The Blair Witch Project

0:21 Lee Good evening, and welcome to a snotfield. Welcome to horror.

0:25 Lee I am Mucus Loaded Lee.

0:28 Chris I am Normally Loaded Chris.

0:32 Adam And I am Bogiedacious Adam.

0:36 Lee Um, we have had yet another, uh, cursed episode this evening.

0:43 Lee Uh we were supposed to be joined by Manny, who unfortunately had a last-minute pressing engagement.

0:49 Lee Um, I uh, friend of the show and previous guest Chris Jones was going to join in his stead, um, I was then super ill and had to cancel.

0:59 Lee That was four days ago, and then this morning when I woke up to start recording, I was super ill again, so I had to tell Chris, probably best not to come and share a microphone. Um, and now Adam is ill on top of it, so it's a bit of a miracle that we're all here to be honest.

1:08 Chris It's gonna go well.

1:09 Adam Yeah, we'll just see how we go. I mean, will we make it to the end?

1:12 Chris Oh.

1:13 Lee This is the problem with Robo tripping through an episode, I don't know what's going to be said and I'm still not editing it, so.

1:18 Chris It's a bit meta, just like The Blair Witch.

1:21 Lee Mmm.

1:22 Adam Oh.

1:23 Lee Well, you know, a warning people, there will be spoilers on the main film, but not anything we cover in advance of that.

1:28 Lee Uh, and we will probably swear a lot because we're all coughed syrup up.

1:31 Lee Um, yeah.

1:33 Lee Yeah, so, beware if you don't like swearing.

1:35 Adam Hell yeah.

1:36 Lee Now's the time to fuck off.

1:38 Adam Rampant on a heady mixture of Tixylix and night time fucking paracetamol.

1:45 Lee Yeah.

1:47 Lee Um, so, yes, we will still be covering the 1999 Blair Witch Project.

1:50 Lee Bit of a classic, I think.

1:53 Lee Um, but before we get into that, let's keep it brief, but here we go.

1:56 Lee Chris, what have you been What have you got there, Chris, what have you been watching?

2:00 Chris I have been watching, um I've been watching something called Foundation.

2:04 Chris Anyone heard of that?

2:05 Adam Oh, cool, the, um, Asimov.

2:07 Chris Yes, Isaac Asimov, yeah, adaptation.

2:10 Chris Um, now, I really like it. It, it feels like to me a good, a good follow on from The Expanse, which I mentioned last episode.

2:15 Chris So it's it's proper, proper epic scale sci-fi with, I would say, it's got some dark, you know, maybe horror-ish aspects on occasion. Um, but it it is is particularly for me an interesting idea.

2:27 Chris I hadn't heard of before, um, not not real, I'll say.

2:30 Chris But in it, a mathematician has created a field called psychohistory, which tries to use maths to foresee what's going to happen to a civilization.

2:38 Chris And in this, he predicts that the civilization is not going to do very well very soon and of course that brings in concepts of, well, him saying it, does that influence it and what is going to influence it and is it true and you know, so that that's all quite interesting.

2:51 Chris Um, and but particularly something that stood out to me is and obviously not giving away too much of the plot. I mean, that's that's pretty obvious part of the plot very quickly.

2:59 Chris But in it, there's a essentially a superhuman level AI based robot.

3:05 Chris So, you know, looks human but is very skilled, far more than than I am certainly.

3:10 Chris And helps the emperor of the civilization to to run everything.

3:15 Chris But the emperor is a clone of himself, so he's had several generations.

3:19 Chris And the relationship that the robot has with him, we've sort of learned in in the most recent episode is quite complex.

3:24 Chris Like you can't tell, you know, it suggests that she may love him and which one does she love, all of them equally.

3:30 Chris And it's like it's quite a feels like a concept of our time as we every day seem to be hearing more and more about what what amazing things they I can do and we've still got a long way to go, but, you know, it is quite a an interesting philosophical point.

3:44 Adam Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of sort of those Asimov concepts like like really good like a lot of really good science fiction, it's stuff that is now kind of...

3:54 Chris We're on the cusp of it.

3:56 Adam We're on the cusp of it.

3:57 Chris Yeah, yeah.

3:59 Adam I keep I keep trying to persuade them at work, uh, because I work for an IT company, and I keep trying to persuade them that they should look into the concept of, uh, becoming an AI psychologist.

4:11 Adam In so much as AI are probably going to need therapy.

4:15 Lee Yeah.

4:16 Adam Having to deal with us.

4:18 Adam So, you know, you might actually need like a confessor.

4:20 Adam All of you know.

4:22 Chris I suppose it like in things like Star Wars, you know, that no no, so I had obviously I'd heard of Isaac Asimov but I'd never read the books.

4:30 Chris I guess it was a sense of they're probably not going to hold up compared to modern sci-fi, so never rushed to read it.

4:36 Adam I think no, Asimov's stuff still pretty it does certainly seem to.

4:40 Chris Yeah.

4:41 Adam I mean, certainly, I mean, even like with, uh, the short story collection I, Robot, which is fuck all to do with the film.

4:50 Chris Right.

4:50 Chris Yeah, well, that's I mean this a negative point on this is it has been adapted quite significantly.

4:55 Chris So if you are a true fan of the books, you may uh, be a little put off by this, so yeah.

5:01 Adam I think it makes sense but I mean, yeah, but I mean like I, Robot, I mean, in that.

