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Welcome To Horror Presents: “We Have Been Watching Meets The Wolf Man”. It’s time once more, faithful listener, for the team to discuss the varied audio/visual treats that have been assailing our frontal cortexes. In this episode we discuss “Wendell & Wild”, “The Witcher”, “Werewolf by Night”, “Hellraiser 2022”, “Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities” and “Night of Demons 2”, while Adam tells of his encounter with author, dreamweaver plus actor Garth Marenghi at the launch of his new book “TerrorTome”, and we briefly touch on “The Cornetto Trilogy”. Beware of spoilers and swearing and join us!
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LeeGood evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
ChrisI'm Chris.
AdamI'm Adam.
Leeand we are here again for a catch up of what we've been watching in the last six weeks, which is going to be a real trial of remembrance because it's been six or seven weeks since I watched some of it, so I've very possibly forgotten all and every detail.
LeeVery quick pace of housekeeping before we roll into that.
Leegood friend of the show Lord Al has been unwell recently, he's had some health issues. but he is we're glad to say on the mend and has been getting good news.
ChrisExcellent.
LeeSo so we just wanted to send our solidarity and he watched Evil Dead Rise out today, which made me very happy.
ChrisYes.
AdamGet well soon, Alex.
LeeYeah, absolutely.
LeeI would also fuck Paul Weller.
LeeBut we'll we can pass on that one.
ChrisFuck Paul Weller?
LeeYeah.
ChrisOh, okay.
LeeYeah, just just because he's got a shit haircut, I hate his music, and he said in an interview the other day.
LeeI don't follow the news, but I log into Yahoo for my emails, and so you always get the the the stories, yeah.
Leeyeah, and he called Robert Smith a fat fuck and said he wanted to slap him, so
AdamOh yeah, that's fuck you, Paul Weller.
AdamHe also stinks of potatoes.
LeeOh, does he?
AdamYeah, Claire met Claire saw him in a gallery once standing his pompous mock mod ass in front of a fucking painting and not shifting, then she realized it was Paul Weller, but apparently it smelled like a green grocer, you know, a proper earthy potato smell.
LeeThat's interesting.
AdamYes.
LeeA bit like all of his fans who you can definitely always find at any Weatherspoons on any day before two o'clock in the afternoon.
AdamLaughter
LeeThat's enough for rubbing Paul Weller.
Leeso.
Leewe are going to run as we always do, round in a circle of who's been watching what.
LeeSo, let's start today with Adam.
LeeYou can kick us off.
AdamWith Adam.
AdamYes.
Adamfirst thing I'm going to mention is mostly because it's always nice to have a bit of horror you can watch with the family.
AdamNetflix have got.
LeeOh, we're going to have spoilers.
LeeHey?
AdamOh, yes.
ChrisSpoilers and swearing, especially about that cunt Paul Weller.
LeeLaughter
ChrisLucky you got that in there.
LeeBut that.
ChrisLaughter
AdamWon't want to make anyone except Paul Weller.
LeeLaughter
Adamyes, sorry.
Adamyeah, always nice to be able to watch horror with your family and there is on Netflix a film called Wendall and Wild.
LeeYes.
LeeI'm so keen to see this but I on a drunken night out with a friend said I wouldn't watch it until he came over and we watched it together and we haven't had a chance to sit down yet, so it's burning a hole in my Netflix account.
AdamWell, it's very good.
AdamIt's the guy, it's directed by Henry Selick who did Nightmare Before Christmas and Coraline.
ChrisOh.
AdamAnd it's very much in that same sort especially Coraline in that sort of dark vein.
AdamI mean, technically it's for 12 year olds, Teddy's four.
AdamBut he's quite robust and he's quite happy with the concept of reanimated corpses, demons and ghosts being farted out of a giant devil's bum.
LeeNice.
AdamSo and I tell you what, fucking soundtrack's incredible as well.
AdamIt's got like fucking got the specials, X-Ray Specs, Death, Living Color, it's just really, really fucking good.
AdamBut basically, it's technically it's Jordan Peele's latest film.
ChrisYeah.
Adambecause he wrote it with Henry Selick and Wendall and Wild are two demons played by him and Keegan Michael Key.
AdamSo essentially you get the key and feel like that, which is fucking brilliant.
ChrisThat's good.
Adamand yeah, it's just a very good weird little tale of these two demons whose who are connected to a hell maiden, that's what the mythology of it is.
