We Have Been Watching And The Monster From Hell

0:25 Lee Good evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.

0:28 Chris I'm Chris.

0:29 Adam I'm Adam.

0:31 Lee And this evening we are joined by repeated, return offender Lady Jennifer. Good evening, Jennifer.

0:37 Jennifer Woo! Good evening.

0:39 Adam Hey.

0:41 Lee What we are this honor. every time she gets dragged back in.

0:45 Jennifer Yes, the the honor is, it's half term next week, so I know I'm free up and, you know, what else am I going to do with myself?

0:52 Lee I would like to point out, she is a teacher. I am not a 40 year old man married to a ghoul, just to be clear.

0:59 Jennifer Don't end up on a list. Speaking of lists, I hope everyone's got their list. This evening is a, what we've been watching.

1:49 Lee there will be spoilers, there will be swearing, as always there is.

1:56 Lee so as you are the guest and it's been quite a long time, Lady Jennifer, what have you been watching?

2:01 Jennifer Don't want to go first.

2:03 Jennifer Oh, right then. so we watched, Horrors of the Black Museum. Not a film I'd heard of before.

2:12 Lee What have you Michael got?

2:14 Adam Yes.

2:15 Jennifer Yeah, Michael Goff with exciting hair, kind of, you know, gray side bits and, I only ever see him in Batman being much older, so, yeah.

2:24 Adam Yes.

2:25 Jennifer I think not knowing anything about it and just going in cold, really pleasantly surprised. I thought, why wasn't it one that's been on our list earlier or, you know, we've heard of, or I feel like it's sort of passed me by somewhat.

2:38 Jennifer Well, I don't know if you heard Adam, you've heard of it particularly or.

3:22 Adam I've, I remember as far as I can remember, because it's, it's more of a murder mystery, isn't it? It's like a crime mystery rather than.

3:29 Jennifer It's still horror, though.

3:31 Adam Yeah. Oh, no, absolutely, it's horror.

3:34 Chris Yeah. It's the horrors of the Black Museum. If you call it anything else, it's like.

3:39 Chris What, what is it that makes it horror then? If it is predominantly a thriller?

3:44 Jennifer Well, like it's why it's Yeah.

3:47 Jennifer Yeah, the way it's sort of set up, he has a museum of, you know, horrific killing implements, so, and it's quite, there's a sort of element of hypnotism, kind of drugging someone to do his bidding.

4:00 Jennifer So it's all a little bit, you know, okay.

4:04 Adam It's a bit heightened, yeah.

4:06 Jennifer It's a lot going on.

4:09 Adam And Black Music, the, because that's what Scotland Yard have, the Black Museum, which is where they keep all their stuff from famous crimes and things like that. So like that's where really.

4:19 Chris Yeah.

5:00 Adam Yeah. And that's where the name comes from.

5:03 Adam I went to an exhibition of it at the London Museum years ago.

5:07 Lee Oh, right.

5:08 Adam But they, yeah, they had a whole thing. I mean, that was me and Sarah, my sister, who are Siamese true crime buffs. Joined at the head and we were sort of,

5:24 Adam yeah, we just went around, oh my God, it's John Hate's apron.

5:29 Adam It's Christy strangling chair.

5:32 Adam And I know you shouldn't be in the same way that you'd go around, but it's these things you've read about and think, you know, much in the same way as you go around and go, oh, that's the costume that someone wore in that scene or something like that.

5:44 Adam but, but yeah, no, the film is, it's that same sort of, I suppose thriller thing.

5:52 Jennifer

5:53 Adam You know, where it's like, it doesn't, it doesn't have a supernatural side to it, but it definitely is more macabre and stuff than a, you know, I don't know, the way seven is.

6:04 Lee Yeah, exactly, yeah.

6:06 Jennifer Yeah.

6:06 Lee I think the only thing I knew about it was the, the binoculars, obviously, it's one of those pictures that gets used on the clip shows so frequently.

6:13 Jennifer No, I was not expecting that.

6:15 Lee And it was on in the first two minutes of the film.

6:17 Jennifer Oh, I see where this is going.

6:22 Jennifer It was, yeah, it was quite horrific.

6:24 Jennifer but the most horrific thing was not the pointy binoculars, it was the pointy bras that they wear or wore back then in the fifties. it's horrendous.

6:33 Jennifer I think they're torture implements.

6:36 Jennifer But, yeah.

6:37 Lee Yeah, they were pretty creepy.

6:40 Chris We we can't fully appreciate this, but.

6:43 Jennifer No, we could.

6:44 Jennifer I stopped getting one, I'm sure.

6:47 Jennifer Give it a go.

6:49 Jennifer But, yeah, no, it was, it was good fun.

6:52 Jennifer We saw the, the, the precursor to Tetris, didn't we?

