The Descent
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It’s time to get deep, as we are joined by previous guest Dani, for Neil Marshall’s “The Descent”. A film in which we learn how to give a lemon an orgasm; that spelunking is not an orthodox method of grief counselling; and that there’s always one fucker who won’t stay with the group, even if you tell them to! Marshall’s superb follow up to his debut “Dog Soldiers”, whilst often mentioned by fans and in lists of lesser-known films to see, really deserves to take its place as an acknowledged classic of the genre. The building claustrophobic dread, vicious injuries and the gradual disintegration of the team’s relationship make for a stunning first half, with the emergence of the monsters almost a relief from these all too real horrors. The cast are simply outstanding; and this still, remarkably, remains an outlier as an almost exclusively female-led horror film, 20 years later. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
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Famous lines
- "You think it's dark when you turn out the lights, well down there it's pitch black."— Rebecca Vernet
- "You know what, Beth? We all lost something in that crash."— Juno Kaplan
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UnknownGood evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee. I'm Chris. I'm Adam.
UnknownAnd we are here, as promised, with 2005's The Descent. But we kept this secret from you because we didn't know how things were going to work out schedule-wise and we didn't want to promise something we couldn't deliver. But we've got a guest with us. We've been joined by a friend of the show, a friend of ours and previous guest from before, Donnie. Evening, Donnie.
UnknownHello. How are we all doing?
UnknownHi, Donnie.
UnknownGood, mate.
UnknownYeah, not too bad, thanks.
UnknownIs this third time?
UnknownYes.
UnknownSo it was Red Shoes was the last one. And actually, that's funny because that was one that Lee wasn't so keen on. Not a big fan of the dancing.
UnknownIt was Lady Jennifer's pick, wasn't it?
UnknownIt was, yeah.
UnknownAnd Come In The Woods.
UnknownYes, which was a firm favourite from probably everybody who's ever seen it.
UnknownAbsolutely. And spoiler alert, I might have a similar issue with this that I had to reduce.
UnknownOh.
UnknownBecause.
UnknownToo much fucking dancing.
UnknownDancing with pickaxes this time.
UnknownOh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Spoilers and swearing abound.
UnknownI think everyone apart from me in the world has seen this film.
Unknown20 years ago. It's funny. That's a long time now.
UnknownI know.
Unknown2005.
UnknownBut yeah, so as I mentioned, the reason I've never seen this film is because I am a medium, a sensible level of claustrophobic.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYes. So again, a bit like Red Shoes. This is my first time watching this. I finished it 25 minutes ago. I thought it was a brilliant film. I thought it was really well done.
UnknownI felt entirely uncomfortable for the entire. I kept finding myself holding my breath and then gasping for air, just watching them crawling through them fucking things.
UnknownWell, I'll get you spelunking anytime soon then.
UnknownYou know, I'd say like the first half of the film is probably, and I found this at the time when I watched it.
UnknownDagnum View. That's where I saw this.
UnknownMany moons ago.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownFor the weekend it came out, I was like a really avid follower of like Total Film and Empire at the time.
UnknownI'd seen Dog Soldiers. Everyone was picking up Neil Marshall's next film.
UnknownOpening weekend.
UnknownAnd I shat myself.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt happened to be in like the bigger screen. There was no one there because no one else knew what it was.
UnknownAnd yeah, particularly aggressive Dolby sound mix.
UnknownAnd I was just absolutely floored by it.
UnknownBut I think the opening half of the film is probably more effective than the second half.
UnknownIf I'm being entirely honest.
UnknownAbsolutely.
UnknownThis falls into that category with a lot of Stephen King films, Stephen King adaptions fall in for me, which is, oh, thank fuck the monsters have shown up.
UnknownBecause it's fucking grim.
UnknownAnd then it'll be state of them.
UnknownYeah. And then it's like, oh, thank God, monsters.
UnknownYou know, you get it with Stephen King because it's always like, oh, I go to school with some psychotic greases and every adult's a nonce.
UnknownYou know, so it's like, oh, thank Christ the killer clown's turned up because, you know, it's taken some levity to it.
UnknownAnd similarly with this, you know, it's a fucking, this would be a gruelling film if it wasn't a horror film.
UnknownIt would still be watched by horror fans if it didn't have that flavour in it, you know.
UnknownEven right from the start, like it really just, it sets the tone perfectly.
UnknownEven in the rapids where you're like, are they having fun or are they terrified?
UnknownLike, you just, what's going to happen already?
UnknownWho's the bad guy?
UnknownWhat's going on?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd then, of course, introducing the young girl.
UnknownIt's like, okay, something bad's going to be happening.
UnknownBut, you know, it reminded me of Hereditary where it subverts your expectation.
UnknownAnd I noticed they do that throughout this where you're like, you don't quite know where they're heading for.
UnknownSo, and when it hits, it's awful.
UnknownYou so Hereditary.
UnknownI was thinking Casualty.
UnknownThe first five minutes, just like, yeah, someone's going to die.
UnknownProbably, yeah.
UnknownIs it going to be, oh, God, they went there.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat was super quick as well.
UnknownI've never seen this bus driver before, but he's got a really bad cough and he keeps clutching his chest.
UnknownI wonder how this is going to pan out.
UnknownI've got to admit, if it weren't for the fact we were covering it for this, if I'd just finally bitten the bullet, because Danny's been telling me to watch it for the last 15 years.
UnknownBut at that point at which they go from the large cavern into that tiny hole, yeah, I'd have turned it off.
UnknownLike, I just couldn't.
UnknownI just couldn't.
UnknownIt was so, so uncomfortable.
UnknownI mean, it's brilliantly made because.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt does.
UnknownLike, it does.
UnknownIt creates that sense of claustrophobia really, really well.
UnknownAnd again, I think with Neil Marshall, it's, I liked it in Dog Soldiers.
UnknownI liked it a little bit less in this.
UnknownI hated it in Doomsday.
UnknownIs that fast cut editing of the action stuff?
UnknownBecause that does the same.
UnknownLike, it creates a fantastic.
UnknownThat'd be what it, that is what it's like when you're in a massive fight and there's loads of people and it's all going off around you.
UnknownAnd, like, you don't take it all in because it's happening so quickly.
UnknownBut in a film, I quite like the choreography and sort of seeing it.
UnknownWhereas with this, it's just got that, oh, my God, it's just batshit.
UnknownAnd then at the end, you just have to see who's still alive, basically.
UnknownWhich was the style at the time.
UnknownIt's very sort of 28 Days Later as well has that sort of thing, yeah.
UnknownI always think stuff like that's mainly to, like, or at least partially to cover up the deficiencies in the budget.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAs well.
UnknownAbsolutely, yeah.
UnknownIt's like, you know, I can't remember what the budget this was made on was.
UnknownI know it was substantially more than Dog Soldiers, but it still wasn't a lot.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut, yeah.
UnknownAnd I think, actually, the effects, the practical effects are really, really solid for the most part in this film.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThe monsters looked incredible because I've not seen it, so I didn't know.
UnknownLike, I knew roughly what they were, but I hadn't seen them.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI thought they held up fantastically.
UnknownIt's a bit like if the, you know, the bit in The Hobbit where Gollum and the Riddle just goes horribly wrong.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd there is also OG Nosferatu in there.
UnknownSo, or original Goth in this sense, I suppose.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's definitely reminiscent.
UnknownI've got to answer it as well.
UnknownApparently, Neil Marshall has said that the crawlers are human.
UnknownThey just branched off.
UnknownThey didn't come out of the caves in the Paleolithic era or wherever.
UnknownI had myself asking that question while we were watching it.
UnknownI was like, they look human enough.
UnknownSo, I assumed it was that kind of a...
UnknownIt's interesting that they're gone for that.
UnknownSo, essentially, that's adding to the realism of it.
UnknownSo, it definitely is one of those gritty, they are trying to make this feel like it's very real, nothing too over-the-top supernatural.
UnknownIt could happen.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWell, I think it bears the fact that these are...
UnknownThey're all obviously active.
UnknownAll the women, they're all active, sporty people.
UnknownBut no one's really superhuman in this.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOccasionally, with the fights, you might think that it's...
UnknownBut again, it's that fast cutting.
UnknownIt's how it's changed at that point.
UnknownBut certainly, that first half, no one...
UnknownDo you know what I mean?
UnknownShit hurts.
UnknownNo one, sort of, Bruce Willis is out of, like, walking on broken glass or anything else like that.
UnknownAnyone's injured.
UnknownThey're permanently injured.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it fucking hurts.
UnknownI mean, when the ropes go through the hands...
UnknownAnd the fucking compound fracture is one of the worst ones.
UnknownLike, horrible, you know, realisations of that that I've seen in a film.
