The Revenge of We Have Been Watching
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Welcome To Horror Presents: “The Revenge of We Have Been Watching”. Time, once again, to discuss all the different audio/visual media that we have shoved up our brains, via our lugs and peepers, over the last few weeks. This episode features talk on “Get Out”; anthology series “Tales of Unease”; “Renfield”; Charlie Brooker’s “Dead Set”, “Enys Men”; “Knock At The Cabin”; “Cube 2: Hypercube”; “The Dunwich Horror” and “Freaky”. Beware of spoilers and swearing and join us!
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LeeEvening everybody, Lee here. regular listeners will know that we recently did a supernatural stories episode, or not, depending on your beliefs.
Leebut it seems to have gone down quite well and we've spoken to a few people who said they've got interesting stories of their own.
LeeSo, as we tempted the idea at the end of our last episode, we're going to do a follow-up at some point.
LeeSo if any of you have stories of your own that you think would be interesting that you wouldn't mind us sharing with the listeners.
Leefeel free to either record them and email them over to us at info@welcometohorror.com.
Leeor otherwise, you can type them out and send them to us and we will read them out on the show.
Leeif you'd rather not use your name, we will use your first name, otherwise, but if you'd rather go under an alias, include that in the message and we'll be sure to use that.
LeeThanks very much and enjoy the show.
LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror.
LeeMy name's Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamAnd I identify as Adam.
LeeAnd we are here again for our general monthly wrap-up of what we've been watching in the world of horror.
Leethere will be spoilers, there will be swearing.
Leewe've got a lot to get through so we're going to do them in sort of short-ish chunks.
Leehopefully, but we say that and then we just waffle on.
Leeso, let's start with Chris.
ChrisHey.
ChrisI, I decided I would look back through and see what were the recommendations that I haven't watched yet.
ChrisAnd there's been a lot, but I decided now is the time, I'm going to watch Get Out.
ChrisBecause I saw that it's going to be off Netflix in a few days.
ChrisSo I was like, that's it, I'm on that one, right?
ChrisAnd, yeah, like.
ChrisI, I'm pretty sure you both said it was amazing, but I'll hear what you say afterwards.
ChrisI know Lee didn't like Us, I remember.
ChrisBecause of the end.
LeeNo.
ChrisBut, but yeah, Get Out, I'm pretty certain you did.
ChrisBut yeah, like seriously, he, Jordan Peele and all of the actors and the writing, what a great way to just make it so eerie from the start.
ChrisLike where is this going? This is just on edge about, like there's something strange, I know, but who is it that's going to be strange?
ChrisLike, and you know, like even when the the cop pulls them over, just yeah, just everything about it is just so like who, who do you trust here?
ChrisThe sound fantastic, music fantastic.
ChrisAnd, yeah, the chemistry through the cast.
ChrisI mean, his friend Rod, the the comedic relief.
LeeOh, from the the TSA.
ChrisTSA.
AdamTSA.
ChrisYeah, TSA, yeah, I just, yeah, amazing all the way through, really.
ChrisI, I, I was trying to work out, you know, you're trying to figure out what is going to be happening, and I know we said spoilers, I'm still in the mindset of not spoiling things.
ChrisBut so, so yeah, when he's saying you should, you should essentially be getting out there.
ChrisAnd it's like, yeah, there's seriously something weird going on with his family, you know that, and and you're starting to think, okay, how far is this going to go?
ChrisAnd obviously it does go into a, I mean, I guess it's it's unrealistic, but probably not forever, you know, at some point.
AdamYou could potentially deal somebody's body.
AdamI, yeah, but I think it's also it's sci-fi.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYou know, there's, there's an element where you sort of think it could be, is it like a possession thing or something occult or whatever like that.
AdamWhereas actually, yeah, it's essentially sci-fi.
ChrisNeuro science fiction.
AdamYeah, there was a film, I think when we talked about Get Out, me and Lee both mentioned it, there's a film called The Sorcerers with Boris Karloff and Ian Ogilvy.
Adamthat Us reminded me of.
Adamwhich has a sort of similar thing of people, people using other's bodies to go out and do as they want.
ChrisWell, so I'd been expecting it to be supernatural, I think when you'd when we talked about it before.
ChrisSo that's where I started off from, but but yeah, no.
