The Revenge of We Have Been Watching

0:00 Lee Evening everybody, Lee here. regular listeners will know that we recently did a supernatural stories episode, or not, depending on your beliefs.

0:10 Lee but it seems to have gone down quite well and we've spoken to a few people who said they've got interesting stories of their own.

0:16 Lee So, as we tempted the idea at the end of our last episode, we're going to do a follow-up at some point.

0:23 Lee So if any of you have stories of your own that you think would be interesting that you wouldn't mind us sharing with the listeners.

0:29 Lee feel free to either record them and email them over to us at [email protected].

0:36 Lee or otherwise, you can type them out and send them to us and we will read them out on the show.

0:43 Lee if you'd rather not use your name, we will use your first name, otherwise, but if you'd rather go under an alias, include that in the message and we'll be sure to use that.

0:52 Lee Thanks very much and enjoy the show.

1:59 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror.

2:01 Lee My name's Lee.

2:02 Chris I'm Chris.

2:04 Adam And I identify as Adam.

2:07 Lee And we are here again for our general monthly wrap-up of what we've been watching in the world of horror.

2:16 Lee there will be spoilers, there will be swearing.

2:19 Lee we've got a lot to get through so we're going to do them in sort of short-ish chunks.

2:24 Lee hopefully, but we say that and then we just waffle on.

2:28 Lee so, let's start with Chris.

2:33 Chris Hey.

2:34 Chris I, I decided I would look back through and see what were the recommendations that I haven't watched yet.

2:40 Chris And there's been a lot, but I decided now is the time, I'm going to watch Get Out.

2:47 Chris Because I saw that it's going to be off Netflix in a few days.

2:51 Chris So I was like, that's it, I'm on that one, right?

2:53 Chris And, yeah, like.

2:57 Chris I, I'm pretty sure you both said it was amazing, but I'll hear what you say afterwards.

3:02 Chris I know Lee didn't like Us, I remember.

3:06 Chris Because of the end.

3:07 Lee No.

3:09 Chris But, but yeah, Get Out, I'm pretty certain you did.

3:11 Chris But yeah, like seriously, he, Jordan Peele and all of the actors and the writing, what a great way to just make it so eerie from the start.

3:24 Chris Like where is this going? This is just on edge about, like there's something strange, I know, but who is it that's going to be strange?

3:31 Chris Like, and you know, like even when the the cop pulls them over, just yeah, just everything about it is just so like who, who do you trust here?

3:44 Chris The sound fantastic, music fantastic.

3:46 Chris And, yeah, the chemistry through the cast.

3:49 Chris I mean, his friend Rod, the the comedic relief.

3:54 Lee Oh, from the the TSA.

3:57 Chris TSA.

3:58 Adam TSA.

3:58 Chris Yeah, TSA, yeah, I just, yeah, amazing all the way through, really.

4:03 Chris I, I, I was trying to work out, you know, you're trying to figure out what is going to be happening, and I know we said spoilers, I'm still in the mindset of not spoiling things.

4:12 Chris But so, so yeah, when he's saying you should, you should essentially be getting out there.

4:21 Chris And it's like, yeah, there's seriously something weird going on with his family, you know that, and and you're starting to think, okay, how far is this going to go?

4:28 Chris And obviously it does go into a, I mean, I guess it's it's unrealistic, but probably not forever, you know, at some point.

4:37 Adam You could potentially deal somebody's body.

4:43 Adam I, yeah, but I think it's also it's sci-fi.

4:46 Chris Yeah.

4:47 Adam You know, there's, there's an element where you sort of think it could be, is it like a possession thing or something occult or whatever like that.

4:56 Adam Whereas actually, yeah, it's essentially sci-fi.

4:59 Chris Neuro science fiction.

5:01 Adam Yeah, there was a film, I think when we talked about Get Out, me and Lee both mentioned it, there's a film called The Sorcerers with Boris Karloff and Ian Ogilvy.

5:11 Adam that Us reminded me of.

