeYeah, and as we say.
LeeAnd there's so many people in this, like we say, like Tony Way and Monica Dolan.
LeeLike people you recognize from being in so much great British TV and a lot a lot of great comedy stuff as well.
LeeYeah, that they just.
LeeReally pulled everyone together for it.
LeeI mean, Jonathan Harris as well, who you see in so much stuff in Sherlock and always outstanding.
LeeBut they all have these very small roles, but it's just great to see so many people in it.
AdamYeah.
AdamI mean, and very blinking you miss him, but the the shaman who's beheading the chicken.
Adamthat's do you remember in The Mighty Boosh, they have a false Vince Noir, Lance Dior.
LeeOh, okay.
AdamYeah.
AdamYeah, that's him.
AdamTom Meaton.
LeeOh.
AdamAnd
AdamActually, he did a Ben Wheatley produced it, but he did a.
AdamIt's him, it's him and Alice Lowe, and it's like a noir surreal noir occult detective story.
AdamIt's really fucking good.
Adambut it's directed by and if I'm right here, it's directed by the guy they run over.
LeeAll right.
LeeOh.
AdamOh.
AdamYeah, the cyclist.
AdamYeah.
AdamOh, hang on, is it the cyclist?
AdamYeah.
AdamI think so, but yes.
AdamGareth Gareth Tunley is the, I think he's the cyclist who gets killed.
AdamAnd yeah, he's yeah, he's like a director.
AdamHe's done like I say, the Gaul's really good.
AdamThat's worth checking out.
AdamI'm still I mean, I'm a big Ben Wheatley fan, but I've still not seen The Meg 2.
Chris
AdamBut.
AdamI've not seen The Meg 1, so, you know, I'm not sure if I'll be able to catch up on the plot.
AdamI can't go can't go steaming in on the, you know, on the on the middle part of a trilogy, can you?
JenniferNo.
LeeNo.
LeeOh, yeah.
LeeSo, yeah, I'm not sure what Ben Wheatley's got coming.
Lee
LeeAt the moment.
LeeBut again, I I think he's he definitely is brilliant.
LeeBut he just manages to make.
JenniferYou know.
LeeNo.
JenniferYeah, what about that?
LeeThanks.
LeeI'm just.
ChrisWas that Meg 2?
LeeHe's got picture for the Meg on it.
Lee
LeeNot your phone.
JenniferHave you moved it?
LeeYes, of course.
AdamOh, of course, yes.
LeeJennifer's fear of sharks even in picture form.
Lee
AdamDon't broadcast it now.
AdamPeople have got something on her.
JenniferOh, everywhere.
LeeLucky she down anything.
ChrisOh, shame.
AdamHe.
AdamOh, he did.
AdamHe wrote it down.
AdamHe's back of his.
AdamSchool schedule and he's listed his fears on the back of it.
LeeThat's.
LeeThat's.
LeeThat's.
LeeYeah.
Lee
LeeBut yeah, he's one of those directors.
LeeSome of his stuff I love.
LeeSome of it I'm not a fan of, but I'll the stuff that that hits for me.
LeeIs so good.
LeeThat I always have to check out what he's doing regardless.
LeeAgain.
LeeYou know.
AdamYeah.
LeeA bit like.
LeeWhat's his name?
AdamYou have it with Night Shayamalan, definitely.
LeeYes.
AdamWhere you because you ve really heavily with him, but it's like you either love it or love it.
AdamBut it's you always give him a crack of the whip, yeah.
LeeYeah, yeah.
LeeAbsolutely, because when it lands, it really lands.
LeeSo.
LeeYes.
LeeI shall look forward, but yeah, you don't seem to have anything else on IMDb currently in production.
AdamNo, they they're always listing a thing he was meant to do, like a sci-fi thing he was meant to do called Free Shift, but I think they've been talking about that for like years and so I'm not sure if that's going to happen.
AdamIn fact, he did a he did like a comic book that I think is mostly that now.
AdamLike the ideas that were going to be free shift.
AdamBecause it was going to be like a bit like a sort of like an alien's kind of thing.
AdamBut yeah, I think a lot of that got moved into that.
Adam
AdamAlthough if you want to go back through, do try and seek out The Wrong Door.
AdamWhich was the sketch show he did like long before he did
AdamLike I think that was pre Down Terrace, actually.
AdamBut yeah, The Wrong Door was like a six-part sketch series and it's got some it's got some really good sketches in that.
AdamAnd
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd at least one episode, Brian Blessed turns up, so, you know.
LeeSold.
AdamSo.
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know.
AdamIf that's I was going to say, that's a recommendation of itself.
LeeNice.
JenniferYeah.
LeeYeah.
JenniferNice.
Lee
LeeRight, so happy birthday, Lady Jennifer.
ChrisYeah, happy birthday.
AdamHappy birthday.
AdamGreat choice.
LeeThank you everybody for listening, go and check out Sightseers, go and check out all of Ben Wheatley's stuff.
JenniferAll of Alice Lowe's stuff.
LeeOh, yeah, and Stephen Oram's stuff.
LeeLike, yeah, if there's anything out there.
LeeMissing from.
AdamAlice.
AdamAlice Lowe has just had.
AdamHer festivals, she's her latest film.
JenniferOh, cool.
AdamHas been on there.
AdamIt's I want to make sure I've got the right name for it.
AdamTime Stalker.
LeeOh.
JenniferOkay.
Adamand that's just started doing festivals.
AdamSo I'm hoping that's going to appear fairly soon.
AdamBut that's the one she's written and directed.
JenniferNice.
LeeCheck that out then.
LeeDefinitely.
LeeNot going to be at fright fest then.
AdamNo.
LeeI don't believe so.
LeeNo.
Lee
LeeRight, yes, so thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Leewe will be back in a fortnight's time, we're going to do a what we've been watching because we used to do them every six weeks and we haven't done one so far this year, I believe.
JenniferSo.
LeeOh, we have.
JenniferWe have.
LeeYeah, no, we have.
JenniferWe have.
LeeWe do.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeYeah.
JenniferOkay.
LeeYes, so we need so we're going to do another one of those.
LeeBecause I've got about 10 pages of stuff I've been watching, which I need to whittle down to a 45-minute podcast, which is going to be fun.
LeeYes, so thanks ever so much for listening, everybody, and good night.
JenniferNight.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night.
LeeDon't forget to point out if it's not your vagina.
ChrisIt isn't my vagina.