Adambut this particular hell maiden is a girl who's parents died, it's very Roll Dahl in that sense.
Adamin that it starts off with parents dying in a car.
AdamSo that's yeah, you know, you know, it has that sort of proper Roll Dahl feeling as it were.
Adamand then sort of she goes on to have a troubled life and she returns home to go to a girl's school as part of a sort of program like second help second chance program of like young offenders sort of thing.
Adambut yeah, she ends up going to this school and but Wendall and Wild contact her through the power of the fact they're tripping balls on their demon dad's hair restoring cream.
Adamat the at the start of it by the way, they live on the demon's head and are slowly adding plugs into his hair where he's worried that he's going bald.
AdamSo he's getting them to rejuvenate his hair, but yeah, they contact her and say they'll resurrect her parents.
AdamAnd so she calls them up but then there's a load of other sort of incidents that happens local within within like the local community and you've got.
Adamsome like as well as K and P, you've got James Hong, you know, David Lo Pan, he's he's in there, Ving Rhames, Maxine Peek and David Haywood who basically play Trump in a Boris Johnson wig and Liz Truss.
AdamThat is seriously, when you watch it, that's just what the puppets look like.
AdamAnd I know that animation takes ages to make, so I don't feel that the Liz Trust side of it is deliberate.
AdamBut it just happens to fucking be spot on.
Adambut yeah, and Angela Bassett and it's got some great music, it's got it's that nicely twisted sort of Coraline Nightmare Before Christmas kind of feel to it and and yeah, Teddy loves it and he's been liking the music as well, which is always fucking good.
AdamSo yeah, that's that's that's definitely my first up and I won't go too far with it because I know if you want to watch it, Lee.
AdamChris, I would also say it probably be worthwhile introducing the littluns as well, because I mean if they liked Coraline or anything like that, yeah, very much in that vine.
AdamIt's really good.
ChrisExcellent.
AdamYeah.
LeeFantastic, I should look forward to that.
LeeChris, what have you been watching?
ChrisI've been watching The Witcher.
ChrisWhich.
Leeyeah.
ChrisIs a it's a based on books by a Polish author called Andre Sapkowski, I didn't realize that.
Chrisbut it's also based on computer game, which I've never played.
ChrisI have seen someone play it for about 20 minutes and I thought it looked pretty good.
ChrisThere's a lot of magic and effects and lots of different creatures.
ChrisAnd so since watching it I've I've understood a bit more.
Chrisit's essentially a world full of your normal kind of fantasy people and monsters.
ChrisBut then you've also got there was something called a conjunction of spheres which brought in other creatures of myth like vampires and werewolves.
Chrisbut then also some creatures from Slavic myth, I think.
Chris
ChrisYeah, now.
ChrisSo I've seen the first series.
ChrisAnd it it did remind me a little bit of The Mandalorian.
ChrisIn that the Witcher essentially who's he's kind of a superhuman, so they're made from it's like genetic mutation along with some sort of magic and so it kind of gives them superhuman powers.
ChrisBut he's kind of going around helping people in the world, fighting monsters, that seems to be the main thing.
Chrisso yeah, he's kind of a a mercenary who doesn't seem to care about anything or anyone.
ChrisAnd except when he starts to fall in love with someone seemingly.
Chris
ChrisSo.
ChrisSo yeah, it's it's like it's it's a good.
ChrisGood mix of comedy, some dark bits, some of the the episodes are a bit darker than others.
LeeVery Game of Thrones.
ChrisSo well, yeah, yeah, it's interesting that.
ChrisSo I suppose you would you would be tempted to compare it to that.
Christhere are differences, I would say and
ChrisIt's it's I think it's more simple than Game of Thrones at the moment, although there's an amount to learn, but I guess yeah, with just the first season they couldn't fit too much in.
Chrisbut yeah, you know, it's kind of a thing I love.
Chrissupernatural, fantasy, magic, fighting.
LeeI vaguely remember when I watched it, I brought it up in a in a what we've been watching segment.
Leeand I did rubbish it for the fact that the two main characters have got normal names with a letter changed out of them and it felt like some of the laziest writing I've ever known.
Lee
LeeYeah, of course there is Yennefer and Geralt.
ChrisGerald.
ChrisGerald.
AdamThat's it.
LeeIt's just.
LeeYeah.