5:14 Adam which has a sort of similar thing of people, people using other's bodies to go out and do as they want.

5:23 Chris Well, so I'd been expecting it to be supernatural, I think when you'd when we talked about it before.

5:29 Chris So that's where I started off from, but but yeah, no.

5:32 Chris It like they they all just played it so well all the way through.

5:37 Adam What's the first, it's the first time that he worked with Daniel Kaluuya and obviously that's just something that's gone from strength to strength.

5:46 Lee I was going to say it's a match made in heaven, isn't it?

5:48 Chris Absolutely.

5:49 Adam That's his Kurt Russell.

5:51 Lee Yeah, absolutely.

5:53 Chris Yeah, well, so after we'd watched Nope, which that was great.

5:57 Chris I enjoyed Us.

5:58 Chris so yeah, again, I'm looking forward to what he does next.

6:03 Adam Yeah.

6:04 Lee Excellent, cool.

6:06 Lee Adam, what have you been watching?

6:08 Adam first one I'm going to I'm going to take you to 1970.

6:13 Adam For for Tales of Unease, you're seriously, Lee, you are going to like this, I reckon.

6:21 Adam Tales of Unease is an LWT anthology series from 1970.

6:26 Adam And it's come out on Network.

6:29 Adam And it is fucking great.

6:32 Adam There's only it's like seven episodes, first episode kind of a bit sort of of an obvious sort of supernatural story.

6:44 Adam But then after that, it really start it it's a proper number nine, you sort of like there's there's ones where you're like, I, not necessarily I didn't see that coming, but just where the fuck did this idea come from in the first place?

6:57 Lee That sounds awesome.

6:58 Adam It's really, really good.

7:00 Adam Apparently there's it was there's a writer, funnily enough, it's the writer of The Sorcerers.

7:06 Adam a guy called John Burke who did lots of he did loads of adaptations, so he did like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Hammer films and stuff like that.

7:17 Adam He did loads of novelizations of films, but he also did three anthology like short stories book books called Tales of Unease.

7:28 Adam And so the the TV show is adaptations of those, like the the sort of pick of those stories like over these three volumes.

7:36 Adam And you've got some real some interesting casting in there as well, people you'll recognize like Michael Culver, who's Captain Needa in Empire Strikes Back and Roy DeTrease, Susan George, Neil McCarthy, Terence Rigby, Kathrin Thomas, there's people you'll sort of recognize.

7:57 Adam But seriously, this is one Lee, definitely from your point of view.

8:03 Adam Chris, I think you'd like it as well, but Lee, I know you like sort of Tales of the Unexpected and stuff like that.

8:06 Adam It's definitely in that sort of wheelhouse, but my God, it's fucking quality stuff.

8:16 Adam It really is.

8:17 Lee There's so many of those types of shows that have just gone completely forgotten.

8:23 Lee And it's funny because Adam always like for Christmas and stuff, I always get a DVD and it'll be something like that and I'm like, how have I never heard of this?

8:33 Lee It's always something spectacular that was on TV and just nobody saw it.

8:37 Lee Or, you know, nobody's remembered it 40 years on, but they're always amazing.

8:44 Adam I think he's I think it's just because it's from a period where no one was typing from the telly.

8:48 Chris Yeah.

8:49 Adam So, you know, these sort of things they were loved at the time, but the sort of they're more of a memory or whatever like that.

8:55 Adam But yeah, so you've got of the seven episodes, there's three absolute belters.

9:01 Adam There's Calculated Nightmare in which, as I've put in my notes, two business pricks get locked in their state of the art office by a disgruntled employee.

9:18 Adam there's Bad Bad JoJo, where a comic strip author who has created this sort of like weird thug character who wanders around killing people with his mum.

9:35 Adam who super fans of his turn up like fans of the comic, but are a bit deranged and sort of, yeah, that's just really good.

9:44 Adam And then the last the last one is just the old banger.

9:48 Adam Which was is about this couple trying to ditch their old car.