5:04 Adam Where it came up with the principles that are actually adhered to by gen robotics theorists and stuff like that, the, you know, cannot cannot harm someone.

5:13 Adam Cannot do harm.

5:14 Chris Is it three rules?

5:15 Adam Yeah, it's the three rules of robotics, none of which I can quite.

5:18 Chris No, I'm not.

5:19 Adam Not on this much cold and flu.

5:22 Adam Tesco's as well, you know.

5:23 Adam So it's the argh shit.

5:26 Chris But yeah, so that that's good.

5:27 Chris A couple of other just quickly, um, watched the first episode of it's on Disney Plus, it's like Star Wars short stories made in the style of manga, anime.

5:36 Adam Oh, yes.

5:38 Chris Yeah.

5:38 Adam Yeah, I haven't watched it, but I have seen the things for it.

5:41 Adam Yeah.

5:41 Chris Yeah, it's fantastic style.

5:43 Chris I mean, I've not watched a lot of manga, um, but I think the first one is kind of a samurai type.

5:47 Chris Which obviously fits with a Jedi, but yeah, you know, it you know, seems like an interesting idea, so I think we will sort of gradually work our way through them.

5:55 Chris Um.

5:56 Adam And it sort of reflects back because obviously like Rashomon, like the Japanese film that was such a.

6:01 Chris Ah.

6:02 Adam Influence on.

6:06 Chris I think you mentioned that, yeah.

6:08 Adam Yeah.

6:09 Adam Such an influence on George Lucas doing Star Wars where it's like, and it is like, uh, like ancient Japan, samurai stuff.

6:16 Chris Yeah, yeah.

6:18 Chris Um.

6:21 Adam But yeah, I've been meaning to check them out because they do look good.

6:24 Adam I think the concept is basically that it's, you know, it's like an Elseworld sort of scenario, you know, like they do with comics, so it's just like an alternate thing where the Star Wars story plays out in feudal Japan.

6:34 Chris Yeah.

6:35 Chris Yeah.

6:35 Chris I guess interesting, nice to be able to play with those sort of things.

6:39 Chris If you're given given that sort of ability.

6:42 Chris Um.

6:43 Chris Yeah.

6:43 Chris And and of course I also watched the um, the documentary recommended by you Adam for The Blair Witch, which I won't talk about until later.

6:48 Chris There's a little teaser for everybody.

6:50 Adam It is kind of the part of the movie I always think.

6:54 Chris Yes, yeah, I will agree.

6:56 Chris Certainly.

6:58 Lee Excellent.

6:59 Lee Well done, Chris.

7:00 Lee Uh so Adam, what have you been storming your way through during your uh disease ridden few days?

7:07 Adam Well, I mean, as as as the, uh, as the, the, well, up until recently, the nurse of the of the team here.

7:12 Adam Um, I've I've surprisingly watched a lot, so I will buster rhyme my way through this.

7:16 Adam So that we just get there.

7:18 Adam Um, I'm going to go in, um, one that's actually weirdly relevant to The Blair Witch. I wanted to watch it and I found it cheap, uh, was a film called, um, Altered.

7:32 Adam Which is, uh, an alien abduction movie, uh, directed by Eduardo Sanchez, who's one of the co-directors of The Blair Witch.

7:40 Adam Um, and Mike from The Blair Witch is in it.

7:44 Adam Uh and basically it's a it's it's a pretty good film.

7:46 Adam I would love to hear, not for everyone cover it, definitely, because I think it's got enough good stuff as well as bizarre stuff or what the fuck stuff going on in it that they would make a good review or episode of it.

7:56 Adam But basically, the premise is that it's a group of like Rednecks who've been abducted years ago, go out nightly trying to find an alien and then one night catch one.

8:05 Adam And and it's like the fallout of that where they take it back to one of their houses and are like, well, we've got it now.

8:11 Adam So, you know, we'll we'll give them what for.

8:13 Adam Give them a probin.

8:15 Adam And then it's like, but obviously, it's a fucking alien, so it can do things and, yeah, it's like got mind's got mind control and bizarre.

8:21 Adam And it's it's one of those films that's weirdly, it does have it definitely, I think, veers into horror comedy.

8:33 Adam In so much as it is it's that thing of you've got these four people who have really fucking bitten off more than they can chew.

8:40 Adam But but that and gradually lose that confidence that they started with.

8:47 Adam You know, from the from the thing of it, they're very gung-ho and then it's like, shit, this is playing out really fucking badly.

8:52 Adam So.

8:54 Adam Um, but yeah, definitely, uh, definitely worth a watch.

8:56 Adam It was more of a it was just something I'd always wanted to see and I thought while we're covering Blair Witch, I'll definitely check it out.

9:02 Adam Um, the other thing that has turned up oddly on Amazon Prime, which I'm really sort of pleased about is I watched The Green Knight.

9:08 Adam Which is the, uh, Gawain and the Green Knight adaption.

9:12 Lee Yeah.

9:14 Adam Really fucking good, really just beautiful, just a proper trip.

9:19 Adam Um, and the thing I really like about it is it kind of it has There's definitely a thing going into it, be aware that they will have an expectation that you know the basics of Arthurian legend.

9:30 Adam Because there's sort of bits in it which almost it feels like it's like Rogue One or like a Marvel movie but like the third one of a Marvel series or whatever like that.

9:42 Adam Because.

9:43 Adam There's characters who are highlighted, who are obviously much more important than the main character, but they don't even get named.

