All about Evil

0:23UnknownGood evening and welcome to Horror.

0:25LeeI'm Lee.

0:27ChrisI'm Chris.

0:28AdamI'm Adam.

0:29LeeAnd we are here for episode 151, who'd have thought we'd have made it this far?

0:36AdamThe thing is.

0:37LeeThe

0:38Chrisone of us maybe, but.

0:41AdamIt's it it does explain why we sort of top-loaded the first 30 episodes.

0:48ChrisYeah.

0:49LeeYeah.

0:51AdamWell, yeah, after a while we got to like, we'll get round to it.

0:54LeeYeah.

0:55AdamBut.

0:56ChrisBut they still keep coming, they still keep coming.

0:59AdamThat's true. And reassuringly they keep making them. Yes, ones that are either worth watching or, you know, genuinely good or worth knowing about.

1:51LeeOr worth ripping to pieces because you hate them so much.

1:56ChrisOh, oh, oh, is that a hint?

1:59LeeNo, no.

2:00LeeSo, definitely not for this evening's episode, we are here for the first part of our Camp Horror month with the quite frankly spectacular spoiling it already. 2010 movie All About Evil.

2:17LeeA movie that myself and Adam were marginally obsessed with when it first came out, and oh my God, does it hold up?

2:26LeeBut before we get too excited, just to remind you all, there will be spoilers and there will be swearing, so buckle the fuck up, because it is coming.

2:35Lee

2:37AdamI think, I think before we, I think before we embark on our Camp Horror.

2:42Adamthing.

2:43AdamI've just going to read this out, which is a quote from Susan Sontag, which is, so we're, we're very.

2:50AdamVery suffice on this, yeah, you know.

2:53AdamYes.

2:53Adamdefining, she had a essay notes on camp, and camp.

2:59AdamA sensibility that revels in artifice, stylisation, theatricalisation, irony, playfulness and exaggeration, rather than content.

3:10AdamNow.

3:10AdamI'm not sure about the last part, but I think it does definitely embrace the two movies that we've picked, certainly.

3:17LeeOh, without a shadow of a doubt.

3:18LeeAnd I've got to say of all of my favorite sub-genres, it's this and comedy horror for me.

3:24LeeLike I love my gore and slashers and I like my real horror.

3:29LeeBut comedy horror and camp horror, particularly, I just love to bits.

3:35AdamThey're they're pretty much the same.

3:38AdamIn many ways, you know, I think, I mean, a horror itself.

3:43Adamhas a camp element anyway.

3:45Lee

3:46AdamYou know, hammer can be camp, it's anything that's sort of, because, you know, as soon as it's melodrama, that's camp, essentially, on this, certainly on that sort of quote.

3:55AdamSo I think it's, it's, it's a vein that runs through it and I think that's why.

4:02AdamCertainly sort of people such as Peaches Christ embrace horror so much, you know.

4:11AdamI think it's.

4:11LeeYeah.

4:12AdamYeah.

4:12LeeYeah.

4:13LeeAnd and I am going to get to you Chris because obviously I want your first thoughts.

4:15LeeBut just while I'm thinking of it, because you've mentioned it, yeah, one of the main things I loved about it.

4:21LeeI knew we were in for a good ride the first time we put this in the DVD player, when that title sequence started running and it was all those classic amazing movies that they switched.

4:27LeeAnd I was like, right, this is someone who knows what they're talking about, really cares about horror.

4:33Leeyeah, and I was like, right, this isn't just, because I think I'd heard about it from one person and they'd gone mental over it.

4:42LeeBut I was like, well, it's only one person's opinion, but on person's opinions.

4:47LeeLet's jump to Chris, Chris on your first viewing.

4:51LeeWhat did you make of All About Evil?

4:55ChrisSo.

4:58ChrisNow, it takes me a little bit to fully appreciate a slasher.

5:05Lee

5:06ChrisI think I've said that before.

5:08Christhis this has got everything going for it.

5:13ChrisSo now I I was trying to see who I recognized.

5:16ChrisI do only recognize Natasha Lyonne.

5:20LeeYeah.

5:21AdamNatasha Lyonne.

5:22ChrisYeah, Lyonne.

5:23ChrisOkay.

5:23Chrisyeah, from American Pie originally and or at least that's the first thing I saw in and then Russian Doll.

5:32Chrisbut yeah, and she always comes across as as likable but deep and slightly edgy.

