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After our last episode’s look at Hammer’s “The Hound of the Baskervilles”, we take a deep dive into the great Grimpen Mire, and compare and contrast 3 further adaptations of the classic tale. We cover the 1988 adaptation from the impeccable Granada TV Series starring Jeremy Brett; in which we learn that the great detective was, at best, a mediocre chef. We then discuss “The Hounds of Baskerville” from the modern reimagining “Sherlock” with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman; which leads us to the conclusion that, in modern times, Holmes comes over as much more of a prick than in the Victorian era. And we conclude with Peter Cook and Dudley Moore’s 1978 comedy version; a film which sticks far more closely to the narrative than is strictly necessary for a silly spoof, and introduces the greatest non-Doyle character into the canon: Mrs Ada Holmes. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers, and join us. APOLOGIES FOR ANY SOUND/SPEECH QUALITY ISSUES - THIS EPISODE WAS RECORDED REMOTELY, UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF EXPERIMENTAL NERVE GAS.
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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
LeeWe are here for the second half of our exhaustive but incredibly entertaining, Hand of the Baskervilles deep dive, I guess you'd call it.
AdamThis has been, this has been the deepest dive we've ever done.
LeeIt has.
AdamThis is deep in the Sherlock.
LeeBut it's amazing.
AdamIt certainly is.
LeeIt's amazing how all four of them, I'll try and leave the original, the Hammer one out of tonight and not keep going back to it.
LeeBut it's amazing how the same story can be told in such entirely different styles.
LeeAnd I love every single one of them in its own way.
AdamYeah, absolutely.
LeeThat is a spoiler alert, there will be spoilers, and there will be swearing, but, you know, it's 100 years old.
LeeIf you don't know the story, the Hand of the Baskerville.
AdamHopefully, and if you listen to our last episode, you may have a little hint as to what happens in the story.
ChrisYes, that's very true.
Leeso, without further ado, we are going to skip our what we've been watching segment again as we did last week because we've got a lot to cover.
LeeAnd also, but very quickly before I do that, I just want to say, I have watched another of the Masters of Horror, I watched Homecoming last night, the Joe Dante one.
ChrisHow was that?
LeeGood.
AdamYeah, that's great.
LeeVery good, and it's a good run. We've just watched Joe Dante, the next one is Deer Woman with John Landis, and I think after that it's John Carpenter's Cigarette Burns, so, oh, what a trilogy.
AdamI'll tell you what, that's, that's the weird thing is, because you get, I personally think that might be why they stuck Dance of the Dead right near the beginning.
Adam
AdamBecause literally the quality just really ramps up as it sort of this sort of run through, yeah.
ChrisCan't wait for that.
LeeRight, so, as previously mentioned, we've covered three versions of The Hand of the Baskervilles.
Lee
LeeWe have covered the Jeremy Brett Granada version from 1988.
Lee
LeeWe have covered the Pete and Dud version from 1978. And we have also covered the, Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss version from 2012.
Chris12, yeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeIt's funny because it still seems like it was two years ago.
Lee
LeeI think that's me getting old as.
AdamThe weirdest thing is is watching it is 2012, because that series of Sherlock, the first episode went was broadcast over New Year's Day.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo, like, so, so it was 2000, like January 1st, 2012 was when it went on, and then they just showed the next three over the course of a week.
LeeOh, nice.
AdamAnd well, it was great, apart from how long it then got before you got a third series.
LeeYeah.
AdamBecause you've been building up to it, and they literally sort of like just, they just shut your wad in a week, and you were like, oh, fuck, we're not getting another series of this for ages because they're all big stars now.
Adam
AdamOh, shit.
Adam
AdamAnd also, and this is this needs to go on record.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhen you those bits of him up on the tour on Dartmoor, like Benedict Cumberbatch, all those shots were in a trailer.
Adam
AdamAnd the music was David Holmes's, Story of the Ink.
AdamAnd it was like the BBC's trailer for Sherlock.