9:51 Adam But it's like, oh, that's clearly Merlin.

9:53 Adam Or, you know, and so you've got Arthur and Guinevere and Lancelot, but they're like barely involved, but basically the story of Gawain and the Green Knight is the a giant Green Knight turns up one day when they're having a party, says, uh, anyone who can anyone who wants to strike me with a blow, they can do so and if they defeat me, uh, I will leave and we will recommence this in a year's time and I will do the same move that you did to me.

10:05 Adam So Gawain pops up, chops the thing's head off and then the body just gets back up, picks up the head and fucks off and says, see you in a year's time.

10:12 Adam And, yeah, I mean, that's the basic of it, but that does not even approach how.

10:16 Adam Fucking like astounding it looks and.

10:21 Lee It does.

10:22 Lee And it it almost overrides the fact that at the time I was like, just give him a nipple twist, like if all he's going to do is come back in a year's time and do to you what you did to him, just give him a very light slap on the face.

10:34 Lee Like you don't need to cut his head off in one blow.

10:37 Adam Yeah.

10:38 Lee And ultimately, murder yourself.

10:40 Lee But.

10:41 Chris I imagine these knights have got a little bit of ego that, you know.

10:47 Adam Well, I mean, that's the I mean that's the thing is it's kind of like it is a sort of tale of a a man reaching.

10:54 Adam Because in the in the sort of accepted story of it, Gawain is already a knight, but in this, it's how he becomes a knight.

11:02 Adam Is that he goes on this quest, so it's part of his sort of quest to become a noble person.

11:08 Adam It's like, you did cut a bloke's head off who wasn't even fucking fighting mate, you know, that.

11:14 Chris So it's not.

11:15 Chris It's not to get a shrubbery then.

11:18 Adam No.

11:19 Adam Not even two shrubberies but the part of it in the middle.

11:25 Adam Um, that is but yeah, that is really highly recommended.

11:28 Lee Definitely.

11:29 Adam Uh, what they called, um, A24 and so it's it's in that same sort of vein as stuff like.

11:36 Chris Everything you could hope for.

11:38 Adam Yeah, it's like The Witch or The Lighthouse, one of those things where it's just, you know, I would I think there's probably an argument to be made with a lot of those films of style over substance.

11:47 Adam But the style is so much part of it that you're like, yeah.

11:51 Lee Yeah, see, I generally have a problem with style over substance but I enjoyed every minute of that film and and yeah, and I and I recommend it to you guys because, yeah, I just thought it was so beautiful that.

12:00 Lee Yeah, I just let it go, really.

12:02 Adam Yeah.

12:03 Adam And and a great and a really good and moderate pretty small cast but a really fucking good one.

12:10 Adam Like Dev Patel's brilliant.

12:11 Adam And, um, also.

12:13 Adam Um, and also, did you spot that is, um, Ralph Ineson was the knight, who is the dad from The Witch.

12:21 Lee Yes.

12:21 Lee Yeah.

12:22 Lee You know his voice as soon as you hear him.

12:24 Adam You can hear it in his voice, yeah.

12:25 Lee I kept waiting for him to say all to, but he didn't.

12:28 Lee He decided.

12:30 Adam Or to.

12:31 Adam No, that's Sean, that's Mr. Bean, not not Mr. Bean, but.

12:37 Adam But yeah, no, the uh, no, he's, uh, he's the Gaviscon ad.

12:40 Adam Come on, lads, this la needs throat clearing.

12:43 Adam Which sounds wrong.

12:45 Lee Yeah.

12:45 Lee But.

12:46 Adam But there we go.

12:47 Lee Not appropriate.

12:48 Adam In a in a proper.

12:50 Adam And finally, I have blasted through all nine episodes in three days of The Squid Game.

12:54 Adam As recommended, as recommended by a friend of the show, Alex.

12:56 Adam And former guest, Alex.

12:57 Lee Hey, Alex.

12:59 Adam Um.

13:00 Adam Yeah, definitely.

13:02 Adam All I will say is, I I think this is the the best recommendation I can make is watch it now because literally loads of people are talking about it, it will get more and more and you want to you want to experience it before you've ruined it by.

13:12 Adam What does this mean that keeps appearing on it?

13:14 Adam Yeah.

13:15 Adam Because there'll be one thing that comes out of it that someone will use and then it'll be like, oh, well, what what is that from?

13:21 Adam Oh, from that Squid Game.

13:22 Adam Oh, right, they've just explained a major plot point.

13:24 Adam Oh, fuck it, I won't bother.

13:26 Adam Do bother before that happens.

13:28 Adam And certainly do and certainly do it before there's like a shitty Western remake because it's a a South Korean show.

13:34 Adam And it's got that sort of thing where you're like, this is going to get remade, they're going to miss the fucking point spectacularly.

13:41 Adam And, yeah, and it'll just be shite, so definitely, but yeah.

13:45 Adam Watch the Squid Game, the premise is basically is that there's a group of people who owe lots of money.

13:51 Adam And they end up involved in a sort of tournament of games.

13:56 Adam Uh, all the games are ones from childhood.

13:59 Adam Now, they're all sort of games that were played in South Korea, but there's stuff like Tug of War.

14:03 Adam There's what they call Red Light, Green Light, which is what's the time Mr. Wolf or Grandma's footsteps.

14:11 Adam Um, but yeah, basically so you compete in these sort of playground games, uh, but if you lose, you're dead.