6:54 Lee Yes.

6:55 Chris

6:56 Jennifer There's this big weird machine, just a long entire wall. No idea what it did.

7:01 Jennifer But on the screen, it kept flashing up shapes, but like Tetris shapes.

7:06 Jennifer No apparent reason. I say, there was no explanation of what it did.

7:10 Lee They never just said now I've got my amazing new supercomputer.

7:13 Jennifer And the museum.

7:14 Lee The museum.

7:15 Jennifer Will be even better.

7:16 Jennifer But he didn't.

7:17 Lee He didn't.

7:17 Jennifer He didn't even say what it was, just a machine that did something, but the shapes were Tetris, so that's where they got it from, really.

7:22 Adam I suppose back then just computer was a word you invoked.

7:26 Chris Yeah.

7:27 Adam It's like, well, obviously, clearly, obviously that will enhance whatever evil scheme I'm doing. He's got a computer. Oh, supernatural itself, yeah.

7:36 Adam I still use that at work. I do have to say to them sometimes, it's like, look, tell me it's a magic box where I put something in it and the email goes somewhere else.

7:46 Adam You don't telling me is going to make less sense.

7:49 Adam You know, just just explain it to me in sort of fabulistic terms and I'll be fine.

7:56 Jennifer Nice.

7:58 Lee Excellent. Right. So, Adam, what have you been watching?

8:02 Adam well, the first one I'm going to kick off with is, me and Claire spent most of three months watching,

8:07 Adam an old series called Thriller.

8:13 Adam from 1973, ran from 1973 until 1976 on and was shown on ITV.

8:21 Jennifer Oh.

8:22 Adam it was an anthology series created by Brian Clements who basically is the man who made the Avengers what the Avengers became.

8:31 Adam And he wrote Dr. Jekyll and Sister Hyde and Captain Chronos and lots of bits and pieces and created the professionals and stuff like that.

8:40 Adam And Thriller is a series of TV movies that were made sort of on the premise that they would be shown on American TV as movies as well. So you'd get a majority English cast and then one token American actor in a lead role. And, yeah, but there are, it's a pretty consistent series, certainly the first sort of like, the first four series are pretty solid all the way through, which is very rare on a anthology series.

9:15 Adam But definitely, and it was obviously it was made over here, as I say,

9:20 Adam it was made over here with like a sort of token American cast in, but you've got people in there like Robert Powell and Julian Glover, Ingrid Pitt, Anthony Valentine, Dennis Elliot, Dennis Waterman, Jeremy Brett,

9:29 Adam Brian Blessed, who appears on the menu screen, and Claire was desperate for Brian to be in it and spoiler alert, he turned up in the penultimate episode of series six.

9:43 Lee Oh, right.

9:44 Adam But he's been on that menu screen since disc one. And we've been, we've been counting through everyone else.

9:51 Adam Right. We've seen Peter Vo, we've definitely seen Da Elliot, we've seen, we've, we've seen, you know,

9:59 Lee You should have got Robert Powell or whatever. And then you could have played Bingo and whoever got there first.

10:04 Adam Oh, I wish. We should have. You know, you're not going to miss him if he's, if he's got a part to play.

10:08 Adam Yep. Oh, actually, on a side note, I've also been watching Space 1999.

10:12 Adam He's turned up twice in it, and the first time round he was very subdued. And then the second time round, I think he was making up for the fact that he was very subdued in the first fucking bat shit the second time round he turns out.

10:29 Adam First time round you're like, oh yeah, Brian's a really good actor.

10:32 Adam The second time round it's Brian.

10:35 Lee Oh.

10:37 Adam And, certainly the only man who you feel, yes, he probably could shout for someone in a snowstorm.

10:42 Adam But that's by the by.

10:44 Adam but they're, it's a bit like a sort of Tales of the Unexpected. You get like a sort of murder like a sort of crime or murder plot or something like that.

10:54 Adam But a lot of them are puzzles that you have to unravel and some of them are, you do get some that touch into the supernatural and horror and stuff like that.

11:05 Adam there's some episodes that I definitely recommend. There's one called someone at the top of the stairs, which is someone, which is in the first series and it's someone this couple of girls go and stay at this house that's been converted into flats.

11:21 Adam And everyone there's really weird and it gets weirder and weirder and there's possibly someone at the top of the stairs that might suddenly appear.

11:31 Adam And it almost feels like Sapphire and Steel. It's very, it has that same sort of woozy sort of horror of haunting thing to it.

11:40 Adam there's also one called Nurse will make it better,

11:44 Adam which is, which stars the fucking get this, Diana Dors and Patrick Troughton.

11:52 Lee Wow.

11:53 Adam And Diana Dors basically plays a, she's a nurse who's hired to look after this, paraplegic girl who's like, I think she, she falls off a horse or she's in a car crash and is paralyzed.

