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0:22 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:29 Lee We are here for the second half of our exhaustive but incredibly entertaining, Hand of the Baskervilles deep dive, I guess you'd call it.

0:41 Adam This has been, this has been the deepest dive we've ever done.

0:45 Lee It has.

0:46 Adam This is deep in the Sherlock.

0:49 Lee But it's amazing.

0:50 Adam It certainly is.

0:50 Lee It's amazing how all four of them, I'll try and leave the original, the Hammer one out of tonight and not keep going back to it.

0:58 Lee But it's amazing how the same story can be told in such entirely different styles.

1:01 Lee And I love every single one of them in its own way.

1:06 Adam Yeah, absolutely.

1:08 Lee That is a spoiler alert, there will be spoilers, and there will be swearing, but, you know, it's 100 years old.

1:12 Lee If you don't know the story, the Hand of the Baskerville.

1:14 Adam Hopefully, and if you listen to our last episode, you may have a little hint as to what happens in the story.

1:20 Chris Yes, that's very true.

1:22 Lee so, without further ado, we are going to skip our what we've been watching segment again as we did last week because we've got a lot to cover.

1:28 Lee And also, but very quickly before I do that, I just want to say, I have watched another of the Masters of Horror, I watched Homecoming last night, the Joe Dante one.

1:37 Chris How was that?

1:38 Lee Good.

1:39 Adam Yeah, that's great.

1:40 Lee Very good, and it's a good run. We've just watched Joe Dante, the next one is Deer Woman with John Landis, and I think after that it's John Carpenter's Cigarette Burns, so, oh, what a trilogy.

1:47 Adam I'll tell you what, that's, that's the weird thing is, because you get, I personally think that might be why they stuck Dance of the Dead right near the beginning.

1:50 Adam

1:51 Adam Because literally the quality just really ramps up as it sort of this sort of run through, yeah.

1:59 Chris Can't wait for that.

2:00 Lee Right, so, as previously mentioned, we've covered three versions of The Hand of the Baskervilles.

2:05 Lee

2:15 Lee We have covered the Jeremy Brett Granada version from 1988.

2:21 Lee

2:27 Lee We have covered the Pete and Dud version from 1978. And we have also covered the, Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss version from 2012.

2:36 Chris 12, yeah.

2:37 Lee Yeah.

2:37 Lee It's funny because it still seems like it was two years ago.

2:40 Lee

2:42 Lee I think that's me getting old as.

2:44 Adam The weirdest thing is is watching it is 2012, because that series of Sherlock, the first episode went was broadcast over New Year's Day.

2:55 Lee Yeah.

2:56 Adam So, like, so, so it was 2000, like January 1st, 2012 was when it went on, and then they just showed the next three over the course of a week.

3:04 Lee Oh, nice.

3:06 Adam And well, it was great, apart from how long it then got before you got a third series.

3:11 Lee Yeah.

3:11 Adam Because you've been building up to it, and they literally sort of like just, they just shut your wad in a week, and you were like, oh, fuck, we're not getting another series of this for ages because they're all big stars now.

3:18 Adam

3:19 Adam Oh, shit.

3:22 Adam

3:23 Adam And also, and this is this needs to go on record.

3:28 Lee Yeah.

3:29 Adam When you those bits of him up on the tour on Dartmoor, like Benedict Cumberbatch, all those shots were in a trailer.

3:38 Adam

3:44 Adam And the music was David Holmes's, Story of the Ink.

3:48 Adam And it was like the BBC's trailer for Sherlock.

3:50 Adam And it was first shown straight after the 2011 Doctor Who Christmas special.

3:56 Adam And that advert was the best thing about the Doctor Who 2011 Christmas special.

4:04 Chris Yike.

4:05 Adam Which was fucking shocking.

4:06 Lee Oh, really?

4:07 Lee

4:08 Adam And thank, thank you Sherlock for just not making me like take a header out of a window.

4:15 Adam Because it was just so, yeah, it was just pitiful.

4:18 Adam And, yeah, so that.

4:21 Lee Well, thank you for.