9:53 Adam And it follows a a theme, you know, the car basically keeps gradually returning to them.

10:01 Chris Yeah.

10:02 Adam But fuck me, does he get out of hand by the final shot?

10:05 Adam It's like, okay, now we've we've gone out of any rational explanation for what is happening.

10:11 Chris Ha.

10:12 Adam but yeah, it's it's just a really good show.

10:15 Adam And also you get this there's a one weird effect with it though is that they seem to make like alternate episodes they seem to either do location on film, or they do it in the studio on video.

10:29 Adam So there's none of that, you know, usually with the old dramas where they go outside, so you get that sort of quality shift between film and video.

10:36 Adam With this it's weird because it's it's just the episodes.

10:40 Adam So you watch one that feels like a film and then one that feels more like a TV drama and then yeah, so.

10:46 Lee Excellent.

10:47 Adam All in all, yeah, Tales of the Tales of Unease.

10:51 Adam Recommended, it's fucking great.

10:53 Lee Awesome. I'll definitely be looking that up. That sounds amazing.

10:57 Lee so I have been pretty good and I've seen two new films, I've finally gotten off my ass and gone and actually seen some new films. so first off, I watched Renfield. the new one with Nicholas Cage and Nicholas Hoult. Yep. I really enjoyed it.

11:44 Chris True to Nicholas Cage quality.

11:46 Lee Yeah, it's I mean, that's like Nicholas Cage goes absolutely over the top bat shit in every role you give him.

11:56 Lee If you tell him he's Dracula, he's going to go fucking mental and he doesn't disappoint.

12:01 Lee It's yeah.

12:03 Lee It but it's it's also it's really well written, it's really funny.

12:08 Lee the gore is spectacular. It's so over the top.

12:13 Lee It's yeah, really good.

12:14 Lee but the the show was actually stolen by Aquafina, who plays a cop who's basically looking into the body count that's left behind.

12:27 Lee So in this one, Renfield is basically getting he's got semi-vampire powers.

12:31 Lee In order for him to go out and collect people effectively to take back to feed to Dracula.

12:41 Adam Yeah, because he's his familiar, isn't he?

12:44 Lee so he obviously leaves a body count or missing persons or whatever in his wake and she has spotted a connection between a few of these and he's on the case to try and catch up with him.

12:57 Lee But she absolutely stole the show. She was so, so good.

13:02 Lee Like the whole thing was, it was it was so over the top and tongue in cheek and yeah.

13:08 Lee It was fantastic but she absolutely won it for me.

13:12 Lee so I shall be looking out to find more stuff that she's in going forward.

13:15 Lee I think.

13:17 Lee but yeah, it's it's really it does some really good stuff as well that you'll like, Adam.

13:21 Lee It takes it takes clips from the original Dracula, the 1929 Dracula.

13:28 Chris Oh that's interesting.

13:29 Adam Oh, the Lugosi.

13:30 Lee Yeah.

13:30 Lee And it puts Nicholas Cage's face on Lugosi and puts Nicholas Hoult's face on on the guy who played Renfield, Dwight Frye, isn't it?

13:40 Lee That's it, Dwight Frye.

13:41 Lee Yeah. yeah, but they do such a good job of it.

13:45 Lee It looks really, really good.

13:47 Lee yeah, it just over the top and like proper action as well, which was wasn't expecting.

13:55 Lee So yeah.

13:55 Adam I was hearing half and half about it, but now.

13:58 Adam You're part of the growing list of people I genuinely trust saying that it's.

14:05 Chris That's interesting. Yeah, I wonder what put some others off.

14:09 Lee I don't. I I think again, it's one of those things, I think it's I think it's too mad for some.

14:15 Lee Yes.

14:15 Lee And I think that's the thing. I think proper horror fans will find it too silly and slapstick, but for people like me who love horror and love the Nicholas Cage movies.

14:27 Chris I suppose you can feel like sometimes it takes away from the authentic original if you feel like that, it's perhaps hard to just let go and appreciate it.

