Bonus Episode - The Haunting of the Lady Jane

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Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror.

Lee I'm Lee.

Chris I'm Chris.

Adam I'm Adam.

Lee And we just wanted to jump on very quickly and give you a little cheeky bonus for 10-15 minutes discussing The Haunting of Lady Jane.

Lee We did discuss it briefly when we covered our Horror on Sea outing this year.

Lee But as it's coming out, Adam has given it another watch and felt he'd like to, yeah, have another discussion about it.

Lee I think Chris, you watched it as well, again, didn't you?

Chris Yeah, I did. Yeah.

Adam Yeah, I'd quite like to go through it again. Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Excellent.

Lee Cool.

Adam Well, I must say a big, a big thank you to Kimal Yildirim, who wrote, directed, I believe edited, was the cinematographer for the Haunting of the Lady Jane. He, he contacted me via thanks to Bethan from Erie Essex, Bethan Briggs Miller. So, big shout out to her. And I think actually as a film, I think it's something that she would probably dig because it's she does a secondary podcast to Erie Essex, it's called Spectres of the Sea. Yeah, I've heard it, it's very good.

Lee Yeah, I've heard, it's very good.

Adam It's really, really good, and yeah, I can imagine it would share a lot of sort of overlap there.

Adam But.

Lee It was very folk horror, wasn't it? It was that kind of folk horror on a barge, which is something I'd never seen before, which was nice and interesting.

Adam Yeah, I think it's just the,

Adam Oh, by the way, we may swear.

Adam And we're trying to remain, we're going to try not to, we're going to be trying to remain spoiler free on this one, just because it's sort of, it's a film that's just out, it's doing the festival, so very much like the like Eating Miss Campbell, I think it was because we saw them both at Horror on Sea, and I believe they've been at the Romford Horror Festival this year as well.

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Lee Which I missed again.

Adam I know, it just creeps up.

Lee I seem to miss the announcements about it every time and then it's just the thanks for, you know, Romford Horror Festival for showing us this weekend.

Lee I'm like, oh, bollocks, I've done it again, every year.

Adam When it's literally in walking distance.

Lee I know, exactly.

Lee If anyone who works there is listening to this or anyone who goes to it, please message us a couple of weeks before when the tickets go on sale, because I'm a nob and I miss it every year.

Adam Yeah, it's definitely one I think we'd like to go to, so.

Lee Oh, yeah, definitely.

Lee So Chris, you said you re-watched it again as well.

Chris I did, yeah, so, so I think I, I definitely enjoyed it the first time we watched it.

Chris But I think I didn't get as good an experience because it was what was it, like 10am, felt fairly early in the morning, the first film we're watching at that point.

Chris and in a way, there, there are some twists in it. I actually kind of enjoyed knowing a little bit about some of the characters.

Chris Just because you then, you know, on the second watch, I think we've said this enough times about films, you, you almost get a different view, so you have the appreciation of learning about it the first time.

Chris But then really enjoying how the characters unfold the second time already knowing what you know.

Chris So it's like.

Adam Well, it's that thing where you, you suddenly understand people's motivations or their reactions a lot better.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Yes, it does, yeah, I, I've found it a richer on a second watch, I think.

Chris And, you know, I love a film that explores those sort of themes of redemption, sin, morality, and consequences and and who is, who is the evil one, I suppose, because you are called to question what you think about each of the characters throughout and and you learn at the end who, who perhaps really is the sinners, really are the sinners.

Adam Yeah.

Adam I think, well, I think it's, it's quite, it's quite nice that the themes are both modern, because you, you like you say, you've got sin, you've got redemption, you've got but also you've got a lot of stuff in there about like, female empowerment and like identity politics as well.

Chris Yeah, yeah.

Chris Yeah, definitely.

Adam And and it's interesting that you've got, I mean, for example, I mean, I completely forgotten that the main character is hearing impaired.

Chris Yeah.

Adam I totally forgot because it's it's not fundamental to the film, but it is fundamental to the character, if you see what I mean.

Adam It's like it's it's another effect her experience of everything, yeah, definitely.

Chris Yeah, it's going to affect her experience of everything, yeah, definitely.

Adam Yeah, and I think it's, it's one of those, it's one of those films that's certainly, I think like, the lead two characters, Lily and Zara.

Adam Feel very real, they they weren't really as friendly as they could have been, but they were both pretending to be to get what they wanted out of the relationship.

Chris Yeah, I was going to say that.

Lee Yeah, yeah.

Lee Yeah, they were very realistic, yeah.

Lee So they weren't really as friendly as they could have been, but they were both pretending to be to get what they wanted out of it.

Lee Yeah, I thought it was really, there was a lot more depth to it than you'd expect from a, you know, from two main characters in a low budget horror movie, really.