4:22 Lee

4:27 Lee I'm sure that many people in the audience will be agreeing.

4:28 Adam Arabella Weir and Bill Bailey are in it, wasted.

4:33 Adam

4:38 Adam And you're just like, nah, nah, you've, you're, nah.

4:42 Adam This is this this is absolute twaddle.

4:45 Adam

4:45 Adam No. Anyway.

4:47 Adam Sorry, we're here for Sherlock.

4:49 Lee We are.

4:50 Lee Adam, as this is your brain child.

4:54 Lee

4:56 Lee Which of the three would you like to start with?

4:58 Adam well, I mean, we've got options.

5:00 Adam

5:02 Adam We've got chronology.

5:03 Lee Yeah.

5:04 Adam so which would be Pete and Dud, Jeremy Brett and, Sherlock.

5:12 Adam Or, and this might be the more interesting way to go with it, is maybe look at the Jeremy Brett first because that's the closest to the source material.

5:20 Adam

5:25 Adam And obviously you've read the book, so you can sort of see that that is definitely the closest of any of them.

5:31 Lee I was absolutely staggered how close it is.

5:34 Lee

5:37 Lee Because a lot of the others cut, you know, they cut Laura Lyons out and stuff, obviously for run time.

5:41 Adam Yeah.

5:42 Lee everything in it, like even the, you know, the dialogue is almost pitch perfect.

5:46 Lee

5:51 Lee But before I, I'll get way too excited because I love this version.

5:56 Lee Chris, is this your first introduction to Jeremy Brett's Sherlock?

6:00 Chris Yes, yeah.

6:01 Lee Welcome.

6:03 Chris Yeah. So, so I was, I was going to say, is that the closest adaptation? It sort of had, you know, the feel out of all of these that it, I mean, I assumed Pete and Dud and Sherlock was not.

6:12 Chris

6:12 Chris but I wasn't sure, yeah, which was closest out of Hammer and Jeremy Brett.

6:18 Chris

6:20 Chris I kind of thought it was Jeremy Brett.

6:22 Adam And also the Hammer.

6:23 Adam The Hammer version, like we said, definitely ramps the the sort of horror element of it and changes who the villain is at the end as well.

6:33 Adam As well.

6:34 Adam Because you have, I mean, fuck me, how many times have I watched this story in the past two weeks.

6:42 Adam

6:46 Adam I still can't just can't remember her name.

6:48 Chris Well, yes, after watching all of them, it does get next to.

6:51 Adam Bear all stage.

6:53 Adam And she becomes the villain rather than the sort of heroin in the Hammer version.

7:01 Adam

7:10 Adam Which is how all of them have it.

7:11 Adam Apart from the Hammer one which just starts bang in that story, so it's like, oh, this, oh, right, okay, and now we're, now we're Dr. Mortimer.

7:19 Chris Yeah.

7:20 Adam Oh, that must be Sherlock Holmes.

7:21 Adam

7:28 Adam Okay, that's been like 15 minutes of debauched chaos.

7:31 Adam

7:32 Chris What have I forgotten about?

7:34 Adam So, yeah, so I mean this one's the Interestingly enough, the one thing, and correct me if I'm wrong, Lee, because you've read it recently.

7:40 Adam

7:40 Adam Doesn't Lestrade turn up towards the end of Hand of the Baskerville?

7:49 Lee yes, yes.

7:50 Lee So, on the, the final day, yeah, Sherlock Holmes calls, sends a telegram and gets him to come down, and it's the three of them who are laying in wait.

7:59 Lee

8:01 Lee So, in the Jeremy Brett one.

8:03 Adam Oh, yeah, because they pretend to go back to London, don't they?

8:05 Lee Yes.

8:06 Adam And that's when they meet up with the Lestrade who's coming in.

8:08 Adam

8:09 Adam Yeah.

8:09 Lee Yeah.

8:10 Lee Whereas in the, in the Jeremy Brett one, of course, they take Dr. Mortimer with them as their, their third man.

8:16 Adam Yeah.

8:16 Adam

8:25 Adam we would, you know, you brought us, you brought me the case. So, I would like to, would you like to be there for the end of it?