12:03 Adam And she comes in as the new nurse. And slowly but insidiously,

12:08 Adam you realize there's a lot more to her, and there's a lot more sort of going on.

12:13 Adam And, yeah, she has powers and she has influence and she's malign,

12:17 Adam and she does it so fucking well.

12:22 Adam And then Patrick Troughton turns up, very much like a sort of early, like,

12:25 Adam it's like his character from The Omen did this on his way to tackle Damien.

12:32 Adam That same sort of character.

12:35 Adam but yeah, they're the very sort of like supernatural ones, but there's also, there's really good just mysteries where you'll be like,

12:40 Adam there's, there's one called where the action is, where this guy somehow gets trapped in the house of the world's biggest gambler who basically imprisons him because he just wants to play him at poker.

12:48 Adam Because he always wins is the thing.

12:52 Adam And it's like just, and that gets dark as fuck as that goes on.

12:56 Adam and there's another one called The Crazy Kill, where Anthony Valentine and another guy have have broken out of prison.

13:00 Adam So they break into this guy's house and it's Den and Denm Elliot and his wife. And slowly, but surely, first of all, they have to pose Anthony Valentine has to pose as his butler when the police come round.

13:08 Adam And then it oh no, when a journalist comes around. And then it gets weirder and you realize that actually Anthony Valentine's not the only person with something to hide.

13:17 Adam And it's.

13:18 Adam Yeah.

13:19 Adam Yeah, seriously, as a series, there's a lot more, there's a lot more hit than miss.

13:26 Adam And, unfortunately, they're long gone now obviously, but the network DVD, which is the version I've got, as a bonus includes in America, they would bung in about 15 minutes extra, so it would run for two hours on their showing because they'd put more adverts in and stuff like that.

13:37 Adam And these were basically little precursor bits that they filmed that were meant to stick into like sort of be a prologue to the film.

13:45 Adam And they're all fuck no, it's brilliant because they're all fucking so wrong.

13:51 Adam Because, you know, you've you've got a, you've got like a thriller that's set in North London and then like they just film a guy's feet clearly in New York. Walking around clearly not English streets as the murderer, because there's close-ups of his trainers in the actual program.

14:05 Adam And, and they are ridiculously sensationalist. It's just magical to watch those because you just you watch it and it'll be something like, oh, that one's yeah,

14:15 Adam it's just setting a library with John Le Mesurier as this creepy old man. And then by the time it's on there, you've got like fucking death wish by the time that like the American intro's been added in.

14:27 Adam But yeah, so network put them at the end of the thing, which was like a nice thing of it was almost like having an ad break between episodes that you could sort of watch, oh, this is what they, this is the mad shit that they bunge in here that doesn't fit. Well done.

14:38 Lee You got Peter Von, though, at the start of Charles the Unexpected. I mean, he said some random. It's just brilliant stuff.

14:44 Adam Oh, yeah. That's the thing. It lacks a narrator in that sense. It doesn't have a presenter or anything else like that. But the stories, like I say, they're pretty consistently good and even the ones that are, you know, it's the stuff that isn't supernatural, there's enough stuff where you're just like, I just need to know how this, what is the puzzle of this?

14:59 Adam You know, there's, there's, what was there, there was another one called Ne of Teresa, which is just, yeah, track that one down because that is,

15:06 Adam because you're like, but what, how is this happening? And the, the final explanation, whether you go with it or not, it's like, that's fucking clever.

15:15 Adam I have not seen that in any other thing and this is from like 1973. So I'm surprised it hasn't been ripped off a lot.

15:23 Chris That's truly impressive.

15:24 Adam Yeah.

15:25 Lee Definitely rip.

15:26 Adam But yeah, so Thriller would be the one I would say, yeah, that's been a lot of our watching, so.

15:31 Lee Excellent. Fantastic.

15:33 Lee Chris, what have you managed to squeeze into your watching agenda?

15:37 Chris So, so I have watched, Don't hug me, I'm scared,

15:42 Chris which in my head was still, I don't know, it just been released on, I think it was Channel 4. It was on one of the streaming TV channels I watched it on.

15:51 Chris And but I think it was like 2022 now that it actually came out.

15:54 Adam I think it was Whenever the Queen, it was whenever the Queen died because they fucking took it off air, like the final two episodes off air.

16:02 Chris Well, that still seems like it should have been last month, as far as I'm concerned.

16:04 Chris So, who knows, whatever's happened in the past year or nearly two.

16:09 Chris But yeah, so, so and I didn't know what to expect.

16:13 Chris I I can't remember if we talked about it when it was released. I don't know if either of you or Jennifer, you've watched it.

16:20 Jennifer I feel like we talked.

16:21 Adam I've watched, I've watched some of it. Okay. The actual Channel 4 one, yeah.