14:19 Adam There are armed guards who just blow your fucking brains out.

14:22 Adam Um, and so you've got this, you've got this.

14:28 Chris So is it is it a game show then?

14:30 Chris Is it?

14:31 Adam It's no, no, no, no, as as it goes on, it sort of becomes clear that it is an entertainment, but it's it's not like say Blade, not Blade Runner, Running Man.

14:38 Chris Running Man.

14:39 Adam Yeah, it's not TV, it's the year is 19 is 2007, reality shows are now murder.

14:49 Adam You know, it's not sort of that sort of thing, it's basically, yeah, it it exists in the real world where basically, yeah, this is not right what's going on.

14:54 Chris Okay, right.

14:55 Adam Um.

14:56 Adam And but basically, yeah, it fit the best way I can describe it is it's somewhere between The Prisoner and Battle Royale.

15:00 Adam Where it's that sort of thing of a really fucking tense like the sort of an action sequences and sort of people getting like mowed down and sort of really sort of, you know, no no shitting about violence.

15:09 Adam But for but within this world where you're all captive and you've all just been given numbers.

15:13 Adam So, and basically, yeah, so as they go through, obviously, the numbers get whittled down.

15:17 Adam People start playing strategies, but each game there's a turnaround in each game where basically it fucks with you.

15:23 Adam So it'll be like, all right.

15:25 Adam You've got a former team, but I don't know what sort of team I need.

15:29 Adam Hm.

15:30 Adam Do I need people who can do this or you know.

15:33 Adam And so everyone starts sort of like double-thinking and re-thinking and betraying each other or helping each other.

15:39 Adam And there's a real sort of lovely struggle in it of the very best and the very worst that people can be.

15:46 Adam And, yeah, and it's just seriously, it's just so good and like I say, just blast through it.

15:51 Adam And we we did it in the about three nights.

15:54 Adam Started off I I was just watching it and then by the end of the first episode, Claire was watching it with me and that's how we've watched the rest of it.

16:02 Adam And, um, yeah.

16:04 Adam And but it's sort of, um, yeah, I think it's one of those things that just.

16:09 Adam It will also probably end up getting parodied as soon as enough people have seen it, so it'll be one of those things where it's like a loads of fucking, it'll turn up in Rick and Morty or it'll turn up in The Simpsons or something like that.

16:18 Adam And, yeah, um.

16:22 Chris I saw that is is it the most watched ever?

16:28 Adam It's I think it's certainly the most watched foreign language thing on Netflix and it's approaching being the the biggest thing that's seen on Netflix.

16:38 Adam Um.

16:39 Adam Also, I mean it it you do get a satisfying plot line with it, it doesn't leave huge amounts dangling or, you know, it doesn't end on a massive fucking cliffhanger or anything.

16:47 Adam You get a resolution.

16:50 Adam Um, which is good and also I understand that the guy who did it hasn't got.

16:53 Adam A loads of people are talking about the second series, I don't think he is has anything, any ideas in that direction.

16:59 Adam And to tell you the truth, I think it is one of those things that would be, if it if they leave it as it stands now, it's fucking great.

17:04 Chris Yeah.

17:04 Adam All they can probably do is just not do as well because it's that fucking good.

17:09 Adam So.

17:10 Lee Excellent.

17:10 Adam Hardly recommend.

17:12 Lee I should put that on my watch list.

17:14 Chris Excellent.

17:17 Lee Fantastic.

17:18 Lee Um, right, so I also have watched a shit ton of stuff, so I'll try and keep it nice and brief.

17:23 Lee Um, so, uh, Shudder original, I believe it is.

17:28 Lee Um, Boys from County Hell.

17:32 Lee Have you heard of this, Adam?

17:33 Adam No.

17:35 Lee Oh, right.

17:35 Lee Yeah, it's on Shudder, it's absolutely amazing.

17:39 Lee So it's a small town in, uh, Ireland, uh and it's got a a mound of rocks in it.

17:46 Lee And the the ancient story is that there's a vampire buried underneath this mound of rocks.

17:51 Lee But there's a new bypass going in, which has got to go through it.

17:53 Lee So they get a load of the guys from the town who are road builders to basically excavate to get ready for the the new road to go in, uh, and they have to take down this mound of rocks and, yeah, vampires come.

18:03 Adam Oh, wow.

18:05 Lee And it is absolutely hilarious.

18:07 Lee It's so, so good.

18:09 Lee It was one of those, it turned up and I was like, Shudder original, I'll I'll give it a go because some of their stuff's, you know, pretty solid.

18:15 Lee Um, yeah, and was just absolutely blown away by it.

18:20 Lee It was so good.

18:21 Lee So good, that's definitely one for a rewatch for me, I think, possibly in the next six months, so check that out if you get the opportunity.

18:27 Lee Um, I had a fantastic, I had one of those moments, I was going through DVDs on my shelves.

18:39 Chris That's quite a lot.

18:40 Lee There there is an awful lot there.

18:42 Lee Um, and I found one that was still in the cellophane and it was 1969's, uh, Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed, The Hammer Film.

18:47 Adam Hey.

18:49 Lee Um.

18:50 Chris Where where does that fit in the kind of, is that towards the end?

18:53 Adam It's the fifth, fourth or fifth film in the Frankenstein series, I think.

18:59 Lee Um, but it was still in the cellophane, I've never watched it, I I bought it so long ago, it was three quid from HMV on DVD, which goes to show you how long ago I bought it.