UnknownAnd it's fucking...
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt is...
UnknownIt just ramps as it goes.
UnknownIt's just quite...
UnknownI full-on, audibly, both of those scenes went, oh!
UnknownOh!
UnknownOh, yeah.
UnknownIt's just...
UnknownAnd when she falls and you see her bang her head, although it isn't a bad...
UnknownLike, it is...
UnknownIt's just that...
UnknownAnd it's in the sound mix as well.
UnknownIt's really heavy, so it gives you that real echoey, sudden...
UnknownLike, you've banged her...
UnknownLike, yeah, I mean, the sound in this was fantastic as well.
UnknownIt is, yeah.
UnknownThe surround was really well mixed, so it really drew you in.
UnknownLike, all the drips coming from around you the whole time.
UnknownSo, like you're saying, it's not a huge budget, but really what they do with it does give an overall impression of it just being well-polished.
UnknownOh, absolutely.
UnknownI mean, all the location stuff's in Scotland.
UnknownSo, obviously, like the...
UnknownSo, although they're meant to be in America, yeah, they're just in Scotland.
UnknownAnd also...
UnknownIt's funny, because I mentioned that they were at Scotland the year before.
UnknownYeah, so the rap is meant to be Scotland, and then they go, yeah, to Chattuga Park or whatever it is.
UnknownWhich they managed to get around by not having any other characters in the film.
UnknownNo.
UnknownApart from the protagonists in the crawlers, that's it.
UnknownNo, you're right.
UnknownI didn't notice that.
UnknownYeah, no, there are no secondary characters.
UnknownThe Descent Part 2, however...
UnknownOh.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
UnknownHow is there a Descent Part 2?
UnknownSo, what happened was...
UnknownHave you seen it?
UnknownYou've seen it?
UnknownI have...
UnknownWell, so, as I decided yesterday, after re-watching The Descent, I'm going to stick on Part 2.
UnknownI lasted 12 minutes.
UnknownFair enough.
UnknownFrom what I read about it, because I've never seen it.
UnknownBut, yeah, I thought, oh, I'll check out what...
UnknownBecause I'd never heard anyone have a good word to say about it, including Neil Marshall.
UnknownLike, although he's the executive producer, he was like, I think, what's the quote?
UnknownIt was something like, oh, it's a...
UnknownThe Descent is a self-contained story.
UnknownIt doesn't need a sequel.
UnknownThere is a sequel.
UnknownMake of that what you will.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo, it all comes down to the fact that when they tested it for American audiences, they
Unknownfelt that the ending was too bleak.
UnknownSo, the American version actually cuts about three minutes before the UK version.
UnknownSo, it ends with Sarah escaping and driving off.
UnknownAnd that's why she's able to come back in The Descent Part 2.
UnknownThat's kind of funny.
UnknownI mean, it's still pretty bleak.
UnknownEven if she gets out.
UnknownIt's still pretty bleak, but it's not as bleak as I'm just waiting to die.
UnknownI mean, that is amazing, that bit where it's just zooming out and she's seeing the birthday cake.
UnknownOh, that shot's incredible.
UnknownYeah, like the use of hallucination throughout is so good.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou can totally imagine her state of mind.
UnknownApparently, they did cut out a preamble of a crawler in the hospital.
UnknownBecause, you know, where she's running down the corridor and it's going black.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThere was going to be like a crawler chasing her or a crawler scene.
UnknownYou see the temptation for that.
UnknownBut I think it works as it is.
UnknownWell, he said he wanted to cut it because otherwise then immediately you can read the whole thing's a hallucination, which he didn't want to do.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI would wonder if this film would be even more successful if they actually lost the first five minutes.
UnknownIf it just opened with Beth and Sarah in the car on the way to meet the rest of the girls.
UnknownYes.
UnknownAnd if it didn't hold your hand quite that much through what had happened.
UnknownAnd maybe then the actual sort of like the Juno betrayal plot line would pay off better as well.
UnknownBecause when you went watching it back, as I've done many, many times, I think even the first time I watched it, I was kind of like, you know, oh, yeah, something's up with that.
UnknownSomething's up with that interaction.
UnknownThat's not right.
UnknownOh, Beth's noticed it.
UnknownAnd it just, yeah, it made it just a little bit.
UnknownThat's funny.
UnknownSo on my second watching it, I actually kind of liked that because I was like, oh, no, now I totally get it.
UnknownBut as interesting as you say, I wonder if I watch it more, if that will then just become too obvious.
UnknownYeah, because you can see in that opening.
UnknownAnd it's interesting because actually, I don't think the husband talks.
UnknownHe says he's fine right before he gets a large piece of metal through his head.
UnknownBut incidentally, that little moment of just as the camera, as the, as the camera zooms out, you just see his hands twitching.
UnknownIt's perfect.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd I think also, and fuck me, have I never driven behind a lorry full of fucking pipes since.
UnknownRight.
UnknownNo, I actually thought, right, this time watching it, I was like, is this a, you know, public, what's it called?
UnknownPublic safety.
UnknownYeah, public safety.
UnknownIt's like, yeah, lock down your metal.
UnknownFinal Destination 2 had come out by now.
UnknownI'm pretty sure they would have been, that's, that's in universe, surely.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIf we're going to, if we're going to do a Sean Hogan and just basically knit the entire of horror altogether, then yeah, he was on the plane.
UnknownThen he got away with it, got married.
UnknownAnd then finally, well, there you go.
UnknownSo.
UnknownI think that was the thing I found most unrealistic about the entire thing.
UnknownIt wasn't the creatures or any of that stuff.
UnknownIt was the fact that Juno was wearing that necklace the whole time with her husband's favourite quote on it.
UnknownAnd she, she was always touching it and she'd never seen it and gone, the fuck's up with that?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownEspecially because you feel, in a weird way, I would, and I, you know, I hasten to sort of put this on the table.
UnknownBut with a group of blokes, I'd believe it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause we're so unobservant.
UnknownWe're so not sort of like, you know, but, you know, this was, this was six intelligent women, surely.
UnknownThey'd have popped that in an instant.
UnknownSo I think you could be right there.
UnknownI hadn't actually thought that, but yeah, it is sort of, because that was the weird thing watching it with Claire is I'd completely forgotten that they do actually do a bit of explanation and say, oh, they're blind and they can only hunt by sound and stuff like that.
UnknownBut some of those bits, and it's really weird because you'd think it would get repetitive, but they just managed to do that of people hiding from the crawlers by just being quiet.
UnknownThey do it three times and it's still fucking tense each time.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know, it really does work.
UnknownI mean, especially when it's leaning on her head.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd at that point as well, I was like, right, so they can't see, they can only hear.
UnknownI was like, and I know it's hot in caves, it's got to feel that fire.
UnknownSo I kept waiting for it to suddenly realise the fire was right next to it and something was occurring.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo it did a really good job of adding tension.
UnknownYou know, even if you try to think outside the box, it somehow made it more tense.
UnknownI really like the fact that the crawlers have like a little family dynamic as well.
UnknownLike you can, oh, there's the baby one.
UnknownThere's the mummy one.
UnknownAnd there's the baby one.
UnknownOh, poor baby one.
UnknownBecause I think that was something else that Claire was expecting.
UnknownShe was expecting them to meet like a baby one.
UnknownAnd it'd be like, oh, well, I've lost my daughter.
UnknownAnd, you know, that sort of Captain Kirk style understanding moment.
UnknownAnd then I think that was like about two seconds later, she's kicked that child to death.
UnknownYou know, and it's like the baby crawler essentially just squishes its head like a bug.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause that was the thing that I've watched it with Claire is her first time viewing it.
UnknownAnd she was just so pleased with everyone because it was like, not, she, what's her name?
UnknownOh, I can't think of her.
UnknownThe Irish.
UnknownOh, Holly.
UnknownHolly.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownShe couldn't stand Holly because it was like, Holly's going to get you all fucking killed.
UnknownAnd yes, Holly will get you all fucking killed.
UnknownShe's a fucking knob.
UnknownJuno's a knob, but it's on a different level and at least would capably get you out of there.
UnknownWhereas I think Holly's just one of those people who gets you beaten up because you've gone to the pub with them.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's probably the same way that we look at Gen Z is the way that the boomers were looking at the millennials with Holly there.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAt that point where she said, stop running off, stop running off.
UnknownAnd then she fell down a hole and she went, please come and help me.
UnknownAnd I was like, fuck you.
UnknownI was so beyond my mind.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou brought this on yourself by being a bellend.
UnknownThis is totally your problem.
UnknownJust to warn you all, if we ever go spelunking and you act like a dick, I will leave you behind.
UnknownI was going to say, that's the thing.
UnknownThis is also one of those films that I can enjoy 100% because it's like, go spelunking.