8:29 Lee Yeah.

8:29 Adam You know, it's a really lovely touch, but it's, but then it's weird because obviously Sherlock, which is the Sherlock one from 2012.

8:35 Adam

8:46 Adam Then kind of is the only one that brings Lestrade in of any of the adaptions I've seen of Hand of the Baskerville.

8:50 Lee Yeah.

8:50 Adam Despite how sort of completely different their plot and story and everything is.

9:00 Adam but it's the only one that sticks to that of having Lestrade turn up, which is just which I just thought was a weird a weird thing.

9:06 Adam

9:09 Adam But obviously in this, so you've got Jeremy Brett's Homes.

9:11 Adam

9:12 Adam What did you think, Chris?

9:13 Adam

9:15 Adam I mean, he is, yeah.

9:16 Chris Yeah, I can see, you know, that's it's well done. It's and obviously it follows the the story the closest.

9:21 Chris

9:22 Chris So it's going to be kind of a classic.

9:24 Chris

9:25 Chris For that reason. It gets a little harder.

9:28 Chris I perhaps I should have watched it that way.

9:30 Chris

9:34 Chris After seeing Pete and Dud, a lot of that sticks in the mind.

9:37 Chris

9:38 Chris At the moment, even just that scene, and obviously we've gone completely away from Jeremy Brett, but like, how long they can make a scene about a one-legged man going for a job where two legs is really the minimum requirement for this job, and and how gently he tries to go through.

9:51 Lee I think that is actually a Pete and Dud sketch that they had adapted to fit into the show.

9:56 Chris It did seem a bit random really, but just

9:59 Chris

10:01 Chris Because the whole thing like you said.

10:02 Chris Like they're going to make this comedy of this story, you think, I don't know if that'll work.

10:11 Adam It's the well, the weird thing is, and this is another thing that I think's great about watching them all.

10:14 Adam

10:18 Adam Is how accurate Pete and Dud's version is to the story.

10:23 Chris Yeah.

10:24 Adam Because you get, I mean, admittedly it's in a different reason because Holmes does stay in London, he doesn't travel down to Dartmoor and stoke them. he does stay in London to visit a brothel and take his laundry round to his mum's.

10:40 Chris Wow.

10:41 Adam

10:42 Adam But it's still has that thing going on, and you've still got all the characters, you've got Mortimer, you've got the Barrymore or the Barrymans, I think they are in the Pete and Dud one.

10:49 Adam

10:51 Adam And it sort of oddly sticks quite close to the plot.

10:57 Chris Yeah.

10:58 Chris

11:00 Chris broadly, it follows all the events.

11:01 Chris

11:03 Chris But, yeah, the details are very different.

11:04 Adam Oh, exceedingly.

11:05 Adam

11:06 Adam Yeah.

11:06 Lee But, yeah, I think, I think you can see now, Chris, why Adam and I are all, I'm sure we've mentioned, Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes multiple times over the last hundred odd episodes.

11:13 Lee

11:14 Lee I'm sure we've mentioned, Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes multiple times over the last hundred odd episodes.

11:17 Lee

11:24 Lee I think once you've seen Jeremy Brett do Sherlock Holmes, nobody else will do.

11:27 Lee

11:31 Lee But he's just got it.

11:33 Lee

11:47 Lee And the way his mannerisms are described, he just puts them exactly as as you imagine it.

11:51 Lee

11:52 Lee He's I think Adam.

11:53 Lee

12:00 Lee We discussed it before, I think we're saying there was a famous photograph of him with this old copy of of the book.

12:05 Adam Yes.

12:05 Lee offset and it's so battered where he literally lives with the damn thing, like everything is so close to that book.

12:12 Adam Because he got, because that was the thing, is he got kind of into it much the same as you got with Peter Cushing, where Peter Cushing sort of brought his own clothes and was suggesting lines because he was a real Sherlock aficionado, Sherlock Holmes, Conan Doyle aficionado.

12:25 Adam

12:25 Adam And Jeremy Brett really did much the same, he really dove into them and studied them and pulled them apart and that, Lee's right.