19:07 Lee Um, and I thought, oh, it must be one I've seen, but I'm just in the mood for something in that horror vein, that Hammer horror vein.

19:12 Lee I'll chuck it on.

19:13 Lee Yeah, and it turned out I'd never seen it.

19:15 Lee So I was absolutely beside myself with excitement.

19:16 Lee Yeah, really good film.

19:17 Lee So I I hardly uh recommend that.

19:21 Lee Um, I then watched Something Wicked This Way Comes, the Ray Bradbury adaptation.

19:26 Adam Yes, yeah.

19:27 Lee Uh, yeah, it that was on our Halloween horror watch list.

19:30 Lee Jennifer put it on there.

19:31 Lee Yeah, a fantastic call.

19:34 Lee Um, Jonathan Pearce is in it, just been Jonathan Price, sorry, just been amazing as he always is.

19:39 Adam Oh, he is, yeah.

19:41 Adam Yeah.

19:42 Lee He's such an underrated actor that guy, he's so good.

19:46 Lee Um, he always plays a sinister part.

19:48 Adam He was in a sitcom he did with Mark Gates.

19:50 Lee No.

19:51 Adam He did a sitcom called Clone and he was the inventor of a clone.

19:57 Adam Um, and it was one of those things where it was it was a BBC One 8:00 sitcom, so you get the sort of fact that it's not brilliant.

20:05 Adam But weirdly enough, Jonathan Price is fucking amazing in it.

20:08 Adam It is a bit sort of it's one of those ones where it sort of veers into Frank Spencer.

20:11 Adam Oh, what are you doing, please, just leave the shops on time.

20:16 Lee Yeah.

20:17 Adam But Jonathan Price in it and Mark Gates is really good because he's like the military liaison for this scientist and he's just he just comes in and is just a bit sinister about the whole affair.

20:27 Lee So.

20:27 Adam Oh.

20:27 Lee Okay.

20:28 Lee I'll definitely be checking that out.

20:29 Lee Um, yeah, Something Wicked This Way Comes was one I'd never seen until about, maybe five or six years ago when I came across it by accident.

20:37 Lee Um, yeah, it was totally blown away and loved it as much the second time around.

20:41 Lee Um, Lords of Salem, we rewatched as part of our Halloween watch list.

20:47 Lee Um, yeah, I still love that film.

20:49 Lee It's it's one of those.

20:51 Chris Is that is that a Rob Zombie film?

20:53 Lee It is a Rob Zombie film.

20:54 Lee Yeah, yeah.

20:54 Lee It's one, I've seen about four or five times, but for some reason, I always watch it and then a week later, if you ask me anything about it, I can remember two, maybe three scenes.

21:02 Lee It's just something, I think because it's such a a slow burn film.

21:05 Lee You kind of forget a lot of what goes on.

21:07 Lee So it's a fantastic rewatch film because every time you go, I'd forgotten how weird this is, I I can see why it didn't work for a lot of people, but I think it's truly brilliant.

21:16 Adam I think I think that's that was when he was sort of trying things out, really.

21:20 Lee Exactly.

21:20 Adam And that was like his more sort of European, Italian sort of style horror.

21:25 Adam Like sort of Mario Bava sort of thing.

21:27 Lee Oh, totally.

21:27 Lee Yeah.

21:28 Adam Rather than like a gore fest or sort of like, you know.

21:34 Lee Just another slasher type.

21:35 Adam Killer on the run sort of stuff.

21:37 Lee Yeah.

21:37 Chris So was that before or after House of 1000 Corpses?

21:41 Lee Oh, after House of 1000 Corpses.

21:43 Lee That was his first film.

21:44 Chris Oh.

21:45 Lee And then I think he did, uh, Halloween, then he did.

21:50 Lee This.

21:51 Lee Or did he, or did he do.

21:52 Adam No, he did Yeah, I think it might even be Devil rejects Devil's rejects before Halloween, I'm not sure.

21:57 Lee Oh, okay.

21:59 Adam But yeah, they definitely, yeah, so it's house first.

22:03 Adam And then it's sort of Halloween and Devil's rejects probably which whichever way around not long after each other.

22:09 Lee I was going to say, they were very close together.

22:12 Adam Yeah, and then he disappeared for a bit and then he did this and then he did Halloween Two.

22:16 Lee Yeah.

22:17 Lee So.

22:18 Adam And.

22:18 Lee And.

22:18 Adam And.

22:19 Lee And rightly so, oh, it's an absolute piece of shit.

22:22 Lee Um, a bit like the next film that I watched.

22:24 Lee Uh, I then watched The Last Witch Hunter with Vin Diesel again.

22:28 Adam Yeah.

22:29 Lee Just because I couldn't believe how bad it was the first time.

22:33 Lee It's.

22:34 Chris It's still that bad.

22:35 Lee It is, and to be fair, it's not an awful film.

22:37 Lee But I went in expecting a horror and like you said, Chris, because I recently listened back to our Room 101 episode.

22:42 Lee I never listened back to our episodes, but it just rolled over on SoundCloud.

22:45 Lee So let it go.

22:46 Chris Oh, yeah.

22:47 Lee Um, yeah, and it's the same thing, which I'm sure is how everybody listens to our.

22:50 Chris Nobody listens to our episodes.

22:52 Adam Couldn't get to the phone in time.

22:55 Lee Um, but yeah, it's got that same, it's an action film with witches, ultimately.