UnknownRight.
UnknownNot doing that anyway.
UnknownSo fine.
UnknownAny of the other consequences of this film aren't happening.
UnknownSo that's fine.
UnknownSo I know we've obviously covered the ending ending, which is very good.
UnknownI wanted to just bring up how much I loved the bit five minutes before that, where it's
Unknownjust Sarah and Juno in that room.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd I was like, right.
UnknownSarah's covered in blood.
UnknownShe's going to have it out.
UnknownIt's going to be an argument.
UnknownNo, she's just going to hit her in the leg of an axe and fuck off and leave her to die.
UnknownAnd I was like, I didn't see that coming at all.
UnknownThat's what I mean.
UnknownIt does subvert your expectation quite a few times where you think, yeah, I know what's
Unknowngoing to happen roughly.
UnknownAnd it's like, oh no, it is different enough that that was really good.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's also quite nice that it's sort of like the thing that finishes Juno off is actually
Unknownsomeone wronged.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownRather than just sort of like, oh, she just couldn't cut it and the crawler's got her
Unknownor whatever like that.
UnknownIt's like, no, she would be utterly capable.
UnknownShe would have got out.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut no, because you've rubbed another woman's rhubarb.
UnknownTo paraphrase the joke.
UnknownThis is where a female perspective might be quite interesting on it, actually, because
Unknownone of the people that I talked to about the fact that I was rewatching it for the podcast
Unknownwas Rosie Fletcher, who's the editor of Den of Geek.
UnknownOh, right.
UnknownAnd I happened to meet her a couple of times at press screenings.
UnknownWe've just, yeah, just become mates, really.
UnknownAnd she was basically saying, love the dissent, but the whole you shag my husband plot point
Unknownis kind of degrading.
UnknownIt's the whole bitchy women thing, stabbing Juno at the end, like you're all about to die,
Unknownwe have no time for politics.
UnknownAnd it just feels a bit like a male writing female friendship wrong.
UnknownBeth Stein action, for example, being to take revenge on Juno and tell Sarah about the affair,
Unknownthe idea that any of it would matter under the circumstances,
Unknownand comparatively look at a film like Blink twice, and that's how you write women in danger.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI totally agree with that.
UnknownI mean, that is a very, that is a very fair point.
UnknownBecause as a perspective, I had not thought about, obviously, from, you know, my cis male privilege.
UnknownYes.
UnknownWhich is, as we enter into the threshold of totalitarianism, every time I get really worried,
UnknownI go, oh yeah, I'm white, I'm fine.
UnknownThat's a fair point.
UnknownBut I wonder, so, do you think that is partially like a 2005 perspective as well then?
UnknownSo, I mean, it'd be interesting to see Blink twice to see how that deals with, you know, a situation.
UnknownIt's a very good film.
UnknownI really, really enjoyed it.
UnknownI don't know if it's maybe a 2005 thing.
UnknownI was thinking about that when I was watching it.
UnknownAnd in a lot of ways, it doesn't fall into the trappings of feeling like it's from a particular era.
UnknownIt doesn't.
UnknownWeirdly enough, even Dog Soldiers does to a certain extent, you know, and not just because it's a British genre filled with Sean Pertwee in it.
UnknownBut it's sort of...
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd while it's very rare to have a film that 100% passes the Bechdel test written by and directed by a man,
Unknownmaybe that's where that different perspective might have made that a little bit more realistic or it might have taken the story in a different way.
UnknownWell, I think that's the thing is, in a way, what you said was it does, in that way, kind of invalidate that whole thing of it up until that point.
UnknownI think it's...
UnknownThat, in fact, they would have.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it feels really unfair to punish Sarah like that when she's still hugely grieving.
UnknownThe way that I viewed that was that, essentially, some trauma ruins you.
UnknownAnd this was meant to show that she really didn't ever get over the loss of her husband and daughter.
UnknownAnd that, essentially, is what made everything fall apart.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBecause Juno's decision to take them to somewhere she shouldn't have taken them to.
UnknownI mean, actually, if she'd have stabbed her in the leg and then just gone, that's not for me husband.
UnknownIt's for dragging us down here in the first place.
UnknownWell, yeah.
UnknownBut even that, like, most of her grief isn't towards her husband.
UnknownIt's towards her daughter.
UnknownEverything throughout the film to that point is about her losing her child.
UnknownNo, very true.
UnknownSo that's where...
UnknownAnd, yeah, I think it was only through that conversation...
UnknownIt was almost Juno's grief of losing the husband that made her almost want to try and do something extreme to get them through it.
UnknownBut in her own messed up way, because she clearly is messed up to have done what she did in the first place.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI mean, it reminded me of the film we watched, Hausu, which is like trauma that then continues causing problems.
UnknownAnd it's like identifying how do you become healthy again?
UnknownAnd people try to do things, but often in this situation it gets worse.
UnknownYou think this might be a good idea to get us through something, but it's not.
UnknownAnd it's women.
UnknownWomen again.
UnknownI suppose it has a lot to say about, like, friendships that have maybe run their course and you try and recapture the magic of it by doing things that you used to do together as a group that you used to enjoy.
UnknownBut everyone's sort of moved on.
UnknownTaking it to another level.
UnknownAnd it just, yeah, has lost whatever it had.
UnknownYeah, you're never going to recapture it.
UnknownI have to say, the person I feel most sorry for is my Anna Bering's character, just because she's the newbie.
UnknownIt's like they've just invited her along.
UnknownYeah, no, you'll have a great time.
UnknownWe're a great bunch.
UnknownAnd we go on these amazing adventures.
UnknownIt's like, yeah, this is really fucking, this has really gone awry now.
UnknownI mean, the casting in this was excellent.
UnknownLike, I thought everybody in this was absolutely brilliant.
UnknownAnd, yeah, and all, you know, it did almost have that very cliched bit of, you know, they all had a bit like a slasher film where you had those very key characters.
UnknownBut they just played them so well and so naturally.
UnknownIt wasn't until afterwards you're like, oh, yeah, of course, you know, you've got your bitchy one and you've got your funny one.
UnknownAnd you've got like, and it had that.
UnknownIt was subtle enough.
UnknownIt felt really, yeah.
UnknownIt wasn't.
UnknownI think everyone's rounded enough.
UnknownDefinitely.
UnknownIt's not.
UnknownIt's not caricature.
UnknownIt's unlike Halzu, obviously, where it is literally.
UnknownAll of these characters have one defining characteristic and that's their name.
UnknownSo a couple of these characters I knew, a couple of these actors, sorry, I knew from other stuff, but I haven't seen them in a lot of things.
UnknownYeah, so Myanna Burring I haven't seen in a lot, but she's always great when I see her in stuff.
UnknownSaskia Mulder as well, I know from, I only know from Jonathan Creek.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYeah, of course.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo I just know she's got very fingery toes.
UnknownWell, Alex Reid, I remember from Misfits and Life on Mars.
UnknownYes.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSee, I knew she looked familiar and I couldn't work it out and I resisted the urge to get my IMDB out halfway through because it had spoiled the tension and I might remember to breathe.
UnknownWell, there you go.
UnknownWell, that's the thing is I think what we need to do is we maybe need to make a movement of, you know, in 2005, you couldn't have done that.
UnknownSo we need to, you know, it's like that whole thing of try and watch films in the context in which they originated.
UnknownAnd it's like, well, if this was made before the explosion of the iPhone, I think we need to be able to, you know, we're going to have to go old school and just go, he's in something.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHe was in that thing with the other one, you know.
UnknownAnd it's like, yeah, right.
UnknownYeah, that'll do.
UnknownWell, I've just realised actually, yeah, that the actor playing Sarah isn't who I thought she was at all.
UnknownI thought it was the actor from June who played the mother.
UnknownShe looks like.
UnknownOh, what?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownRebecca Ferguson.
UnknownFucking David Lynch.
UnknownRebecca Ferguson, you mean?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownTo be honest, I can't think of many other things that I've seen.
UnknownOh, no.
UnknownIt's had like, did you, did you guys see Filth?
UnknownThe Irvine Welsh shout out.
UnknownOh, yes.
UnknownWith James McAvoy.
UnknownShe was in that.
UnknownNo, but it's on my list.
UnknownIt's one of those ones.
UnknownI keep saying I'm going to watch it.
UnknownBut I've seen the, I remember it coming out and I got it when it was first released.
UnknownBut the trailer makes it look like one of those films you have to be very specifically in that mood for.
UnknownAnd I don't quite know what mood that's going to be.
UnknownSo I haven't.
UnknownSo it's still been sitting on the shelf for 10 years or whatever.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownShe's also Professor Skork and Cluck in the new version of Danger Mouse.
UnknownVery good.