16:27 Chris Yeah.

16:27 Chris Okay. So, so it was interesting at first. I didn't get into it as quickly.

16:33 Chris I suppose because it changed to 20 plus minutes per episode. It sort of felt a bit, it's just a bit of a change where you're expecting it to be sort of quick and explain, you know, the theme and then get to the end.

16:41 Chris But but after a little while, I really did start to get into it. And then what was funny, I actually went back and just watched the first episode of the web series and it's like, oh, that's that's kind of now,

16:47 Chris it's now more uncanny that it looks like a wrong version of that.

16:52 Chris When that looks like a wrong version of all your kids programs. It's like, no, I've got used to that now. So that's sort of almost looking normal. Now this looks really weird to see the originals.

17:00 Chris But yeah, it's like, so I really enjoyed it. I I do love the the themes that they cover, like we got jobs, death, family, friendship, transport,

17:09 Chris and then the final one, electricity, which is certainly more than just electricity.

17:13 Chris But it's interesting, there's definitely some character development throughout.

17:16 Chris And I I started to quite like yellow guy and in this one, things kind of step up a bit. He even goes upstairs in the house and there's there's a there's a sort of hint there's something, because you, I mean, they've clearly got loads of references throughout all of the episodes that if you're so inclined, you know, there's probably quite a lot you could think about and try and see what they're getting out at deeper levels than than the obvious.

17:34 Chris And how so I think there is, there is an extra layer of story, which whether they do continue to go into it or not, I don't know. I haven't seen if there's any plans.

17:43 Chris But but yeah, it's I I definitely did enjoy it.

17:47 Chris interesting. My son caught a few bits and found it very funny and it's like, no, I have to press stop because it is about to turn very bad.

17:56 Chris And he's like, what what would it how how can it be? Like, look, it's it's silly. It's funny.

18:00 Chris But there's like even the the bits and parts, that's on the first episode on jobs and it's like, oh yeah, you're making bits and parts. And of course, he found it very funny, this idea that you've got this generic factory and they just make these weird bits and parts and then then they make the weird one and then it gets sort of squashed in the machine.

18:10 Chris It's like, it still is, you know, it is a bit horrible still.

18:14 Chris But yeah, so, so I I did really enjoy it.

18:17 Chris and I would quite like it if they made more.

18:19 Adam I remember the jobs one.

18:21 Adam I don't think.

18:22 Chris Yeah, that's the first episode.

18:23 Adam I can't remember how many how many further I watched.

18:27 Adam It wasn't actually through lack of interest. I think it was just genuinely. Didn't yeah.

18:31 Adam Forgot they were on, you know, just forgot about it and yeah, didn't.

18:34 Chris Well, I guess I guess it didn't have, it didn't have a huge announcement,

18:37 Chris but it clearly has got, has got, you know, some people really do like it,

18:42 Chris from some of the comments I saw online.

18:44 Chris So, yeah, it's got a bit of a following.

18:47 Adam Yeah, I think I do need to go back and finish it up, certainly, yeah.

18:52 Chris I I think it was, yeah, and I I definitely enjoyed it. I think it's worth a watch.

18:56 Lee Oh, excellent.

18:57 Jennifer Nice. Got there for the list.

18:59 Lee so I've watched two films, both in exactly the same vein,

19:03 Lee and both came out in the same year, which is how I actually, the film I'm going to cover now, I watched by accident because I thought it was the one that I'm going to mention later.

19:13 Lee but as it features both Patrick Troughton and Dennis Waterman, who you've just mentioned, I watched Scars of Dracula during the week.

19:23 Adam I thought it must be, yeah.

19:25 Lee

19:26 Lee yeah, what a funny little film that is.

19:30 Lee I I I really enjoyed it.

19:32 Lee It's just, it's such a strange cast. I don't know why.

19:37 Adam

19:38 Lee obviously a lot of the sort of Hammer films carry the Michael Ripper's in it and people who you'd expect and obviously Christopher Lee is Dracula.

19:44 Lee Yeah.

19:46 Lee but yeah, it's just a very strange little story,

19:48 Lee but it works really well and I really enjoy it. Patrick Troughton always, I always find it weird when he's in horror stuff because in my mind, I always remember him from being in The Box of Delights, which I'm a slightly fan of and watch every Christmas without fail.

33:24 Lee yeah, so I remember him as this kindly old gentleman. So whenever you see him like in this where he plays Clove, who's who's basically Dracula's familiar and just, you know, chops bodies up for him.

33:29 Lee It just seems odd. I just can't, but I mean, he looks sinister as fuck. So it definitely works, but it's.

33:34 Adam That's that's the weird thing. Patrick Troughton naturally does look like a villain.

33:37 Lee Yeah.

