The Tomb of Ligeia

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:28 Lee and we're here this evening with spoilers and swearing to cover 1964's The Tomb of Ligeia.

0:36 Lee a film which I have just seen on the IMDB is apparently X-rated. I have no idea why.

0:45 Chris Well, there is the hottest feline action we may have ever seen in a film that that we've covered.

0:55 Adam Oh, I don't know, you have to go a long way to beat The Uncanny.

0:58 Lee Yeah.

0:59 Chris Well, that is true, but especially where this one ended in a huge flames engulfing everything.

0:07 Chris I think literally it was hot as well as figuratively.

0:12 Chris But I'm sure I'm sure no animals, cats or foxes were harmed for this.

0:17 Chris Although it did look like Vincent Price might have might have taken a bit of a swipe.

0:23 Chris I'm I'm guessing it was a stunt double.

0:27 Chris But it was like it looked like it was still him and he.

0:28 Lee Yeah, straight in his face.

0:30 Chris Yeah, straight in his face.

0:32 Chris And I was like, was that him?

0:33 Chris It did look like it was still him.

0:34 Chris But I didn't rewind and check or, you know.

0:36 Adam No.

0:37 Adam Vincent Price was an animal lover, so I'd imagine he didn't have too much worry with that.

0:42 Lee Which.

0:43 Lee Which is what makes me laugh, the the scene in which he's supposed to be strangling the cat and he's got his hand around its throat and the noise is going And that cat couldn't be more chill.

0:54 Lee He was obviously being so kind to that cat.

0:57 Lee I was like.

0:58 Lee Yeah, the sound isn't made.

0:59 Lee But anyway, sorry, we've jumped ahead.

0:10 Lee So,

0:12 Lee this, so I've seen this a couple of times, I believe, enough for the to want to go and see the Abbey, which is why we decided to cover it.

0:22 Lee I went to the Abbey where it was shot, a couple of weeks ago and checked that out and it was amazing.

0:29 Lee Adam, what's your history with this movie?

0:33 Adam

0:34 Adam This would have been a, I'm assuming I don't know the history of it, but I'm assuming like, don't have the proper schedule, it feels like I would have seen it as a Friday night double bill, possibly with a universal because this kind of would have been the more color.

0:37 Lee Yeah.

0:46 Adam This would have.

0:46 Adam This would have fulfilled the Hammer role that those things used to have.

0:49 Adam So, I.

0:51 Adam Basically, I was I know I know I saw it, but.

0:57 Adam it hadn't been for a long time.

0:59 Adam I've got it on Blu-ray, but this is actually the first time watching it on Blu-ray because this was one of those moments a few years back when money was more plentiful.

0:10 Adam That Arrow would do a sale.

0:11 Adam And it's like, I can get.

0:12 Adam Apart from Mask of the Red Death, I can get all the Corman Poe Vincent Price films.

0:20 Adam So I bought them up at that point.

0:22 Adam And, yeah, so this is probably definitely the cleanest I've seen it in a in a long, long time.

0:30 Lee Yeah, I watched my Midnight Movies Double Bill DVD.

0:35 Lee So it's this on one side and then the other side is an evening with Edgar Allan Poe, which is just Vincent Price reading Poe.

0:43 Adam Oh, yes.

0:44 Lee but yeah, I've got that one.

0:46 Adam That's good.

0:47 Adam Is that the one where he keeps saying Bozom?

0:48 Lee Possibly, I I've only watched it once.

0:51 Lee but yeah, I I've got to admit, I think, just before we hand over to Chris, I think this is possibly my least favorite of the Corman Poe films.

0:58 Lee It the end 10 minutes is brilliant, everything running up to that just doesn't grab me.

0:10 Lee I must have had to say no out loud to myself.

0:13 Lee and put my phone down at least five times before I got to the end of this.

0:16 Lee so yeah, that just tells you everything.

0:18 Lee But Chris, as it's your first viewing, why don't you give us your opinions?

0:24 Chris It is, and I want to start by saying that, it seems like it's been a long time since we've watched Vincent Price.

0:35 Chris Not for you two.

0:38 Adam we covered him a fortnight ago, didn't we?

0:40 Chris Yeah, that's true.

0:40 Chris Did we?

0:42 Chris Yeah, yeah.

0:43 Chris You did.

0:43 Chris But I was like, have I, have I seen him recently?

0:46 Chris Like.

0:46 Adam So last time would have been episode, so I've just because I've actually written it down.

0:51 Lee Oh, well done.

0:51 Adam Episode 148, The Pit and the Pendulum was the last time we did.

0:56 Chris Now, 148 sounds like quite high, but what are we on now?

0:59 Lee 200.

0:10 Chris Yeah.

0:10 Adam Well done.

0:11 Chris Yeah, yeah.

0:11 Chris So.

0:13 Chris So I do remember Pit and Pendulum, yep, okay.

0:17 Chris Yeah.

0:18 Adam Before that it would have been Raven.

0:19 Adam

0:20 Chris Yes, yep.

0:22 Adam And then, which obviously two other from the Poe cycle.