AdamAnd it was first shown straight after the 2011 Doctor Who Christmas special.
AdamAnd that advert was the best thing about the Doctor Who 2011 Christmas special.
ChrisYike.
AdamWhich was fucking shocking.
LeeOh, really?
Lee
AdamAnd thank, thank you Sherlock for just not making me like take a header out of a window.
AdamBecause it was just so, yeah, it was just pitiful.
AdamAnd, yeah, so that.
LeeWell, thank you for.
Lee
LeeI'm sure that many people in the audience will be agreeing.
AdamArabella Weir and Bill Bailey are in it, wasted.
Adam
AdamAnd you're just like, nah, nah, you've, you're, nah.
AdamThis is this this is absolute twaddle.
Adam
AdamNo. Anyway.
AdamSorry, we're here for Sherlock.
LeeWe are.
LeeAdam, as this is your brain child.
Lee
LeeWhich of the three would you like to start with?
Adamwell, I mean, we've got options.
Adam
AdamWe've got chronology.
LeeYeah.
Adamso which would be Pete and Dud, Jeremy Brett and, Sherlock.
AdamOr, and this might be the more interesting way to go with it, is maybe look at the Jeremy Brett first because that's the closest to the source material.
Adam
AdamAnd obviously you've read the book, so you can sort of see that that is definitely the closest of any of them.
LeeI was absolutely staggered how close it is.
Lee
LeeBecause a lot of the others cut, you know, they cut Laura Lyons out and stuff, obviously for run time.
AdamYeah.
Leeeverything in it, like even the, you know, the dialogue is almost pitch perfect.
Lee
LeeBut before I, I'll get way too excited because I love this version.
LeeChris, is this your first introduction to Jeremy Brett's Sherlock?
ChrisYes, yeah.
LeeWelcome.
ChrisYeah. So, so I was, I was going to say, is that the closest adaptation? It sort of had, you know, the feel out of all of these that it, I mean, I assumed Pete and Dud and Sherlock was not.
Chris
Chrisbut I wasn't sure, yeah, which was closest out of Hammer and Jeremy Brett.
Chris
ChrisI kind of thought it was Jeremy Brett.
AdamAnd also the Hammer.
AdamThe Hammer version, like we said, definitely ramps the the sort of horror element of it and changes who the villain is at the end as well.
AdamAs well.
AdamBecause you have, I mean, fuck me, how many times have I watched this story in the past two weeks.
Adam
AdamI still can't just can't remember her name.
ChrisWell, yes, after watching all of them, it does get next to.
AdamBear all stage.
AdamAnd she becomes the villain rather than the sort of heroin in the Hammer version.
Adam
AdamWhich is how all of them have it.
AdamApart from the Hammer one which just starts bang in that story, so it's like, oh, this, oh, right, okay, and now we're, now we're Dr. Mortimer.
ChrisYeah.
AdamOh, that must be Sherlock Holmes.
Adam
AdamOkay, that's been like 15 minutes of debauched chaos.
Adam
ChrisWhat have I forgotten about?
AdamSo, yeah, so I mean this one's the Interestingly enough, the one thing, and correct me if I'm wrong, Lee, because you've read it recently.
Adam
AdamDoesn't Lestrade turn up towards the end of Hand of the Baskerville?
Leeyes, yes.
LeeSo, on the, the final day, yeah, Sherlock Holmes calls, sends a telegram and gets him to come down, and it's the three of them who are laying in wait.
Lee
LeeSo, in the Jeremy Brett one.
AdamOh, yeah, because they pretend to go back to London, don't they?
LeeYes.
AdamAnd that's when they meet up with the Lestrade who's coming in.
Adam
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeWhereas in the, in the Jeremy Brett one, of course, they take Dr. Mortimer with them as their, their third man.
AdamYeah.
Adam
Adamwe would, you know, you brought us, you brought me the case. So, I would like to, would you like to be there for the end of it?