5:42Chrisbut yeah, and so so I guess what I would like is is for both of you to to tell me it to talk about it so that yeah.

5:57ChrisI think I want to fully appreciate it from your perspectives first.

6:02LeeThat's fair.

6:03LeeThat sounds good.

6:04LeeAdam, would you like to.

6:07AdamWell, I well on the sort of back story of it, who was it who recommended it to you, Lee?

6:12AdamBecause I can't remember.

6:13LeeSo I used to listen to a podcast called Drunken Zombie.

6:19LeeAnd they used to have a guy called Patrick who used to call in.

6:22Leeand he was mental, like seriously, he used to, when he used to do his phone ins, he used to do it walking down the street and he'd just stopped to scream at people in the street.

6:33LeeLike he was entertaining, but he was a big part of the LGBTQ scene in, New York at the time.

6:38LeeSo when the film got launched, he got invited to the opening thing.

6:44Leeand he did a whole episode on it basically saying, look, me and my boyfriend got tickets, we went, we got lost on the way to the theater, it was pissing down with rain and we weren't ready, we didn't have time to eat, like, I got to the theater and couldn't have been less in the mood for the film.

6:59LeeHe said, and I came away having one of the greatest cinema experiences of my life because it was, the film was outstanding.

7:05LeeAnd all the hype and everything that went on with it was phenomenal.

7:10LeeAnd he just raved about it so much and obviously he mentioned that Mink Stole was in it and Cassandra Peterson was in it.

7:15Leeand I was like, oh my God.

7:18LeeLike I need to get hold of this.

7:22Leeand it was still in a pre-order situation, so I pre-ordered it.

7:26ChrisSo.

7:28Leeyeah, and when it turned up, I I held on to it for two days because I was like I can't watch it without Dean and Adam.

7:33LeeBut I was like, oh, I can't wait, yeah, and that first time of just us sitting down and cracking a beer and watching it was like.

7:39ChrisRight, so let me let me interject slightly then, so why, I don't know why, I'm slightly uncomfortable with it.

7:45ChrisSo because it's got everything going for it and I just can't tell if it's just me.

7:50Chrisalmost like if I watched it a few times, but is it something about the fact that they're kind of meant to be real.

8:02ChrisWell, I mean, they they are real in the film, what's happening.

8:05ChrisBut so I don't know if that somehow puts me slightly.

8:08AdamWhat, what you can't quite g for them as they are, the murders.

8:12ChrisWell, or just the whole idea of of

8:17ChrisYou know, potentially snuff films seems odd.

8:25AdamIt's it's certainly one that you it's it was weird because someone asked what film we were doing next.

8:30AdamAnd I explained it was all about evil.

8:33AdamAnd it was, oh, and then I was like, oh, it's all about evil and I then realized probably a lot of people don't know the film.

8:43AdamSo I put in a little explanation and it was like.

8:46AdamOh, it's like a black comedy about a cinema owner who starts making their own snuff films.

8:51AdamAnd it was at that point that I thought, that really doesn't sound like a comedy.

8:56ChrisNo.

8:57AdamIt sounds like a film you didn't.

8:57ChrisBut that's it, that's it. So that that's the bit that's.

9:00AdamI didn't.

9:01ChrisBut that's it. So so the actual the film is enjoyable, but it's somehow just that feels like it's hard for me to fully get over that as a, you know, a slogan for it.

9:12AdamMaybe that's, maybe that's where the.

9:15AdamThe element of camp comes in, I think.

9:19ChrisYeah, so absolutely.

9:20ChrisSo that like if if it wasn't, I think I would probably hate it.

9:26AdamYes.

9:26AdamThe absurdity of it is what sells it.

9:31ChrisYeah.

9:32AdamIn that sense.

9:34LeeI I loved that that absurdity and the fact it's such an original idea.

9:39LeeYou know, a lot of independent filmmakers, as we've said before.

9:43LeeWe'll take kind of very well-trodden stories for their kind of first attempt.

9:50Leewhereas this just felt so original and so fresh.

9:54Leeyeah, and that was what I loved about it.

9:56LeeAnd it's it is a very dark tale, as you say, if you if you think about it on paper, but it's handled so well and with such a a great level of comedy.

10:05Leeyeah, that I just, I I I loved every minute of it, and I still.

10:12AdamSee.

10:12AdamSee, I think, because also around, around the time that you got this.

10:18AdamBecause I I remember you actually, because you you had to sort of explain it to us.