UnknownShe was in The Last Jedi.
UnknownYeah, she is temporary command center resistance pilot that we all remember from Last Jedi.
UnknownYeah, she's certainly done quite a lot.
UnknownI've got a lot of time for Last Jedi.
UnknownI know a lot of people don't, but I like it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI liked it.
UnknownIt at least tried to do something.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWell, I'll tell you what.
UnknownWell, last time we remade A New Hope, we'll just remake Empire Strikes Back.
UnknownNo, why not do something completely different?
UnknownAnd then we found out why.
UnknownBecause a bunch of whining man chinbeards will just moan that, you know.
UnknownBut speaking of disappointing sequels, The Descent Part 2.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo I kind of never wanted to see it.
UnknownBecause I held the first one in such high esteem.
UnknownAnd I'm not even sure it got a cinema release in the end.
UnknownIt might have been a straight to VOD or straight to DVD type affair.
UnknownBut yeah, I thought to myself, okay, I've found it.
UnknownLet's stick it on.
UnknownAnd within about two minutes, there was a, and I'm going to do the air quotes here,
UnknownAmerican news reporter commenting on the events of the first film,
Unknownwhich I'm not entirely sure how she knew about them because she wasn't fucking there.
UnknownAnd by American, I mean America by way of Yorkshire.
UnknownSo already I was kind of like, oh no, oh no.
UnknownAnd then Sarah was on a bed in a hospital and they immediately get her out of it
Unknownto bring her back down to the cave to find someone who's down.
UnknownAnd I was like, oh God, no.
UnknownSo yeah, I just really lost patience with it and decided that maybe I should not allow myself
Unknownto be angered by this trash.
UnknownMaybe life's too short sometimes.
UnknownYou do have to make that decision.
UnknownIt's like, I could be picking my nose here.
UnknownI think the quote from Neil Marshall sounds like it's very accurate.
UnknownYeah, I don't think, literally, I think it was just like there was money, you know,
Unknownthere was money on the table for someone.
UnknownIt's the editor of this who is the director of that.
UnknownI think it's the only film that he's done.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownAnd yeah, from what I gather, basically, so yeah, like you say, Sarah is found.
UnknownShe's in hospital.
UnknownApparently they know that she's covered in Juno's blood somehow.
UnknownI don't know whether Juno was a regular at the blood donor clinic.
UnknownBut yeah, apparently they know for a while.
UnknownSo they think that she's done it.
UnknownSo they take her back down there.
UnknownJuno survived.
UnknownAnd so she's still in it.
UnknownAnd apparently all the rest of the characters are in it.
UnknownI'm assuming in flashback because I don't think they've resurrected anyone else who.
UnknownOh, that's right.
UnknownI don't think they've resurrected anyone who clearly died on screen.
UnknownI did get the plot point that Juno's dad was a senator.
UnknownAnd that's why they care so much about finding her.
UnknownAh, right.
UnknownAt least threw that in there.
UnknownSo there you go.
UnknownAll other life is worthless unless you're a politician's child.
UnknownWell, exactly.
UnknownSilence of the Lambs.
UnknownOh, yeah.
UnknownGood point.
UnknownIsn't that in Gregory Dyer of a Nutcase, the comic strip version of Silence of the Lambs,
Unknownwhere it's like, didn't he kill a lot of people?
UnknownYeah, but this one's a senator's daughter.
UnknownYou know, we've actually got to go and find him.
UnknownAll those other people.
UnknownNo one cared.
UnknownNo.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSpeaking of Juno, that moment with Beth.
UnknownOh, God.
UnknownOh, fuck, yeah.
UnknownIt comes so out of nowhere.
UnknownEspecially because at that point you're keyed up because it's like,
Unknownthat's fucking right out of the bastards.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou'll take them all down.
UnknownAnd then it's like, oh, shit.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI mean, again, I don't know if you're going spelunking, Lee.
UnknownDon't take Claire.
UnknownBecause she said, no, absolutely, I'd lie.
UnknownI wouldn't say that I'd killed her.
UnknownNo, no, of course you wouldn't.
UnknownWhy would you?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownEspecially, or as Claire put it, there's a time and a place.
UnknownIn Juno's very limited defense, Beth could have said anything.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHi there.
UnknownI'm a wooden Jew.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd anything.
UnknownShe does rather leap up on someone who's just, yeah,
Unknownbadass their way through at least three monsters.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut the bet is that, I mean,
Unknownyou could say that probably is a bit realistic again.
UnknownYou know, you do see people making very odd decisions in life.
UnknownLet's face it.
UnknownWe know that Juno has made a series of bad decisions in life.
UnknownWhy would this not be a number?
UnknownYou know, she's decided to have an affair with her best friend,
Unknownwell, her friend's husband.
UnknownShe's also decided to take them down a fucking cave with no mat.
UnknownAnd not tell them.
UnknownAnd lie to them.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's a huge testament to Natalie Mendoza's performance that she manages to be,
Unknownyou root for her,
Unknowneven though her character is written as so dislikable.
UnknownOh, yeah.
UnknownAbsolutely.
UnknownYeah, yeah.
UnknownCouldn't agree more.
UnknownHer performance in this is brilliant.
UnknownReally, really.
UnknownBut I thought everyone was.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI didn't think there was a single person in there who,
Unknownas you say, caricatured it or,
Unknownwas in any way unbelievable.
UnknownIt just, yeah,
Unknownit came together so well.
UnknownAnd it's interesting because obviously you then get,
Unknownbecause you then get Doomsday.
UnknownAnd the lead in Doomsday kind of feels like you've combined Juno and Sarah.
UnknownYou know,
Unknownit's that sort of badassery,
Unknownbut also the sort of the other side of it.
UnknownAnd,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownbut it's sort of,
UnknownI mean,
UnknownI don't know if you've,
Unknownthere's another Neil Marshall film called The Lair,
Unknownwhich I thought one night,
UnknownI'll stick it on.
UnknownYou know,
Unknownit's like,
Unknownyou know,
UnknownI like,
UnknownI like,
UnknownI like the first three films that he did.
UnknownYou know,
UnknownI've not,
Unknownstill not seen The Hellboy that he did.
UnknownNo.
UnknownAnd he did Centurion as well.
UnknownI think,
UnknownI think.
UnknownOh yes.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat was half of that.
UnknownThat was another one.
UnknownI think I fell asleep.
UnknownAnd then I was like,
Unknownwell,
Unknownif that happened,
UnknownI clearly wasn't invested and never returned to it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut it's such a shame,
Unknownisn't it?
UnknownLike Neil Marshall's career at that point.
UnknownAnd then he was,
Unknownhe was already talking up Doomsday.
UnknownHe was already talking up as his next film.
UnknownAnd then I remember reading set reports in total film and Empire.
UnknownIt was like,
Unknownit was very clear that him and Rona Mitra did not get on.
UnknownAt all.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd then had a very terrible time filming it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd he'd had to make a lot of concessions as to what his vision was
Unknowncompared to what he did with working with a larger studio and the
Unknownbudget.
UnknownAnd then I thought it almost like he,
Unknownhe directed some of the best episodes of Game of Thrones.
UnknownYes.
UnknownAnd then I felt like his career was on the bounce back with Hellboy and
Unknownthen gone.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWell,
Unknowncause he did,
Unknownhe did black sales as well.
UnknownHe did,
Unknownhe did an episode of Hannibal,
Unknownwhich is one of the great ones as well.
UnknownYes.
UnknownAnd you know,
Unknowncause that was the thing is you'd watch,
Unknownit was really weird.
UnknownYou watch these series.
UnknownAnd then at the end of it come up,
Unknowndirected Neil Marshall.
UnknownYou're like,
Unknownfuck me.
UnknownThat's why it was so good.
UnknownIt was almost like,
UnknownOh,
Unknownthere's the piece of the puzzle I was missing.
UnknownI've been really enjoying it.
UnknownHe's conquering America.
UnknownOne HBO suit at a time.
UnknownBut yes,
Unknownso I tried to watch this one called the lair and it's basically sort of like
Unknownmonsters in,
UnknownI think it's like set in the middle East and it's British soldiers out and
Unknownthey find ancient monsters,
Unknownbut Oh God,
UnknownI've got about 20 minutes in and literally the main,
Unknownthe main character walked into like was rescued and walked into the army base
Unknownand she met her commanding officer.
UnknownAnd it's a guy with an eye patch.
UnknownWho's doing every single like American general hard ass.
UnknownSo I was like,
Unknownhe's not,
Unknownand we'll never be snake Plissken.
UnknownI'm turning this off.
UnknownYou know,
Unknownthat's a shame.
UnknownCause that sounds like such a great concept.
UnknownLike I,
UnknownI was sold on it to that point.
