Bonus Episode - The Haunting of the Lady Jane

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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror.

LeeI'm Lee.

ChrisI'm Chris.

AdamI'm Adam.

LeeAnd we just wanted to jump on very quickly and give you a little cheeky bonus for 10-15 minutes discussing The Haunting of Lady Jane.

LeeWe did discuss it briefly when we covered our Horror on Sea outing this year.

LeeBut as it's coming out, Adam has given it another watch and felt he'd like to, yeah, have another discussion about it.

LeeI think Chris, you watched it as well, again, didn't you?

ChrisYeah, I did. Yeah.

AdamYeah, I'd quite like to go through it again. Yeah.

LeeYeah.

AdamExcellent.

LeeCool.

AdamWell, I must say a big, a big thank you to Kimal Yildirim, who wrote, directed, I believe edited, was the cinematographer for the Haunting of the Lady Jane. He, he contacted me via thanks to Bethan from Erie Essex, Bethan Briggs Miller. So, big shout out to her. And I think actually as a film, I think it's something that she would probably dig because it's she does a secondary podcast to Erie Essex, it's called Spectres of the Sea. Yeah, I've heard it, it's very good.

LeeYeah, I've heard, it's very good.

AdamIt's really, really good, and yeah, I can imagine it would share a lot of sort of overlap there.

AdamBut.

LeeIt was very folk horror, wasn't it? It was that kind of folk horror on a barge, which is something I'd never seen before, which was nice and interesting.

AdamYeah, I think it's just the,

AdamOh, by the way, we may swear.

AdamAnd we're trying to remain, we're going to try not to, we're going to be trying to remain spoiler free on this one, just because it's sort of, it's a film that's just out, it's doing the festival, so very much like the like Eating Miss Campbell, I think it was because we saw them both at Horror on Sea, and I believe they've been at the Romford Horror Festival this year as well.

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LeeWhich I missed again.

AdamI know, it just creeps up.

LeeI seem to miss the announcements about it every time and then it's just the thanks for, you know, Romford Horror Festival for showing us this weekend.

LeeI'm like, oh, bollocks, I've done it again, every year.

AdamWhen it's literally in walking distance.

LeeI know, exactly.

LeeIf anyone who works there is listening to this or anyone who goes to it, please message us a couple of weeks before when the tickets go on sale, because I'm a nob and I miss it every year.

AdamYeah, it's definitely one I think we'd like to go to, so.

LeeOh, yeah, definitely.

LeeSo Chris, you said you re-watched it again as well.

ChrisI did, yeah, so, so I think I, I definitely enjoyed it the first time we watched it.

ChrisBut I think I didn't get as good an experience because it was what was it, like 10am, felt fairly early in the morning, the first film we're watching at that point.

Chrisand in a way, there, there are some twists in it. I actually kind of enjoyed knowing a little bit about some of the characters.

ChrisJust because you then, you know, on the second watch, I think we've said this enough times about films, you, you almost get a different view, so you have the appreciation of learning about it the first time.

ChrisBut then really enjoying how the characters unfold the second time already knowing what you know.

ChrisSo it's like.

AdamWell, it's that thing where you, you suddenly understand people's motivations or their reactions a lot better.

ChrisYeah.

AdamYes, it does, yeah, I, I've found it a richer on a second watch, I think.

ChrisAnd, you know, I love a film that explores those sort of themes of redemption, sin, morality, and consequences and and who is, who is the evil one, I suppose, because you are called to question what you think about each of the characters throughout and and you learn at the end who, who perhaps really is the sinners, really are the sinners.

AdamYeah.

AdamI think, well, I think it's, it's quite, it's quite nice that the themes are both modern, because you, you like you say, you've got sin, you've got redemption, you've got but also you've got a lot of stuff in there about like, female empowerment and like identity politics as well.

ChrisYeah, yeah.

ChrisYeah, definitely.

AdamAnd and it's interesting that you've got, I mean, for example, I mean, I completely forgotten that the main character is hearing impaired.

ChrisYeah.

AdamI totally forgot because it's it's not fundamental to the film, but it is fundamental to the character, if you see what I mean.

AdamIt's like it's it's another effect her experience of everything, yeah, definitely.

ChrisYeah, it's going to affect her experience of everything, yeah, definitely.

AdamYeah, and I think it's, it's one of those, it's one of those films that's certainly, I think like, the lead two characters, Lily and Zara.

AdamFeel very real, they they weren't really as friendly as they could have been, but they were both pretending to be to get what they wanted out of the relationship.

ChrisYeah, I was going to say that.

LeeYeah, yeah.

LeeYeah, they were very realistic, yeah.

LeeSo they weren't really as friendly as they could have been, but they were both pretending to be to get what they wanted out of it.

LeeYeah, I thought it was really, there was a lot more depth to it than you'd expect from a, you know, from two main characters in a low budget horror movie, really.