LeeYeah.
AdamYou know, it's a really lovely touch, but it's, but then it's weird because obviously Sherlock, which is the Sherlock one from 2012.
Adam
AdamThen kind of is the only one that brings Lestrade in of any of the adaptions I've seen of Hand of the Baskerville.
LeeYeah.
AdamDespite how sort of completely different their plot and story and everything is.
Adambut it's the only one that sticks to that of having Lestrade turn up, which is just which I just thought was a weird a weird thing.
Adam
AdamBut obviously in this, so you've got Jeremy Brett's Homes.
Adam
AdamWhat did you think, Chris?
Adam
AdamI mean, he is, yeah.
ChrisYeah, I can see, you know, that's it's well done. It's and obviously it follows the the story the closest.
Chris
ChrisSo it's going to be kind of a classic.
Chris
ChrisFor that reason. It gets a little harder.
ChrisI perhaps I should have watched it that way.
Chris
ChrisAfter seeing Pete and Dud, a lot of that sticks in the mind.
Chris
ChrisAt the moment, even just that scene, and obviously we've gone completely away from Jeremy Brett, but like, how long they can make a scene about a one-legged man going for a job where two legs is really the minimum requirement for this job, and and how gently he tries to go through.
LeeI think that is actually a Pete and Dud sketch that they had adapted to fit into the show.
ChrisIt did seem a bit random really, but just
Chris
ChrisBecause the whole thing like you said.
ChrisLike they're going to make this comedy of this story, you think, I don't know if that'll work.
AdamIt's the well, the weird thing is, and this is another thing that I think's great about watching them all.
Adam
AdamIs how accurate Pete and Dud's version is to the story.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBecause you get, I mean, admittedly it's in a different reason because Holmes does stay in London, he doesn't travel down to Dartmoor and stoke them. he does stay in London to visit a brothel and take his laundry round to his mum's.
ChrisWow.
Adam
AdamBut it's still has that thing going on, and you've still got all the characters, you've got Mortimer, you've got the Barrymore or the Barrymans, I think they are in the Pete and Dud one.
Adam
AdamAnd it sort of oddly sticks quite close to the plot.
ChrisYeah.
Chris
Chrisbroadly, it follows all the events.
Chris
ChrisBut, yeah, the details are very different.
AdamOh, exceedingly.
Adam
AdamYeah.
LeeBut, yeah, I think, I think you can see now, Chris, why Adam and I are all, I'm sure we've mentioned, Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes multiple times over the last hundred odd episodes.
Lee
LeeI'm sure we've mentioned, Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes multiple times over the last hundred odd episodes.
Lee
LeeI think once you've seen Jeremy Brett do Sherlock Holmes, nobody else will do.
Lee
LeeBut he's just got it.
Lee
LeeAnd the way his mannerisms are described, he just puts them exactly as as you imagine it.
Lee
LeeHe's I think Adam.
Lee
LeeWe discussed it before, I think we're saying there was a famous photograph of him with this old copy of of the book.
AdamYes.
Leeoffset and it's so battered where he literally lives with the damn thing, like everything is so close to that book.
AdamBecause he got, because that was the thing, is he got kind of into it much the same as you got with Peter Cushing, where Peter Cushing sort of brought his own clothes and was suggesting lines because he was a real Sherlock aficionado, Sherlock Holmes, Conan Doyle aficionado.
Adam
AdamAnd Jeremy Brett really did much the same, he really dove into them and studied them and pulled them apart and that, Lee's right.
Adam
AdamThere is a picture of it. If I can find it, I'll put it up on the Instagram.
Adamand it's just Jeremy Brett and he's holding his complete Sherlock Holmes collection.
Leeyeah.
Lee
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd it's like it's like a leather, bound thing, like sort of like it's like quite a nice copy, but it is fucked where he has just poured through it.
Adam
AdamAnd there's annotations and big bits of paper stuck in there and it's falling apart, but it's, it's turned into like this sort of like maniac's phonebook of like, but it's all where Jeremy Brett sort of like was just like.