0:26 Chris Poe, yeah.

0:26 Adam so that seems to have been the sort of line we've been taking with Vincent.

0:29 Chris So yeah, like I really like him reading some of what are clearly Poe pieces, you know, it's very obvious.

0:38 Adam Yeah, you can see what's directly the text and not just.

0:42 Chris Yeah.

0:42 Chris And and I really like that.

0:44 Chris I suppose it's.

0:45 Chris For me, I I feel like I'm at the point where I could probably watch Vincent Price in anything.

0:51 Chris Now, I realize you two also still there.

0:53 Chris But it's like I've reached that point where it's like he's he's just.

0:57 Chris It's really enjoyable knowing what you're going to get.

0:11 Chris Whereas the first few films, you know, you're getting used to it a little bit, even though you're clearly, you can see how impressive he is.

0:18 Chris It's like fully appreciate it.

0:20 Chris I did happen to hear Thriller recently and heard his voice and I was like, yes, this great, you know, really like that now.

0:27 Adam Which I think I think probably for me and me and Lee was probably.

0:30 Adam One of the first encounters with Vincent Price.

0:32 Lee Definitely.

0:33 Chris Well, it turns out when that voice was on.

0:36 Adam Yeah.

0:36 Chris You hear it.

0:37 Chris You're like, that's great.

0:38 Chris Now realizing just, you know, who he is.

0:42 Lee Who he is.

0:43 Chris He's yeah, all of his legacy.

0:45 Chris Like it's like, yeah, okay.

0:46 Chris That's that's really exciting now when that comes on.

0:49 Chris In fact, that's almost like, you know, that's almost the best bit of the song.

0:53 Lee Yeah.

0:53 Adam Yeah.

0:54 Chris But but yeah.

0:55 Chris So I think it's going to be hard to separate that from any film that I watch with him.

0:59 Chris So it's that probably ramps up almost any film.

0:10 Chris So I I really liked this.

0:12 Chris Obviously, I mean.

0:13 Chris I'm assuming Adam does really like this even if it's not your favorite, Lee.

0:16 Lee I still enjoy it.

0:17 Lee It's just my least favorite of the.

0:19 Chris No, that might still be a pretty high bar.

0:21 Chris You know.

0:21 Lee Exactly.

0:21 Adam Can I just ask at this point, are you including The Premature Burial in that, Lee?

0:26 Adam Because that's the one that he's that Vincent Price isn't in.

0:28 Adam And I can't for the life of me remember a thing about that film.

0:31 Lee Nor can I.

0:31 Lee It's on the shelf, I I really need to to go back and re-watch it.

0:34 Adam Again, let's face it, you want to go for the Corman Poe cycle.

0:37 Adam No, that that is the Poe Corman Price cycle.

0:40 Adam That's what it is in your head, even though there's one that doesn't have Vincent Price in it.

0:44 Adam No, that's the criteria I'm heading for that.

0:46 Chris So what what are the other Corman films we've seen?

0:49 Adam so yeah, so we did The Pit and the Pendulum.

0:51 Chris That that yeah.

0:53 Adam And we did.

0:53 Chris The Raven was his as well then or no.

0:55 Adam Yeah, the Raven the Raven is there.

0:56 Adam Because that's based on the poem.

0:57 Adam And we did Tales of Terror really early on.

0:59 Lee Yes.

0:59 Adam That was that was episode 19.

0:10 Chris Remind me.

0:12 Adam And that is the one that's basically three Poe stories in like an anthology.

0:18 Adam And you've got the.

0:19 Chris Right.

0:21 Adam What is it the case of M. Valdemar.

0:23 Adam The Black Cat.

0:25 Adam And.

0:25 Chris Yeah, I was going to say the cat.

0:27 Chris There was a cat in it.

0:28 Adam And Lado.

0:29 Chris

0:31 Adam So that's where they get the the one where someone they so it's got the three.

0:36 Chris Yep.

0:37 Adam Which actually probably makes sense because like this is I read Ligeia this afternoon.

0:44 Chris Oh.

0:45 Adam And.

0:46 Chris I was going to you either you either read.

0:48 Adam Like high speed.

0:49 Adam It's it's 10 pages.

0:51 Lee Oh, is it?

0:51 Chris Yeah.

0:52 Adam Yeah, it's really, really short.

0:54 Adam And that's the thing is because literally I because I just in my head.

0:58 Adam I was like, right, now I've read it and I know I've seen the film and I know the film's different.

0:11 Adam But I wanted to sort of clear in my head, like just experience the story.

0:14 Adam The story is literally him telling you that.

0:20 Adam

0:21 Adam It's like a a reminisce, it's like a sort of a conversational remembrance of someone talking to you about.

0:27 Adam he met this woman Ligeia who was extraordinary, both in appearance and mind and was a fierce, like sort of cultist intellectual.

0:37 Adam who dies.

0:39 Adam He's obviously he then basically does a load of opium.

0:44 Adam buys a ruined Abbey.

0:47 Adam And then somehow, because it's really sort of quickly in the text, you suddenly realize he's remarried.