ChrisIt like they they all just played it so well all the way through.
AdamWhat's the first, it's the first time that he worked with Daniel Kaluuya and obviously that's just something that's gone from strength to strength.
LeeI was going to say it's a match made in heaven, isn't it?
ChrisAbsolutely.
AdamThat's his Kurt Russell.
LeeYeah, absolutely.
ChrisYeah, well, so after we'd watched Nope, which that was great.
ChrisI enjoyed Us.
Chrisso yeah, again, I'm looking forward to what he does next.
AdamYeah.
LeeExcellent, cool.
LeeAdam, what have you been watching?
Adamfirst one I'm going to I'm going to take you to 1970.
AdamFor for Tales of Unease, you're seriously, Lee, you are going to like this, I reckon.
AdamTales of Unease is an LWT anthology series from 1970.
AdamAnd it's come out on Network.
AdamAnd it is fucking great.
AdamThere's only it's like seven episodes, first episode kind of a bit sort of of an obvious sort of supernatural story.
AdamBut then after that, it really start it it's a proper number nine, you sort of like there's there's ones where you're like, I, not necessarily I didn't see that coming, but just where the fuck did this idea come from in the first place?
LeeThat sounds awesome.
AdamIt's really, really good.
AdamApparently there's it was there's a writer, funnily enough, it's the writer of The Sorcerers.
Adama guy called John Burke who did lots of he did loads of adaptations, so he did like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Hammer films and stuff like that.
AdamHe did loads of novelizations of films, but he also did three anthology like short stories book books called Tales of Unease.
AdamAnd so the the TV show is adaptations of those, like the the sort of pick of those stories like over these three volumes.
AdamAnd you've got some real some interesting casting in there as well, people you'll recognize like Michael Culver, who's Captain Needa in Empire Strikes Back and Roy DeTrease, Susan George, Neil McCarthy, Terence Rigby, Kathrin Thomas, there's people you'll sort of recognize.
AdamBut seriously, this is one Lee, definitely from your point of view.
AdamChris, I think you'd like it as well, but Lee, I know you like sort of Tales of the Unexpected and stuff like that.
AdamIt's definitely in that sort of wheelhouse, but my God, it's fucking quality stuff.
AdamIt really is.
LeeThere's so many of those types of shows that have just gone completely forgotten.
LeeAnd it's funny because Adam always like for Christmas and stuff, I always get a DVD and it'll be something like that and I'm like, how have I never heard of this?
LeeIt's always something spectacular that was on TV and just nobody saw it.
LeeOr, you know, nobody's remembered it 40 years on, but they're always amazing.
AdamI think he's I think it's just because it's from a period where no one was typing from the telly.
ChrisYeah.
AdamSo, you know, these sort of things they were loved at the time, but the sort of they're more of a memory or whatever like that.
AdamBut yeah, so you've got of the seven episodes, there's three absolute belters.
AdamThere's Calculated Nightmare in which, as I've put in my notes, two business pricks get locked in their state of the art office by a disgruntled employee.
Adamthere's Bad Bad JoJo, where a comic strip author who has created this sort of like weird thug character who wanders around killing people with his mum.
Adamwho super fans of his turn up like fans of the comic, but are a bit deranged and sort of, yeah, that's just really good.
AdamAnd then the last the last one is just the old banger.
AdamWhich was is about this couple trying to ditch their old car.
AdamAnd it follows a a theme, you know, the car basically keeps gradually returning to them.
ChrisYeah.
AdamBut fuck me, does he get out of hand by the final shot?
AdamIt's like, okay, now we've we've gone out of any rational explanation for what is happening.
ChrisHa.
Adambut yeah, it's it's just a really good show.
AdamAnd also you get this there's a one weird effect with it though is that they seem to make like alternate episodes they seem to either do location on film, or they do it in the studio on video.
AdamSo there's none of that, you know, usually with the old dramas where they go outside, so you get that sort of quality shift between film and video.
AdamWith this it's weird because it's it's just the episodes.
AdamSo you watch one that feels like a film and then one that feels more like a TV drama and then yeah, so.
LeeExcellent.
AdamAll in all, yeah, Tales of the Tales of Unease.
AdamRecommended, it's fucking great.
LeeAwesome. I'll definitely be looking that up. That sounds amazing.