33:38 Adam So the fact that to me, to me he's the doctor, to you, he's the guy from Box of Delights, you know, these sort of like helpful heroic sort of but no, but his calling is, yeah, he is designed to sculpt around laboratories.

33:49 Adam That's, you know, he's, that's him. Yeah.

33:53 Lee and I'd really like, I really like Dennis Waterman in it. I mean, it's, you know, often when they pick somebody out of British TV and put them in a, you know, a big movie like this, it doesn't always carry over so well.

34:03 Lee It's a completely different style.

34:06 Lee but I don't know if it's just because it's so British being a Hammer film, then it's Waterman just just works really well in it.

34:14 Lee But it's just, it's a really strange story. I don't know why.

34:18 Lee There's something about it.

34:19 Lee It just seems very short.

34:22 Lee Like the film doesn't feel short, but the story is just his brother turns up, he goes missing, him and his girlfriend go looking for the brother.

34:30 Lee And and that's basically what happened, and then they killed Dracula, unsurprisingly, because it's Hammer film.

34:36 Lee but yeah, it's really good. It's really enjoyable. I love all the sets and the, it's got a lot of those backlog sets that they use still.

34:43 Lee yeah, and it's great, really good fun.

34:45 Lee So,

34:47 Adam The the Hammer Dracula series, weirdly, apart from like the seventies ones, because they kind of go a bit balls out to make it a big deal.

34:59 Adam but the the rest of them after the first one, they're very sort of, they feel like there was a Dracula TV series.

35:09 Lee Yes.

35:11 Adam You know, like you say, they're not big plots, they're not like the universe of horrors of world plots. They are very sort of just a story that occurs around Dracula in that moment almost. It's not about the bigger sort of story.

35:26 Adam It's just it's quite sort of, not mundane's the wrong word when you're dealing with fucking the undead and magic and stuff like that.

35:34 Lee Just think type of situations that they sort of, but yeah, I mean,

35:38 Lee as I say, the fact that they knocked this and the other film I'm about to talk talk about later on out in the same year.

35:46 Lee Yeah, I suppose that's the thing.

35:48 Lee So they didn't go too much into plot. They were just like, people are going to turn up.

35:53 Lee Let's just have somebody else with a two minute back story stumbling on Dracula's castle and then it all kicks off.

35:59 Lee And they work. I don't know how they manage, but they just make it work.

36:04 Adam Well, speak speaking of Dennis Waterman, that's another episode I'd recommend from Thriller is there's one called The Eyes Have It. And it's Dennis Waterman and, oh, I can't name, but basically, it's setting a school for the blind.

36:21 Adam And these terrorists turn up, they're going to use it as a point for an assassination, and it's Peter Vaughn is one of the terrorists.

36:31 Adam And it's one of those things where it's just done so again, so brilliantly on like, you know, but anyway, that's besides the point, but yeah,

36:40 Adam that that's another one of the recommends is definitely, yeah, because it was just you saying Dennis Waterman, I was like, oh shit, yeah, that's a really fucking good one.

36:49 Lee Excellent. Yeah.

36:50 Lee Jennifer is Googling at the moment, trying to find a copy of that box set right now.

36:53 Jennifer I'm trying to find for a reasonable price.

36:55 Lee So, next film,

36:56 Jennifer Jennifer.

36:57 Jennifer Yes. next film, we went back and rewatched, Lot 249 from the Ghost Stories for Christmas.

37:05 Adam Oh, yes.

37:06 Jennifer Once, obviously, when it was actually aired on Christmas Eve.

37:12 Jennifer And it'd been a long day.

37:13 Lee It had been a long day.

37:13 Jennifer I probably, I think watching it this time, I probably did fall asleep just before the end.

37:19 Jennifer So I was like, I don't remember that bit.

37:21 Jennifer so it was good to watch it whilst wide awake.

37:25 Jennifer And yeah, I mean it obviously very biased because anything that Mark Gatiss does,

37:30 Jennifer obviously, love.

37:31 Jennifer But, yeah, really well done.

37:34 Jennifer Managed to sort of weave the eeriness into it. But also, I thought like of its time, you know, it really set that up, didn't it, with the way they're, you know, they would be behaving at that time and, you know, playing cricket and all these different things and, yeah, I thought it was great, really good.

37:47 Adam Yeah, because it's based, because it was based, obviously, it's a Conan Doyle story.

37:53 Adam And I I'll be honest, I wasn't too sure about them bunging Sherlock Holmes in it.

37:59 Jennifer He's sneaky, wasn't he?

38:00 Jennifer Yeah.

38:00 Adam You like just a sneaking, is it, is it Sherlock Holmes and then getting him to say no ghosts need apply and it's like, right.

38:08 Jennifer Oh, I mean, yeah.

38:11 Jennifer I thought.