ChrisYeah, well, and like you said, Adam, about female empowerment, essentially, they should both get on, they both are trying to figure out and and essentially are empowered females and yet still there's some friction between them at certain points, and it it shows it it's, yeah, it's definitely a complex relationship.

AdamWell, I think also it's that, it's that lovely thing where it's like, you know, when, because essentially so that people get what we're talking about, just to run through it very briefly, so you've got the main two characters, you've got Lily who is a writer who has become estranged from her, clearly very religious family.

ChrisYeah, they show that very powerfully at the start. Christ, you know exactly what's, yeah, happened to her.

AdamAnd so, but she has gone on from that to become a successful writer, she's writing from what they talk about in it, she writes a lot about she writes from a about female female journeys and so on.

AdamAnd so she hooks up with Zara who's a internet sort of sensation as it were, but it's Lily has imposed a view of her that when she meets her is disappointed.

Chris

AdamYou know, but equally, there's nothing wrong with what Zara, Zara is on her own journey.

AdamIt's not.

ChrisYeah, yeah.

AdamIt's weird because it's kind of like, you know, it's this thing of, well, I want to be able to celebrate you, but I'm judging you and I just still don't actually like it.

ChrisI just still don't actually like it.

AdamYeah, and it's sort of, yeah, so that I really love because I think that both of them are very believable because there's strengths and flaws.

AdamAnd you sort of think, oh, yeah, I can, you, I could spend a good time with this person, or at other points, what the fuck are they doing?

ChrisYeah.

AdamYou know, or who the fuck do you think you, do you know what I mean, they feel very real, and they basically they meet up and they decide they see an advert for a canal boat trip to Birmingham for free, so they sign up to that, and they get on the boat, which is The Lady Jane.

Adamwhere the the captain of the boat Willard, is a very strange man.

AdamWho is.

ChrisI suppose he's he's extremely religious and that is where you think, okay, perhaps his strangeness is coming from that along with being on the water on his own a lot, so again, you know, it's believable, a believable character, but you don't know exactly what's going on.

AdamYou can't get a handle on him and you can understand.

AdamBecause interestingly enough, the thing I got as well is because obviously, like I say, Lily's basically a journalist or a writer of about people's lives and everything, and she ends up oddly, I think at first, is actually more invested in Willard when they meet him, because she's like, right, Zara's a right off because she's not she's not conforming to what my image of an empowered modern Muslim woman is.

ChrisYeah.

AdamAnd, you know, she's, she's.

ChrisShe probably sees her as quite childish, I think.

AdamShe sees her as quite, yeah, as like immature and.

ChrisYeah.

AdamAnd it's like, but I've put all these deep meanings.

AdamIt's like, you know, it's like, you shouldn't meet heroes.

AdamBut, you know, it's sort of like, I don't know, it turns out that, you know, someone's quite, they're not as you've imagined them, whereas Willard is a question that she wants to try and answer.

ChrisYeah.

AdamAnd especially when it's, there's, and I, one thing I really like because it doesn't really fall down on anyone's side at any point.

Chris

AdamI mean, it's very clear, you know, at the end of it, it's very clear how we feel about Willard.

ChrisYeah, well, I mean, I suppose we, we get that when he meets some of his friends, that's when you really start to doubt him and he gets murkier as to what's happening.

ChrisBut it's still, it's still I liked the twists, you know, there,

ChrisYeah, it was it was again, it was kind of believable, it wasn't, it wasn't over the top.

ChrisIt seemed to fit with the way the characters had unfolded and yeah, yeah.

AdamIn many ways, I think that's the thing is you've got the central drama of it, of the people reacting with each other, and then you combine on top of that a supernatural occurrence and unusual occurrences.

Chris

AdamBut probably, you know, there's, I would imagine there's probably a pretty critically acclaimed film if they stripped out the supernatural element.

AdamBecause you can imagine it's like, because it basically it would be a picturesque journey, which everyone has a fucking miserable time on a boat, which feels like a real critics choice.

LeeYeah.

AdamSort of feeling, but it's like, they'll be like, oh, no, then they had to go silly, they put ghosts in it, it's like, that's the fucking point.

LeeYeah.

AdamYou know, these things, it's all intermingled because there is, you know, you've got the supernatural, but you've also got a very real a lot of very real human menace and evil and you know, bad juju.

ChrisYeah.

Adamwhich kind of is where the supernatural should be born in a way.

Lee

AdamSo because they, yeah, they start, because obviously they as they go further on the journey, they start talking ghost stories and stuff like that, and they talk about Ran or Ran, the spirit that haunts the water.

AdamWhich I think is probably because of, there's, there's a, there's a Norse goddess who's the personification of water, called Ran, so I think it's kind of to do with that.

Adambut I mean, overall, I think, listening, listening back to what we said about it before, I would agree with you, Liz, I think the only thing is, is maybe it's a bit a bit long.

Lee

AdamBut only in the sense that I don't think anything needs, I don't think anything needs to be cut entirely, I think there's just stuff that could be nibbled back, maybe it holds on something a bit too long or something like that.