10:23AdamAnd obviously, you mentioned, like Peaches Christ who wrote and directed it.

10:31Adamand didn't, didn't you get a letter.

10:35AdamWhen you ordered it, Lee, like because it was obviously from.

10:38LeeDirect from her, wasn't it?

10:39AdamOr like from her website.

10:41LeeIt was no, no, no, that was that was a different one from someone else.

10:45Lee

10:46Adam

10:48Leebut yeah, I think when I pre-ordered it, it was supposed to come with like a signed copy of the poster or something as part of the pre-order.

10:56Leewhich unfortunately didn't.

10:58LeeSo I was a bit put out about that, but.

11:01LeeBut then I enjoyed the film so much that I genuinely was like, you know what, I have.

11:04ChrisForgive that.

11:05LeeI have had my money's worth out of this DVD over the years because I think this must have been the maybe the dozenth time that I've seen it.

11:13LeeWhich is why I was most surprised when I told Jennifer about it and she went, yeah, that doesn't sound familiar at all.

11:21LeeSo she sat down and watched it with me tonight.

11:24Leeand absolutely loved it, but she did say, it does give teachers a bad name, because that Miss Morehouse, is her name, is an absolute prick.

11:31AdamWas her.

11:31LeeWas her exact words.

11:32AdamThat that's prob, that's probably weirdly enough the only bit of this that sort of works to a different time or gives you an insight into a different time.

11:43Adamwhere that is seen as an absurd thing.

11:49LeeYeah.

11:50AdamWhereas now it would be, no, genuinely do make sure you've intervened on this, because, you know, school shootings are now a thing.

12:01Lee

12:01AdamI mean, not not to put horrible sort of moments into it or whatever like that.

12:06AdamBut apparently that is the number one cause of teenage death in America these days.

12:11AdamAbove accidents, drugs, anything else, yeah, that is the most likely reason.

12:17AdamSo I think now it would probably not, that bit would probably not be as overdone.

12:25AdamEven though it is the whole thing about, if you like horror films, you must be a weirdo.

12:39LeeYou must be a weirdo.

12:40AdamYeah, it's the it's kind of like the Satanic Panic thing and stuff like that where it's like you play Dungeons and Dragons, therefore.

12:46AdamIt's the same reason that.

12:47ChrisYeah, yeah.

12:48AdamI can't remember which is which Toy Story, there's a toy shop that won't sell Harry Potter because it's like Harry Potter stuff, because it's.

12:55AdamIt's yeah, the entertainer will not sell Harry Potter stuff because their owner is like hardline Christian and is like it's magic and wizards and stuff, so it's the dark arts.

13:03ChrisSo it's like corrupting, yeah.

13:05AdamIt's satanic, yeah, so.

13:08LeeOh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

13:09AdamNot only that.

13:10LeeOh, yeah, yeah.

13:10AdamYeah, absolutely.

13:12AdamNot not only that, but also call yourself a businessman.

13:15LeeOh.

13:15AdamYeah, let's ignore one of like the the most successful fucking franchises.

13:22ChrisYeah.

13:23AdamYou know, but anyway, I mean, but that's sort of beside the point.

13:26AdamBut, but I remember when we, when we watched this.

13:30AdamNow, here's the thing.

13:31AdamI would, I would have at the drop of a hat recommended this film to anyone.

13:39LeeYeah.

13:40AdamAnd I yesterday was literally the second time ever that I've seen it.

13:45AdamI've only seen it once at yours, Lee, because I couldn't get hold of a copy of the DVD.

13:52AdamBecause it was a fairly limited run and it was gone.

13:54AdamBasically.

13:54AdamI think, I think at one point I did see because it was one of those things where it was like, oh yeah, all about evil.

14:01AdamNo, I'll I'll get that because I'll watch that again.

14:03AdamAnd by then, I think there was copies changing hands for sort of inflated prices and it was like, oh, well, you know, didn't see the thing.

14:12Adamand so the fact that they've released a Blu-ray, Seven have released this on Blu-ray, it's fantastic and it's on Shutter.

14:20AdamSo more people hopefully will see this.

14:23LeeI'm definitely going to pick up the Blu-ray of it, because I've still got the original DVD copy that I've got.

14:30LeeWhich, I mean, which is it's fantastic quality for a lower budget release.

14:35Leebut yeah, if it's on Blu-ray, I will absolutely be getting hold of that.