23:01 Lee Uh, so it's it's a good action film, it's it's Vin Diesel, really.

23:05 Lee But instead of in a car, he's, uh, but actually he does, he does drive an Aston Martin in it.

23:09 Lee So he is still kind of Vin Diesel.

23:12 Adam Oh.

23:12 Adam I should mind you, I suppose, last of the Witch Hunters, because I was going Witch Hunter.

23:15 Adam It's got to be I was expecting to be dressed up like Black Adder the Second, you know.

23:21 Lee No.

23:22 Lee No, so, um, so apparently this is based on a Dungeons and Dragons game.

23:28 Lee Because he's a.

23:28 Lee He's a massive D&D player.

23:32 Lee Like I've heard I've heard it the first time and I was like, that's dog shit.

23:34 Lee But I've heard it so many times now that Vin Diesel is massively into D&D that it must be true.

23:38 Lee Yeah.

23:38 Lee And apparently this is based on a quest or something that he did at some point.

23:44 Lee Um, yeah.

23:45 Lee And it it I mean it's it's passable, it's entertaining.

23:50 Lee It's got one of the girls from Game of Thrones in it, you know the redheaded girl from the wildlings.

23:55 Lee She's.

23:56 Adam Oh, yes.

23:58 Adam Yeah.

23:59 Lee She's the kind of second fiddle love interest in it.

24:00 Adam Ygritte.

24:01 Lee Ygritte, yes.

24:02 Adam Rose Leslie, yeah.

24:03 Lee She's outstanding in it.

24:05 Lee Um, so, yeah, I mean, if you're in the mood for an action film rather than a horror film, it's it'll pass the time.

24:11 Lee And the last thing I watched, which will be very quick to cover.

24:14 Lee Because I covered it, I I watched it on the Saturday when we were going to podcast and I was too ill, so it got postponed, um, so I remember nothing about it, but I've just got my notes here, so I watched the Star Wars Lego Terrifying Tales.

24:27 Lee And I've got written down, The Lost Boys, Halloween.

24:29 Lee Fucking brilliant.

24:31 Lee I don't remember watching it, but I did watch it and those are the notes I made, so yeah, so go and watch it because apparently I thought it was really good.

24:38 Adam Well, and as we say, we'll we'll be looking to get Mos Eisley out on that as well.

24:41 Adam So.

24:42 Lee Yeah, I'd love to hear you guys cover that.

24:44 Adam We need.

24:45 Adam Well, we need a Halloween episode.

24:46 Lee Absolutely.

24:48 Adam Mos Eisley Halloween episode, we see with that or it's just going through old photos of when Chris went as the Emperor in one of your parties.

24:55 Lee Yeah.

24:56 Lee I.

24:57 Lee Oh God, yeah, I remember that.

24:58 Lee Yeah.

25:00 Chris That was.

25:00 Lee I remember the party, I remember seeing pictures of that.

25:04 Adam That's why you take so many photos at your parties.

25:06 Adam Literally the only memories you have.

25:09 Lee Yeah, most of the time, unfortunately, so.

25:12 Lee I The thing is, when you when you have a party and you say, right, everyone around at 7:00, you have to start getting ready for that party at like midday, and you have to start getting in the party mood at midday, which means you have to start drinking at midday, so by the time everyone turns up at 7:00, I'm generally arsehole.

25:26 Lee So, I'm yeah.

25:30 Lee Again, I don't have a problem, I'm just very, very social.

25:33 Adam You're you're marry.

25:34 Lee Yeah.

25:35 Lee It's.

25:35 Lee It's a party.

25:36 Lee You're allowed.

25:37 Lee It's when you do it on a weekday and you're supposed to be going to work, that's when there's.

25:41 Chris That's when you have a party every day.

25:42 Lee Yeah.

25:44 Adam Um, it's it's when you take it's when you take your party in a hidden bottle into the toilet at work.

25:51 Chris It's when you don't worry about going to the toilets.

25:53 Adam Chris.

25:54 Adam pissed himself again.

25:58 Lee Right, before I get myself into a sticky situation, let's move on to this evening's main event.

26:02 Lee So, 1999's The Blair Witch Project.

26:04 Lee I assume that this is something you saw previously, Chris.

26:11 Chris It is, yes.

26:12 Chris Although, I've got an interesting story about that.

26:15 Lee Oh.

26:15 Lee Go on.

26:16 Lee I'll let you lead us off there.

26:18 Chris It may be that I jump around a bit because this this was somewhat what I was expecting and somewhat not, right.

26:28 Chris So I watched it at the cinema, I remember all of the excitement around it.

26:31 Chris All of the I'd say hype, definitely.

26:35 Lee Massive.

26:36 Chris I didn't, yeah, I don't think I'd seen a found footage before that.

26:40 Chris I may point some out.

26:41 Lee You wouldn't have been.

26:43 Chris Right, okay, now I didn't know if it was like the first one or the first one that was big enough for everyone to talk about.

26:46 Chris I mean it's possible there were some before that just no one ever heard about.

26:47 Chris I don't know.

26:48 Lee But.

26:48 Adam There are there were some before, but this basically is what makes it, is what makes it.

26:56 Chris Is it only cinema release or major release?

26:58 Adam Oh, yeah, that's just it was stuff it was stuff like, uh, The Last Broadcast.

27:02 Lee I seem to remember you lending me, Adam.

27:05 Lee Which was like a TV.

27:05 Lee Thing very similar.