UnknownI brought in the 1980s,
Unknownyou know,
UnknownNew York police captain or whatever.
UnknownIt was a bit,
Unknownit was,
Unknownit was very much in that sort of thing of,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownwhen it's like you watch the,
Unknownin a way,
Unknowna bit like split second with Rutger Hauer,
Unknownwhich is an amazing film,
Unknownbut I am not ever going to agree that it's a good film.
UnknownBut it's just fantastic because it is like,
UnknownOh,
UnknownGarth Meringhi did get to make a film.
UnknownThat's how it feels.
UnknownAnd it wasn't the Hornets one.
UnknownNo,
Unknownit wasn't the Hornets one.
UnknownI'd watch that.
UnknownBut again,
Unknownit's just that thing of like,
UnknownOh,
Unknownhe's,
Unknownhe obsesses a bit too much over like,
UnknownOh,
Unknownthis,
Unknownthis is the guy,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownhow do we prove that this guy's a bad-ass?
UnknownHis boss fucking hates him.
UnknownAnd just bring it or her in this case with the lair,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownshe's brought in.
UnknownIt's like,
Unknownyou're always trouble.
UnknownYou'd never do things right.
UnknownAnd it is like,
Unknownit's that sort of police chief.
UnknownOh,
UnknownI want your badge fucker.
UnknownIt's that sort of relationship just to prove that this guy,
Unknownthis guy gets results because his boss finds him a fucking nightmare.
UnknownSo the only person who pulls that off these days is Warren Ellis.
UnknownHe's the only one who will kind of do that.
UnknownWell,
UnknownI think that's one of the central flaws of doomsday as well.
UnknownAnd it's like,
Unknownwhat if Mad Max,
Unknownbut also what if 28 days later,
Unknownbut also if Apocalypse Now,
Unknownbut Malcolm McDowell,
Unknownalso Camelot.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownPlus,
Unknownplus,
Unknownand then it's like,
Unknowndo you want a bit more?
UnknownBob Hoskins and Bradley McScottish from the fourth series of Luther.
UnknownOh my God.
UnknownI forgot about.
UnknownThis is almost sounding like I want to watch this now.
UnknownI never thought I'd want to rewatch doomsday.
UnknownI kind of do now.
UnknownDoomsday is an absolute,
Unknownagain,
UnknownI loved doomsday,
Unknownbut it is just absolute water wall.
UnknownIt's like I wrote a film when I was 12.
UnknownYou know,
UnknownI wouldn't have made super bad.
UnknownI'd have made doomsday.
UnknownThat's the film I would have made when I was 12.
UnknownIt absolutely is.
UnknownAnd again,
Unknownit's that editing thing where it's like,
Unknownwe've got a fight.
UnknownIt does feel like that.
UnknownWe've got a fight scene.
UnknownWe've made it.
UnknownThey live length,
Unknownbut we need it to be two minutes.
UnknownSo we'll just show you all the key hits and just crushing down into a fast cut
Unknownmontage.
UnknownAnd it just gave me seasickness.
UnknownI was just like,
Unknownno,
UnknownI don't know.
UnknownIt's like watching a fight in a strobe light.
UnknownI was like,
UnknownI don't know.
UnknownI mean,
UnknownI think he's,
Unknowncards are on the table with doomsday.
UnknownAnd I remember sitting and getting that thrill as I was watching it in the
Unknowncinema,
Unknownwhen the credits came up white on black in the John Carpenter font.
UnknownAnd I was like,
Unknownright,
UnknownI know exactly what we're doing here then.
UnknownAnd that's what it is.
UnknownYou know,
UnknownI think there was an awful lot of studio tinkering took place in the idea of
Unknownthat as well.
UnknownSo I would be interested to see,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownthis was pre kind of like hashtag release the Snyder cut.
UnknownSo there wasn't really a thirst for Neil Marshall's untampered vision.
UnknownNo,
UnknownI'd,
UnknownI'd,
UnknownI'd certainly be interested.
UnknownDefinitely.
UnknownI think there's something that needs to revisit.
UnknownI mean,
Unknownit's Chris,
Unknownif you've never seen it,
Unknownit's fucking entertaining hour and a half,
Unknownwhatever it is.
UnknownIt's,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownthe good thing is,
Unknownbrevity with Neil Marshall and stuff like this.
UnknownI mean,
Unknownthis is an,
Unknownthis film,
Unknownit really annoys me in a way,
Unknownbecause like you said,
Unknowneveryone's seen the descent,
Unknownbut this should get far more fucking kudos much in the same way as dog
Unknownsoldiers should,
Unknownbut this should get far more fucking kudos for,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownas a,
Unknownno,
Unknownthis was a fucking great film.
UnknownIt was released,
Unknownyou know,
Unknowndid.
UnknownI always felt that even non horror people were kind of,
Unknownraving about this at the time.
UnknownLike Danny said,
UnknownI don't think anyone picked up on it in the cinema.
UnknownI think it was snowballed.
UnknownSo I think it came out in the cinema,
Unknownbut once it came out for VOD or on rental or whatever it was at the time.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat was when it was like,
Unknownyou know,
Unknowneven in the office,
Unknownpeople who their normal film choices,
UnknownI would pay no attention to everyone was like,
Unknownhave you seen this film?
UnknownIt's really,
Unknownreally,
Unknownreally racked up the DVD sales.
UnknownIt really did.
UnknownAnd,
Unknownand again,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownthis was like pre sort of like,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownbeing able to download anything without it taking a day and a half.
UnknownSo,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownit was,
Unknownit was one of those films that I,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownit was a bit like when I bought the mist on DVD as well.
UnknownIt was one of those films that I'd take around to people's houses just to watch their reactions.
UnknownAnd I never got bored of that either.
UnknownThat's,
Unknownthat is a film we need to cover on here at some point.
UnknownI'd love to do the mist.
UnknownOh my God.
UnknownThat film black and white version,
Unknownof course.
UnknownOh,
UnknownI've not,
UnknownI've never watched it in black and white.
UnknownI've only ever seen it like the,
Unknownthe color,
Unknownthe original.
UnknownIt helps with some of the shonkiness of the CG.
UnknownAh,
Unknownyeah.
UnknownI would imagine it would,
Unknownto be honest.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownDefinitely my preferred way of watching it,
Unknownbut I'm going to,
UnknownI'm going to add Doomsday to the,
Unknownum,
Unknownwatching on the night shift list,
Unknownwhich I'm currently compiling.
UnknownYes.
UnknownCan I just say,
Unknownabsolutely perfect.
UnknownThat will,
Unknownthat will be the time when you're like,
Unknownthis is fucking great.
UnknownI haven't slept for three days.
UnknownI'll be a little bit delirious anyway.
UnknownI'll be in the headspace.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI drove,
UnknownI drove home and I spotted a tiger.
UnknownTurned out it was just a cone,
Unknownbut that's fine.
UnknownYou know,
UnknownI'm sure,
UnknownI'm sure I'll be fine.
UnknownAnd I'm still saying it to myself now,
Unknownto be honest.
UnknownI'm sure I'll be fine.
UnknownBut you saying about the titles coming up though,
UnknownI I've got to admit,
UnknownI did kind of go,
UnknownOh shit.
UnknownWhen we put,
Unknownwhen I put this on today for the first time and that the descent title came up
Unknownand it's that really horrible early CGI.
UnknownAnd it came up and I was like,
Unknownthat looks awful.
UnknownI was really concerned,
Unknownbut it looks too sidebar.
UnknownIt's a Wi-Fi channel.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBut because it's all,
UnknownI'll tell you what it is and no disrespect to him.
UnknownGod rest his soul.
UnknownI love him to bits.
UnknownI was like,
UnknownI'm sure Wes was doing stuff better than that in 2005.
UnknownIt looks.
UnknownOh,
Unknownabsolutely.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSome of them,
Unknownit's like,
Unknownit's,
Unknownyou,
Unknownyou can see it's very much the afterthought of,
Unknownwell,
Unknownof everything in this,
Unknownbecause it's,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownthe rest of it.
UnknownSo,
Unknownbecause the,
UnknownI mean,
Unknownprobably,
UnknownI would imagine that you probably guessed that all of the caves are sets.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAll of the caves are sets just because it's,
Unknownwell,
Unknownfucks are easier to film,
Unknownespecially on a budget.
UnknownYou say guess?
UnknownYou wouldn't get any fucking insurance to take.
UnknownI don't know about guessing.
UnknownI kept telling myself that.
UnknownSo that I didn't quite have a ventilator.
UnknownIt's not real.
UnknownBecause that's what I mean.
UnknownI think they just really,
Unknownthey really hold up.