Adam
AdamOf like.
Adam
AdamAnd he much like Peter Christian, he was but so much more so because obviously he was doing it for a longer time.
Adam
AdamSo he was putting in a lot of the stuff such as, like nailing the the the letters to the mantelpiece with a knife and things like that.
Adam
AdamAnd, keeping tobacco in a slipper that hangs off the side of the mantelpiece and, you know, and, and ITV, like Granada, when they were producing it.
AdamThey really, it was like that was their flagship, you know, they were like, we're really going to put everything into this.
Adam
AdamAnd it chose because the the Baker Street set is.
Adam
AdamI I mean, I presume it's gone now.
AdamBut the Baker Street set was next to their Coronation Street set.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd it was a permanent set, so that whole street that they go down is a is a back lot.
AdamThat they had.
LeeI just checked, they did.
LeeBetween the three seasons, so between, let me just bring it up, so the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes was 13, then the Return of Sherlock Holmes was 11, and then the Casebooks of Sherlock Holmes was nine.
Lee
LeeSo there were 33 episodes they did in total.
Lee
LeeThat's crazy.
AdamAnd there's the memoirs as well.
LeeOh.
AdamSo Casebook, I think it's Casebook is six and memoirs is six.
LeeOh, yeah.
Lee
LeeAnother six.
Lee
LeeYeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd the, oh, no, yeah, it's nine with Casebook because they would include the specials.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo Hand of the Baskervilles, yeah, because they did, so first series was the first two series were called Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.
Adam
AdamSo first series was the first two series were called Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.
AdamAnd it was a different guy playing Watson, his name's David Burke, who was a proper dashing sort of Watson.
Adam
AdamIt's a he's a really, really good Watson.
LeeYou have seen him actually, Chris, he's in two of the Ghost Stories for Christmas.
ChrisOh, yeah.
Lee
AdamYeah.
Lee
LeeYeah.
AdamYes, he's, he was in the, number 13 and, oh, he's in from the Hill.
LeeFrom the Hill.
AdamThat's it. Sorry, thank you, yeah.
Adam
Adamyeah, and he's in that as like an older, obviously, well, obviously an older gentleman because, you know, this was the this was early 80s.
Adam
AdamAnd yeah, and but he's like a really good foil to Jeremy Brett.
Adam
AdamAnd so, but the good thing, but sorry, the good thing is, so Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.
Adamwhich was 84 and 85, ends with the final problem, which is the story where Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes.
LeeYeah.
Adamyeah, and then.
Adam
Adambut then David Burke, who was originally playing Watson, left to join the Royal Shakespeare Company, so the actor who you saw in Hand of the Baskervilles is a guy called Edward Hardwick.
Adam
Adamwho then is Watson for the rest of the series.
AdamBut the clever sort of clever or accidentally brilliant thing serendipitous thing.
Adam
AdamIs that Edward Hardwick is an older man.
AdamYou know, he's he's a probably, I think he's about sort of like 10 years older than David Burke.
Adam
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd so, when Holmes comes back in, because they do, the next two series are then called The Return of Sherlock Holmes, which was 86 to 88.
Adam
AdamAnd they start with the story of the Empty House where Holmes comes back, but Holmes is meant to have been missing for about three years.
ChrisOh.
AdamOr or or, you know, declared dead for three years.
Adam
AdamAnd so it's quite nice because it is like Watson has aged in that time.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamAnd he's sort of, yeah, he's, but yeah, and I, but it's really weird.
Adam
AdamI can't really separate between the two.
LeeYeah.
AdamBecause I think they both really did it so well, but they do it in a different context.
Adam
AdamBecause Edward Hardwick is only doing it from the point of the Watson who loses his friend and mourns him and moves on.
Adam
AdamAnd then Holmes comes back.
Adam
AdamWhich is the one we watched.