LeeI I didn't hate it, but I when season two came up, I was like, it's definitely at the bottom of a long if we get another lockdown and I end up in furlo again, I would have watched it, but as I didn't, I was never going to dedicate time to.
ChrisSo, so I suppose I I I'm I'm definitely motivated to watch computer game based.
ChrisThings saying that I've never watched any Resident Evil films.
ChrisBut.
LeeI've seen them all, I own them all in fact on Blu-ray.
AdamLaughter
ChrisBut I would be tempted to, but I just yeah, I kind of like it when they managed to make something that is you know, it's at least watchable.
ChrisBut I don't know, for me it it definitely worked, I did I did find it was entertaining, funny and I quite like the characters.
Chrisbut then I think as well it's the second thing I've seen with Henry Cavill.
LeeYeah.
ChrisAnd I really like him as an actor.
ChrisI think he looks great and yeah, he just he does entertain me a lot.
ChrisAnd so in fact, I did see in Nola Holmes, oh yes, the second one.
LeeYeah.
LeeI haven't seen it yet, but it's on that is on my list.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah, so I'm definitely going to watch that as well.
ChrisSo I I mean, I don't know, what else is he in?
ChrisHave you seen him in?
LeeHe's Superman, isn't it?
AdamHe's Superman, isn't he?
AdamYeah.
ChrisOkay, I've not seen those.
AdamDoes he have a mustache in The Witcher?
LeeI think he's like stub he's got like a stubble beard most of the time because he's rugged.
ChrisBut not a mustache.
LeeNo.
AdamBecause I think it was Justice League they had to pay a fortune to digitize out his mustache.
ChrisAll right.
AdamBecause he needs it for another role or something, but they'd sort of there was like some conflict over it.
AdamAnd yeah, basically sort of, you know, a quarter of the budget, the CGI budget on that film was removing his mustache.
LeeI the thing the other thing that annoyed me about it was his voice.
LeeHe does this really over the top dramatic voice, but having later heard the story behind the voice, I actually quite liked it and kind of took a step back on it, I thought it was really over the top, but apparently it was after they'd started filming or, you know, like he'd never intended to do that voice and then he said backstage when they were sort of fanning about, he did an impression of the voice of the character from the game and everyone went, oh no, that's great, you should do that, so he kind of had to stick with it, despite the fact it was never a character choice that he made.
LeeSo yeah, so I kind of forgave him for that, I was like, no, he did stick see it through.
LeeI mean you puts him higher in my estimation.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisYeah, I mean it might be talking about the the mustache.
ChrisIt looks like he might have one later on, so it could have been from.
LeeOf season two or.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisAnd then well three I think is coming out soon, so I don't know when that was filmed.
ChrisBut.
ChrisBut yeah, I don't know, I will I will definitely continue to watch it and I will report back to you know if I still like it.
LeeExcellent.
ChrisI did hear that season two is meant to be better than season one.
LeeI might give it another thing is it's I watched it when it first came out.
LeeWhich again is like three years ago now, so a bit like Game of Thrones, it's one of those, it's got lots of characters and lots of storylines and plots and I won't remember anything that happened.
ChrisWell, yeah, no.
LeeIt's just I.
ChrisThat's true.
AdamDo you think do you think Netflix should change their name to it gets good in the second season?
ChrisWell, yeah.
LeeLaughter
ChrisWell, although doesn't that happen with them or the the new Lord of the Rings, which I haven't watched yet, I did hear that the first few episodes were not quite great, but then it does seem to have got better towards the end of the first season.
ChrisBut I don't know if either of you have.
LeeNo, I haven't yet.
ChrisOkay.
AdamI can't remember who said it, it might it might have just been someone generally online rather than someone you know, like a known.
AdamPersonal trustworthy source.
AdamYeah, but it was basically it was along the lines of if you had a film called Dracula Dracula Surf Demon, you know, the film would be great, but the Netflix series would be you don't see him by the surfboard till episode seven, and then he doesn't actually hit the water till episode 10 as the fucking finale.
AdamAnd then you've got to wait for series two for any Dracula Surf action.
LeeSounds about right.
AdamLaughter
Leeso skipping from Netflix to Disney Plus.
LeeI watched this year the Halloween release of Werewolf by Night.
AdamOh, was that the Marvel?
LeeYes.
AdamA Jason, isn't it or I can't remember.