14:36 Lee Yeah, whereas this definitely doesn't try to be.

14:39 Lee No, yeah, I mean this isn't trying to rewrite anything. This is like it's just a comedy film, it's just a bit of fun.

14:44 Lee And it yeah.

14:45 Lee Smashed it out of the park. Loved it.

14:47 Chris Excellent.

14:49 Lee Chris, you again.

14:51 Chris Yeah, so following on, my, I need to watch some things that have been recommended over the years.

14:56 Chris I decided to go for Dead Set.

14:58 Lee Oh.

14:59 Adam Oh, wow.

15:00 Lee Nice.

15:00 Chris Yeah.

15:01 Adam We talking about that earlier.

15:03 Chris Yeah.

15:04 Chris Well, so I I did sort of wonder. I mean, I know you'd both raved about it.

15:08 Chris And it's Charlie Brooker and Andy Nyman, who is excellent in it, horribly excellent.

15:17 Adam Yeah.

15:18 Chris He's one of the most horrible elements and it's a zombie movie, but yeah.

15:23 Adam Yeah.

15:24 Chris Yeah, and so I I sort of I was, I guess it was still hard not to be a little bit skeptical that it was going to be as good as it perhaps was when it first came out because it's Big Brother.

15:32 Chris But actually, I was like, it sort of took me right back to Big Brother.

15:37 Chris Because I I didn't know how much they were going to actually use Big Brother in it.

15:42 Chris I in my head it was like, is it just based on the idea of people in a house?

15:47 Chris But no, it was like, basically this is Big Brother.

15:48 Lee Yeah.

15:49 Chris Yeah, completely.

15:50 Adam Cuz it was like.

15:51 Chris So Davina McCall.

15:52 Adam Oh yeah.

15:53 Chris Yeah.

15:53 Chris I was like, what is going on? This is not what I'd expected.

15:57 Chris So yeah, it totally took me back.

15:59 Adam It all stems from Charlie Brooker saying that it was the ideal place to, you know, with that conversation about where do you survive a zombie apocalypse?

16:09 Adam He's like, well, the Big Brother house because it's secure, there's ways and means of getting in and out of it, like secret ways of getting in and out of it, and you've got like supply fresh supplies and food and everything.

16:20 Chris Yeah.

16:21 Chris But no, so but yeah, it's fantastic.

16:23 Chris It still, it's made me, it reminded me of what was the other thing we watched with Andy Nyman? Ghost Stories again, like that that was so that was excellent.

16:33 Chris But so yeah, but it looks like he's not done anything much since.

16:39 Lee He did a great film that we are going to cover at some point, called Severance.

16:45 Chris Oh.

16:46 Chris All right.

16:47 Chris And yeah.

16:47 Lee yeah, and again, it's the it's him he plays a prick so well.

16:53 Adam Okay, yeah.

16:54 Chris You got a role and you do it well.

16:56 Lee If you need someone to be an obnoxious asshole, he's always the one.

16:59 Chris He's your man.

17:00 Lee Yeah.

17:01 Lee I mean that's not on our list since the beginning.

17:04 Chris Well, I say we we try and bump that up then.

17:06 Lee Yeah, him and Danny Dyer, it's just so much funnier than it has any right to be.

17:12 Chris That's what I said.

17:14 Chris Yeah.

17:14 Chris Excellent.

17:16 Lee Adam, what's your next pick?

17:18 Adam right, just a quick one. I'm taking you back to 1970.

17:22 Adam The Summer of Gloves.

17:24 Adam And, yeah.

17:25 Adam I watched The Dunwich Horror because it's just come out on Arrow.

17:28 Lee Oh.

17:29 Adam you know, the so obviously it's Roger Corman's AIP, they've done Edgar Allan Poe, so they thought we'll do some HP Lovecraft.

17:39 Adam And actually it's not a bad HP Lovecraft adaptation, because usually there's always the thing where it's like, well, here's the two seconds of HP Lovecraft from the short story and then here's an hour and a half of stuff that has fuck all to do with it.