14:40Adamthis couple.

14:41AdamYeah, getting quick, it's got the soundtrack on CD with it.

14:44Lee

14:45Adamand, like loads of, it's got the extras that were on the DVD that you've got and additional stuff as well.

14:52LeeYeah.

14:53Adamso, and it's all pretty good and it looks it looks great as well.

14:57AdamBut I think at the time, particularly Dean and then and through Dean, I was getting into John Waters' stuff.

15:03AdamAnd again, we were bringing them around to you, Lee, so we.

15:08AdamAnd that is definitely how I feel All About Evil is.

15:13AdamIs it feels like a John Waters film.

15:15LeeYeah, absolutely.

15:17AdamI I ended up, when I was watching it, I ended up with like a load of sort of fantasy double bills in my head of what you could pair this with.

15:26AdamAnd one of them was Be demented.

15:28LeeYeah, without a doubt.

15:29AdamYeah.

15:30LeeYeah.

15:31AdamThat.

15:32AdamThat which is probably on an equal pegging with Female Trouble being my favorite John Waters movie.

15:41AdamSo, Be demented is the story of a director who kidnaps an actress.

15:44AdamIn like a famous but sort of not doing anything worthy actress and forces her to make good films.

15:51AdamIt's like they're basically like an artistic terrorist movement.

15:57Adam

15:58AdamAnd I think actually that.

16:00ChrisThat's another idea.

16:02LeeIt's funny you.

16:03LeeI was going to say Jennifer said exactly the same, she was like, this would be a perfect double film bill with Popcorn.

16:08LeeAnd I was like, that's another one of my favorites.

16:10ChrisOh, yeah.

16:11ChrisYeah, you have mentioned that a few times.

16:14AdamI also think because of the classic sort of like the classic nature that Debora is going for, I mean, that's that's just immediately fantastic.

16:25LeeYeah.

16:26AdamI get the feeling that that was either someone they knew or it was a joke that sort of was the basis of why she's called Deborah.

16:33AdamBecause there was no, it's Debora.

16:38Adambut I like like she makes sort of stuff that's.

16:43AdamObviously like very, a lot of it is historically set, supposedly.

16:51Adam

16:51AdamAnd so again, the other thing I was thinking you pair it with is Theatre of Blood.

16:57LeeYes.

17:00AdamYou know, because I think in a very similar and even the fact you end up with a rooftop like demont at the end sort of would feel very Theatre of Blood as well.

17:12AdamAnd again, I think it's like Theatre of Blood where it's that that has that sensibility where you're like.

17:18AdamYeah, that if this was real life.

17:22AdamThis is ghastly people.

17:22ChrisYeah.

17:23AdamBut it's not real life, so we can enjoy this, and it's just fucking mad.

17:27LeeIt's one of those fantastic movies to enjoy with like.

17:31LeeI've seen this film probably seven or eight times on my own.

17:35LeeBut it is a great group watch.

17:38LeeIt is one of those.

17:39ChrisSo that's it, that's what I was thinking.

17:41ChrisYeah, definitely, I think it would have worked fantastically well.

17:45LeeGet a few of you together, a few too many beers, chuck this on, it is absolutely perfect.

17:51Leeyeah, and it's a it's a lovely short film as well, it's, you know, hour and 39 or whatever.

17:57LeeYeah.

17:58LeeAnd the story moves along really nicely, it doesn't have any slow bits, it doesn't feel rushed any time.

18:04LeeIt's just, yeah, it's just.

18:06ChrisThe characters are all great.

18:07LeeYeah.

18:09AdamIt gets, yeah, it gets it gets into the premise quickly and doesn't even let up.

18:14ChrisYeah, yeah, it's very true.

18:17AdamThere's there's almost like a jump scare where it's like, Deborah, Mr. Twig, like cover up the murder of her mom.

18:26ChrisYeah.

18:27AdamAnd then the next thing you know, oh, we'll drug this one because she was annoying.

18:30AdamYou know, which is.

18:31AdamBut it's a conversation that's obviously taken place off screen.

18:33ChrisBut you don't see anything cuts up to that.

18:36AdamYou don't see anything that cuts up to that.

18:39Adambut I like that, yeah, like you say, it just gets on with it.

18:43AdamAnd.

18:46ChrisAnd also it just.

18:47ChrisIt seems to do everything right.

18:49ChrisYeah.