UnknownAnd again,
Unknownit's like,
Unknownyou think in 2005,
Unknownbut just the,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownthat's a practical set built at Pinewood Studios.
UnknownIt was like 21 standing sets that they built,
Unknownbut it pays off.
UnknownAnd I think,
Unknownbecause like they said,
Unknownit was like,
Unknownwell,
Unknownwe can't do this on,
Unknownwe literally can't do this on location because the location would be too dangerous.
UnknownThe insurance would be astronomical.
UnknownYou wouldn't get the fucking kit down there.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI don't think you get off the cast down there because if someone said,
Unknownif someone tells me I'm going to go and film climbing at fucking Pinewood,
UnknownI'll do it.
UnknownI'm not crawling down some sphincter sized hole in the middle of fucking nowhere.
UnknownWell,
UnknownI mean,
Unknownit doesn't collapse until they mean it to collapse.
UnknownYou know,
Unknownthey don't,
Unknownthey're already saved a few pennies by making the USA Scotland.
UnknownSo why not go the extra mile,
Unknownyou know?
UnknownExactly.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOh,
Unknownjust,
UnknownI just wanted to mention as well.
UnknownDavid Julian,
Unknownthe composer.
UnknownI love this score and I love so much of his work.
UnknownAnd he kind of like for a brief time,
Unknownit was almost like his career was going to be amazing.
UnknownOne of his first gigs was Memento.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThen he works with Chris Nolan again on insomnia.
UnknownAnd how's this for a bit of serendipity?
UnknownHe also did cabin in the woods.
UnknownI was going to say,
Unknowndid me do cabin in the woods?
UnknownActually.
UnknownHe did indeed.
UnknownHe also,
Unknownand he's done,
Unknownum,
UnknownEden Lake.
UnknownHe's done.
UnknownSo he's done some really,
Unknownhe's had some really good showings with some great horror.
UnknownAnd then it just kind of never happened for him.
UnknownAfter that,
Unknownit just kind of fell off a cliff.
UnknownIt's weird,
Unknownisn't it?
UnknownHe's done the odd bit here and there,
Unknownbut nothing that I have heard of for about 15 years.
UnknownBut yeah.
UnknownI mean,
Unknownto be fair,
Unknownafter a lot of those,
UnknownI would,
UnknownI would sit back and just appreciate what I've done for a little while.
UnknownI don't know.
UnknownSurely.
UnknownI kind of assumed it maybe,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownlike take the kind of like the,
Unknownthe,
Unknownuh,
UnknownHans Zimmer or the John Williams.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah,
Unknowndefinitely.
UnknownI think that's basically what happened to Nolan though.
UnknownWasn't it?
UnknownHe just ended up using Hans Zimmer on everything.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWell,
Unknownyeah.
UnknownBy way of James Newton Howard on the,
Unknowneveryone forgets that most of the Batman themes that were carried through in a
Unknowndark night trilogy were by James Newton Howard in the first film.
UnknownYes.
UnknownAnd then Hans Zimmer came on board for dark night.
UnknownAnd he was really in,
Unknownhe was really,
Unknownreally,
Unknownum,
Unknowninfluential in terms of like the Joker theme.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownCause he did all the wines and.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownBuilding stuff and things like that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHans,
UnknownHans Zimmer gets a lot of secondhand praise for things that he didn't quite do.
UnknownLike with Pirates of the Caribbean as well.
UnknownUh,
Unknownso everyone thinks of Hans Zimmer's as the Pirates of the Caribbean,
Unknownum,
Unknownscore and composer.
UnknownHe's not.
UnknownThe captain's sparrow things by Klaus Bedelt.
UnknownAnd the whole first film is by him.
UnknownSo again,
Unknowna lot of the century kind of like took it over.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThanks for that.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI love that.
UnknownAlso,
UnknownI'm going to subcontract this to 15 other writers and then just put my name on it.
UnknownBut thank you.
UnknownHe did play.
UnknownHe did play keyboards on a misguided single called doctor in distress that was released
Unknownin 1986 to protest about doctor who being canceled.
UnknownAnd,
Unknownuh,
Unknownyeah,
Unknownhe's a hero.
UnknownI was going to say just for that,
Unknownhe deserves to get a bit of secondhand cred because that is,
Unknownthat is something else that is,
Unknownbut I'm not dissing a man.
UnknownI'm just a very,
Unknownvery angry failed composer.
UnknownYou,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownit's just,
Unknownif that's what it is,
Unknownyou'll get,
Unknownyou'll get the first film and then,
Unknownyou know,
UnknownZimmer's fucking,
Unknownyeah,
Unknownit's going to,
Unknownyeah.
UnknownAnd fucking taking all your things and getting it.
UnknownAnd then getting us right behind you with his trousers down.
UnknownHe's ready to go.
UnknownTo be fair,
UnknownI'm glad Don is bringing back the unsung heroes because I think we haven't done that
Unknownfor a little while.
UnknownSo there we've got a few then.
UnknownIn about 200 episodes.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThere was one,
Unknownthere was one bit of the score and it's actually that turning point where you wonder if
UnknownSarah is going to have it out with Juno.
UnknownAnd then she goes,
Unknownlike,
Unknownshe just goes,
UnknownOh yeah,
Unknownjust come,
Unknowncome with me or follow me or whatever.
UnknownAnd it's like when she says,
UnknownOh yeah,
Unknownno.
UnknownSo you saw Beth die.
UnknownOkay.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo yeah.
UnknownFollow me.
UnknownAnd it's the first time that you get for a long time.
UnknownCause a lot of it is very sort of more abstract.
UnknownAnd then you just get that electronic pulse.
UnknownThat is so.
UnknownAnyo Morricone's music for the thing.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd it's like almost at that point,
Unknownit's like,
Unknownyeah,
Unknowncause you can't trust her.
UnknownSo they almost like sort of put in the,
Unknownthe sort of that dynamic from the thing of,
Unknownyou can't,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownhe's everyone who they say they are and so on and so forth.
UnknownAnd it's like,
Unknownyes,
Unknownyou can't trust her at this point,
Unknownyou know?
UnknownAnd that's why she scored like the thing.
UnknownSo.
UnknownThere was the scene as well,
Unknownwhere Sarah is sitting back with the video camera.
UnknownUm,
Unknownand it puts that really heavy,
Unknownlike full orchestral sound over it.
UnknownOh,
Unknownyou got that really dissonant brass stabs.
UnknownAnd yeah.
UnknownOh,
Unknownand it's just beautiful.
UnknownLike I,
UnknownI am an absolute nightmare.
UnknownWell,
UnknownI don't know if I am for not noticing a score.
UnknownI think it goes in subconsciously,
Unknownbut I don't like,
UnknownI can easily watch a film and then someone say,
Unknownwhat was the score like?
UnknownAnd I'll go,
UnknownI didn't notice it.
UnknownI didn't hear it.
UnknownTo be,
Unknownto be fair though,
UnknownLee,
Unknownif the score is actually doing its job properly,
Unknownyou might.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt's,
Unknownit's,
Unknownit's,
Unknownit's,
Unknownit's,
Unknownit's,
Unknownit's going to be,
Unknownbut certainly,
Unknownyeah,
Unknownthis sort of thing,
Unknownyou,
Unknownif it's obtrusive,
Unknownthen you're out.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd you can't be for this sort of thing.
UnknownBut when it's exceptionally good,
Unknownit notices as well.
UnknownSo that's the thing.
UnknownSo,
Unknownso a lot of the time,
Unknownif it's good or great,
Unknownif it's bad,
UnknownI definitely notice.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIf it's good,
UnknownI don't notice.
UnknownIf it's exceptional,
UnknownI do notice.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd there was points in this where I was aware of it.
UnknownSo that,
Unknownand I think that is because it's exceptional and not because it was,
UnknownI mean,
UnknownI watched,
UnknownI watched an old,
UnknownI'll mention it when we do our next,
Unknownwhat we've been watching,
Unknownbut I watched an old Russian ghost movie fairly recently.
UnknownAnd the score on it was so bad.
UnknownIt was so like wrong.
UnknownYou couldn't,
Unknownyou couldn't not see it.
UnknownSo it was a,
Unknowna load of priests had been let out for like a week.
UnknownSo they were,
Unknownthey were monks and they were given like a week's holiday.
UnknownLike when you're at school.
UnknownAnd then carry on abroad.
UnknownBernard Breslau's the second in command.
UnknownI know.
UnknownYes.
UnknownAnd they let them all out and they were like,
Unknownright,
Unknownjust go and behave yourselves.
UnknownAnd as soon as the gates open,
UnknownI was saying,
Unknownit's this sort of quite brooding ghost story.
UnknownAnd it sounded like fucking Benny Hill.