Adam
AdamAnd then the final series in 94 was the Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes.
Adam
AdamAnd the only reason they stopped was because, Jeremy Brett died in 194, in 1995.
Adam
AdamAnd that's, you know, that was, that was the reason they stopped.
Adam
AdamBut they actually did, there's 60 stories in total, like Conan Doyle stories.
Adam
AdamAnd they, they adapted 42 of them.
LeeYeah.
Adam
AdamOver the over the time.
Adam
AdamSo, you know, they, there was.
Adam
AdamAnd to be fair, I think a few of the ones that they sort of didn't do were, you know, they were running out of ones that had a bit of meat to them.
LeeYeah.
AdamRather, you know, it was getting to the point where it was like, oh, this, this is maybe a 10-page story, but we'll turn it into a special or something like that.
Adam
AdamSo.
LeeYeah.
LeeBut he's just got that, I love his facial expressions because I, although it isn't funny, I do find myself laughing the whole just with admiration for his abilities as an actor. I mean, he just, like his little things, like his little snide comments and laughs and the way he sort of his eyes dart about.
Lee
LeeAnd he's got that, he's described in the book as being having like a cat-like agility.
Lee
LeePerfect to the book.
AdamAnd he's sort of like that cat thing, he does, there's bits where he sort of, he's literally sprawled, and just leaps up, and it's like, right, come on, Watson, we're going, you know, and it's sort of, it is that same sort of thing of like from absolute lethargy to, you know, right, right, action now.
Adam
AdamNow.
Adam
AdamNow.
AdamAnd, but I think, yeah, I think that's,
Adam
AdamThey, it's really, it's really interesting over the time as well.
Adam
AdamBecause they kind of not not to the detriment of it or anything else like that.
Adam
AdamBut they do explore the fact that Holmes is probably driving himself mad.
LeeYeah.
Adamwhich is again something that sort of, Sherlock touches on, which is much more the sort of a human characteristic, you know, the of of this inhuman sort of person.
Adam
AdamBecause funnily enough, that was that was something that Claire said about with Sherlock.
Adam
AdamIs she said, is he is he is sort of.
Adamrude, abrupt and clearly sort of, you know, I said, is he a dick?
AdamYeah.
AdamThat was that was the term.
Adam
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd it a weird thing because I think just Holmes's character translated to now is much more abrasive than it appears in a Victorian setting.
Adam
AdamBecause everyone was much more reserved or, you know.
Adam
AdamDo you know what I mean?
Adam
AdamPeople weren't really, everyone was, yes, good evening, sir, and and how may I help you, and I'll bring you through, and if you'd like to sit there, and, I'll tell you a story of once when I found a magic whistle.
Adam
AdamWhistle.
Adam
AdamSo, and,
LeeIt is, and it's.
Lee
LeeLike you said, like with his delivery to, to Mortimer when he's talking about his skull.
LeeAnd he sort of kind of laughs and puts his hand up, and he says, behave yourself and sit down.
Lee
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah. That's that's the thing.
Adam
AdamThey bring out that proper humor, and it brings out that lovely Holmes, Watson interplay as well.
Adam
LeeYeah, I, I love the look of the Jeremy Brett one as well.
Lee
LeeThey seem to get that sort of that Victorian look.
Lee
LeeAs you say, I mean, because it's obviously a permanent set.
Lee
LeeIt's it's a lot better dressed and everything.
LeeBut yeah, it just it's got such an amazing feel.
Lee
LeeAnd it does all the way through.
Lee
LeeYou know, all four of the series.
AdamYeah.
Leebut yeah, it's one of the things I like most about it is its look and feel.
Lee
LeeIt's it's very low grade color, everything looks realistic.
Lee
LeeUnlike the Hammer one where, you know, all the reds and everything are turned up to 11.
Lee
LeeOn this it's a lot more dialed down, it's got a really nice natural feel to it, and it feels kind of smoggy and.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah.
LeeCold.