0:54 Lee Huh.

0:55 Adam So, you know, just just like, but.

0:57 Chris Just that yeah, that's that's clearly quite incidental to him.

0:10 Adam Yeah.

0:10 Adam Yeah.

0:10 Adam And.

0:10 Adam And.

0:11 Adam And basically.

0:12 Chris Which it turns out.

0:13 Chris Yeah.

0:13 Adam And then and then she dies.

0:14 Adam And then basically, yeah, she dies and then the body comes back to life.

0:19 Adam But then she takes like the wrapping.

0:20 Adam The shroud from around her face and it's Ligeia rather than the

0:27 Adam Oh.

0:27 Adam Trevelyan.

0:28 Chris Rowena.

0:28 Adam I can't think what the name.

0:30 Adam Tremain.

0:31 Adam Oh my brain is completely doing.

0:32 Lee Lady Rowena.

0:33 Chris Trevelion.

0:34 Adam Travanian.

0:34 Adam Yeah, that's it.

0:35 Adam Yeah, Rowena, yeah.

0:36 Adam Which I thought was just why they kept going in IT Crowd that time.

0:42 Adam But Oh, Black book.

0:43 Adam Sorry, yes.

0:43 Lee Black books.

0:47 Adam But yeah, so it's.

0:50 Adam I

0:51 Adam So yeah, that so literally everything else is built around that.

0:54 Adam There's no.

0:55 Chris Expanded reasonably well then.

0:57 Adam They've expanded it but when you hear the script writer.

0:59 Adam talking about it, he basically is like, oh yes, a man who's been hypnotized into being a necrophiliac.

0:10 Chris Yeah.

0:11 Adam You like.

0:12 Adam Yeah.

0:13 Adam When you put it like that, it's quite fucking blunt.

0:14 Adam You know.

0:15 Chris Yeah.

0:16 Chris He did seem, you know, reasonably obsessed by by what looked like dead women.

0:20 Lee I got that bit dropped me, I had forgotten that bit.

0:24 Lee Yeah, with a, you know, when they go into the chamber and she's just laying in the bed and I was like, oh.

0:29 Adam Yeah.

0:29 Lee I didn't remember that being a thing.

0:33 Adam You're certainly thinking Trakinko, that's what that.

0:36 Lee That.

0:37 Adam But and but I I think Elizabeth Shepherd who plays Rowena and Ligeia,

0:44 Chris And yeah.

0:50 Adam She's really good, but it's the bit where she's hypnotized and she's she's speaking as Ligeia.

0:57 Adam And you haven't heard Ligeia speak, but you know, oh, no, that's her voice, it's just it's just lower and even and.

0:10 Lee Yeah.

0:10 Adam Fucking terrifying, you know.

0:12 Adam And that little switch there is really really great, I think.

0:15 Adam I think this.

0:15 Adam You know.

0:15 Adam It's it's a it's a good cast.

0:17 Adam You know, Vincent Price.

0:18 Adam You know, it's it's you know, there's.

0:21 Chris Yeah, I think I do think they work well together.

0:24 Chris All all three of them in this this weird love triangle of death and cats.

0:31 Lee I mean, it's lovely as well.

0:33 Lee That's the other thing, you know, although I say it's possibly my least favorite.

0:36 Lee There's some really weird shots in there.

0:38 Lee The shot where she where they're chasing the fox and it's proper weird shaky cam.

0:43 Lee I liked that.

0:44 Lee And the bit when they do the they do a zoom up to Vincent Price's face when he out.

0:49 Adam Yeah.

0:50 Lee And it sort of they they speed up that zoom.

0:52 Lee And it gives it a really weird sort of jiggle was it, and it just really odd.

0:57 Lee Like and I remember that shot.

0:58 Lee I said I think I've watched it once, possibly twice, not for at least 15 years, but that is the shot I remember.

0:10 Lee Is just that funny hicle pickle zoom into his face.

0:12 Lee Where it just.

0:13 Chris Yeah.

0:13 Chris They they really are trying to accentuate the psychological aspect, I guess.

0:18 Chris It's another one of those films that what is real and what is all in his mind, what is in in theory, Ligeia's mind, if she is alive or not.

0:28 Chris And what is in Rowena's mind.

0:31 Adam And that's very much the the thing of Poe.

0:34 Adam That's why I think I think they're good adaptions in that sense because Poe is very.

0:37 Adam Hallucinatory or sort of, you know, it's one, it's basically like being accosted by someone at the end of their tether.

0:47 Lee Yeah.

0:48 Adam You know, or I've just been accosted by a sort of mad man in the street who has to tell you his story.

0:54 Adam But it's sort of, you know, and so again that is.

0:59 Adam The best way to do Poe because I know that because that's the thing.

0:10 Adam He's he's.

0:13 Adam Like Tales of Terror is probably the best idea because they made an anthology of it rather than because.

0:21 Adam Extrapolating from Ligeia the story to Tomb of Ligeia the film.

0:28 Adam Yeah.

0:28 Adam There's a lot more and it's also there's also a lovely sort of element of.