UnknownLike,
Unknownand I was just like,
Unknownwhat the fuck is going on?
UnknownAnd it was,
Unknownit was like,
Unknownit's all these monks and they just run out and started grabbing food off of
Unknownmarket stalls and just throwing random wenches over their shoulders and
Unknownrunning off the dark corners.
UnknownAnd I was like,
Unknownthis is horrible.
UnknownWhat the fuck is going on?
UnknownYou've just reminded me of that part in it.
UnknownChapter two,
Unknownwhere it inexplicably just burst into just send me an angel in the morning.
UnknownSomeone's vomiting over someone.
UnknownAnd then it disappears.
UnknownBut it's like three second blast.
UnknownI'm like,
Unknownwhat the fuck just happened?
UnknownDid I imagine that?
UnknownAnd you know,
Unknownyeah,
UnknownI've,
UnknownI've actually,
UnknownI've,
UnknownI've been thinking and if,
Unknownif Hans Zimmer took over my work,
UnknownI'd be a bit peeved,
Unknownbut it wouldn't be as bad as if it was fucking Danny Elfman.
UnknownOh yeah.
UnknownYep.
UnknownHis last,
Unknownhis last great works was the Simpsons.
UnknownMostly that little clockwork orange theme they sometimes put in.
UnknownOh yeah.
UnknownI mean,
UnknownI'd,
UnknownI'd like Danny Elfman in the right spot.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownTim Burton,
Unknown1980s.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownFair.
UnknownBut yeah,
Unknownit's that thing of just having someone just going,
UnknownOh,
Unknownthey're a name.
UnknownI'll get them to do it.
UnknownAnd it's like,
Unknownyeah,
Unknownno,
Unknownthis isn't their forte.
UnknownYes.
UnknownIt's like miscasting a prime actor,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownit's like,
Unknownlike Bram Stoker's Dracula with,
Unknownum,
UnknownKeanu Reeves.
UnknownKeanu Reeves.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownGreat film about it.
UnknownOh,
Unknownit's a Holocaust drama,
UnknownDanny.
UnknownDiddly,
Unknowndiddly,
Unknowndiddly.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat's why he got chopped off the shimless,
Unknownthis job.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWilliams is a safe pair of hands to be.
UnknownI did want to mention the,
Unknownthe cover.
UnknownCause I keep looking at that.
UnknownThe,
Unknownit looks like a skull.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOh,
Unknownthat's the,
UnknownI love that.
UnknownDali painting.
UnknownIt's based on,
Unknownisn't it?
UnknownIs it a Dali painting where it's like the woman skull?
UnknownUh,
UnknownI don't know.
UnknownIt's pretty cool.
UnknownYou could be right.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI'm not sure where that artwork came from because the original poster,
Unknownwhich was the DVD cover as well,
Unknownwas just sort of like Sarah's face and shard of light and maybe blood splatter.
UnknownBut it's the American poster.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI,
UnknownI,
UnknownI first remember seeing that on the,
Unknownuh,
Unknownblu-ray steel book cover.
UnknownAh,
Unknownokay.
UnknownWhich is why I found it very,
Unknownvery easy to track this film down.
UnknownI was going to be super lazy and just like go to streaming because I couldn't be bothered
Unknownto get up off the settee.
UnknownAnd I tried,
UnknownI tried about five different things that I currently subscribe to.
UnknownAnd the descent wasn't on a single one of them.
UnknownNo.
UnknownThat's the one.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownThat's the cover.
UnknownWith the face.
UnknownWell,
Unknowncan you explain this to me though?
UnknownThis is my limited edition DVD that I bought in the Virgin Megastore in Romford.
UnknownAnd for some reason it's limited edition cardboard packaging.
UnknownIt's just got a little door.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownTo put it,
Unknownput it right in front of your face.
UnknownThere's pictures of them in there and stuff.
UnknownAnd it's just like a little,
Unknownlittle flappy door that it's got.
UnknownI remember,
UnknownI remember having not,
Unknownnot for the descent,
Unknownbut I remember having something like that.
UnknownIt was like,
Unknowndo you remember when,
Unknownum,
Unknownwhen Warner Brothers insisted on having the cardboard casing for their DVDs until they realized
Unknownthey were wankers.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSuck it up.
UnknownThe weird,
Unknownthe weirdest fucking thing though,
Unknownis my copy of,
Unknownum,
UnknownI got airplane and airplane too.
UnknownAnd it's in this fucking weird cardboard sleeve,
Unknownbut you have to pull tabs either end of it.
UnknownAnd the discs sort of slide out of either end.
UnknownOn two little CD size trays.
UnknownIt's mental.
UnknownI do not know why I've only ever seen that one other time.
UnknownAnd that was the album by the Amorphous Androgynous.
UnknownLike their first album came in like a special edition,
Unknownbut yeah,
Unknownit sounds like it might break after a few goes.
UnknownI'm terrified of it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt took,
Unknownit literally took me 20 minutes to work out how I got into the fucking airplane one,
Unknownespecially because obviously it'd been in the shop.
UnknownSo it sort of got compressed.
UnknownAnd so it was all sort of like,
Unknownall the cardboard was kind of stuck together anyway.
UnknownAnd I'm like,
Unknownwhat the fuck am I meant to do?
UnknownLike,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownsuddenly it's sprung out like a fucking James Bond gadget.
UnknownAnd I'm just,
UnknownI'm such a sucker for that shit though.
UnknownLike,
Unknownso I've got,
UnknownI'm not sure if it's the arrow release,
Unknownbut I have got a Blu-ray release of clue,
Unknownwhich Chris got me for Christmas a few years ago.
UnknownAnd it's an old VHS style slide out sleeve.
UnknownAnd then it's the box inside is made to look like the VHS of clue.
UnknownAnd then you open it up and it's got the,
Unknownthe Blu-ray disc and the regular version and the extras disc and all that.
UnknownOh,
Unknownthat's cool.
UnknownAnd I love that.
UnknownIt's such a retro.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd this is the thing.
UnknownThis is why physical media,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownwe,
Unknownwe enjoy these little weird touches and strange little gifts that you could get.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI've,
UnknownI've only allowed to buy,
UnknownI've only allowed myself to now buy a physical Blu-rays if they are still books.
UnknownAnd the good thing about that is that there's fewer and fewer steel books being made.
UnknownAnd most of the good old films have already come out and I can't be bothered to just rebuy them on 4K for the sake of it.
UnknownOh yeah.
UnknownAnd the only new ones that get made are terrible,
Unknownterrible Marvel films.
UnknownSo I've,
Unknownalthough,
Unknownalthough they've,
Unknownthey've just read up,
Unknownthey've just done a panic room and social network for the first time.
UnknownSo they got added to the cart and then gladiator too,
Unknownbecause sharks in the Coliseum,
Unknownwhy not?
UnknownAnd,
Unknownand then,
Unknownand then,
Unknownwhat was the other one as well?
UnknownOh,
UnknownNosferatu.
UnknownOh yes.
UnknownAnd they're all coming out on the same week.
UnknownAnd I'm going to be so broke.
UnknownIt's going to be so worth it.
UnknownOh mate.
UnknownAnd Eleanor is going to be so angry with me.
UnknownOh yeah.
UnknownNo,
Unknownthis is the point where you have to learn the art of hiding these things.
UnknownClaire's dad deliberately damages boxes.
UnknownHe's very into Superman.
UnknownAnd like,
Unknownso he's bought like lots of Superman figures and stuff like that over the years.
UnknownAnd Claire said he'd sit on the train and like worry a corner and then go home and go,
Unknownlook at that,
UnknownJane.
UnknownIt was shot worn.
UnknownSo it was 10% off.
UnknownYou didn't have to tell her that he just bought a 50 quid Superman statue or whatever.
UnknownActually,
Unknownit's funny you say in panic room,
Unknownbecause I'm pretty sure I saw that at the view in Dagnum as well.
UnknownSo did I.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownIt was between that and showcase with my locals as a,
Unknownas a wee nipper.
UnknownI think I only went there twice.
UnknownI went there once for that.
UnknownOh no,
Unknownthree times.
UnknownI went there once for that.
UnknownI went there once for sliding doors.
UnknownIt was a date.
UnknownIt wasn't my choice.
UnknownUm,
Unknownand guest house Paradiso.
UnknownFor some reason,
Unknownit was the nearest place that was showing it on the day of release.
UnknownAnd I was like,
UnknownI need to be there on the opening night.
UnknownI mean,
Unknownit's fucking great.
UnknownI saw guest house Paradiso at the Odeon that is seen to be the Lumiere.
UnknownOh,
Unknownyes.
UnknownOh,
Unknownyeah.