LeeSo a an awful thing is I can't remember who told me, but there is a character which is in this and I can't tell you anything without spoiling it if you haven't seen it yet.
LeeBut there is a character that is in it that is apparently going to be this is like their side, you know, like their stand-alone movie to introduce the character that they're going to become later on in in the actual series.
Lee
LeeI really liked it.
LeeI didn't think I was going to somebody showed me the trailer and I was like, this is the Beast must die, but shit.
AdamLaughter
LeeThat was what I thought it was going to be.
LeeAnd it kind of isn't so they get a load of hunters together.
LeeSo the there's like and again, like we were saying, this is I watched this when it came out, which was about a month ago now, so I'm crying hard to remember it.
Lee
Leethe head of this kind of hunters guild has died, and he has a magical stone, and whoever wields this stone has supernatural powers, he has died, so they've got all these hunters together and released a creature and whoever kills the creature will get the stone and become the new head of this hunters assassination guild or whatever.
Lee
LeeIt's all in black and white.
LeeIt feel it does feel a lot like a sort of an old universal style feel, it's all in black and white apart from the red, so the stone is red and the red of the blood is all in color in the rest of it.
LeeSo it's a bit sort of Sin City.
Lee
AdamOr or Schindler's List, but probably not quite not quite the same sort of.
LeeLaughter
Leebut yeah, I thought it was really good.
LeeIt it yeah, it it was entertaining enough, there were enough twists and plot turns in it.
LeeIt wasn't very long, I seem to remember it only being an hour and a quarter or something.
LeeIt's fairly short.
Leebut yeah, it was really good, it had a really good cast.
LeeIt had a fantastic actor in it who played like this grizzled old Scotsman, except the actor is from LA, so his Scottish accent may have passed in Hollywood, but it definitely did not here.
AdamIs he a bit groundskeeper Willie?
LeeYeah.
LeeAnd it just kept going for a walk every now and again, it was like he kept forgetting he was supposed to be doing it.
LeeBut yeah, I mean it didn't detract from it, it was a it was still good and I enjoyed it.
LeeSo it's well worth a watch.
AdamWell actually, a dodgy Hollywood interpretation of a British Isles accent feels very universal horror as well.
LeeYeah, exactly, yeah.
AdamLaughter
Leebut yeah, yeah, it was it was good, it was good fun.
LeeIt was like you were saying, it was it all felt very dark, but then they they put in those Marvel comedic moments that sort of lighten it and the very end scene is kind of hilarious.
Leeyeah, so it's it's it's well worth a watch.
LeeIt's it was a good Halloween viewing, it was one that we managed to squeeze in on our run up to Halloween and I'm glad I did.
LeeSo yeah, if you haven't watched it, it's on Disney Plus, it's well worth your time.
AdamAnd you don't need any it's not heavily linked Marvel wise it's a if if anything it's a set up for something that will happen later.
LeeYeah, so it works as a stand-alone thing but it introduces a character who is then going to turn up in the the kind of extend in the the main Marvel movie.
LeeOr somebody was telling me, but say over a month ago, it there's a lot of drinking goes on at Halloween, so yeah, so don't hold me to that, but that's definitely what I've been told.
LeeBut yeah, go and check it out, it's well worth your time.
LeeAdam, back to you, my old son.
AdamI think next next one on my list is finally after some panic that it wasn't going to come out over here we got to see the new Hellraiser.
AdamOh, Hellraiser 2022 or Hulu Hellraiser, whatever you want to use as a.
AdamBecause I am getting a fuck of this, it's like stop just calling them the same fucking thing, you pricks.
AdamI know why you're doing it, I know why you're fucking doing it.
AdamDon't talk to me about algorithms, you pricks, but.
Adamyeah, the new Hellraiser from David Bruckner.
AdamWho I was I was trying to remember what else he'd done and one of his thing was The Ritual.
ChrisOh.
AdamWhich I you know, cracking fucking film that is.
ChrisQuite quite fairly different.
AdamYes, oh, definitely yeah.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut the and yeah, the I have to say I think it was as as probably the resident Hellraiser obsessive, yeah, it was fucking good.
ChrisYes.
AdamIt was a good I'm just going to put it in as finally we've had a decent fucking just story like film out of the the sort of extension of the Hellraiser franchise, which really bottomed out after number four and a lot of people fucking hate that.
LeeYeah.
AdamSo it's you know, that's that's not saying much.