0:32 Adam Right, well we've got to do Poe bingo.

0:35 Lee Yeah.

0:36 Adam You know.

0:36 Adam And sort of right, premature burial tick, you know, black cat tick, you know.

0:42 Adam It sort of Vincent Price tick.

0:43 Adam It's.

0:46 Chris No, so I thought the Mesmer and hypnotism aspect was very interesting.

0:50 Chris That that made that quite prominent in this.

0:52 Chris Again.

0:53 Chris What.

0:53 Chris You know, how much of it is true, and you could imagine based on the time that this was sitting.

0:59 Chris I'm assuming that was perhaps the time where it was peak.

0:10 Chris People not understanding the power of mesmerization and.

0:14 Lee Yeah, mesmerism.

0:15 Lee Yeah.

0:15 Chris Yeah.

0:16 Adam Hypnosis.

0:16 Chris Yeah.

0:18 Adam I mean, I still think there is a there's a fairly high level of that.

0:23 Chris Yeah.

0:24 Adam Because it is.

0:25 Adam It is because it is one of the it's really is one of the tropes.

0:29 Adam Of, you know, the someone hypnotic, particularly in horror.

0:32 Lee Yeah.

0:33 Adam You know.

0:33 Adam And I still think that there are probably people out there where it's like.

0:35 Adam Oh, no, that, you know, oh, no, it wasn't.

0:39 Chris But.

0:39 Adam You know, she genuinely was eating an onion as if it were an apple.

0:43 Lee Yeah.

0:44 Chris Yeah, and I saw her.

0:45 Chris But then the way that's like, you know, also sort of leading into almost the dark power over someone, witchcraft and, you know.

0:53 Chris Because you tend to think of hypnosis not as

0:58 Chris Evil.

0:59 Lee Probably.

0:59 Chris Cult like that, yeah, cult, yeah, like, but.

0:03 Chris Yeah, I wonder how people sort of were thinking of it, in comparison to those.

0:07 Chris And, yeah, and like Ligeia been able to control people from.

0:11 Chris Beyond the grave, beyond.

0:11 Adam Yep.

0:13 Chris Yeah, then.

0:15 Chris Yeah, that's pretty good.

0:16 Adam But because that's the thing is it's all about the the force of will.

0:19 Adam Whereas it's in.

0:20 Chris Yeah.

0:21 Adam You know.

0:21 Adam But there is the sort of.

0:24 Adam There is the sort of hint that, oh, no, Ligeia Ligeia is in the cat.

0:29 Chris

0:30 Adam But her her soul is actually.

0:32 Lee That's how I remembered it it being her soul in the cat and then yeah, so when I watched it and it wasn't that at all.

0:35 Lee I was like, oh, it's not what I remember.

0:38 Lee But.

0:40 Lee but yeah, it it's good it is a good bit of misdirection.

0:43 Lee Because you think you've got a handle on it from the beginning, so when it when it turns at the end in the last 10 minutes and you realize that isn't the case and you find out where he's really been going and what's been going on.

0:55 Lee It's yeah, it's actually a good twist.

0:59 Adam It's well, I mean, the thing is with it.

0:01 Adam And I I kind of get where they were coming from, but apparently Roger Corman and Robert Town who the screenwriter, they didn't want to cast Vincent Price.

0:10 Chris

0:12 Adam Because they were because they said basically because he was too old.

0:18 Adam Because they the way they saw it was that the character was, who was it they I know they did say a name.

0:28 Adam Oh, Richard Chamberlin, yeah.

0:29 Adam And.

0:30 Adam You know, they they basically, they wanted some sort of like dashing sort of 20 to 25 to 30 year old sort of Heathcliff, Mr. Darcy sort of figure.

0:43 Lee Yeah.

0:44 Adam You know, sort of dashing but troubled, like a Brody sort of, you know, sort of bachelor.

0:51 Adam And then and at this point Vincent Price is 53 in this.

0:54 Adam So, you know.

0:56 Adam But the but basically it was AIP who said, no, you've got to have Vincent Price in it.

0:01 Adam Because that's what sells these films, you know, it's that.

0:07 Lee Absolutely.

0:08 Adam But I it's it's weird because I kind of get, like you say, there's the element of the twist.

0:14 Adam But because it's Vincent Price, you know that it probably will end, you know.

0:21 Adam It.

0:22 Lee In it's going to end in a dungeon with fire and.

0:25 Adam Yeah.

0:25 Adam He's not it there's no element of being misunderstood.

0:31 Lee Yeah.

0:31 Adam You know.

0:32 Adam He's like, well, what's he doing, I'll tell you what he's doing, he's creeping out at night and he's digging out bodies.

0:37 Adam That's what he's doing.

0:38 Adam You know, it's.

0:41 Chris He did seem to play a more subtle role in this.

0:42 Adam He's the burbs.

0:45 Lee Yeah, he's the burbs.

0:46 Adam Yeah.

0:47 Lee Yeah, he did again, this reminds me more of like The Pit and the Pendulum, which again is a very similar sort of story-wise, but yeah, he does play a much more subdued character in this.