12:36 Adam

12:40 Adam There is a picture of it. If I can find it, I'll put it up on the Instagram.

12:44 Adam and it's just Jeremy Brett and he's holding his complete Sherlock Holmes collection.

12:52 Lee yeah.

12:52 Lee

12:52 Adam Yeah.

12:53 Adam And it's like it's like a leather, bound thing, like sort of like it's like quite a nice copy, but it is fucked where he has just poured through it.

13:02 Adam

13:06 Adam And there's annotations and big bits of paper stuck in there and it's falling apart, but it's, it's turned into like this sort of like maniac's phonebook of like, but it's all where Jeremy Brett sort of like was just like.

13:16 Adam

13:16 Adam Of like.

13:16 Adam

13:29 Adam And he much like Peter Christian, he was but so much more so because obviously he was doing it for a longer time.

13:31 Adam

13:40 Adam So he was putting in a lot of the stuff such as, like nailing the the the letters to the mantelpiece with a knife and things like that.

13:52 Adam

14:01 Adam And, keeping tobacco in a slipper that hangs off the side of the mantelpiece and, you know, and, and ITV, like Granada, when they were producing it.

14:04 Adam They really, it was like that was their flagship, you know, they were like, we're really going to put everything into this.

14:14 Adam

14:15 Adam And it chose because the the Baker Street set is.

14:19 Adam

14:21 Adam I I mean, I presume it's gone now.

14:24 Adam But the Baker Street set was next to their Coronation Street set.

14:32 Lee Yeah.

14:32 Adam And it was a permanent set, so that whole street that they go down is a is a back lot.

14:38 Adam That they had.

14:41 Lee I just checked, they did.

14:43 Lee Between the three seasons, so between, let me just bring it up, so the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes was 13, then the Return of Sherlock Holmes was 11, and then the Casebooks of Sherlock Holmes was nine.

14:54 Lee

14:56 Lee So there were 33 episodes they did in total.

14:58 Lee

14:59 Lee That's crazy.

15:00 Adam And there's the memoirs as well.

15:03 Lee Oh.

15:03 Adam So Casebook, I think it's Casebook is six and memoirs is six.

15:07 Lee Oh, yeah.

15:07 Lee

15:08 Lee Another six.

15:09 Lee

15:09 Lee Yeah.

15:10 Adam Yeah.

15:10 Adam And the, oh, no, yeah, it's nine with Casebook because they would include the specials.

15:18 Lee Yeah.

15:19 Adam So Hand of the Baskervilles, yeah, because they did, so first series was the first two series were called Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.

15:25 Adam

15:25 Adam So first series was the first two series were called Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.

15:30 Adam And it was a different guy playing Watson, his name's David Burke, who was a proper dashing sort of Watson.

15:38 Adam

15:42 Adam It's a he's a really, really good Watson.

15:44 Lee You have seen him actually, Chris, he's in two of the Ghost Stories for Christmas.

15:48 Chris Oh, yeah.

15:49 Lee

15:49 Adam Yeah.

15:49 Lee

15:49 Lee Yeah.

15:50 Adam Yes, he's, he was in the, number 13 and, oh, he's in from the Hill.

15:57 Lee From the Hill.

15:58 Adam That's it. Sorry, thank you, yeah.

16:01 Adam

16:01 Adam yeah, and he's in that as like an older, obviously, well, obviously an older gentleman because, you know, this was the this was early 80s.

16:09 Adam

16:15 Adam And yeah, and but he's like a really good foil to Jeremy Brett.

16:17 Adam

16:22 Adam And so, but the good thing, but sorry, the good thing is, so Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.

16:25 Adam which was 84 and 85, ends with the final problem, which is the story where Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes.

16:32 Lee Yeah.

16:33 Adam yeah, and then.

16:35 Adam

16:36 Adam but then David Burke, who was originally playing Watson, left to join the Royal Shakespeare Company, so the actor who you saw in Hand of the Baskervilles is a guy called Edward Hardwick.

16:44 Adam

16:45 Adam who then is Watson for the rest of the series.