AdamAnd, but all in all, it's part of that slow build as well.

AdamThis is a real slow burner.

ChrisIt's definitely about the character development.

LeeAnd I think those slow burn films do work better at home than they do in a, you know, in a cinema, like some films are so much better with an audience.

LeeYeah.

ChrisYeah.

LeeYeah, but I think with a slow burn, I think they do work better at home, so that, yeah, the runtime will feel different if you watch it at home to if you, as you say, 10 o'clock on a Saturday morning.

ChrisYeah.

ChrisNo, I did, it really did seem faster.

AdamIt wasn't the best positioning.

AdamI would say if this, if I was scheduling a film festival, I'd say this is, this is a sort of post-lunch sort of 5 o'clock movie.

Lee

AdamWhere, you know, you're, you're just need, you're going to veg with it, but not veg out, if you see what I mean, it's, you know, it will hold you, it will sort of work for you.

ChrisBut I thought the acting was good, it suited all of it.

ChrisAnd, and, I mean, the production as well, I thought it was good, and I, I imagine it must have been quite difficult to spend the amount of time they probably needed to spend on the actual canal itself, trying to film in enclosed.

LeeYeah, that must have been a very difficult shoot, I'd have thought, to try and catch, you know, trying to film on a narrowboat.

ChrisThere was a fair few scenes actually, you know, on the boat, I mean, I thought it was interesting, one scene where it starts to get a little bit crazy, and that's where you sort of, you're starting to see the paranormal aspect and you don't know if that's in their minds or not because of what's been going on.

Adam

ChrisYeah, yeah.

AdamI think, well, because I, I really like the score.

ChrisYeah, yeah, that did seem to fit really well.

ChrisYeah.

AdamBecause you've got, you've got some quiet, you got, and there's some good sound design in it.

AdamI don't know if it was, I don't know because I was watching this, I was re-watching this on a laptop, so I don't know whether it's the laptop that was doing it or not, but there were parts of the sound design that went a bit over the dialogue.

Chris

AdamBut again, that kind of felt in keeping with it because it was usually at points of stress or drama, where you sort of feel, it's almost like the blood rushing in your ears.

ChrisYeah.

LeeYeah.

AdamYou know, but, no, I thought the, the sound design and the sort of, yeah, just was, and it's shot beautifully.

AdamI mean, it really, you know.

AdamI mean, it's, from what I understand, filming on water is one of the hardest fucking things to do with a film because, apparently, things are so changeable that you could shoot one way, and then you try and shoot the other and it'll look utterly different or it'll be, you know, it'll have turned on a dime in terms of weather or something like that.

AdamSo, you know, the fact that it, you know, that all the stuff on the boats is coherent, like, you know, it, it feels right.

AdamIt doesn't.

AdamThere's nothing sort of disjointed looking or anything like that, even though it must be a bugger to actually film.

AdamAnd like you say, I mean, a narrowboat on a canal boat, there's not really that much room.

AdamAnd it's it's a weird thing, it's the, it's like on John Carpenter said on Horror Cafe about isolation.

AdamWhere he said, you're not you're being in a car full of people, but if you're in the desert and there's nothing else for miles, you're trapped in that car.

LeeYeah.

AdamAnd this kind of has that sort of same feeling where it's like, you you really get the claustrophobia of the boat is is really exacerbating the sort of situation and the tensions that are going on as well.

ChrisDefinitely.

AdamYeah.

AdamOne, one last thing I want to be the first person as far as I'm aware, because I've been reading bits and pieces online and things like that, I want to be the first person that's noticed that hello below there, I'm assuming that's a reference to The Second Woman.

LeeYeah.

AdamGot to be.

AdamAnd and that's kind of the area that this sort of sits in, it's like those 70s ghost story for Christmas, it's that very folk sort of cold British landscapes, you know, where it's sort of beautiful and bleak all at once.

LeeYeah.

ChrisDefinitely.

AdamAnd,

AdamYeah.

AdamAnd I, I would like to check out because command's done quite a, he's done quite a few features and stuff like that and he's acted in things as well.

ChrisThat's good.

ChrisPerhaps we should check out another one.

AdamYeah, there's a lot of his, there's like shorts and, yeah, I'll definitely, I'm definitely going to go back and check those out.

Adamand we've got, I've got to say Natasha Linton, Briany Harvey and Shawn Bather, who your main cast are really great.

ChrisYeah.

AdamAnd, yeah, and also Sean Bather, is rather a good folk singer.

ChrisYeah.

LeeYeah.

LeeRight.

LeeGo.

LeeRight.

LeeSo, thanks ever so much for listening everybody, we'll see you shortly for our next episode, which again is one where we're mixing it up.

LeeWe are going to be covering our discussing the real supernatural, quote unquote.

Leeand we will be back with that shortly.

LeeThanks very much for listening.

LeeGood night.

AdamGood night.

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