38:12 Adam But, but it's my favorite mummy story.

38:16 Adam because because it's the, you know the Ladybird books of horror they had?

38:20 Jennifer No, I was going to find mine earlier.

38:21 Jennifer Just so I could wave it at you, because I love that. Obsessively read it over and over again.

38:26 Jennifer It was great.

38:27 Adam Yeah. And it was just so, it's always stuck with me that that's like that.

38:31 Adam In my head that's, that's the mummy. If someone says the mummy, it's not Imhotep, it's not the sort of, you know, lost loves or anything else like that.

38:35 Jennifer It's.

38:37 Jennifer Burning leaves and burning leaves in a student, in a student flat and yeah, that's what it is to me.

38:44 Lee You said about Sherlock Holmes though, I quite liked it, but mainly because I thought John Heffernan who played him in this.

38:51 Lee he's got the look. Like he could play Holmes, so I I was sold just on that.

38:56 Adam Because I was because I think that was the thing is I think I twigged it that early that I was like, he could play Sherlock Holmes. Right. Okay, I see what you've done there.

39:06 Adam also, apparently, and I don't know if this is, this is a worry in a way is apparently they were doing a documentary about, Sherlock Holmes, around Christmas. and that they got it made on the back of that, but apparently initially they weren't going to ask for a ghost story for Christmas.

39:22 Jennifer Oh.

39:23 Adam And Mark Gates, I'd read an interview with him somewhere where he was just saying, you know, don't know if there'll be any more because we sort of piggybacked this on the fact they were doing a Conan Doyle related thing on BBC Four.

39:36 Jennifer He can ask, he could piggyback one each year, I reckon, surely.

39:40 Adam Yeah, I think they must be able to.

39:42 Adam You know.

39:44 Lee I mean, they're just, they're still so, so I love the Gatiss ones too. They're Christmas Eve.

39:49 Lee There's not much else when you're an adult. Not much look forward to the next day really.

39:54 Lee I mean, I love.

39:54 Adam Well, I've loved.

39:55 Lee Sorry Dave, if you're listening, lovely day, also Chrissy, it's amazing.

40:00 Lee Christmas was. I mean, it's not the same excitement, is it?

40:04 Lee The TV, it's a highlight of the TV schedule for the last five years.

40:07 Adam Yeah, and last, last Christmas was a bloody wash out in terms of telly. I don't think there was.

40:13 Adam I don't think there was anything on.

40:15 Adam Like, usually you get a few bits and pieces. Again, I was slightly disappointed there wasn't a Christmas Inside number nine.

40:24 Adam Yeah.

40:25 Adam But in fairness, if you've got I think they're doing series nine, which I think is going to be the last series.

40:29 Jennifer Yeah, that's what they've said, isn't it?

40:31 Adam So maybe they didn't want to like, do we want to have to come up with a Christmas related one or can we write six? You know what I mean?

40:39 Adam You don't want to necessarily lobby in there and only have five episodes left to do in the series or something.

40:45 Lee Yeah, and the cast as well, wasn't it? It was like Freddie Fox was just as you like, isn't he?

40:51 Jennifer He's got that look about him, hasn't he? Just, yeah.

40:54 Lee Yeah.

40:55 Lee And obviously Kit Harrington, it's the only thing I've seen him in other than obviously being Jon Snow and it's such a completely different character.

41:03 Jennifer Oh, yeah, he can act.

41:05 Lee There you go. It's amazing.

41:06 Lee Yeah.

41:07 Adam He was actually, yeah, no, he was, I was sort of because you expect it to just be Jon Snow.

41:13 Lee Yeah.

41:14 Adam But he, the guy who played the mummy, James Swanton. he was when I saw the live Quate mess thing they did back in September with Mark Gatiss,

41:21 Adam he played Karoon, like the astronaut. And obviously, it's not a particularly vocal part, but he actually just did like mime against light to do transformations and stuff like that at the show.

41:30 Adam And it was really fucking good. And yeah, and I can see the physicality of him why he was in as the mummy.

41:36 Adam but apparently he is, obsessed with Conrad Veidt from, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari and and others.

41:41 Adam so yeah.

41:44 Lee You could see it, you really could. His performance in this as the mummy was.

41:46 Lee And I mean, the look of the mummy was just, oh, it was.

41:50 Adam Oh, yeah. No, they did it. They did it very well.

41:55 Lee Excellent.

41:56 Lee Right.

41:57 Adam Oh, yeah.

41:59 Adam Yes.

42:01 Adam well, I think I'll just give it a this is, this was one of my, this was a a Christmas present from, my beautiful, my beautiful wife.

42:15 Adam but on the Conrad Veidt, tip, watched Wax Works, the silent anthology and very fucking good, very fucking good.

42:22 Adam but also on a brief note, we also watched Wellington Paranormal series four, which we hadn't seen before, which is like the the last one that they made.