16:53 Adam But the clever sort of clever or accidentally brilliant thing serendipitous thing.

16:59 Adam

17:01 Adam Is that Edward Hardwick is an older man.

17:04 Adam You know, he's he's a probably, I think he's about sort of like 10 years older than David Burke.

17:13 Adam

17:13 Adam Yeah.

17:14 Adam And so, when Holmes comes back in, because they do, the next two series are then called The Return of Sherlock Holmes, which was 86 to 88.

17:26 Adam

17:26 Adam And they start with the story of the Empty House where Holmes comes back, but Holmes is meant to have been missing for about three years.

17:37 Chris Oh.

17:38 Adam Or or or, you know, declared dead for three years.

17:42 Adam

17:48 Adam And so it's quite nice because it is like Watson has aged in that time.

17:50 Lee Yeah.

17:51 Chris Yeah.

17:52 Adam And he's sort of, yeah, he's, but yeah, and I, but it's really weird.

17:55 Adam

17:59 Adam I can't really separate between the two.

18:02 Lee Yeah.

18:02 Adam Because I think they both really did it so well, but they do it in a different context.

18:07 Adam

18:12 Adam Because Edward Hardwick is only doing it from the point of the Watson who loses his friend and mourns him and moves on.

18:18 Adam

18:22 Adam And then Holmes comes back.

18:25 Adam

18:38 Adam Which is the one we watched.

18:39 Adam

18:52 Adam And then the final series in 94 was the Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes.

18:56 Adam

19:01 Adam And the only reason they stopped was because, Jeremy Brett died in 194, in 1995.

19:07 Adam

19:08 Adam And that's, you know, that was, that was the reason they stopped.

19:12 Adam

19:19 Adam But they actually did, there's 60 stories in total, like Conan Doyle stories.

19:23 Adam

19:26 Adam And they, they adapted 42 of them.

19:28 Lee Yeah.

19:29 Adam

19:32 Adam Over the over the time.

19:33 Adam

19:35 Adam So, you know, they, there was.

19:36 Adam

19:44 Adam And to be fair, I think a few of the ones that they sort of didn't do were, you know, they were running out of ones that had a bit of meat to them.

19:50 Lee Yeah.

19:50 Adam Rather, you know, it was getting to the point where it was like, oh, this, this is maybe a 10-page story, but we'll turn it into a special or something like that.

19:58 Adam

20:00 Adam So.

20:02 Lee Yeah.

20:03 Lee But he's just got that, I love his facial expressions because I, although it isn't funny, I do find myself laughing the whole just with admiration for his abilities as an actor. I mean, he just, like his little things, like his little snide comments and laughs and the way he sort of his eyes dart about.

20:19 Lee

20:24 Lee And he's got that, he's described in the book as being having like a cat-like agility.

20:26 Lee

20:36 Lee Perfect to the book.

20:37 Adam And he's sort of like that cat thing, he does, there's bits where he sort of, he's literally sprawled, and just leaps up, and it's like, right, come on, Watson, we're going, you know, and it's sort of, it is that same sort of thing of like from absolute lethargy to, you know, right, right, action now.

20:51 Adam

20:51 Adam Now.

20:52 Adam

20:52 Adam Now.

20:52 Adam And, but I think, yeah, I think that's,

20:57 Adam

21:01 Adam They, it's really, it's really interesting over the time as well.

21:03 Adam

21:10 Adam Because they kind of not not to the detriment of it or anything else like that.

21:16 Adam

21:20 Adam But they do explore the fact that Holmes is probably driving himself mad.

21:23 Lee Yeah.

21:24 Adam which is again something that sort of, Sherlock touches on, which is much more the sort of a human characteristic, you know, the of of this inhuman sort of person.

21:37 Adam

21:37 Adam Because funnily enough, that was that was something that Claire said about with Sherlock.

21:43 Adam

21:47 Adam Is she said, is he is he is sort of.

21:50 Adam rude, abrupt and clearly sort of, you know, I said, is he a dick?

21:59 Adam Yeah.

22:00 Adam That was that was the term.

22:02 Adam

22:02 Adam Yeah.