27:07 Adam Ah.

27:07 Chris Oh, who? At one point were.

27:09 Adam Yeah, who at one point were looking to sue The Blair Witch.

27:10 Adam Because they felt there was.

27:12 Chris Right.

27:12 Adam A correlation there.

27:13 Chris Yeah.

27:14 Adam Um.

27:15 Adam And, uh, Cannibal Holocaust.

27:16 Adam He's a found footage film.

27:18 Chris Not not heard of that.

27:19 Adam Oh, right.

27:20 Lee Don't watch that.

27:21 Adam There's a classic the classic 70s, uh, Cannibal film.

27:25 Adam But yeah, that that's found footage.

27:26 Adam And it's sort of and that's done in an interesting way where it's like the person presents their footage and then they find the bits he cut out.

27:33 Adam Mmm.

27:34 Adam And it's like, all right, so that just changes everything we've seen.

27:38 Adam Yeah.

27:38 Adam So it's it's you know.

27:39 Chris That's potentially interesting idea.

27:42 Adam I mean, it's I mean, it's a smart thing.

27:44 Adam And but I mean it is a fucking grueling watch, but it's, yeah.

27:48 Adam Uh, but I think that, um, so but yeah, definitely Blair Witch is what launches it as what I would call a horror genre.

27:55 Chris Okay.

27:57 Adam Yeah, because it's always used for all kind of thing.

28:00 Lee But.

28:01 Chris Yeah, but that's now that's now that's interesting.

28:03 Chris Right.

28:03 Chris Right, so yeah.

28:06 Chris So I remember watching it, but I definitely struggled with the idea of watching something that is meant to be kind of real.

28:08 Chris In a cinema with lots of people.

28:10 Chris Like so for some films that doesn't seem to matter.

28:14 Chris For this one, it just really I struggled to get past that. Now, I definitely remember enjoying the film.

28:21 Chris Um, just it just didn't seem to to uh, you know.

28:25 Chris Combine properly there, right.

28:28 Chris But what I thought was at the end, it became crazy, right?

28:33 Chris So I sort of remembered the witch being there and lots of blood all up the walls and gore and she saw someone half.

28:40 Chris Uh, you know.

28:40 Chris You know, in a serious mess and then turn around and it all went to chaos.

28:44 Chris And of course, watching it this time, it it doesn't happen.

28:49 Chris So I was like, where have I got this from?

28:51 Chris And I must I sort of remembered it as being, yeah, a good film. I wouldn't have rushed back to watch it.

28:57 Chris Um, but what I did think it was, I still did actually enjoy watching it.

29:01 Chris So like I kind of I I there was one other thing, right.

29:04 Chris So I was thinking, is this just a cheap a way to make a cheap easy to make film and make a lot of money from it?

29:09 Lee I think it became.

29:11 Chris Okay, yeah.

29:12 Chris Well, I so so I was like, well, how much work has actually gone into it compared to another film that doesn't follow us.

29:19 Chris So, yeah, I cannot actually tell.

29:21 Chris You know.

29:22 Chris But overall, I remember thinking, yeah, this is good.

29:25 Chris I like it.

29:26 Chris It didn't it definitely didn't feel like horror, it was almost more mystery to me.

29:31 Lee Yeah, I know you mean.

29:33 Chris Yeah.

29:33 Chris And but in my head, I remember it's been I'm watching it again. Again, it's not it's not.

29:41 Chris Uh, yeah, I guess it's it's psychological thriller, I would have said.

29:45 Lee Yes.

29:45 Chris More because again, it's so much about and really it's really fascinating, right?

29:51 Chris So imagine you actually did what they did and you were there and they didn't fully trust each other.

29:59 Chris It's like they didn't really know each other that well.

30:01 Chris And they all had slightly different agendas and that sort of came out.

30:04 Chris You know, as it progresses, where they're accusing each other of the different failings.

30:10 Chris So she's like they're saying you're just obsessed with the documentary.

30:13 Chris The other guy was, yeah, sure I'll film it, but, you know, I'm I'm half pretending I'm really good at this.

30:17 Chris And basically, I've not even looked at the the lens to know what numbers are on it and, you know, it's like.

30:23 Chris And the other guy was just moaning quite a lot for a lot of it.

30:28 Chris But.

30:28 Chris But yeah, and then and and so as things start to go wrong.

30:32 Lee Yeah.

30:33 Lee It was too much.

30:33 Chris As things start to go wrong, you're like.

30:36 Chris Yeah, well you you, you know, how do you stay calm in that situation?

30:39 Chris And when you start to think like, oh, is something happening, you know, and like and now are they are they on my side or not?

30:45 Chris And then of course, when you find out the guy's kicked the map into the creek.

30:51 Chris And it it does it does, you know, escalate well at that point because how would you react?

30:57 Chris And they're just trying to rationalize it.

30:58 Chris She's saying like, oh, we're in America.

30:59 Chris You know, the, um, the we've cut down most of the forest. I think you probably you could still get lost for a while. But, you know, it's like, yeah, just all that all those thoughts that you you would be going through and, yeah, and just trying to think, oh, we're going to get out of this.

31:40 Chris Like, how bad is this, you know, it's like.

31:41 Chris That's that's fascinating.

31:43 Adam Well, because I I mean actually, I mean, certainly, to that point, I can't remember what they call the Missing 411 or the Missing 431, which is yeah, something like that, isn't it?