18:50AdamMaybe I think it's again, it's one of those things where I think if it's if it hits if it hits you on the wrong note or whatever like that, I think it could be.

18:57AdamBecause I know like I watched the making of, which is got Joshua Granelle, aka Peaches Christ.

19:07Adamand the producer and the majority of the actors are in it.

19:12AdamAnd also that that completely threw me because the one thing I was going all the way through.

19:15AdamWas because I was trying to remember who, Stephen was like because I was like, I know you from fucking something.

19:22LeeOh, Sarah Connor Chronicles.

19:23AdamYeah, it's the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

19:25AdamAnd I was like, oh, yeah, that finally that penny dropped but only afterwards.

19:31AdamAnd.

19:31LeeHe was also, he was brilliant in, he was in a show for, I think it was a Netflix original called Backstrom, which was, which was basically him living with a slightly mental detective, who was played by the guy who gets turned into a fish from House of 1000 Corpses.

19:50AdamOh, Bill.

19:52LeeHader.

19:53LeeYeah, I can't remember his name at the moment.

19:54LeeI've only got one screen, unfortunately.

19:56Lee

19:57LeeBut yeah, and and that's a fantastic, that was another one when I saw it and I was like, oh, man, that was such a great series.

20:02LeeBut they just did the one and and didn't go back to it, unfortunately.

20:06AdamYeah, Thomas Decker, who plays Steven.

20:08LeeYeah.

20:09AdamWho is also in, I've never seen it, but he plays David McGowan in John Carpenter's remake of Village of the Damned.

20:18LeeOh, okay.

20:19Adamso he must be like the main creepy kid.

20:23AdamAt Midwich.

20:25Adam

20:26AdamAnd he's in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake.

20:30LeeOh, he's he's the main character, I believe in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake.

20:33LeeWhich, yeah, I don't worry.

20:34LeeThomas Tecker, I'm not holding that against you.

20:38AdamBut but obviously because I mean it's funny, it's funny that you said obviously you recognized Natasha Lyonne, Chris, Mink Stole, who played Evelyn, the like the librarian who gets her lip song shot.

20:51AdamShe is a John Waters regular, John Waters basically had a has a repertoire a repertoire company, essentially.

20:59LeeOh, that's the last thing they.

21:01LeeAre we reputable?

21:02AdamOh, that's yeah.

21:03AdamNot reputable.

21:04Adamyeah, they're called the Dreamlanders.

21:06AdamBecause of John Waters does John Waters' Dreamlands Productions.

21:12AdamSo she's in loads of

21:17AdamShe's in most, I think, I think she's been pretty much every John Waters film.

21:22LeeYeah.

21:23AdamGive or take.

21:24Adam

21:26AdamBut so but she's also in but I'm a cheerleader with Natasha Lyonne.

21:32Adamand she was on like Married With Children, so she sort of does stuff here and there.

21:37AdamBut really she's it's for John Waters that she's known.

21:40AdamSo she was definitely a familiar face when watching it.

21:44AdamMe and Lee both already had an obsession with Natasha Lyonne.

21:48AdamI mean, with me, it was mostly because of Confessions of a Trick Baby.

21:53Adamwhich is just a a fucking mental film.

21:56Adamit's actually, it's actually the sequel to a kind of the sequel to a film called Freeway.

22:02Adamwhich is basically Red Riding Hood told through the prism of like a trashy, true crime movie.

22:13Adambasically Reese Witherspoon gets picked up by, a predatory nonce played by, Keith Sutherland.

22:20Adamand rather than like get Granny eaten, she just takes his gun off him and puts him in a fucking wheelchair.

22:27AdamBut he's still coming after her, even though he is like, covered in reconstructive surgery stuff.

22:34AdamAnd Confessions of a Trick Baby, Natasha Lyonne plays a character called White Girl and, basically she ends up escaping from.

22:43Adamwhat's the a juvenile hall where she's like, she's an American cult store.

22:49AdamYeah.

22:50Adamlike her, and basically she escapes and goes on a lesbian killing spree with, another inmate and it's, yeah, again.

22:59AdamVery fucked up, very John Watersy.

23:02AdamAnd it's sort of, yeah, it's a trajectory where you feel like, I can see why All About Evil sort of is definitely in in her wheelhouse, you know.

23:09ChrisYeah, yeah.

23:10AdamBut the other name that you probably, you, did you recognize Stephen's mom?

23:19ChrisNo.

23:20LeeYou will after their next episode.

23:22ChrisCome on.