22:02 Adam And it a weird thing because I think just Holmes's character translated to now is much more abrasive than it appears in a Victorian setting.

22:12 Adam

22:12 Adam Because everyone was much more reserved or, you know.

22:16 Adam

22:21 Adam Do you know what I mean?

22:22 Adam

22:23 Adam People weren't really, everyone was, yes, good evening, sir, and and how may I help you, and I'll bring you through, and if you'd like to sit there, and, I'll tell you a story of once when I found a magic whistle.

22:33 Adam

22:33 Adam Whistle.

22:34 Adam

22:38 Adam So, and,

22:39 Lee It is, and it's.

22:40 Lee

22:42 Lee Like you said, like with his delivery to, to Mortimer when he's talking about his skull.

22:45 Lee And he sort of kind of laughs and puts his hand up, and he says, behave yourself and sit down.

22:50 Lee

22:51 Chris Yeah.

22:51 Adam Yeah. That's that's the thing.

22:54 Adam

22:56 Adam They bring out that proper humor, and it brings out that lovely Holmes, Watson interplay as well.

23:01 Adam

23:02 Lee Yeah, I, I love the look of the Jeremy Brett one as well.

23:07 Lee

23:08 Lee They seem to get that sort of that Victorian look.

23:11 Lee

23:14 Lee As you say, I mean, because it's obviously a permanent set.

23:16 Lee

23:18 Lee It's it's a lot better dressed and everything.

23:21 Lee But yeah, it just it's got such an amazing feel.

23:24 Lee

23:26 Lee And it does all the way through.

23:28 Lee

23:29 Lee You know, all four of the series.

23:31 Adam Yeah.

23:32 Lee but yeah, it's one of the things I like most about it is its look and feel.

23:36 Lee

23:36 Lee It's it's very low grade color, everything looks realistic.

23:40 Lee

23:44 Lee Unlike the Hammer one where, you know, all the reds and everything are turned up to 11.

23:47 Lee

23:47 Lee On this it's a lot more dialed down, it's got a really nice natural feel to it, and it feels kind of smoggy and.

23:52 Chris Yeah.

23:53 Lee Yeah.

23:54 Lee Cold.

23:55 Lee

23:55 Lee Almost.

23:56 Adam And again, that's that's a lovely scene.

24:00 Adam

24:02 Adam When Watson comes in and he's just coughing.

24:05 Adam

24:09 Adam Because he's just been sat in there smoking all afternoon.

24:12 Adam He says, this atmosphere's poisonous.

24:16 Lee Yeah.

24:17 Adam That's what they get that's they get that Watson Holmes affectionate sort of.

24:23 Adam

24:25 Adam interplay quite well.

24:30 Adam It's like that like the bit where he's, he gives him the food that he's cooked.

24:35 Lee Yeah.

24:36 Adam Sorry, this is quite disgusting.

24:40 Lee Yes.

24:41 Adam Yes, it is.

24:44 Lee Yeah, just great.

24:45 Lee

24:49 Lee Just love those two together. And as you say with the with the previous Watson as well.

24:52 Lee

24:53 Lee I thought they worked really well.

24:55 Lee

24:58 Lee So, yeah, I was glad they got someone.

25:00 Lee

25:08 Lee I'm not sure if it's going to carry over so well.

25:12 Lee

25:15 Lee But yeah, it it did. It was as you say, almost seamless.

25:18 Lee

25:18 Lee So.

25:19 Adam I think.

25:20 Adam

25:28 Adam I think because I was a bit too young because when I was watching it when it, because I sort of watched it around pretty much as it went out.

25:31 Adam

25:31 Adam and,

25:34 Adam I think I'm just a bit too young to remember David Burke, like that because that would have been like 84 or whatever like that.

25:43 Adam

25:43 Adam So in my head it was always Edward Hardwick more.

25:45 Adam

25:49 Adam So when I went back and saw the earlier ones, I had that same thing of like, oh, am I going to.

25:51 Adam

25:53 Adam And actually it's like, no, no, he's brilliant.

25:55 Adam

25:55 Adam So.