0:55 Lee Which I think works well, I mean, it's.

0:01 Chris It does do it well.

0:02 Lee Yeah.

0:02 Adam I think he plays fucking anguish and sort of, you know, losing your bloody mind really rather well and rather poignantly.

0:15 Adam I think, you know, that's that's the key is it's actually is, I think he's a lot better than they probably gave him credit for.

0:23 Lee Yeah.

0:24 Lee Oh, yeah, yeah.

0:26 Adam You know, he is really, you know, it's a very pained existence thing, you know.

0:34 Adam There's no, it's not like a sort of.

0:38 Adam You know, it's there's there's no winner or no sort of like, you know.

0:43 Adam It's just, oh, here's suffering and here's some more suffering.

0:46 Lee And it's all.

0:48 Chris Psychological power of grief.

0:51 Lee It's a very unusual relationship as well, isn't it, because obviously she turns up, he immediately grabs her and starts shaking her, never turn up here unannounced, and then two minutes later, he's trying to kiss her in the pantry.

0:01 Adam I didn't I didn't see him touch your pantry.

0:10 Lee But yeah, so it is a slightly.

0:12 Lee And again, it's her statement when she first leaves with the other guy, with Christopher, and he says, well, what did you think of him, and she said, well, I don't like him much, but it doesn't mean I don't love him, and I was like, literally, you just met him two minutes ago and he scared you so badly, you fainted immediately.

0:32 Adam I think I think she said fascinated or something like that.

0:34 Adam It's like, yeah, sort of who who want is drawn to.

0:39 Lee Yeah.

0:40 Adam And it's like, yeah.

0:41 Adam But that, I mean, chatting cabbages and everything else like that, you know, it ain't gonna work.

0:47 Adam It's sort of you know, it's.

0:54 Lee one of my favorite things about this film, it's got to be said, the opening title sequence, those three drawings that keep coming up again and again.

0:01 Lee It look like a Slayer album.

0:04 Lee It's fantastic, I love those.

0:07 Adam Yeah.

0:08 Adam and and the the poster for it is fucking brilliant.

0:11 Lee Yeah.

0:14 Adam Just that giant angular cat head.

0:16 Lee Yeah.

0:17 Adam And it's just again, and he's got the, he's got the small faces glasses on as well.

0:23 Adam So it feels quite.

0:23 Lee Yeah.

0:24 Adam Feels quite swinging.

0:26 Adam You know.

0:28 Adam So.

0:29 Adam

0:36 Adam I got to we got to the end and I was like, I fucking know this.

0:41 Adam It's just a particular bit shot of the flames with the masked fig the shrouded figure coming out towards Vincent Price and a bit of Vincent Price.

0:53 Adam and I was like, I bloody know that.

0:56 Adam And I had a look and it's it's in Mean Streets.

0:01 Adam Scorcese film they all go to the cinema at one point and that's what they're watching.

0:04 Lee

0:04 Adam And but the weird thing is it was like, right, I've clearly not seen fucking Mean Streets.

0:07 Lee Oh.

0:08 Adam Recently enough either, because, you know, there would have been a time I would have just been like, oh, Mean Streets.

0:13 Lee Straight off.

0:15 Adam Yeah.

0:16 Adam and the other thing was is.

0:18 Adam that it is also what's it called Elvira's Haunted Hills, there is a another Elvira movie.

0:27 Lee There is, yes.

0:28 Adam And which is basically the Tomb of Ligeia with Richard O'Brien playing the Vincent Price role.

0:39 Adam He's even got the glasses.

0:41 Lee Yeah.

0:41 Adam So.

0:43 Chris And that's good.

0:44 Lee Yeah, I I like it, I I think it's a a good fun movie.

0:48 Lee

0:50 Lee But yeah, I just like a comedy.

0:52 Lee It it's very much it is, but you can feel it's very much lower budget than the first one.

0:56 Lee But it was made a long time after, so I think

0:03 Lee Yeah, I don't think she was quite the commodity that she had been, obviously, when she was, you know, still running her horror nights and stuff.

0:10 Lee

0:11 Lee But yeah.

0:12 Adam I think I.

0:12 Adam I think in in fairness, I also think it's like they've done a genuine attempt to make an Elvira horror comedy.

0:21 Adam Because Elvira Mistress of the Dark is a horror comedy, but it's it it's not done like a horror film, if you see what I mean.

0:30 Adam Whereas that feels much more like they've right right, it's like how Young Frankenstein is universal, they've kind of gone, right, we're doing the Corman Poe films.

0:40 Lee Yeah.

0:40 Chris

0:45 Adam And if and if you pick up on it, you get it, but it's like it's not.

0:50 Lee Yeah, you don't miss out.

0:51 Adam Yes, exactly, yeah.

0:52 Adam It's just an added like layer into it.

0:58 Lee Yeah, it's a it's a shame when I went to to visit the Abbey, it's a shame I hadn't seen this for such a long time.