AdamBut I think yeah, it was just a good you had interesting stuff in there like sort of that felt true to what we'd seen set up in those original three like in the original sort of trilogy of films.
Adamand some great adaptations of that, like the bit where someone gets taken in the back of a van and it's still that thing of the walls sliding open and the loud from another dimension and they just got pulled away into an extended length of van and then they disappeared and it's like that's just yeah, some sort of cracking bits like that.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisNow, does does that happen in the original?
AdamIn the origin in the original it's walls tend to move apart, and that's usually sort of but it's usually within buildings and stuff like that.
AdamSo it's sort of you know, it in a weird way, it's like oh, is it you try and sort of rationalize it of are these a wall that's adjacent in another dimension or.
Chris
AdamBut yeah, when once you've done it like that, I think it's like no, this is that's proper no escape.
AdamIt's just yeah.
ChrisAnd so in the later movies there's when they start to extend they get longer.
AdamThe the later movies I think the trouble is the later movies, the majority of which do suffer from a guy writes a horror film and then they say we can get this made if you put Pinhead in it and we'll call it Hellraiser and but this actually felt like you were trying to use it basically it started as a Hellraiser movie when someone was writing it.
AdamAnd I think that's the important thing.
AdamPretty much after bloodline they're not.
LeeNo.
LeeI think you're right, I think after that they were just a horror movie with Pinhead as the kind of protagonist, whereas this felt like it built on that mythology and took the actual essence of the story and expanded it and as you say it included the Leviathan from the second movie and stuff.
LeeAnd it sort of drew all of that in and gave it a sto because that was never quite explained what Leviathan was or what it had to do with the box, so it kind of put more background into that and yeah, it did, it felt like an extension of the original movie.
ChrisSo like taking some elements, some of the best elements from a few of the.
AdamYeah, and and just just treating it as sort of an original yeah, because I think basically what would happen is is that I think a lot of the films that they sort of made like the the sort of later sequels, they were probably films where it was like, you know, at the end of an anthology film where the guy who's been telling you the story turns out to be the devil, which is like half of the pretty much.
AdamI think it was kind of like that and then they just said yeah, but if you make the devil, if you if when he turns around, he hasn't got horns and a goatee, he's got pins all in his head, then we can make it as a Hellraiser movie and it felt kind of whereas this actually was like, oh no, this is exploring you know.
AdamHow this propagates itself different and like the fact they added the different elements of we've always known the box as the lament configuration, but then it turns out that that is its one form and it can be another form, which is a different configuration and so on and so forth.
AdamAnd yeah, I think they just did some interesting stuff in there.
AdamI think the new Pinhead was good, I don't you know, really good.
LeeYeah.
AdamAnd because you're not trying to act like Doug Bradley, you're doing something different with it.
AdamAnd it's sort of.
AdamYeah, and I liked I liked the bites, I think they've obviously they've moved away from the they've moved away a bit from the black leather thing.
AdamBut I mean, nowadays, so many people are pierced and tattooed and compared to 1987 when they made the film, it's you know, when they made the first film, it's not an unusual look anymore.
AdamSo they've sort of moved around that and sort of like said, you know, moving into other areas with the center bites that it's.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, and they had some interesting bites, which is always the lovely sort of Pokémon collect them all element of Hellraiser as well where you just like, well, I need to know the name of that man.
Adam
AdamUnless it's number three in which case it's like well the one with the pistol you said, yeah, it's called Pistol it.
LeeLaughter
LeeI think the only thing that did irk me slightly and it it is a plot point.
LeeBut it it definitely knowing it doesn't spoil the film, so the it it basically turns out that if you manage to use the box correctly, you can ask for something and you will be granted anything you ask for, and the guy who had it previously asked for sensation.
LeeIt's a bit fucking abstract.
LeeLike surely you ask for like sensation could be anything, you could just stub your toe and go, that was a sensation.
LeeYou went through all that and that was all you got, you know.
LeeOr someone comes up and tickles you, like it's a little you'd want something a bit more, you know, or more they'd give him a bottle of Shazle, it's a cleaning sensation, you know, it's it's quite ridiculous.
AdamLaughter
LeeWhat a shit wish.
AdamLaughter
AdamWell, not only that, but also it's like fucking hell, mate, if you've been studying all this, you ever heard of Faust?
AdamYou everything forzzle, you have to be fucking pretty specific with these fuckers.