UnknownAnd that,
Unknownand that was bizarre because that was loads of people,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownit wasn't packed,
Unknownbut a fair number of people,
Unknownmost of whom didn't laugh.
UnknownWhat?
UnknownAnd you're like,
Unknownwhat?
UnknownYou know,
Unknownyou're going to see the bottom film.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownPresumably you like bottom.
UnknownAnd therefore this would actually make you laugh.
UnknownBut no,
Unknownapparently not.
UnknownDid they perhaps not like bottom and they were confused by the name?
UnknownI don't know why they'd got,
Unknowncause it was like,
Unknownwhy would you turn up for it?
UnknownLike,
Unknownyeah,
UnknownI don't,
UnknownI don't know.
UnknownIt's like you had to make effort.
UnknownIf you just sat at home and it was pumped to you,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownsimilar thing happened when I went to see league of gentlemen's apocalypse.
UnknownAnd I was just,
Unknownand it was like considering,
Unknownbut they've always been quite,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownculty.
UnknownIt was a fairly full cinema.
UnknownObviously I was there as an opening night fan because that's just me,
Unknownbut yeah,
UnknownI was the only person laughing me and my friend Paul.
UnknownAnd,
Unknownand yeah,
Unknownyou do have that realization.
UnknownLike,
Unknownwhy are you here?
UnknownYeah.
UnknownLike,
Unknownit's just,
Unknownlet's go to the cinema and watch whatever.
UnknownI think it is from that time period.
UnknownDid you think it was a sequel to the Sean Connery one or something?
UnknownYou know,
UnknownI think,
Unknownbut I think it does come from that time period where it's like,
Unknownliterally that was a thing.
UnknownPeople were like,
Unknownwe go to the cinema on Thursday.
UnknownSo we see a new film.
UnknownAnd occasionally you might see a film that you like.
UnknownShould we check what's on?
UnknownNah,
Unknownwe are going at eight o'clock and whatever's on,
Unknownwe shall see.
UnknownWe should probably do a quick plug for that as well.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAdam mentioned.
UnknownSo in Romford,
Unknownwe've mentioned before,
Unknownhow much we're fans of the,
Unknownwhat was the premier cinema there.
UnknownAnd that closed down.
UnknownUnfortunately,
Unknownit's now been bought up and it's going to be the Lumiere cinema.
UnknownUm,
Unknownand that looks like it's going to be fucking fantastic.
UnknownIt's what I'd hoped premier was going to be.
UnknownSo they're going to do a couple of screens of like,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownthe new releases.
UnknownYou can go and see them.
UnknownUm,
Unknownbut yeah,
Unknownthey're going to have like,
Unknownuh,
Unknownalmost like a cold screen as well.
UnknownSo they're going to be showing,
Unknownso they've released,
UnknownOh yeah,
Unknownwe're going to do,
UnknownI think it was touchstone or someone's going to do like touchstone Tuesdays or
Unknownsomething.
UnknownWe're going to show all the old eighties and nineties touchstone films.
UnknownUm,
Unknownand they're going to have a screen for private rent and they get like,
Unknownand they're redoing the bar.
UnknownThey're putting in a lift,
Unknownum,
Unknownfor disabled acts.
UnknownLike they are doing so much.
UnknownI think it's,
Unknownit's going to be incredible when it's done.
UnknownIt definitely does sound like a project of passion,
Unknowndoesn't it?
UnknownLike they're not messing around.
UnknownThe way they're talking about it is they kind of want it to be like a Prince
UnknownCharles style place,
Unknownbut in Romford where it's,
Unknownwell,
UnknownI think it's more accessible,
Unknownbut also we can all go to it and still get home.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYou know,
Unknownwe could pull an all nighter and actually sort of,
Unknownyou know.
UnknownI have such,
Unknownsuch high hopes for it,
Unknownbut I will always offer the cautionary tale of that time in Romford where
Unknownthey,
Unknownsomething closed down and they opened a falafel place.
UnknownAnd then a month later,
Unknownit was a chicken shop.
UnknownAnd,
Unknownand,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownif falafel is about the level of gentrification of Romford isn't ready for,
Unknownthen,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownthat's,
Unknownthat's very true.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownPlease,
Unknowndear God,
Unknownlet's have hope there's some art house film fans out.
UnknownWhat you're saying is it will be a vape shop within three weeks.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownOr one of those,
Unknownyou know,
UnknownAmerican chocolate shops,
Unknownwhich is a front for,
Unknownyou know,
Unknownwhatever.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI'm just hoping with the Elizabeth line,
UnknownI mean,
Unknownliterally Romford from Tottenham Court road now is going to be what?
Unknown30 minutes.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownSo it's,
Unknownit's easily accessible from central and the cinema is only a five minute walk from
Unknownthe station.
UnknownSo I'm hoping it will generate the kind of traffic it deserves to do.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownI say,
Unknownand they're doing with it because when premier was announced,
Unknownthat's what I hoped in my mind,
UnknownI went,
Unknownit's going to be the new Prince Charles.
UnknownIt's going to be hangover club on a Sunday.
UnknownWe're going to show classic eighties movies and you turn up in your pajamas and
Unknownyou get a cup of tea and a bacon roll or whatever.
UnknownAnd it's like,
Unknownand I,
Unknownand,
Unknownand showing big trouble and all those.
UnknownHmm.
UnknownClassic movies.
UnknownUm,
Unknownand they didn't really capitalize on that.
UnknownUm,
Unknownbut I think Lumiere know their audience and know what they're going to turn up
Unknownfor.
UnknownAnd they're bringing back ushers and ushers and phone blockers.
UnknownThey're going to have a blocker.
UnknownSo it blocks four and five G so nobody can get on the phone while they're in the
Unknowncinema.
UnknownThat's good idea.
UnknownFucking awesome.
UnknownI'm all over that.
UnknownUm,
Unknownyeah,
Unknownso apparently there's talk of them possibly doing a podcast room.
UnknownOh,
Unknowncool.
UnknownSo when they do the horror festival and stuff,
Unknownthey'll have a room set up so people can go in and just record there with the people
Unknownwho were there and sort of arrange a schedule with it.
UnknownI mean,
Unknownyeah,
Unknownthey seem to have thought of everything.
UnknownIt's really,
Unknownreally exciting.
UnknownSo I really,
Unknownreally hope it takes off the way that it deserves to really do.
UnknownAnd although they did the crowd funder,
Unknownthat was only for a small percentage of the money that needs to go in.
UnknownThe money has come from,
Unknownfrom elsewhere.
UnknownThey've,
UnknownI mean,
Unknownthey've put a lot,
Unknownlot of money into it,
Unknownuh,
Unknownfrom elsewhere.
UnknownSo yeah,
UnknownI,
UnknownI'm confident.
UnknownAnd they've just had all those seats redone as well,
Unknownjust before it turned from premier best cinema seats I've sat in in my life.
UnknownSo yeah,
UnknownI think it's,
Unknownit's got all the potential there to be absolutely incredible.
UnknownSo get behind it,
Unknownpeople.
UnknownIt's going to be fantastic.
UnknownAnd you'll probably see us there.
UnknownIt's,
Unknownmight do.
UnknownWe'll be there from time to time.
UnknownI dare say it's a semi local and yeah,
Unknownvery comfortable.
UnknownRight.
UnknownYes.
UnknownI'm laughing at semi.
UnknownRight.
UnknownThanks ever so much for listening,
Unknowneverybody.
UnknownUm,
Unknownreturn in a fortnight's time when we are talking about what the fuck are we talking about?
UnknownUm,
Unknowndo you want to do a,
Unknownwe've been watching or do you want to do what we had?
UnknownCause I'm checking the calendar.
UnknownI have done the calendar.
UnknownSo we are long legs.
UnknownWe will be covering.
UnknownOh,
UnknownI'll get to rewatch that.
UnknownFucking crazy shit.
UnknownI cannot wait.
UnknownRight.
UnknownThank you very much for joining us,
UnknownDanny.
UnknownIt's been wonderful to speak to you as always.
UnknownOh,
Unknownthanks for having me again,
Unknownlads.
UnknownIt's always a pleasure.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd this will not be the last you hear of Danny.
UnknownI'm sure he'll be back as soon as his busy life schedule allows.
UnknownUm,
Unknownyeah.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownAnd if not,
UnknownDanny Elfman will do it.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownHe won't over the same gravitas.
UnknownYeah.
UnknownWe'll do the dissent too and get hands in.
UnknownPoor David Julian.
UnknownJustice for jewels.
UnknownYes.
UnknownRight.
UnknownThanks very much for listening,
Unknowneverybody.
UnknownGood night.
UnknownThanks everyone.
UnknownGood night.
UnknownNight night.
UnknownSee you later.
UnknownGood night.