42:28 Adam and now there is a Wellington Paranormal podcast.

42:32 Adam And it's Mike Miano and Karen O'ry who play officers Manog and O'ry.

42:38 Adam And just listening to them is fucking magic,

42:41 Adam because they're just such good mates and everything else like that. It's like getting extra time with Manog and O'ry anyway.

42:48 Adam But it's also really fascinating to hear like the background of how the show worked and stuff like that.

42:49 Adam They've just had Jermaine Clement on for an interview. so obviously, yeah, and like, Sergeant Mark has been on there and officer Parker have been, you know, they've interviewed lots of people with regard to it

42:57 Adam and it's just a really good podcast and I'm hoping that if we all listen to it, they might make series five.

43:02 Jennifer Right, let's get on there then quick.

43:04 Lee Yeah.

43:04 Lee Definitely.

43:05 Lee To our lists.

43:07 Adam So you have your, you have your instructions.

43:10 Jennifer That's how it works today. Brilliant.

43:12 Adam Yeah.

43:12 Lee I think we watched the first series and we didn't and I I don't think.

43:16 Lee I think I didn't hear about the others coming out, so we never.

43:19 Jennifer Is it what? Oh, seriously.

43:20 Adam Seriously.

43:20 Jennifer On Amazon, in which case.

43:23 Adam To be to be honest, get them, watch them,

43:25 Adam and we talk about it on the show, we do an episode on Wellington.

43:28 Adam because, you know, it's, it's so in our fucking wheelhouse.

43:31 Jennifer Cool.

43:32 Lee Excellent. That sounds fantastic.

43:33 Lee Definitely have to do that.

43:34 Lee Chris.

43:36 Chris So I went, I went for it follows.

43:39 Chris Now, superficially, I didn't watch this a few times when I nearly did, because it's called it follows, and in my head, I'm like, I could watch this.

43:46 Chris I could just watch it, just because it's its name.

43:52 Lee Was there a film called follows?

43:55 Chris Well, possibly.

43:56 Adam Or was it just you being lazy when you were typing it in, you got to start.

43:59 Chris No.

44:00 Chris I'm done. I'm done.

44:01 Chris Look at that.

44:03 Chris But but I decided, no, I'm going to do it.

44:05 Chris I've heard, I have heard positive things about it.

44:08 Chris I I want to see what's about.

44:10 Chris I think I did hear, you know, the rough premise, and I was like, I can't exactly imagine how I could really want to watch a film about that for the whole length of time.

44:21 Chris However, as as I got past the the initial premise, and it got deeper and deeper, I realized actually, it does have extra layers of interest and sort of philosophical ideas of children entering adulthood and realizing that one day they will expire and it's impossible to avoid that and tied up with the whole, you know, idea of sex and what that can mean to different people, at different ages and, you know, what experiences you have.

44:39 Chris It's like, okay, you know, actually, they've they've done something pretty good with the plot line.

44:42 Chris And then also, what really sold it to me, amazing music by, Rich Vreeland, also known as Disasterpiece.

44:51 Chris And the whole, the whole aesthetic of it was, it was kind of nostalgic, like it did seem, I don't I don't exactly know when it was set, but it seemed both old and new in some of the decisions that they'd made.

45:05 Chris yeah, and so overall, it it really worked well.

45:12 Chris yeah, I I think I'd quite happily watch it again, knowing now a bit more about it.

45:17 Adam I still got to bloody see it.

45:19 Chris Well, that'd be interesting.

45:20 Chris It's so.

45:21 Adam Yeah.

45:21 Adam I've got the soundtrack, and I love the soundtrack.

45:24 Chris Oh.

45:24 Chris Okay. Yeah.

45:25 Chris It is. It is amazing.

45:26 Chris Yeah.

45:26 Adam In contention. It's like, just but again, getting around to it.

45:30 Adam It's I'm sure I'm sure I have plussed it, from from one of the from one of the cable channels.

45:37 Adam but yeah, but the disaster piece, yeah, like the music is just fucking good.

45:43 Chris Really is.

45:44 Chris Yeah, because I mean, it it calls back to to some classics, such as John Carpenter and and others, but I think he has added his own elements that really, yeah, add something extra.

45:55 Chris So, no, I was I was impressed. It it turned out a lot better than I expected from the start.

46:00 Jennifer I feel like the name is a little bit boring, isn't it? It follow.

46:02 Chris Yeah, yeah.

46:03 Jennifer It's a bit subdued, isn't it?

46:05 Jennifer So.

46:06 Chris Yeah.

46:07 Lee I think it did a bit when the public domain as well, which is why I was a bit, oh,

46:12 Lee any horror film that generally gets picked up by people who aren't generally horror films, horror fans, nine times out of ten.