AdamOr they will mess with you.
LeeYeah.
LeeProper wish master, like it's one hundred and one with his gin stuff, you know, no better but yeah.
AdamAlso also I have to say I mean, I I thought that Odessa as on as Riley like the main character was really good.
AdamBut right at the start, I thought she was Finn Mcssiles from Stranger Things.
ChrisYes.
LeeLaughter
ChrisYeah.
AdamCuz cuz again it was just like oh bloody hell this is everywhere.
ChrisThat is slightly disconcerting.
LeeOh, but she was outstanding actually.
LeeI was a bit because at first it was one of those I was like, I've got a horrible feeling this is going to be one of those characters who I'm supposed to be rooting for, but I am going to hate.
LeeBut actually.
AdamYeah.
LeeYeah, she she did kind of despite her many flaws, she actually was quite a good character and you were definitely on her side all the way through.
AdamSee, I think that's that's because that's the thing she wasn't made a likable character, but you liked her.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYou know.
AdamBut they they didn't do anything to sort of in you to the character, you know, she was quite sort of.
ChrisI suppose you had some sympathy for her.
ChrisShe was chaotic.
AdamOh, you you've got sympathy for her in a weird way, you've got more sympathy for the brother who's trying to you know, who yeah, spoiler alert, yeah, that's that's that for it.
ChrisYeah.
LeeYeah.
AdamAin't coming back.
AdamAnd yeah, it's just but no, I just thought it was like just.
AdamI mean, fuck me if this had been number five back in the day, this would have still been this would have still been shown at the cinema.
ChrisYeah.
AdamSo it would have been, yeah.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisSo now as the resident obsessive, what is it that makes you.
AdamYeah.
ChrisWatch each one.
ChrisIs it the hope that.
AdamHe's always the hope that they'll be better.
AdamIt's it's like it's like if you it's like it's like a band, you know, you're hoping that their next album's not going to be shit.
AdamAnd sometimes it is and you have to say, well, maybe, maybe we've come to a full stop here, guys.
Adam
AdamAnd certainly, I mean, there's there's there's a Hellraiser I've still not seen just because I haven't basically, I want to see it, but I want to see it when they show it on the horror channel or something, I'm not fucking.
ChrisYeah, you've done your duty for.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut everything else I've seen and I mean judgment, like was pretty good.
AdamBut again, I think that just suffered from a smaller budget and everything else like that.
AdamThat they couldn't they couldn't really give you a story because they couldn't afford cannon fodder.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhich is you know, you do need a few people to get.
AdamAnd actually the one thing I will say is, I mean, I like to say, I still think it's absolutely it's a really strong entry in Hellraiser, but it's interesting that the more you look at it, Clive Barker was probably right that Julia should have been the monster.
Chris
AdamBecause.
AdamAs it drifts further from that initial story, you know, as fascinating as I am by you know, the the mythology of the Cenobites and Leviathan and everything else like that, Hellraiser, the original Hellraiser works because you've actually got that really fucked up plot in it that has almost nothing to do with the Cenobites.
ChrisYeah.
ChrisOkay.
AdamAnd I think yeah, there's a it's a weird thing but the one thing that they've never sort of managed to replicate is just that sheer pervy kink of the first two films.
LeeYeah.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYou know.
AdamIt's just a bit sort of like,
ChrisSo is that what's what you kept watching them all.
AdamThe purp kit.
AdamI mean.
AdamIt's I don't know.
ChrisBut I'm going to say I'm going to say you watching them all is almost like mirroring the film itself, it's proper sadomasochism.
AdamOh, believe me, there are times when you sit there and you question your.
AdamWhat you're doing with your time.
ChrisYeah.
LeeI did yeah, I did the same, I said at one point, I was going to sit down and watch them all, did not.
LeeYeah, by like the sixth one, I was like, I can't face another two and I soldug on and I was like, that was a massive kick in the balls, like I don't even remember anything about them, I might as well have just not bothered.
AdamThere's there's one of the one of the later ones called Deder is kind of okay.
AdamBut what you know, in a weird way, I'm annoyed that it's a Hellraiser movie because I'd imagine it had been it was better before they said put Pinhead in it and make a Hellraiser movie.
Adamand similarly, yeah, Hellraiser six, I think that was the proper comic book guy.
AdamOh, I've wasted my life.
LeeLaughter
AdamI bought that on DVD for an exorbitant price.