23:23ChrisI won't.

23:24AdamThat was Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.

23:26ChrisOh, right.

23:27ChrisOkay.

23:28AdamSo.

23:28LeeThat's.

23:29ChrisOh.

23:29Adam

23:30LeeWhich is funny that he had the poster above the bed of Elvira.

23:38AdamFunny or questionable because it does suggest he's not one out of his got money.

23:44ChrisWell.

23:45AdamAnd I'll leave it there.

23:46ChrisBut so so how many references were actually in this in total?

23:50AdamI think there's only that, that's the only Elvira reference that he's just got the poster.

23:55AdamBut but oddly enough, that's right for his room.

23:59AdamHe's got all the horror modern model stuff and the other horror film posters and stuff like that.

24:05AdamElvira's Elvira would be an obvious thing in there, even if Cassandra Peterson wasn't in the film.

24:09AdamAnd obviously.

24:12ChrisSo when was when was Elvira big, what was?

24:16AdamI'm not even.

24:17AdamGoing to rise to that.

24:18ChrisNo, okay.

24:21LeeSo.

24:21Leeso I I think Elvira's mainstay was in the eighties.

24:24Lee

24:24LeeAgain, it was that thing of they had a they had a late night slot and they had lots of films that were public domain, but just whacking on some old black and white horror movies didn't necessarily get the audience in.

24:35LeeSo they were like, well if we get a host.

24:37AdamIt's a tradition, isn't it? It's a it's a very we've spoken about it before the American tradition of you had horror hosts.

24:43AdamBut Elvira was Elvira was the sort of in the eighties and nineties was the recognized horror host.

24:50Adam

24:51AdamAnd yeah, so, but I mean, obviously, I mean, she's still, I mean, she's still out there, she's still presenting and doing this and that and everything else like that.

25:00ChrisOkay.

25:02Adamand yeah, I mean, sort of but like I say, I mean, obviously, we'll get more into that next week when we cover Mistress of the Dark.

25:14AdamBut.

25:15AdamI have to say, she's fucking good in this because there is not a hint of Elvira.

25:22ChrisThat's interesting.

25:23AdamYou know, this if you.

25:25AdamWell, here's that is actually that is brilliant because that is my proof of concept.

25:30AdamChris has watched this and just thought there's an actress playing someone in a drag.

25:34LeeYeah.

25:35LeeAnd didn't.

25:36ChrisNot at all.

25:37AdamWhich is.

25:38AdamYeah.

25:38ChrisNot not that I mean I often don't recognize people very well, so I may not be the perfect here, but yeah, no, it's funny how that. I mean, reminds me of Marilyn Monroe.

25:48ChrisThere was there was a story about her on the underground and she was not dressed up as that and as she would normally be, nobody noticed her, and she's talking to this reporter, and then she gets off, steps out into New York City, and just starts doing her moves, and suddenly she's people are clambering around her and she's like, oh yeah, she's now become this, everyone recognizes her.

26:08ChrisBut when she's just being normal, she can get away with it.

26:12ChrisIt's like it's funny how that.

26:13AdamWell, I think.

26:13ChrisIt's it's it's noticing the characteristics.

26:15AdamI think it's but yeah, I think certainly in terms of like Elvira, Elvira is a costume.

26:21ChrisYeah.

26:21AdamYou know, it's not it's not even like an image or something like that.

26:27AdamYou know, you you can probably see Keanu Reeves walk around and he might look like John Wick.

26:30AdamOr he might look like Constantine or whatever.

26:34AdamBut yeah, Elvira out of the costume is utterly un-Elvira.

26:40LeeYeah, it just goes to show you how much of a character she'd created.

26:43LeeSo as you say, it isn't just the look, it's actually she created this entire persona.

26:46AdamPersona.

26:47AdamEssentially, it's drag.

26:48LeeYeah.

26:49AdamIt's much.

26:50AdamIn the same way she you like, for example, obviously Peaches Christ is in the film.

26:56LeeLooking amazing, I've got to say.

26:58LeeLike just.

27:00AdamBut you would not necessarily recognize her out of drag.

27:03Lee

27:04AdamSo.

27:05AdamBecause but apparently when I was watching the making of, like, Joshua Grenelle, Peaches Christ, whichever you want to go.

27:12AdamI mean, that's he it's Joshua Grenelle is who's the credited director.

27:17LeeYeah.

27:18AdamSo, you know, and Peaches Christ is a credited character.