25:56 Adam Because the because the weird thing was is that the Sherlock Holmes or Conan Doyle estate were very, oh, sniffy about who adapted Sherlock Holmes.

26:08 Adam

26:09 Lee

26:09 Adam And they would never let an ITV.

26:12 Adam

26:13 Adam company, which for American listeners, it's the first independent television company is ITV, and it's a series of fran local franchises, essentially.

26:22 Adam

26:23 Lee Is that what the eye stands for?

26:25 Adam Yes.

26:26 Adam

26:27 Adam Independent Television.

26:28 Lee Never knew that.

26:30 Adam Yeah.

26:30 Adam And so, because obviously BBC is state, so it was meant to be, and that's why it's commercials and so on and so forth.

26:39 Adam

26:40 Lee Yeah.

26:41 Adam

26:41 Lee Each day it kills millions of virus.

26:46 Adam And the the.

26:49 Lee Sorry.

26:49 Lee Sorry, I was trying to open another tab on my, thing on my to to look, I was trying to remember who played the, because I was going to say they're not sniffy now because they let, and I couldn't remember Robert Downey Jr's name.

26:58 Lee

26:58 Lee So I was just opening another IMDB tab, and it had a fucking advert on it, so I apologize.

27:05 Adam Well, what did they do?

27:07 Adam Do Sherlock Holmes?

27:08 Lee Two of them, yeah.

27:10 Adam Yeah.

27:11 Adam Guy Ritchie fucking directed them.

27:13 Lee

27:14 Adam Yeah, I know.

27:15 Chris I haven't seen him, I'll be honest.

27:16 Lee I've seen them.

27:17 Lee

27:17 Adam Both.

27:18 Adam I was going to say, you've never really spoke that highly of them.

27:20 Adam

27:21 Adam So, I'm like, no.

27:21 Adam

27:22 Adam I know.

27:22 Adam Because me and you, we we agree very much on Sherlock.

27:26 Lee Yes.

27:26 Adam Of what's good and bad.

27:28 Adam

27:29 Adam So.

27:30 Chris Was Guy Ritchie Lock, Stock?

27:31 Adam Yes.

27:32 Chris Okay, that's probably the only.

27:33 Chris

27:34 Chris Film I think I know of from here.

27:35 Adam It's a little bit like it's lots of like fast cut editing and like tricks.

27:39 Adam

27:39 Lee So, I mean, some of it's.

27:41 Chris I might not hate that.

27:42 Lee It's got its all right bits.

27:43 Lee

27:47 Lee Like when you see, at one point, Watson goes to find Sherlock Holmes.

27:50 Lee

27:55 Lee And he's basically involved in an illegal brawl in a warehouse with a load of people watching.

27:58 Lee

28:03 Lee Because he thinks everything through.

28:06 Chris Yeah, okay.

28:07 Lee

28:14 Lee Before it actually kicks up.

28:15 Lee

28:16 Lee Which, you know.

28:16 Chris You have reminded me, I did quite like that effect in Sherlock where they show his mind working and they show the different graphics text come up.

28:24 Adam The mind.

28:25 Chris

28:25 Chris The mind palace.

28:26 Chris

28:27 Chris Yeah.

28:27 Chris Like that is quite a nice way to sort of really see a mind at work, yeah, it does let you sort of fully appreciate it.

28:34 Adam Yeah.

28:34 Adam

28:35 Chris Which.

28:36 Adam

28:36 Adam Sherlock also has also has that lovely thing of doing text messaging as subtitles.

28:42 Lee I love that.

28:43 Lee

28:46 Lee I think that's such a clever way of getting that information across.

28:47 Lee

28:48 Adam Which which I understand was, that was the.

28:51 Adam

28:52 Adam That was something that the director brought in.

28:54 Lee Oh.

28:55 Adam it was the same director as the film Gangster Number One.

28:59 Adam

28:59 Adam Oddly.

29:00 Adam but yeah, that was, like that was a technique he introduced into it, like Moffat and Gatiss said, oh, no, that was entirely him.