46:19 Chris Well, I can't see, yeah, I can't see why, because it it appears to be something that is, more easily accessible. I think it it does appear to be a simplistic plot idea, but yeah, I would say there is there is a lot more going on in it than and and it just played out really well.

46:35 Chris Yeah, just the tension was built perfectly.

46:39 Chris And even the fact there were not really many adults, they're all youths. I don't exactly know what their ages are, but yeah,

46:46 Chris it's like and then they did. It was a really good cast.

46:49 Chris So I was I was impressed.

46:51 Adam I've always, I mean, I've always heard good things about it,

46:54 Adam but again, it's just.

46:56 Chris Yeah.

46:57 Adam Yeah.

46:57 Chris There's always something else.

46:59 Adam There's always.

46:59 Chris There's always something else.

47:00 Adam I mean, you know, I'm trying if I started catching up chronologically,

47:02 Adam we are fucked.

47:04 Lee You're doing 70s now.

47:04 Adam Yeah, exactly.

47:05 Adam I mean,

47:06 Adam yeah, but I'd have to go back further than that.

47:08 Adam That'd be. Haven't watched everything from the silent era yet.

47:11 Adam Not yet.

47:12 Lee Well, keeping us in the seventies.

47:14 Lee So my other film that I watched, which was the one I wanted to watch when I watched Scars, my second favorite Hammer film of all time, Taste of Blood of Dracula, I've rewatched.

47:21 Lee Yes.

47:22 Lee My God, that's a good film.

47:25 Lee Jeffrey Keene again turned up in Horrors of the Black Museum. And it was funny, because the whole time I was watching it, I'd only watched Taste of Blood of Dracula about three days before, but because he's so much younger in Black Museum, I kept going,

47:34 Lee I've seen him in something as some miserable old shit really recently.

47:39 Lee Took me a while.

47:40 Lee but yeah, obviously Peter Salllis is in it as well, talking about taking British TV who totally random. Anthony Higgins is fantastic, who I've only also seen in Young Sherlock Holmes.

47:50 Lee Oh, yes.

47:50 Adam Yeah.

47:51 Lee Young Sherlock.

47:52 Lee Young Sherlock Holmes.

47:54 Lee but yeah, oh, and Linda Hayden as well. So, who's from, Blood on Satan's Floor.

48:01 Lee Blood on Satan's Floor.

48:03 Lee yeah, and it's really nice and it it does feel like it's got a much bigger story this one,

48:07 Lee as you were saying, as opposed to Scar.

48:09 Lee there's so much going on.

48:11 Lee And oh, it's just, it's bloody brilliant and it looks gorgeous and it sounds great and it just ticks all the boxes for me.

48:16 Lee I just absolutely love it.

48:18 Adam And it's it's interesting because it's kind of like you see that there's another option they could have gone

48:21 Adam where you've got Dracula as a false and Dracula is not diminished in it. Dracula is still evil. But you've got Dracula as an indirect force for good because of these fucking appalling people that he's decided to ruin their fucking like tear their world apart.

48:31 Adam And you're sort of like, yeah, that that feels, you know, that that sort of feels it's like justice, you know, so.

48:38 Lee Yeah.

48:39 Lee It does.

48:40 Lee Fantastic.

48:41 Lee Anyone who hasn't seen it, honestly, go and watch it.

48:43 Lee It's it's my favorite of the Dracula films of out there.

48:47 Adam It's possibly mine. certainly of the traditional ones. 80 72 is probably my ultimate favorite, but I like.

48:53 Lee I like.

48:54 Adam Of the actual of the ones that you could show someone and say this is a Dracula film.

48:59 Lee Yeah.

49:00 Lee Yeah.

49:02 Lee Right. So, let's wrap things up.

49:05 Lee thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

49:08 Lee We will be back in a fortnight's time.

49:10 Lee Adam, what are we doing because I haven't fucking written it down.

49:14 Adam I don't know.

49:15 Adam

49:16 Lee we'll put it up on social and let you know.

49:19 Jennifer Jennifer, you're in charge for that one.

49:20 Lee We'll we'll put a little agenda on.

49:25 Lee yeah, sorry, we should have discussed that before we started recording it.

49:27 Lee I think I fucking did this last time as well.

49:30 Lee I'm so sorry.

49:31 Lee But at least Adam picked the ball up last time.

49:33 Lee Right.

49:34 Jennifer He need a pool, got ready, it's Adam.

49:36 Lee He's the one.

49:37 Lee Right, thanks ever so much for listening, everybody. take care of yourselves, go and watch all the things we've recommended,

49:41 Lee go and listen to the not for everyone podcast and we'll see you in a fortnight.

49:44 Lee Good night.

49:45 Adam Good night.

49:46 Lee Good night.

49:47 Adam Good night.