27:20AdamSo it's yeah.

27:22Adambut apparently when they were making it, he, would, obviously if he's playing.

27:30Adamhe's the only one who can do the Peaches Christ makeup.

27:35AdamLike, you know, drag queens do their own look.

27:39Adamand so if he was playing, if he was going to be on set as Peaches Christ in the film, he would have to come in in full makeup.

27:49AdamNot the not the dress and the hair, but in the makeup.

27:53AdamYeah, and so they said it was a very weird experience filming it.

27:56AdamBecause the makeup looks disdainful, it's like.

28:02LeeYeah.

28:03AdamIt's like, it's naturally done to look slightly sneery.

28:08LeeYeah.

28:09AdamAnd loads of the actors said, we really lost confidence if he was ever in the makeup, because we were he he immediately looked like that.

28:15ChrisIt feels like.

28:17LeeYeah.

28:17ChrisYeah.

28:17AdamYeah.

28:19LeeYeah.

28:20AdamYou know.

28:20LeeI was trying to work out.

28:21LeeHow tall Joshua Grenelle must be, because there's a point at which he's clearly, obviously, when he's as Peaches Christ with the massive wig on and the heels.

28:27LeeBut there's a point where she's standing in the door of the and everybody else is coming through and is, you know, sort of a third of the door up and she has to duck to get under the door.

28:34LeeAnd I was like, he's got to be a really tall dude before he before he goes into change because he's just, yeah, massive.

28:41AdamOh, yeah.

28:42AdamAnd you've got Heckle, who is another San Francisco drag queen.

28:47AdamIn there as well.

28:50AdamWho is named after, the Icelandic volcano.

28:54LeeOh.

28:54AdamThat we talked about in the Northman.

28:56LeeOh, right.

28:57AdamYes.

28:57AdamYeah.

28:58AdamBut like Peaches Christ, so.

29:00AdamPeaches Christ is like quite big in the San Francisco, is big in the drag drag scene in San Francisco and all over, really.

29:06Adambut hosted a thing called Midnight Mass for 12 years, which was like a, basically it was showing cult and excuse me.

29:16AdamShowing like cult cinema and, like modern and old.

29:21AdamMostly like a lot of horror films, obviously.

29:25AdamAnd getting guests into talks like have guests like Mink Stole and Elvira, but also like Linda Blair, RuPaul.

29:30AdamMary Warhoff and John and John John Waters and sort of like were all guests there.

29:35AdamAnd yeah, basically that ran for about 12 years and was like a massive regular sort of thing in San Francisco.

29:45AdamAnd he he still now does a horror house every Halloween.

29:52LeeNice.

29:53AdamAnd apparently like Peaches Christ's horror house is some of the best ones on the on the scene.

29:58AdamYou know.

29:59AdamAnd yeah, and Midnight Mass is now the name of Peaches Christ's podcast.

30:05AdamWhich is basically the same thing, they just go through, they do what we do, watch old movies and talk about them.

30:10LeeOh, I will be listening to that next week.

30:13AdamWell, fun, funnily enough, I did notice that one of them was the launch party episode for this.

30:20LeeOh.

30:21Adamfor all about evil, I listen to that and that was really, that was really good.

30:24AdamAnd it had on there like the composer and oh, and the the guy who plays the school principal.

30:28AdamWho in the because there's a short film that Peaches Christ made called Grindhouse, which is and that was pre Tarantino Rodriguez.

30:37AdamAnd and which is basically the plot of this, but it was like a short that it was like he he describes it as a proof of concept.

30:46AdamThat it's almost just like, right.

30:49AdamI've got this idea, but actually I can do more with this idea.

30:51LeeYeah.

30:52AdamSo I think it was just it's it's but it that is included on the Blu-ray as well.

30:57LeeI'll definitely be that up in the week.

30:59AdamThe the person who plays the principal in All About Evil plays the mother in because here's Drag Queen, no, real name.

31:08Adamwhat is it is it Spence, but what is it it's come on.

31:14AdamTimmy Spence, thank God for that because I was going to say Jimmy.

31:16AdamSo, but Timmy Spence, whose drag queen name apparently was Lois Turd.

31:18LeeOh.

31:23AdamSo, yeah, and yeah, really sort of there's a lot of, I think there's the nurse in this played the original Debora.

31:32Adambut.

31:34AdamNatasha Lyonne actually got the job because she was in a film called Slums of Beverly Hills.