29:08 Adam

29:08 Adam We just felt it was brilliant, so we, we ran with it, you know.

29:14 Lee Yeah.

29:14 Adam

29:14 Adam But.

29:16 Adam But yes, so basically the Conan Doyle estate were very sort of like sniffy about who they'd let adapt the thing.

29:21 Adam

29:22 Adam And then in 1980, I think it was 1984, they, the 100 years copyright on the first batch of Sherlock Holmes stories, finished.

29:34 Lee Yeah.

29:35 Adam So,

29:36 Adam

29:37 Adam Yeah, so it's 100 years is like literary copyright, and then after that, so at that point, ITV knew they would be at like an ITV company would then be able to adapt it because they didn't have to seek those rights.

29:45 Adam

29:46 Lee

29:47 Adam essentially the thing becomes public domain, to a greater or lesser extent.

29:52 Adam

29:52 Adam I still think they, you know, there's no doubt royalties and things go somewhere.

29:57 Adam

29:58 Adam But.

29:58 Adam

30:02 Adam Essentially, yeah, anyone can anyone can adapt them.

30:04 Adam And it's just so ironic that they'd obviously been really champing at the bit to do these.

30:09 Adam

30:09 Lee

30:10 Adam And like Conan Doyle estate were just like, no, you're not doing it because you're toddering and you're ITV, and we don't even have ITV in this house.

30:17 Adam

30:18 Adam and, yeah, turns out they do like the most consistent sort of TV adaption of Sherlock Holmes.

30:26 Adam

30:27 Adam that is extremely true to the stories and extremely true to the sort of characters and everything else like that.

30:32 Adam

30:33 Lee I think that's.

30:34 Lee

30:39 Lee I've mentioned previously that I'd read, you know, the George Man books and stuff.

30:41 Lee

30:42 Lee that Enola Holmes came out not that long ago.

30:45 Lee Netflix have had a real go at it because they did that and they did, the Irregulars as well, which was a little bit of a miss for me, but not terrible.

30:52 Lee

30:52 Lee Yeah.

30:52 Lee

30:53 Lee and as I as I mentioned, the Warlock Holmes.

30:57 Lee

31:03 Lee As well for tonight.

31:04 Lee unfortunately, I've only gotten halfway through it and run out of time.

31:08 Lee

31:09 Lee but yeah.

31:10 Lee

31:12 Lee They're fantastic as well.

31:13 Lee

31:17 Lee So it's lovely that this material's out there.

31:18 Lee

31:27 Lee Reading through.

31:28 Lee

31:29 Lee It's fantastic.

31:30 Chris

31:30 Chris It's pretty good twist on them.

31:31 Lee So, so Henry turns up, and he's too Canadian, so Watson hates him because he's not British enough, so those two at loggerheads the whole and it's just hilarious. So, yeah, it's it's one of those.

31:44 Lee

31:44 Lee It's one of those.

31:45 Lee

31:50 Lee No.

31:50 Lee

31:51 Lee It's so much fun.

31:52 Lee

31:54 Lee Probably a dozen times.

31:56 Lee

31:56 Lee If not more.

31:57 Lee And, you know, it's I've not read any Sherlock in a long time.

32:00 Lee

32:02 Lee I'm surprised how modern a book it still feels, to be honest.

32:06 Lee It's so well written.

32:08 Adam Extremely readable.

32:10 Adam Conan Doyle's stuff is, yeah.

32:12 Adam

32:12 Adam Never never feels a struggle.

32:14 Adam It's just you're just reading.

32:18 Adam

32:18 Adam You don't have to make allowances for.

32:19 Adam

32:21 Adam Or arcane language or anything.

32:22 Adam

32:22 Adam It's just beautiful.

32:23 Lee Yeah.

32:24 Lee

32:24 Lee Yeah.

32:25 Lee

32:25 Lee Wonderful stuff.

32:26 Lee And go and check out John Dies at the End.

32:28 Lee

32:30 Lee And we will see you all in a fortnite's time.

32:32 Lee Thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

32:34 Lee

32:34 Lee Good night.

32:35 Adam Good night.

32:36 Lee