32:03 Adam And it's basically it's the number of people who've gone missing in national parks since they started taking records, which was like the 70s.

32:09 Adam All right.

32:10 Adam And yeah, so it's very possible to get lost.

32:14 Adam And and rather rather unfortunately, it's one of those things where it's like real life real life disappearances that have unfortunately been co-opted into there's a lot of people who it's like.

32:28 Adam I would let's let's put it this way, I would love Bigfoot to be real. So far, not looking likely.

32:37 Adam Yeah.

32:39 Adam And if I had someone in my family go missing, I think I would be extremely annoyed by some fat dumpy prick in a baseball cap going on about, yeah, it was definitely a Bigfoot came and took them.

32:48 Adam Yeah.

32:49 Adam You know.

32:50 Adam So, you know, from that point, but but yeah.

32:54 Adam And I I think but people were still on compuserve, people were still on dial up.

32:58 Adam You know.

32:58 Adam It's 1999.

33:00 Chris Yeah, no, yeah, compuserve, yeah.

33:02 Adam Yeah, so you.

33:03 Chris Yeah, compuserve, yeah, that could be 96.

33:05 Chris I was thinking of Google, but yeah, yeah, something like that.

33:07 Adam And I think that's thing, so you know, and I think that people were still on compuserve, people were still on dial up. You know, it's 1999, so you.

33:19 Adam And I think that's thing, so you know, and I think that people were still on compuserve, people were still on dial up.

33:22 Adam You know.

33:23 Adam It's 1999, so you do.

33:25 Lee I seem to remember, I did buy it. I think it is on the shelf. I think I put it in one night and got about half an hour into it and was like, yeah, this is just too.

33:34 Lee It was too cringey and it was too, I can't quite remember what it was, yeah, like it was it it had too much Hollywood in it almost.

33:46 Lee So it was like the guy who was taking them into the woods.

33:49 Lee It was like, oh, yeah, I'll take you to where it all happened.

33:50 Lee Yeah, and within about 10 minutes or so, it was like, all right, so he's clearly a massive racist and he's a total dickhead.

33:54 Lee And like it it just had too much of that, kind of, the thing that worked with The Blair Witch was the fact that they were all.

33:57 Lee They didn't quite know each other and they were trying hard and they were all in a horrible situation, whereas this was immediately like, right, there's one person who's a prick and he's going to fuck them all over.

34:03 Lee And yeah, and within about 25 minutes, I was like, yeah, I I don't think this is going to work at all in the same way.

34:09 Adam I would hate.

34:10 Adam I would I would actually have to say I think what's seems to be and like I say, this is reading reviews.

34:15 Adam I've not seen it, I I think I put it on for about five minutes one night and then I was like, or I could watch that.

34:19 Adam And that's as far as I got, so, you know, I'm I'm not even saying that that remotely gives me a chance of having judged the film, but I just know I don't think this is going to work out. I mean this this feels like it's got four on IMDb out of ten. I I'm going to set my but again, I remember it not being great, so I'm going to go in with low expectations and uh, we'll see how it goes. I mean, it's just it's just it's not That's the thing, it's not The Blair Witch film in the sense of if you like The Blair Witch Project, it's not.

35:08 Adam As a horror fan, you can watch you can watch you it works.

35:10 Adam Because it's just like, oh, this is just like something that came out like I don't know, Urban Legend or something like that.

35:11 Adam You know what I mean, like just one of those sort of mid-range.

35:14 Adam Possible, enjoyable.

35:15 Adam Yeah.

35:16 Adam Yeah, yeah.

35:18 Adam And then in 2006.

35:18 Adam They did The Blair Witch but they've tried to do found footage.

35:20 Adam But obviously, like we said, with proper cameras being made to seem degraded and with a CGI witch and stuff like that.

35:24 Adam Now, I can't speak to it because I have not seen it, but I have heard.

35:29 Adam Nothing but bad things, shall we say.

35:31 Adam I think because I think they've again, weirdly enough, although everyone hated Book of Shadows.

35:35 Adam The one thing clever thing that Book of Shadows didn't do was try to do the same film.

35:37 Adam Whereas I think this tries to do the same film.

35:39 Adam And again, it's like we've discussed.

35:41 Adam We don't live in 1999 anymore.

35:45 Adam You can't make the same film and get the same reaction.

35:49 Adam You know.

35:51 Adam I mean, the one clever thing that I liked about it is that I know that up until that it was just being made as a film called The Woods.

35:54 Adam And then they announced it at Comic-Con that actually, oh, by the way, it's The Blair Witch film.

35:58 Adam And everyone lost their shit for about a day and a half.

36:02 Adam Um, so, yeah, I quite like that because and that was again, that was just a media.

36:07 Adam They they made that decision because it was like, all right, as soon as you announce you're doing this, everyone's just going to say it's shit and they shouldn't have done number two.

36:12 Adam And they shouldn't have done it because apparently that's the thing, it ignores number two completely.

36:16 Adam That's not mentioned or anything else like that.

36:19 Adam But apparently that's the thing, it ignores number two completely.

36:22 Adam That's not mentioned or anything else like that.

36:24 Adam But I think the main character is meant to be Heather's little brother who's going looking for her.

36:27 Adam And there's a will they won't they relationship with the thing.

36:29 Adam Which basically all the stuff that they decided not to do with Blair Witch Project.

36:31 Adam Was like that's probably just going to get shit.

36:33 Adam So.

36:34 Adam And you know, but it's it's like.