Chris Yeah, well, and like you said, Adam, about female empowerment, essentially, they should both get on, they both are trying to figure out and and essentially are empowered females and yet still there's some friction between them at certain points, and it it shows it it's, yeah, it's definitely a complex relationship.

Adam Well, I think also it's that, it's that lovely thing where it's like, you know, when, because essentially so that people get what we're talking about, just to run through it very briefly, so you've got the main two characters, you've got Lily who is a writer who has become estranged from her, clearly very religious family.

Chris Yeah, they show that very powerfully at the start. Christ, you know exactly what's, yeah, happened to her.

Adam And so, but she has gone on from that to become a successful writer, she's writing from what they talk about in it, she writes a lot about she writes from a about female female journeys and so on.

Adam And so she hooks up with Zara who's a internet sort of sensation as it were, but it's Lily has imposed a view of her that when she meets her is disappointed.

Chris

Adam You know, but equally, there's nothing wrong with what Zara, Zara is on her own journey.

Adam It's not.

Chris Yeah, yeah.

Adam It's weird because it's kind of like, you know, it's this thing of, well, I want to be able to celebrate you, but I'm judging you and I just still don't actually like it.

Chris I just still don't actually like it.

Adam Yeah, and it's sort of, yeah, so that I really love because I think that both of them are very believable because there's strengths and flaws.

Adam And you sort of think, oh, yeah, I can, you, I could spend a good time with this person, or at other points, what the fuck are they doing?

Chris Yeah.

Adam You know, or who the fuck do you think you, do you know what I mean, they feel very real, and they basically they meet up and they decide they see an advert for a canal boat trip to Birmingham for free, so they sign up to that, and they get on the boat, which is The Lady Jane.

Adam where the the captain of the boat Willard, is a very strange man.

Adam Who is.

Chris I suppose he's he's extremely religious and that is where you think, okay, perhaps his strangeness is coming from that along with being on the water on his own a lot, so again, you know, it's believable, a believable character, but you don't know exactly what's going on.

Adam You can't get a handle on him and you can understand.

Adam Because interestingly enough, the thing I got as well is because obviously, like I say, Lily's basically a journalist or a writer of about people's lives and everything, and she ends up oddly, I think at first, is actually more invested in Willard when they meet him, because she's like, right, Zara's a right off because she's not she's not conforming to what my image of an empowered modern Muslim woman is.

Chris Yeah.

Adam And, you know, she's, she's.

Chris She probably sees her as quite childish, I think.

Adam She sees her as quite, yeah, as like immature and.

Chris Yeah.

Adam And it's like, but I've put all these deep meanings.

Adam It's like, you know, it's like, you shouldn't meet heroes.

Adam But, you know, it's sort of like, I don't know, it turns out that, you know, someone's quite, they're not as you've imagined them, whereas Willard is a question that she wants to try and answer.

Chris Yeah.

Adam And especially when it's, there's, and I, one thing I really like because it doesn't really fall down on anyone's side at any point.

Chris

Adam I mean, it's very clear, you know, at the end of it, it's very clear how we feel about Willard.

Chris Yeah, well, I mean, I suppose we, we get that when he meets some of his friends, that's when you really start to doubt him and he gets murkier as to what's happening.

Chris But it's still, it's still I liked the twists, you know, there,

Chris Yeah, it was it was again, it was kind of believable, it wasn't, it wasn't over the top.

Chris It seemed to fit with the way the characters had unfolded and yeah, yeah.

Adam In many ways, I think that's the thing is you've got the central drama of it, of the people reacting with each other, and then you combine on top of that a supernatural occurrence and unusual occurrences.

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Adam But probably, you know, there's, I would imagine there's probably a pretty critically acclaimed film if they stripped out the supernatural element.

Adam Because you can imagine it's like, because it basically it would be a picturesque journey, which everyone has a fucking miserable time on a boat, which feels like a real critics choice.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Sort of feeling, but it's like, they'll be like, oh, no, then they had to go silly, they put ghosts in it, it's like, that's the fucking point.

Lee Yeah.

Adam You know, these things, it's all intermingled because there is, you know, you've got the supernatural, but you've also got a very real a lot of very real human menace and evil and you know, bad juju.

Chris Yeah.

Adam which kind of is where the supernatural should be born in a way.

Lee

Adam So because they, yeah, they start, because obviously they as they go further on the journey, they start talking ghost stories and stuff like that, and they talk about Ran or Ran, the spirit that haunts the water.

Adam Which I think is probably because of, there's, there's a, there's a Norse goddess who's the personification of water, called Ran, so I think it's kind of to do with that.

Adam but I mean, overall, I think, listening, listening back to what we said about it before, I would agree with you, Liz, I think the only thing is, is maybe it's a bit a bit long.