31:38LeeShe she's done quite a lot, hasn't she? She has done a ton.

31:44Lee

31:49AdamI've got I've, well, I've got the, I've got the details here, so.

31:52AdamFirst major acting first acting role was the age of six in Pee-wee's Playhouse and her first major film role was a 1996 film Woody Allen's, everyone says I love you, at the age of 16. Like many child stars, she drifted into alcohol and drugs at an early age, consistently working, but more often attracting press for run ins with the law than the films she was in.

32:12AdamShe eventually became addicted to opiates and slowly began to see parts becoming less frequent, often due to erratic with her often erratic behavior blamed.

32:20AdamIn 2005, after a downward progression, a heroin addiction, and eventual homelessness, she was admitted to hospital for a collapsed lung, hepatitis C, and a heart infection.

32:30Adamwhile she was in hospital, she missed a court appearance over an alleged assault, and, basically was going to go to jail.

32:37Adambut she managed to avoid this by opting into the court appointed rehab program, which sort of got her off got her off the smack.

32:44Adamand then but she was really close friends with Chloe Saveni.

32:48ChrisSo say when did you say when did you say this was?

32:50AdamThat was 2005.

32:51ChrisFive.

32:52AdamAnd then, Chloe Saveni sort of like encouraged her to to keep trying to do stuff, you know, to do more, you know, go get back on the horse.

32:58ChrisThat's Yeah.

32:59ChrisI guess she's clearly.

33:00AdamBecause she'd done a lot of stuff.

33:03AdamShe'd done a lot of amazing things.

33:03ChrisShe's clearly got skills and.

33:05AdamYeah.

33:06ChrisYeah.

33:06AdamWhile while she was, you know, while she was

33:10Adambattling addiction issues and stuff like that, she was she was still working, she was still in quite a few films.

33:16AdamAnd yeah, so she sort of went back most through stage and then got more film and TV roles and stuff like that.

33:25LeeI sort of get the impression that that she almost brings.

33:26LeeHer real life philosophy to her characters sometimes, not not specifically but yeah.

33:31LeeIt's like it's interesting how it it feels like you're getting something real from her.

33:41AdamThen in 2012, she actually had to have open heart surgery because of the amount of damage that the drugs had done to her.

33:50AdamAnd yeah, I mean it's, I mean, it's she's a tough bastard.

33:55LeeYeah.

33:56AdamYou know, it's very, it's quite Deadpool, you know.

33:58ChrisYeah.

33:59AdamVery quite Deadpool, you know.

34:01AdamBut yeah, I think so you've got that.

34:03AdamYeah, well, yeah, anyway, but yeah.

34:06AdamYes, but it's still.

34:07AdamBut it's still, it's still.

34:09AdamAnd she's in a remake of a bucket of blood.

34:12AdamWhich is one of the films that does get mentioned in this, because I think they that's one of the posters at the start.

34:16LeeYeah.

34:17AdamSo.

34:17LeeOh, yeah.

34:17AdamYeah.

34:18LeeBecause like you said.

34:19LeeYou like.

34:19AdamThat.

34:20LeeThat's a remake of Bucket of Blood.

34:21AdamYeah, that's the one he's in, the the remake, the, 1995 TV remake, apparently.

34:25LeeOh, I don't.

34:26LeeI must have it.

34:27LeeI need to rewatch the original, I saw that I saw that once when I went through a period when I first kind of suddenly realized that I liked black and white horror that wasn't the original stuff.

34:32LeeLike I suddenly started picking up on the 50s and 60s stuff.

34:34LeeYeah, and just went through a spate of just watching tons of them.

34:38Leeyeah, and I watched it then, but again, I watched so many at that time, they all kind of blended into into one, unfortunately.

34:44LeeSo.

34:45LeeI should take it back off the shelf and give it another go.

34:47AdamYou said.

34:48AdamPatrick Bristow.

34:49LeeNo.

34:50AdamDid you say that?

34:50LeeNo.

34:51AdamOkay.

34:51AdamHe's in Samera and X-Men, did you see that?

34:55LeeBecause I hadn't.

34:56LeeI was.

34:56LeeI didn't.

34:57AdamOh, I see.

34:57AdamI remember.

34:58AdamI think he was, yeah.

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35:03AdamI think he was in it.

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35:10AdamNo, he was.

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35:11AdamSo I definitely do think he was.

35:13LeeThat's good.

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