AdamAnd.
LeeLaughter
AdamI was fucking robbed.
LeeAt least they're back on track now.
LeeSo.
AdamHopefully, yeah, and hopefully this leads to more as well.
AdamBecause I just think yeah, you know, they've got the right people involved.
LeeDefinitely.
LeeYeah, and it's a big enough it's a big enough universe that they've now created, yeah, they could still keep.
LeeI mean, this has been proof that they can still keep adding to the adding to the lore of it and making it interesting without having to, yeah, go on all these weird offshoots that make no sense or.
ChrisYeah.
AdamYeah.
ChrisSo that they have safely got their hooks back in you.
AdamYes.
AdamAnd I think and it's a nicely sort of they've made them nicely sort of wrong again, because that's the weirdest thing with all the sequences where it becomes like a moral thing.
AdamWhere it's like, oh, Pinhead's there to say, hey, it basically becomes it's a wonderful life, hey, look at all the bad things you've done in your life, and it's like Pinhead wouldn't give a fuck, he just wants to tie your dick to your face and fucking something up your bum.
AdamThat's.
AdamThat's what he.
AdamHe's all about, he doesn't care what moral basis, you just done a good segway into my next one.
ChrisYeah.
LeeHey.
AdamOh, good.
ChrisLaughter
LeeGo on then.
ChrisAll right.
LeeLaughter
LeeYou can't just leave it.
ChrisI thought I needed I needed authority to to set me off.
ChrisSo.
Chrisso so talking about the moral element.
ChrisI love a moral choice in a story.
Chrisespecially when it's a a racist immoral white dude getting his comeuppance by a Lovecraftian tentacle weird monster thing.
AdamYeah.
ChrisThere you go.
ChrisThat's basically, tell me that's the the aim of this story and I'll I'll be right there.
LeeLaughter
AdamI I think it pretty much is.
ChrisYeah.
Adam
AdamBut no.
AdamI I was.
ChrisGetting beat up a bit, halfway through as well.
AdamYeah.
AdamBut I have been.
AdamI've been very impressed.
AdamI mean.
AdamThe one thing I will say is I've seen a lot of people talking about it because obviously Guillermo del Toro introduces each segment.
ChrisYes.
AdamNow, any any other anthology series or whatever like that, they'd have said, cool, it's very much in the vein of Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone.
AdamAll I've heard people say is, oh, it's very much like Alfred Hitchcock presents and all I can think is, you're thinking a fat bloke has told you this.
AdamThat's what you're going with.
ChrisYeah.
LeeLaughter
Adam
AdamBut no.
AdamI I was.
AdamI've been very impressed.
AdamI mean.
AdamFirst I thought it was going to be the Bram Stoker.
AdamMummy story.
ChrisOh.
Adamand I'm glad it wasn't because I got a whole new story.
AdamThat I just really enjoyed.
AdamAnd
AdamYeah, no.
AdamI I thought that that one again I thought was really good.
ChrisYes.
LeeGood.
AdamI'll be honest, I think I prefer The Master's of Horror adaptation of Dreams of the Witch House.
LeeThat was good.
AdamBut.
AdamBecause I was sitting there thinking, you know, it's a bit of a funny one to do and then I was like, oh yeah, that was fucking 20 years ago or whatever it was.
AdamThat Master's of Horror came out.
ChrisYeah.
LeeSo.
LeeI only watched Master's of Horror last year, so yeah, it's still very fresh to me.
AdamYou know, it's not as weird.
AdamIt's not as weird to suddenly come across.
ChrisAs it is in your head.
AdamIn my head it was five years ago.
AdamWell, I only watched Master's of Horror last year, so yeah, it's still very fresh to me.
LeeBut I did think the the visuals of the witch, not to give anything away.
LeeIt was absolutely terrifying, like it's it's got to be one of the creepiest things I've seen on TV in a long time.
AdamYeah.
AdamAnd I think actually my favorite has the favorite of what I've seen so far.
AdamIt's probably been The Autopsy.
LeeOh.
LeeOkay.
LeeI thought it was more the viewing.
AdamI like the viewing.
AdamAnd it's Panos.
AdamCosmatos who did Mandy and beyond the black rainbow.
ChrisOh, yeah.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
LeeYeah.
AdamWhereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
ChrisYes.
AdamAnd.
Adam
AdamBut yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
AdamBut I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