Leeso I have been pretty good and I've seen two new films, I've finally gotten off my ass and gone and actually seen some new films. so first off, I watched Renfield. the new one with Nicholas Cage and Nicholas Hoult. Yep. I really enjoyed it.
ChrisTrue to Nicholas Cage quality.
LeeYeah, it's I mean, that's like Nicholas Cage goes absolutely over the top bat shit in every role you give him.
LeeIf you tell him he's Dracula, he's going to go fucking mental and he doesn't disappoint.
LeeIt's yeah.
LeeIt but it's it's also it's really well written, it's really funny.
Leethe gore is spectacular. It's so over the top.
LeeIt's yeah, really good.
Leebut the the show was actually stolen by Aquafina, who plays a cop who's basically looking into the body count that's left behind.
LeeSo in this one, Renfield is basically getting he's got semi-vampire powers.
LeeIn order for him to go out and collect people effectively to take back to feed to Dracula.
AdamYeah, because he's his familiar, isn't he?
Leeso he obviously leaves a body count or missing persons or whatever in his wake and she has spotted a connection between a few of these and he's on the case to try and catch up with him.
LeeBut she absolutely stole the show. She was so, so good.
LeeLike the whole thing was, it was it was so over the top and tongue in cheek and yeah.
LeeIt was fantastic but she absolutely won it for me.
Leeso I shall be looking out to find more stuff that she's in going forward.
LeeI think.
Leebut yeah, it's it's really it does some really good stuff as well that you'll like, Adam.
LeeIt takes it takes clips from the original Dracula, the 1929 Dracula.
ChrisOh that's interesting.
AdamOh, the Lugosi.
LeeYeah.
LeeAnd it puts Nicholas Cage's face on Lugosi and puts Nicholas Hoult's face on on the guy who played Renfield, Dwight Frye, isn't it?
LeeThat's it, Dwight Frye.
LeeYeah. yeah, but they do such a good job of it.
LeeIt looks really, really good.
Leeyeah, it just over the top and like proper action as well, which was wasn't expecting.
LeeSo yeah.
AdamI was hearing half and half about it, but now.
AdamYou're part of the growing list of people I genuinely trust saying that it's.
ChrisThat's interesting. Yeah, I wonder what put some others off.
LeeI don't. I I think again, it's one of those things, I think it's I think it's too mad for some.
LeeYes.
LeeAnd I think that's the thing. I think proper horror fans will find it too silly and slapstick, but for people like me who love horror and love the Nicholas Cage movies.
ChrisI suppose you can feel like sometimes it takes away from the authentic original if you feel like that, it's perhaps hard to just let go and appreciate it.
LeeYeah, whereas this definitely doesn't try to be.
LeeNo, yeah, I mean this isn't trying to rewrite anything. This is like it's just a comedy film, it's just a bit of fun.
LeeAnd it yeah.
LeeSmashed it out of the park. Loved it.
ChrisExcellent.
LeeChris, you again.
ChrisYeah, so following on, my, I need to watch some things that have been recommended over the years.
ChrisI decided to go for Dead Set.
LeeOh.
AdamOh, wow.
LeeNice.
ChrisYeah.
AdamWe talking about that earlier.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisWell, so I I did sort of wonder. I mean, I know you'd both raved about it.
ChrisAnd it's Charlie Brooker and Andy Nyman, who is excellent in it, horribly excellent.
AdamYeah.
ChrisHe's one of the most horrible elements and it's a zombie movie, but yeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisYeah, and so I I sort of I was, I guess it was still hard not to be a little bit skeptical that it was going to be as good as it perhaps was when it first came out because it's Big Brother.
ChrisBut actually, I was like, it sort of took me right back to Big Brother.
ChrisBecause I I didn't know how much they were going to actually use Big Brother in it.
ChrisI in my head it was like, is it just based on the idea of people in a house?
ChrisBut no, it was like, basically this is Big Brother.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah, completely.
AdamCuz it was like.
ChrisSo Davina McCall.
AdamOh yeah.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisI was like, what is going on? This is not what I'd expected.
ChrisSo yeah, it totally took me back.
AdamIt all stems from Charlie Brooker saying that it was the ideal place to, you know, with that conversation about where do you survive a zombie apocalypse?