Lee

Adam But only in the sense that I don't think anything needs, I don't think anything needs to be cut entirely, I think there's just stuff that could be nibbled back, maybe it holds on something a bit too long or something like that.

Adam And, but all in all, it's part of that slow build as well.

Adam This is a real slow burner.

Chris It's definitely about the character development.

Lee And I think those slow burn films do work better at home than they do in a, you know, in a cinema, like some films are so much better with an audience.

Lee Yeah.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Yeah, but I think with a slow burn, I think they do work better at home, so that, yeah, the runtime will feel different if you watch it at home to if you, as you say, 10 o'clock on a Saturday morning.

Chris Yeah.

Chris No, I did, it really did seem faster.

Adam It wasn't the best positioning.

Adam I would say if this, if I was scheduling a film festival, I'd say this is, this is a sort of post-lunch sort of 5 o'clock movie.

Lee

Adam Where, you know, you're, you're just need, you're going to veg with it, but not veg out, if you see what I mean, it's, you know, it will hold you, it will sort of work for you.

Chris But I thought the acting was good, it suited all of it.

Chris And, and, I mean, the production as well, I thought it was good, and I, I imagine it must have been quite difficult to spend the amount of time they probably needed to spend on the actual canal itself, trying to film in enclosed.

Lee Yeah, that must have been a very difficult shoot, I'd have thought, to try and catch, you know, trying to film on a narrowboat.

Chris There was a fair few scenes actually, you know, on the boat, I mean, I thought it was interesting, one scene where it starts to get a little bit crazy, and that's where you sort of, you're starting to see the paranormal aspect and you don't know if that's in their minds or not because of what's been going on.

Adam

Chris Yeah, yeah.

Adam I think, well, because I, I really like the score.

Chris Yeah, yeah, that did seem to fit really well.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Because you've got, you've got some quiet, you got, and there's some good sound design in it.

Adam I don't know if it was, I don't know because I was watching this, I was re-watching this on a laptop, so I don't know whether it's the laptop that was doing it or not, but there were parts of the sound design that went a bit over the dialogue.

Chris

Adam But again, that kind of felt in keeping with it because it was usually at points of stress or drama, where you sort of feel, it's almost like the blood rushing in your ears.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Adam You know, but, no, I thought the, the sound design and the sort of, yeah, just was, and it's shot beautifully.

Adam I mean, it really, you know.

Adam I mean, it's, from what I understand, filming on water is one of the hardest fucking things to do with a film because, apparently, things are so changeable that you could shoot one way, and then you try and shoot the other and it'll look utterly different or it'll be, you know, it'll have turned on a dime in terms of weather or something like that.

Adam So, you know, the fact that it, you know, that all the stuff on the boats is coherent, like, you know, it, it feels right.

Adam It doesn't.

Adam There's nothing sort of disjointed looking or anything like that, even though it must be a bugger to actually film.

Adam And like you say, I mean, a narrowboat on a canal boat, there's not really that much room.

Adam And it's it's a weird thing, it's the, it's like on John Carpenter said on Horror Cafe about isolation.

Adam Where he said, you're not you're being in a car full of people, but if you're in the desert and there's nothing else for miles, you're trapped in that car.

Lee Yeah.

Adam And this kind of has that sort of same feeling where it's like, you you really get the claustrophobia of the boat is is really exacerbating the sort of situation and the tensions that are going on as well.

Chris Definitely.

Adam Yeah.

Adam One, one last thing I want to be the first person as far as I'm aware, because I've been reading bits and pieces online and things like that, I want to be the first person that's noticed that hello below there, I'm assuming that's a reference to The Second Woman.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Got to be.

Adam And and that's kind of the area that this sort of sits in, it's like those 70s ghost story for Christmas, it's that very folk sort of cold British landscapes, you know, where it's sort of beautiful and bleak all at once.

Lee Yeah.

Chris Definitely.

Adam And,

Adam Yeah.

Adam And I, I would like to check out because command's done quite a, he's done quite a few features and stuff like that and he's acted in things as well.

Chris That's good.

Chris Perhaps we should check out another one.

Adam Yeah, there's a lot of his, there's like shorts and, yeah, I'll definitely, I'm definitely going to go back and check those out.

Adam and we've got, I've got to say Natasha Linton, Briany Harvey and Shawn Bather, who your main cast are really great.

Chris Yeah.

Adam And, yeah, and also Sean Bather, is rather a good folk singer.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Right.

Lee Go.

Lee Right.

Lee So, thanks ever so much for listening everybody, we'll see you shortly for our next episode, which again is one where we're mixing it up.

Lee We are going to be covering our discussing the real supernatural, quote unquote.

Lee and we will be back with that shortly.

Lee Thanks very much for listening.

Lee Good night.

Adam Good night.

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