0:02 Lee Because I remembered the look of it very clearly, which is why I went when we were sort of looking up places to go, as soon as I saw the Abbey, I was like, that's the one from the Tomb of Ligeia, it's got to be, so I went and Googled it and double checked and it was.

0:16 Lee

0:17 Adam Halter Lake a Priory.

0:18 Lee It is, yes, yes.

0:20 Lee oh yeah, it's a great day out.

0:23 Lee yeah, we really enjoyed it.

0:25 Lee But I wish I'd seen the film and maybe taken a few sort of screenshots from it and tried to replicate them more when I was there, but yeah.

0:36 Adam It's by the way, it was also the ruins of Dungarth in Nightmare, you know the kids TV show where you they put a helmet on a kid and he comes to his screen and they send him around a warehouse.

0:48 Lee Yeah.

0:50 Adam Great them blue screen as he would have been then a load of puppets on the walls.

0:55 Lee Yeah.

0:56 Adam It's it's for so it was using that.

0:59 Chris Did anyone ever complete that?

0:02 Lee I didn't.

0:02 Chris I can't remember.

0:03 Adam Did you?

0:04 Adam Only only when they did a like they did a marathon on Challenge one weekend and I was like.

0:09 Adam I fuck it, I I've got a weekend, I'm watching that.

0:13 Chris I'm here, I'm in for this.

0:15 Adam Yeah.

0:16 Adam And yeah, no.

0:18 Adam A few people won, but fuck me, most most did not, I don't think.

0:24 Chris It was funny, how futuristic that was at the time.

0:27 Lee It was, yeah.

0:28 Lee It was so chunky now.

0:30 Lee I need to go back and re-watch it, I'm sure they're all on, you know, YouTube or whatever.

0:34 Adam Oh, they they must be and they they're always.

0:36 Adam It's it's there's I don't the good thing is is having grown up with it, you don't feel like you're shouting at children, you're shouting at people your own age and.

0:48 Chris Oh.

0:48 Adam Say turn left, you fucking idiot.

0:51 Chris It was it was frustrating.

0:55 Adam And obviously they go to Stonehenge.

0:57 Lee Yes.

0:58 Adam It was well.

0:59 Adam And that's like, oh, yeah, when you could.

0:02 Lee Yeah.

0:02 Chris Yeah.

0:04 Adam You know, they just they just rocked that one up one evening with with the cameras and just and wondering.

0:10 Lee Yeah.

0:10 Adam Wander around starting.

0:17 Adam I do want I I do have to oh, yes, I do have to read this quote.

0:21 Adam So, like I was saying about like they didn't want Vincent Price to be to be in it.

0:27 Adam And this is what the the script writer said, I think it would have been better if it had been with a man who didn't look like a necrophiliac to begin with.

0:36 Lee Yeah.

0:37 Adam I love Vincent, he's very sweet, but going in, you suspect that Vincent can bank cats, chickens, girls, dogs, everything.

0:45 Adam You just feel necrophilia might be one of his basic things.

0:50 Adam I'd felt for the role called for an almost unnaturally handsome guy who the second wife could easily fall in love with.

0:57 Adam So, yeah, that was but yeah.

0:59 Adam I mean, a lovely way to talk about.

0:01 Adam Talk about yeah, talk about your star, isn't it, you know.

0:06 Adam There's I was I was really pleased to say though, because this was filmed over here.

0:11 Adam there's lots of there's lots of British people in there.

0:15 Adam And you've got the Captain Peacock turns up as one of the servants at the Travanian house.

0:18 Lee Yes.

0:23 Adam there's the doctor who is Slasty Bartfast from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and the radio.

0:33 Adam And and he was in Village of the Damned.

0:33 Lee No.

0:34 Adam and actually Captain Peacock was in Carry on Screaming.

0:37 Adam So, you know, they're all these weird people that are actually returning.

0:38 Lee Yeah, he's in Carry On Films, wasn't he?

0:42 Adam Yeah, yes he is.

0:43 Adam Yeah.

0:43 Adam That's it.

0:44 Adam And but yeah, and we're watching it.

0:48 Adam Because Lord Travanian is fucking fantastic, he's just such a sort of like.

0:52 Adam He is me and Claire were trying to work out what we'd seen him in.

0:56 Adam And we were like, is it Black Adder?

0:01 Adam It was like the he was that right level of sort of, you know, sort of comedically upper class prat.

0:09 Adam You know, that it would be, you know, he would have been.

0:13 Adam And

0:14 Adam And actually, I've got a hand in I've got to hand in my notice as at a Doctor Who fan because it was Claire who realized we'd watched him in Doctor Who, a story called The Romans.

0:28 Adam In which he plays Nero and he's an absolute fucking awful bastard.

0:35 Adam He's just he is exactly the same thing, he plays it like a fucking toddler.

0:40 Adam He's brilliant in it.

0:42 Adam And

0:43 Lee I.

0:44 Adam But yeah, and he's in like loads of hammers and carry-ons and stuff like that.

0:48 Lee That's why as soon as I saw him, I was like, I'm sure I know him from a carry on, but I can't remember.

0:51 Lee It might be carry on camping, is he the father with the shotgun, possibly.