Lee
LeeAlmost.
AdamAnd again, that's that's a lovely scene.
Adam
AdamWhen Watson comes in and he's just coughing.
Adam
AdamBecause he's just been sat in there smoking all afternoon.
AdamHe says, this atmosphere's poisonous.
LeeYeah.
AdamThat's what they get that's they get that Watson Holmes affectionate sort of.
Adam
Adaminterplay quite well.
AdamIt's like that like the bit where he's, he gives him the food that he's cooked.
LeeYeah.
AdamSorry, this is quite disgusting.
LeeYes.
AdamYes, it is.
LeeYeah, just great.
Lee
LeeJust love those two together. And as you say with the with the previous Watson as well.
Lee
LeeI thought they worked really well.
Lee
LeeSo, yeah, I was glad they got someone.
Lee
LeeI'm not sure if it's going to carry over so well.
Lee
LeeBut yeah, it it did. It was as you say, almost seamless.
Lee
LeeSo.
AdamI think.
Adam
AdamI think because I was a bit too young because when I was watching it when it, because I sort of watched it around pretty much as it went out.
Adam
Adamand,
AdamI think I'm just a bit too young to remember David Burke, like that because that would have been like 84 or whatever like that.
Adam
AdamSo in my head it was always Edward Hardwick more.
Adam
AdamSo when I went back and saw the earlier ones, I had that same thing of like, oh, am I going to.
Adam
AdamAnd actually it's like, no, no, he's brilliant.
Adam
AdamSo.
AdamBecause the because the weird thing was is that the Sherlock Holmes or Conan Doyle estate were very, oh, sniffy about who adapted Sherlock Holmes.
Adam
Lee
AdamAnd they would never let an ITV.
Adam
Adamcompany, which for American listeners, it's the first independent television company is ITV, and it's a series of fran local franchises, essentially.
Adam
LeeIs that what the eye stands for?
AdamYes.
Adam
AdamIndependent Television.
LeeNever knew that.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd so, because obviously BBC is state, so it was meant to be, and that's why it's commercials and so on and so forth.
Adam
LeeYeah.
Adam
LeeEach day it kills millions of virus.
AdamAnd the the.
LeeSorry.
LeeSorry, I was trying to open another tab on my, thing on my to to look, I was trying to remember who played the, because I was going to say they're not sniffy now because they let, and I couldn't remember Robert Downey Jr's name.
Lee
LeeSo I was just opening another IMDB tab, and it had a fucking advert on it, so I apologize.
AdamWell, what did they do?
AdamDo Sherlock Holmes?
LeeTwo of them, yeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamGuy Ritchie fucking directed them.
Lee
AdamYeah, I know.
ChrisI haven't seen him, I'll be honest.
LeeI've seen them.
Lee
AdamBoth.
AdamI was going to say, you've never really spoke that highly of them.
Adam
AdamSo, I'm like, no.
Adam
AdamI know.
AdamBecause me and you, we we agree very much on Sherlock.
LeeYes.
AdamOf what's good and bad.
Adam
AdamSo.
ChrisWas Guy Ritchie Lock, Stock?
AdamYes.
ChrisOkay, that's probably the only.
Chris
ChrisFilm I think I know of from here.
AdamIt's a little bit like it's lots of like fast cut editing and like tricks.
Adam
LeeSo, I mean, some of it's.
ChrisI might not hate that.
LeeIt's got its all right bits.
Lee
LeeLike when you see, at one point, Watson goes to find Sherlock Holmes.
Lee
LeeAnd he's basically involved in an illegal brawl in a warehouse with a load of people watching.
Lee
LeeBecause he thinks everything through.
ChrisYeah, okay.
Lee
LeeBefore it actually kicks up.
Lee
LeeWhich, you know.
ChrisYou have reminded me, I did quite like that effect in Sherlock where they show his mind working and they show the different graphics text come up.
AdamThe mind.
Chris
ChrisThe mind palace.