17:56 Adam Regardless of how entertaining that may or may not be.

18:00 Adam But this is actually quite faithful.

18:02 Chris That's good.

18:03 Adam and yeah, and you've got Dean Stockwell as the as the main villain, looking just like he's just about to be brained with a piece of ice in an episode of Columbo.

18:20 Adam You know, it's it's it's early Dean Stockwell where the perm was king.

18:24 Adam Rather than sort of, you know, punching a calculator in front of Sam Beckett.

18:29 Adam But

18:30 Adam But yeah.

18:31 Adam And and actually does a nice job of Lovecraft sort of like, well, I can't tell you what it looked like because it'd drive you mad, so they just do a lot of very sort of like that posterized solarized effect on something that you only see in flashes and that works really well as a as a Lovecraftian monster.

18:50 Adam So yeah.

18:51 Adam And again.

18:52 Adam It was one that I'd is one I'd not seen before, but I'd always been on the list.

18:55 Adam But then it was like, well, Arrow's releasing it, so at least it'll look good and yeah.

19:00 Chris It's time.

19:01 Adam Yeah.

19:03 Lee Yeah, I've watched that a couple of times.

19:05 Lee It's it's a solid movie.

19:06 Adam Yeah.

19:07 Lee Really good.

19:10 Lee so for my last full review, I went back and rewatched Freaky again from 2020.

19:19 Lee which is basically it's a new take on Freaky Friday, you know, the film that they did and then remade where the mother swaps place with the child and they get to understand each other and it's all very lovely. yeah, it's not that.

20:03 Adam Yes.

20:05 Lee So it's Vince Vaughn is a slasher and he basically steals a dagger from someone's house while he's breaking in there, uses it and stabs a teenage girl and then when they both woke up the next morning, they've swapped bodies.

20:23 Adam Right, okay.

20:24 Lee Now, this serial killer is in the body of a teenage girl, which obviously sets him up amp opportunities for slashing.

20:34 Lee and it puts this poor young teenage girl in Vince Vaughn's body, who everyone now because he didn't quite kill her, everybody is looking for him because they know he's a serial killer.

20:45 Adam

20:47 Lee and it's just it's really like I I don't know why people have got such a problem with Vince Vaughn.

20:51 Lee I don't know if it I like I don't keep up with the whole thing, so I don't know if it's a thing that it's him as a person.

20:56 Lee But like loads of people have such a downer on him.

20:59 Chris I don't know this.

20:59 Lee And I think he's great.

21:01 Adam I I think it's just I think it's mainly because unlike a lot of actors in comedy films that he's appeared with, he also does serious roles.

21:16 Adam And I think a lot of people don't sort of go into a film not knowing what to expect because but also I think a lot of people are like, well no, you you do funny films, you can't do serious. Yeah, and you know, or.

21:25 Chris I haven't seen any serious films with women.

21:30 Lee But I I've enjoyed all the films I've seen.

21:32 Adam What's series two of True Detective? He takes someone's teeth out with a pair of pliers.

21:35 Adam He is not a nice man in that.

21:37 Chris Oh, yeah, that is interesting.

21:39 Lee Yeah.

21:39 Lee He's he's very good in True Detective.

21:42 Lee But he's really good in this like seeing Vince Vaughn act like a teenage girl, he does it so brilliantly.

21:52 Lee And there's there's a fantastic scene where it's the teenage girl fancy's the boy in school. He's a bit of a jerk and she's never got round to telling him and they end up basically having the conversation but while she's in Vince Vaughn's body.

22:02 Lee So it's Vince Vaughn and this young teenage boy having this first. I didn't know you liked me. I didn't know you liked me. Oh, I wish I had and they had this and it's just so, so good.

22:12 Lee Like it's just it's it's.

22:14 Chris Sounds like it should be horrible and awkward and eerie, but.

22:20 Lee But it's not they just do it so well. And it's yeah.