0:55 Adam He is.

0:56 Adam Yes, he's the farmer.

0:59 Adam Yeah.

0:59 Lee Yeah.

0:01 Adam Yeah.

0:01 Adam He's in Carry On Henry and Carry On Matron as well.

0:04 Adam Oh, and Carry On Doctor.

0:06 Adam And he's in Jabberwocky, which I've got to fucking watch again soon.

0:08 Adam I just feel a re-watch of Jabberwocky coming on.

0:11 Lee Oh, I've only seen that the once with you and that was a very long time, that was well before we moved here, so it was over 16 years ago now.

0:18 Adam Yeah, I'm just yeah, just just feeling the Gilliam itch, I think.

0:22 Adam Which does sound like a terrible medical problem.

0:29 Lee Yeah, I I the thing is.

0:31 Lee I say this is my as I said, I think this is possibly my least favorite, but.

0:37 Lee The whole time I was watching it, I was thinking, I need to dig the rest of this collection out.

0:42 Lee Because I've got them all scattered around on shelves.

0:45 Lee

0:46 Lee And I I do need to go back and rewatch it.

0:48 Lee Because they are so rewatchable.

0:49 Lee They're nice and short and.

0:52 Lee Yeah, just, you know, generally pretty well paced and, you know, get to the considering they're very, very loosely based on stories that sometimes, you know, are four or five pages long and they manage to get an hour and 20 minute film out of it.

0:08 Lee

0:08 Lee But yeah, I I just I always find them enjoyable, they're great for watching in bed at night because they're interesting, but they're subdued enough that it's not going to suddenly, you know, wake you up and upset your sleep.

0:22 Adam Yeah, they're also that's the good thing they're also that's sort of they're lovely and and sort of woozy.

0:27 Lee Yeah.

0:28 Adam But don't tend to break that.

0:29 Adam They just sort of, oh, that was another thing.

0:32 Adam Apparently, you know, there is the the dream sequence in this.

0:36 Lee

0:37 Adam apparently that's not in slow motion, they just told them to move slowly.

0:41 Lee Oh, really?

0:43 Chris And then I suppose the effect they apply gives it they give it shimmering soft dream, yeah, soft sort of edges effect, don't they.

0:55 Adam soft focus and then yeah, and they just get everyone to move slowly.

0:58 Adam But that did sort of feel like an inverse of Garmarera and Giga.

0:03 Adam They can't afford slow mo, so you'll just have to move slowly, guys, come on.

0:09 Adam Don't add the crank this camera, you know.

0:14 Lee Yeah, it's it's I just I love the all the interior stuff as well.

0:18 Lee I don't obviously, I'm assuming that was all sound stage.

0:22 Adam Yeah, I think so.

0:23 Adam It's only it's only but that's the thing is I think this is the only one that's got any location shooting at all.

0:29 Lee Yeah.

0:30 Lee I think it is.

0:30 Adam The rest of them are all entirely studio bound, aren't they.

0:34 Lee Yeah, and then I think they're all like matte paintings for the external stuff.

0:38 Lee So yeah, I think this is the only one that's shot outside.

0:41 Lee So it does look very different.

0:42 Lee But I I thought it did a really good job of it and yeah, I mean, such a great location to use.

0:46 Lee So the so the Abbey itself is obviously ancient ruins.

0:50 Lee But then the Tudor bit that's on it, when he carries her through that massive arch into the new, that's actually there.

0:57 Lee They did just kind of.

0:58 Adam Oh.

0:59 Lee Build a Tudor building on the side of the Abbey that's still it's not used now.

0:02 Adam Oh, well.

0:02 Lee but yeah, it's that's I mean, that's hundreds of years old now as well.

0:06 Lee But yeah, it it's really strange that they've got this, you know, 800 year old Abbey or whatever.

0:12 Lee And then after it crumbled down, I'm assuming, they just suddenly tacked this Tudor building on 400 years later.

0:22 Lee But yeah, it's it is very cool to walk around, so if you ever get the chance, do go and see it.

0:27 Adam I think I have to because it looks it looks bloody amazing.

0:30 Lee Yeah.

0:31 Adam It weirdly enough, I think it's one of those things where I'm like, why haven't I seen more shot here?

0:35 Adam That's why because that's why I looked it up.

0:37 Adam Because I was like, well, if Jim Lair's done it, you know, there's probably a few more and I said Nightmare was the only thing I could find particularly.

0:45 Adam So, yeah.

0:48 Lee Yeah, it's a shame because yeah, it's a fantastic location.

0:50 Lee It's again, it's one of those, it's like a Grimdyke Manor or Oakley.

0:54 Lee Where you just assume it's in almost anything that you watch, you know, horror related, but yeah, it doesn't doesn't show up as much as it deserves.

0:01 Adam Yeah.

0:02 Chris I've got a few, few nearly final thoughts as to why I like this, dual identity, Gothic realism, will over death, pure willpower can possibly transcend mortality.

0:10 Chris Psychological possession, cat as mesmeric familiar, romantic horror and death as seduction.