Chris
ChrisYeah.
ChrisLike that is quite a nice way to sort of really see a mind at work, yeah, it does let you sort of fully appreciate it.
AdamYeah.
Adam
ChrisWhich.
Adam
AdamSherlock also has also has that lovely thing of doing text messaging as subtitles.
LeeI love that.
Lee
LeeI think that's such a clever way of getting that information across.
Lee
AdamWhich which I understand was, that was the.
Adam
AdamThat was something that the director brought in.
LeeOh.
Adamit was the same director as the film Gangster Number One.
Adam
AdamOddly.
Adambut yeah, that was, like that was a technique he introduced into it, like Moffat and Gatiss said, oh, no, that was entirely him.
Adam
AdamWe just felt it was brilliant, so we, we ran with it, you know.
LeeYeah.
Adam
AdamBut.
AdamBut yes, so basically the Conan Doyle estate were very sort of like sniffy about who they'd let adapt the thing.
Adam
AdamAnd then in 1980, I think it was 1984, they, the 100 years copyright on the first batch of Sherlock Holmes stories, finished.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo,
Adam
AdamYeah, so it's 100 years is like literary copyright, and then after that, so at that point, ITV knew they would be at like an ITV company would then be able to adapt it because they didn't have to seek those rights.
Adam
Lee
Adamessentially the thing becomes public domain, to a greater or lesser extent.
Adam
AdamI still think they, you know, there's no doubt royalties and things go somewhere.
Adam
AdamBut.
Adam
AdamEssentially, yeah, anyone can anyone can adapt them.
AdamAnd it's just so ironic that they'd obviously been really champing at the bit to do these.
Adam
Lee
AdamAnd like Conan Doyle estate were just like, no, you're not doing it because you're toddering and you're ITV, and we don't even have ITV in this house.
Adam
Adamand, yeah, turns out they do like the most consistent sort of TV adaption of Sherlock Holmes.
Adam
Adamthat is extremely true to the stories and extremely true to the sort of characters and everything else like that.
Adam
LeeI think that's.
Lee
LeeI've mentioned previously that I'd read, you know, the George Man books and stuff.
Lee
Leethat Enola Holmes came out not that long ago.
LeeNetflix have had a real go at it because they did that and they did, the Irregulars as well, which was a little bit of a miss for me, but not terrible.
Lee
LeeYeah.
Lee
Leeand as I as I mentioned, the Warlock Holmes.
Lee
LeeAs well for tonight.
Leeunfortunately, I've only gotten halfway through it and run out of time.
Lee
Leebut yeah.
Lee
LeeThey're fantastic as well.
Lee
LeeSo it's lovely that this material's out there.
Lee
LeeReading through.
Lee
LeeIt's fantastic.
Chris
ChrisIt's pretty good twist on them.
LeeSo, so Henry turns up, and he's too Canadian, so Watson hates him because he's not British enough, so those two at loggerheads the whole and it's just hilarious. So, yeah, it's it's one of those.
Lee
LeeIt's one of those.
Lee
LeeNo.
Lee
LeeIt's so much fun.
Lee
LeeProbably a dozen times.
Lee
LeeIf not more.
LeeAnd, you know, it's I've not read any Sherlock in a long time.
Lee
LeeI'm surprised how modern a book it still feels, to be honest.
LeeIt's so well written.
AdamExtremely readable.
AdamConan Doyle's stuff is, yeah.
Adam
AdamNever never feels a struggle.
AdamIt's just you're just reading.
Adam
AdamYou don't have to make allowances for.
Adam
AdamOr arcane language or anything.
Adam
AdamIt's just beautiful.
LeeYeah.
Lee
LeeYeah.
Lee
LeeWonderful stuff.
LeeAnd go and check out John Dies at the End.
Lee
LeeAnd we will see you all in a fortnite's time.
LeeThanks ever so much for listening, everybody.
Lee
LeeGood night.
AdamGood night.
Lee