22:23 Lee Like obviously it is a comedy slasher film.

22:27 Lee but yeah.

22:28 Lee It's just I watched it the first time and I really enjoyed it and I was like, I don't remember a lot about that apart from coming away thinking, I need to watch it again.

22:37 Lee So it's been a couple of years, so I went back and rewatched it. Oh, and I had a fantastic Sunday night with that one.

22:42 Chris Interesting.

22:43 Lee yeah.

22:44 Lee So definitely.

22:45 Lee If you've not it's on Netflix. So just I think that's why I rewatched it.

22:50 Lee So I bought it when it came out, but then it turned up on Netflix. I was like, oh, I haven't even got to go upstairs, I can just click it on Netflix.

22:56 Lee Save me step down, I'm having some of that.

22:58 Lee yeah, but excellent.

22:59 Lee Right, Adam, we've got four minutes left.

23:03 Lee I know you had one more you wanted to cover very quickly.

23:05 Adam No, I'm pretty much good, sir.

23:06 Lee So you're all done.

23:07 Adam Cool, excellent.

23:08 Chris I'm I'm just going to fire out then.

23:10 Chris I I did watch the first episode of Utopia.

23:12 Chris Which you both said you've both said, you know, amazing things about, right?

23:15 Chris After the first episode, I have no idea.

23:18 Lee Like.

23:19 Lee It carries on like that for the first season, mate.

23:22 Chris Does it?

23:22 Chris It's fascinating, but just I do not know what is going on, where this is going.

23:26 Adam Well, welcome to new levels of intrigue.

23:29 Chris Yeah.

23:29 Lee Fucking mental.

23:31 Lee But it's like it's so good and when you get the pay off, it is so it's such a solid pay off.

23:37 Lee It's not one of those where you get to the end and go, oh, that's daft.

23:41 Lee Like it's terrific.

23:42 Chris Okay.

23:43 Lee So yeah.

23:44 Adam Oh, yes.

23:44 Lee Where's.

23:45 Adam Just the height.

23:46 Chris Oh.

23:47 Lee Oh, he's so good.

23:48 Lee right, yes.

23:50 Lee So, our next month.

23:52 Lee for next month.

23:54 Lee we are going to be covering now this sounds a bit like the month that we did not long ago, so we thought about not doing it, but these two films are both far too good to miss.

24:03 Lee and this week actually next week's film is one that Chris has seen but Adam hasn't, so that's a cool thing, I think.

24:12 Adam I should be being welcomed to the horror.

24:16 Lee So shit eating grin.

24:18 Chris I like that look.

24:20 Lee So we are doing delusional killers.

24:21 Lee for next month.

24:23 Lee so our first movie is going to be The Voices with Ryan Reynolds.

24:30 Chris Oh.

24:31 Lee And then our second film, as mentioned earlier and hinted at, we are going to be covering M Night Shyamalan's Split.

24:39 Adam Yes.

24:39 Chris Oh.

24:40 Chris Excellent.

24:41 Lee both of which actually go very well with an independent film we got to see recently. I'm not sure if the I think it's going up before this, so you would have heard about it, but if not, yeah, we will be discussing a film called Casting Kills and it very nearly made. Kill. Casting Kill, sorry. Yeah, very nearly made it as the second part of this but we couldn't miss split, so.

25:06 Chris Interesting.

25:07 Lee You know, we had to do what we had to do.

25:09 Lee but yes, so thanks very much for listening, go and check out all of those films because we're all recommend.

25:15 Lee I don't think any of us watched anything shit this month, which is good.

25:18 Lee and we will be back in a fortnight's time with The Voices.

25:23 Lee Thanks very much.

25:24 Lee Good night.

25:24 Chris Good night.

25:25 Adam Good night.

25:27 Lee And I get to watch Ryan Reynolds again.

25:28 Chris Yeah, this was my first introduction to Ryan Reynolds.

25:32 Lee Oh.

25:33 Chris I'm fairly certain.

25:34 Lee Oh.