0:15 Lee Nice.

0:16 Lee I mean, they are all selling points.

0:17 Adam Are they are they are you just trying out like names for perfumes?

0:20 Lee Yeah.

0:21 Lee Or taglines for Columbo episodes.

0:25 Adam Oh, yeah.

0:26 Lee

0:27 Adam Death of seduction is that that would frankly be any any I think.

0:35 Chris Could add the the love triangle part, but we won't go too far back down that route.

0:40 Lee Yeah.

0:41 Chris With with possibly litigated ourselves.

0:46 Adam That's is that Vincent Price state.

0:49 Adam Is is that the tagline of the film then, is it?

0:52 Chris it's love triangle of death.

0:56 Adam It's a love triangle, but one of the corners is dead.

0:01 Adam It's it's there we go.

0:03 Adam It's a dry run weekend at Bernie's.

0:05 Lee Yeah.

0:06 Adam So.

0:08 Lee so for our next episode.

0:10 Lee We don't have anything penciled in, I just realized.

0:15 Adam Oh, shit.

0:16 Chris Right, there you go.

0:17 Chris There's there's the challenge for this.

0:18 Chris This one, which one of you is going to be the first to come up with the thing we watch next.

0:22 Chris Right, you got you got like one minute left, go.

0:26 Adam Oh, shit.

0:27 Lee We have four minutes until the timer ends.

0:30 Chris I'm sure you mentioned something earlier and I thought, oh, that sounds like something we could watch.

0:34 Chris And now I have no idea what it was.

0:37 Chris I think it was no, it was something that you both said, I think.

0:40 Chris Neither of you've seen or you possibly don't like.

0:42 Chris And it's like, well, maybe we should watch something that.

0:44 Adam Oh.

0:44 Adam Oh, the premature burial, the only Corman

0:48 Chris So neither of us like.

0:48 Chris

0:50 Adam What was it?

0:51 Adam The Premature Burial, the only Corman Poe said.

0:55 Chris Oh, yes, yes.

0:57 Chris There you go.

0:57 Chris Yeah.

0:58 Adam Should we?

0:59 Lee Yeah, Lee doesn't look too excited about that.

0:01 Lee He's like, I just watched one that I'm not that keen on, now you're making me watch another one that I'm not that keen on.

0:05 Lee What's what's the point of this?

0:06 Adam See, I'm I'm wondering, do we need to step away or, you know.

0:11 Adam Break break the Post.

0:12 Chris Go go for.

0:13 Adam Yeah.

0:14 Adam We need to sort of like anti-Poe.

0:18 Lee Anti-Poe.

0:19 Chris That's another fragrance name, isn't it?

0:21 Lee Yeah.

0:23 Lee

0:23 Lee Yeah.

0:24 Lee I'm trying to find some.

0:25 Chris I'm sure you.

0:26 Lee Yes.

0:27 Adam Well, we haven't done the mummy.

0:28 Lee Oh.

0:29 Lee We haven't.

0:30 Lee And we've been saying we need to do that for ages.

0:32 Adam We haven't done the mummy, we've had the mummy.

0:35 Chris Oh, oh.

0:36 Lee Yeah.

0:37 Lee Adam's excited.

0:37 Lee Lee's excited.

0:38 Lee It's it's all happening.

0:39 Adam Oh, it's just we haven't done a mummy.

0:40 Lee It's kicking off in these last few minutes.

0:43 Lee We were going to do it.

0:43 Lee Wait, wait.

0:45 Lee No.

0:45 Lee Something came up.

0:47 Chris Does it.

0:48 Chris Does it include my my most loved actor of all time.

0:53 Lee Oh, no, we're going back to the original Boris Karloff.

0:56 Chris This this is right back.

0:58 Lee Yeah, yeah, we're not going with the terrible Tom Cruise.

0:01 Chris The modern remakes.

0:02 Adam I'd forgotten that happened.

0:03 Lee Yeah.

0:04 Lee You know.

0:06 Chris Do you only do the one?

0:06 Lee Yes.

0:06 Chris Does it.

0:07 Lee Yes.

0:08 Lee I think it was supposed to be the beginning of the new dark.

0:10 Lee What do they call it?

0:11 Chris All right.

0:11 Chris It was so bad.

0:12 Lee Yeah.

0:13 Lee They just they tried twice, two different movies and just couldn't get it.

0:14 Chris I had forgotten that happened.

0:15 Lee Yeah.

0:17 Adam There we go, folks.

0:19 Adam We'll be back with you in a Fortnight's time for The Mummy.

0:20 Lee Yeah.

0:20 Adam From 1930, whatever, Mummy with Boris Karloff, all right.

0:23 Lee Universal.

0:24 Chris You can do the rest.

0:25 Lee Yeah.

0:27 Lee Perfect.

0:28 Lee Right, thanks ever so much for listening, everybody, have a have fun, go and check out all of the Corman Poe Price films.

0:35 Lee Go and check out, The Mummy and we will see you in a Fortnight's time.

0:39 Lee Good night.

0:40 Adam Good night.

0:41 Chris Good night.