AdamHe's like, well, the Big Brother house because it's secure, there's ways and means of getting in and out of it, like secret ways of getting in and out of it, and you've got like supply fresh supplies and food and everything.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisBut no, so but yeah, it's fantastic.
ChrisIt still, it's made me, it reminded me of what was the other thing we watched with Andy Nyman? Ghost Stories again, like that that was so that was excellent.
ChrisBut so yeah, but it looks like he's not done anything much since.
LeeHe did a great film that we are going to cover at some point, called Severance.
ChrisOh.
ChrisAll right.
ChrisAnd yeah.
Leeyeah, and again, it's the it's him he plays a prick so well.
AdamOkay, yeah.
ChrisYou got a role and you do it well.
LeeIf you need someone to be an obnoxious asshole, he's always the one.
ChrisHe's your man.
LeeYeah.
LeeI mean that's not on our list since the beginning.
ChrisWell, I say we we try and bump that up then.
LeeYeah, him and Danny Dyer, it's just so much funnier than it has any right to be.
ChrisThat's what I said.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisExcellent.
LeeAdam, what's your next pick?
Adamright, just a quick one. I'm taking you back to 1970.
AdamThe Summer of Gloves.
AdamAnd, yeah.
AdamI watched The Dunwich Horror because it's just come out on Arrow.
LeeOh.
Adamyou know, the so obviously it's Roger Corman's AIP, they've done Edgar Allan Poe, so they thought we'll do some HP Lovecraft.
AdamAnd actually it's not a bad HP Lovecraft adaptation, because usually there's always the thing where it's like, well, here's the two seconds of HP Lovecraft from the short story and then here's an hour and a half of stuff that has fuck all to do with it.
AdamRegardless of how entertaining that may or may not be.
AdamBut this is actually quite faithful.
ChrisThat's good.
Adamand yeah, and you've got Dean Stockwell as the as the main villain, looking just like he's just about to be brained with a piece of ice in an episode of Columbo.
AdamYou know, it's it's it's early Dean Stockwell where the perm was king.
AdamRather than sort of, you know, punching a calculator in front of Sam Beckett.
AdamBut
AdamBut yeah.
AdamAnd and actually does a nice job of Lovecraft sort of like, well, I can't tell you what it looked like because it'd drive you mad, so they just do a lot of very sort of like that posterized solarized effect on something that you only see in flashes and that works really well as a as a Lovecraftian monster.
AdamSo yeah.
AdamAnd again.
AdamIt was one that I'd is one I'd not seen before, but I'd always been on the list.
AdamBut then it was like, well, Arrow's releasing it, so at least it'll look good and yeah.
ChrisIt's time.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah, I've watched that a couple of times.
LeeIt's it's a solid movie.
AdamYeah.
LeeReally good.
Leeso for my last full review, I went back and rewatched Freaky again from 2020.
Leewhich is basically it's a new take on Freaky Friday, you know, the film that they did and then remade where the mother swaps place with the child and they get to understand each other and it's all very lovely. yeah, it's not that.
AdamYes.
LeeSo it's Vince Vaughn is a slasher and he basically steals a dagger from someone's house while he's breaking in there, uses it and stabs a teenage girl and then when they both woke up the next morning, they've swapped bodies.
AdamRight, okay.
LeeNow, this serial killer is in the body of a teenage girl, which obviously sets him up amp opportunities for slashing.
Leeand it puts this poor young teenage girl in Vince Vaughn's body, who everyone now because he didn't quite kill her, everybody is looking for him because they know he's a serial killer.
Adam
Leeand it's just it's really like I I don't know why people have got such a problem with Vince Vaughn.
LeeI don't know if it I like I don't keep up with the whole thing, so I don't know if it's a thing that it's him as a person.
LeeBut like loads of people have such a downer on him.
ChrisI don't know this.
LeeAnd I think he's great.
AdamI I think it's just I think it's mainly because unlike a lot of actors in comedy films that he's appeared with, he also does serious roles.
AdamAnd I think a lot of people don't sort of go into a film not knowing what to expect because but also I think a lot of people are like, well no, you you do funny films, you can't do serious. Yeah, and you know, or.
ChrisI haven't seen any serious films with women.
LeeBut I I've enjoyed all the films I've seen.
AdamWhat's series two of True Detective? He takes someone's teeth out with a pair of pliers.
AdamHe is not a nice man in that.
ChrisOh, yeah, that is interesting.
LeeYeah.
LeeHe's he's very good in True Detective.
LeeBut he's really good in this like seeing Vince Vaughn act like a teenage girl, he does it so brilliantly.
LeeAnd there's there's a fantastic scene where it's the teenage girl fancy's the boy in school. He's a bit of a jerk and she's never got round to telling him and they end up basically having the conversation but while she's in Vince Vaughn's body.
LeeSo it's Vince Vaughn and this young teenage boy having this first. I didn't know you liked me. I didn't know you liked me. Oh, I wish I had and they had this and it's just so, so good.
LeeLike it's just it's it's.
ChrisSounds like it should be horrible and awkward and eerie, but.
LeeBut it's not they just do it so well. And it's yeah.
LeeLike obviously it is a comedy slasher film.
Leebut yeah.
LeeIt's just I watched it the first time and I really enjoyed it and I was like, I don't remember a lot about that apart from coming away thinking, I need to watch it again.
LeeSo it's been a couple of years, so I went back and rewatched it. Oh, and I had a fantastic Sunday night with that one.
ChrisInteresting.
Leeyeah.
LeeSo definitely.
LeeIf you've not it's on Netflix. So just I think that's why I rewatched it.
LeeSo I bought it when it came out, but then it turned up on Netflix. I was like, oh, I haven't even got to go upstairs, I can just click it on Netflix.
LeeSave me step down, I'm having some of that.
Leeyeah, but excellent.
LeeRight, Adam, we've got four minutes left.
LeeI know you had one more you wanted to cover very quickly.
AdamNo, I'm pretty much good, sir.
LeeSo you're all done.
AdamCool, excellent.
ChrisI'm I'm just going to fire out then.
ChrisI I did watch the first episode of Utopia.
ChrisWhich you both said you've both said, you know, amazing things about, right?
ChrisAfter the first episode, I have no idea.
LeeLike.
LeeIt carries on like that for the first season, mate.
ChrisDoes it?
ChrisIt's fascinating, but just I do not know what is going on, where this is going.
AdamWell, welcome to new levels of intrigue.
ChrisYeah.
LeeFucking mental.
LeeBut it's like it's so good and when you get the pay off, it is so it's such a solid pay off.
LeeIt's not one of those where you get to the end and go, oh, that's daft.
LeeLike it's terrific.
ChrisOkay.
LeeSo yeah.
AdamOh, yes.
LeeWhere's.
AdamJust the height.
ChrisOh.
LeeOh, he's so good.
Leeright, yes.
LeeSo, our next month.
Leefor next month.
Leewe are going to be covering now this sounds a bit like the month that we did not long ago, so we thought about not doing it, but these two films are both far too good to miss.
Leeand this week actually next week's film is one that Chris has seen but Adam hasn't, so that's a cool thing, I think.
AdamI should be being welcomed to the horror.
LeeSo shit eating grin.
ChrisI like that look.
LeeSo we are doing delusional killers.
Leefor next month.
Leeso our first movie is going to be The Voices with Ryan Reynolds.
ChrisOh.
LeeAnd then our second film, as mentioned earlier and hinted at, we are going to be covering M Night Shyamalan's Split.
AdamYes.
ChrisOh.
ChrisExcellent.
Leeboth of which actually go very well with an independent film we got to see recently. I'm not sure if the I think it's going up before this, so you would have heard about it, but if not, yeah, we will be discussing a film called Casting Kills and it very nearly made. Kill. Casting Kill, sorry. Yeah, very nearly made it as the second part of this but we couldn't miss split, so.
ChrisInteresting.
LeeYou know, we had to do what we had to do.
Leebut yes, so thanks very much for listening, go and check out all of those films because we're all recommend.
LeeI don't think any of us watched anything shit this month, which is good.
Leeand we will be back in a fortnight's time with The Voices.
LeeThanks very much.
LeeGood night.
ChrisGood night.
AdamGood night.
LeeAnd I get to watch Ryan Reynolds again.
ChrisYeah, this was my first introduction to Ryan Reynolds.
LeeOh.
ChrisI'm fairly certain.
LeeOh.
